@richard96: I don’t think so.
Really, I never would have guessed that.
It says simply that after Mustafar Vader isn’t strong as the emperor, but more like dooku or maul, cause the injuries he got prevented him to surpass sidious.
Except it refers to the present tense when referring to Vader's parity with Maul and Dooku, and the past when referring to Vader being equal to Sidious which means it's not referring to potential but clearly power.
In fact, the statement after that corroborates the idea, saying “he wasn’t what he was supposed to become”. But this doesn’t mean that before Mustafar he was already as strong as the emperor.
You're right it doesn't but prior he was explicitly noted as as strong as the emperor. As Lucas has noted elsewhere Vader was supposed to become double Sidious's power and to surpass him, here he's noted to be equal to Sidious so he wasