I'm pretty sure Dypso could blitz, and the fact he focuses on close quarters instead of ki blast kind of gives him an advantage or at least takes away one of 17's advantages. But i'm also sure we're bound to see this fight and that 17 will win, Frieza has his own agenda, Vegeta's fighting toppo, it's clear Gohan's taking a pretty low stand in this tournament and we're doubtful to see him fight any heavy hitters, and really that only leaves 17 as far as big players on their team... and i have very high doubts that anybody from another universe is going to be the one to deal with dyspo.
I'm pretty sure Dypso could blitz, and the fact he focuses on close quarters instead of ki blast kind of gives him an advantage or at least takes away one of 17's advantages. But i'm also sure we're bound to see this fight and that 17 will win, Frieza has his own agenda, Vegeta's fighting toppo, it's clear Gohan's taking a pretty low stand in this tournament and we're doubtful to see him fight any heavy hitters, and really that only leaves 17 as far as big players on their team... and i have very high doubts that anybody from another universe is going to be the one to deal with dyspo.
17...barrier plus infinite stam means he never slows. The barrier is the perfect counter for Dyspo. I donvt honestly see why 17 wasn't the logical match up for Dyspo rather than Gohan helping.
@paytience: 17 can't react lol he's just fodder he's gonna have too make move sooner or later
He can absolutely react to him. More importantly, his barrier is more than capable of both protecting and stopping Dyspo/trapping Dyspo. And this is all assuming without flight as well, which the OP has not restricted.
People tend to forget that the uni 7 fighters are also MASSIVELY nerf'd by the ToP ruleset and restrictions. Probably more so than any other team I can think of. Think about...not only can they not fly; they cannot kill...but they also are all experiencing the gravity of the planet they were born on. For 17, that is earth...but Vegeta, Goku, Piccolo, Frieza? They all come from high gravity worlds. It could be that there are other fighters experiencing similar from other universes, but we don't know for a fact if that's true. For all we know, Dyspo is experiencing lighter gravity than the rest of them.
Do we really think Dyspo could keep up with them under most circumstances? What happens if they fight on even grounds? Completely even grounds, where the rules aren't specifically designed to only allow a stand up brawl with ring out finishers?
Dyspo likely get's crushed...that's what.
Other fighters might struggle to keep up with Dyspo, but that is in a large part due to the fact that high speed movement requires for most of the fighters, massive amounts of energy. 17 not having to worry about that means he can basically move full speed for the entire fight and not worry about it draining him.
17 wins. In unrestricted fights, Universe 7 and in part Universe 6, would of likely destroyed their opponents. Uni 7 vs Uni 2 for example, wouldn't of even been competitive.
@thenewguysnm1: 17 is dam near featless in the tournament he's been fighting weak people and almost got eliminated twice he canspamm his barrier all he wants it won't help golden frieza>17 and dyspo was giving him a challage
if Golden Frieza needs Gohan's help to beat Dyspo and even then they only defeated him by sacrificing one of them, and only had a shot for a fraction of a second, then 17 honestly is not up to the task alone.
Dyspo tries to punch 17,only to discover the multiple barriers 17 would be spamming,17 could then attack him from a blind spot with consecutively unlimited attacks till he rings out. 17 could trap him in his barrier and curb him.
Dyspo blitzing 2 ssb level opponents at the same time and was only taken down by one of them sacrificing themself with an opportunity only available to them in a fraction of a second...
Dyspo could blitz him. Dyspo in his normal form was initially moving way too fast for Hit's time-skip, until Hit began adjusting his tactics.
Then Golden Frieza began moving faster than normal Dyspo, which prompted him to enter his Super Maximum Light Speed mode, and then he was too much for Frieza and Gohan to handle in a straight fight. Suffice to say, I'm not sure 17 can keep up. His best shot is to try some barrier shenanigans or another unconventional tactic to undermine Dyspo, or knock him off. He cannot keep up in a straight fight, not that he typically fights like that anyway.
I'm inclined to give 17 some leeway, since he did evade Hakaishin Toppo for a respectable amount of time.
Dyspo why is 17 so overrated. Dyspo would keep blitzing 17 till hes defeated. Only way Gohan and Freeza won was because of their strategy and 17 < Gohan+Freeza
17 isn't being overrated (okay maybe slightly). He showed the greatest battle smarts int the tournament and the greatest defenses (not counting UI). He also unquestionably hurt Jiren twice (one was weakened but still), something even initial UI Goku and SSB couldn't do.
It's not his damage output that makes 17 dangerous, it's his battle smarts and analytical capabilities. While he may not be near the top 5 for damage, he makes up for it in other ways.
The reason I don't see him winning this is because of the overwhelming speed of Dyspo. The only reason he was defeated was because he was ganged up on by two strong fighters with a plan to nerf his mobility. I think 17 is smart enough to come up with a plan to immobilize him too, I just don't know if he'd be able to pull it off.
@masterskywalker: neither dyspo or 17 are a cat lol, Beerus wasn't mentioned in this match either. Dyspo can never replicate the feats of 17 against Jiren. 17 stomps with ease always a step ahead.
Dyspo wins if its ToP rules. It took the combined effort of Golden Frieza and Mystic Gohan to eliminate Dyspo, and even then, Gohan had to eliminate himself in the process to do so.
In an all-out fight however, 17 should win. His limitless stamina, android shields, and superior battlefield intelligence should give him a huge edge over Dyspo's Maximum Light Speed Mode.
Dyspo why is 17 so overrated. Dyspo would keep blitzing 17 till hes defeated. Only way Gohan and Freeza won was because of their strategy and 17 < Gohan+Freeza
17 was able to react to GoD Toppo and Jiren.
Jiren > Dyspo.
Dyspo's power output is a joke, he can't even hurt 17 let alone his barrier
he could barly do anything to base toppo 17 loses badly
Other than block every attack with his barrier, break out of his grip with an injured arm, and match a full-powered all out attack from Toppo with a casual ki-blast?
Dyspo why is 17 so overrated. Dyspo would keep blitzing 17 till hes defeated. Only way Gohan and Freeza won was because of their strategy and 17 < Gohan+Freeza
17 was able to react to GoD Toppo and Jiren.
Jiren > Dyspo.
Dyspo's power output is a joke, he can't even hurt 17 let alone his barrier
Dyspo is way too fast in his full power speed, 17 cant hope to tag him.
17 would simply catch Dyspo with his barrier like a bug trap, or he could set out several barriers out in front of him like he did against Jiren. 17 is the perfect counter to Dyspo.
Dyspo why is 17 so overrated. Dyspo would keep blitzing 17 till hes defeated. Only way Gohan and Freeza won was because of their strategy and 17 < Gohan+Freeza
Dyspo has no way around 17's barrier(s).
17 wins by virtue of that and being a vastly smarter fighter, with the addition of infinite stamina.
@LeonardoTMNT: by the time 17 will think about putting his barriers he will get 11,000 hits
even if he will in time, dyspo is a master speedster able to change his route at the very end before 17 catch him.
evidence by the fact gohan needed frieza too close all the exits for dyspo to run as golden frieza who is by the way stronger and faster than 17 couldn't keep up and much less tag dyspo.
dyspo also out speed hit with his time skip and pre powering up non the less and again hit is much faster to a ridiculous point with his time skip than 17
17 stomping dyspo is beyond ridiculous and nonsensical
What it means is if 17 can do it Dyspo can since he is way faster.
He can hurt freeza. 17 and golden freeza are near each other in power. Gohan is not that far away. Dyspo in normal circumstances can beat them both and this is while he’s not serious. The whole time Dyspo was smiling and messing with them until the laser cage.
And Goku, Anilaza, and Toppo couldn't. When strained or layered, it could stall even Jiren's large energy attacks. It's not only a huge outlier, but even Krillin specifically says that 17 was kidding around right before they fought.
dyspo also out speed hit with his time skip and pre powering up non the less and again hit is much faster to a ridiculous point with his time skip than 17
So is Frieza faster than Hit? Because Frieza was even with Base Dyspo
@LeonardoTMNT: by the time 17 will think about putting his barriers he will get 11,000 hits
even if he will in time, dyspo is a master speedster able to change his route at the very end before 17 catch him.
evidence by the fact gohan needed frieza too close all the exits for dyspo to run as golden frieza who is by the way stronger and faster than 17 couldn't keep up and much less tag dyspo.
dyspo also out speed hit with his time skip and pre powering up non the less and again hit is much faster to a ridiculous point with his time skip than 17
17 stomping dyspo is beyond ridiculous and nonsensical
Frieza was able to block hits from Dyspo, if he can 17 shouldn't have a problem blocking as well. That would then lead to 17 catching Dyspo in his barrier before landing the final blow. Feat wise Dyspo doesn't have the striking power to put down 17, while 17 on the flip side could end Dyspo in a number of ways. Dyspo simply is not winning this fight.
What it means is if 17 can do it Dyspo can since he is way faster.
He can hurt freeza. 17 and golden freeza are near each other in power. Gohan is not that far away. Dyspo in normal circumstances can beat them both and this is while he’s not serious. The whole time Dyspo was smiling and messing with them until the laser cage.
Not in overall stats, but in this match-up, yes 17>Dyspo. You're missing the point unlike Gohan and Frieza, 17 has those versatile barriers of his, ones would ultimately lose Dyspo this fight. Unlike Jiren was able to break through 17's barriers due to speed and being massively more powerful than 17. This is not the case for Dyspo who in power is beneath 17. The only advantage he has is speed, an advantage which 17 has the tools to counter.
@LeonardoTMNT: one punch from dyspo put Hit on his knees
The second attack did this. Completely blitzed and down
Freeza getting knocked. Dyspo has the power to inflict damage
Freeza completely overwhelmed. Dyspo just has to keep that up till he wins. Hes much faster than 17 so theres no reason why he cant
Jiren goes easy on people, taking his hits isnt a feat. base goku and vegeta took hits from Jiren. Base freeza took hits from Toppo
The versatile barriers 17 has can be broken as shown above. The only ability I can think of that is troublesome to Dyspo is having the barriers explode but that almost killed 17.
@LeonardoTMNT: one punch from dyspo put Hit on his knees
The second attack did this. Completely blitzed and down
Freeza getting knocked. Dyspo has the power to inflict damage
Freeza completely overwhelmed. Dyspo just has to keep that up till he wins. Hes much faster than 17 so theres no reason why he cant
Jiren goes easy on people, taking his hits isnt a feat. base goku and vegeta took hits from Jiren. Base freeza took hits from Toppo
The versatile barriers 17 has can be broken as shown above. The only ability I can think of that is troublesome to Dyspo is having the barriers explode but that almost killed 17.
Frieza much faster than 17? They're on par if anything. 17 outpaced GoD Toppo and has shown to blitz opponents with absolute ease. 17 has some of the better speed feats in this arc.
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And let's be honest, as far as high tiers are concerned Hit is slow asf. Base Dyspo overwhelmed him with speed, and Hit had to spam time-skip just to land a single hit on a suppressed Jiren. Final form Frieza is slightly under Dyspo speed wise, and Golden Frieza would be over. 17 faced a more powered up Jiren and landed far more hit than Hit did against a suppressed Jiren. Point being, Hit is rather slow speed wise(minus time-skip), and his durability would be under 17 and Frieza as well.
As you can see in that last scan, Frieza is clearly able to react and block hits. Now if he had a barrier like 17 he could have activated it and either;
A. did what 17 did against the U2 opponet, glued him to the outside of it.
B. Trap both of them in the barrier like 17 did to him and Jiren(and with no where to run Dyspo would get blasted). Given that Gohan dominated Dyspo when his space was limited, he'd get KO'd if he took a serious head on blast from 17, or Frieza for that matter.
There's also the fact 17 would control the spacing of the match given that he can create several barriers out in front of himself, or around him as he did when facing Jiren who proceeded to blitz through his barriers. Dyspo isn't nearly as powerful so I doubt he could do the same. Not saying 17 is faster than Dyspo, he's clearly not. But his mastery of the barrier is something Dyspo has no answer for.
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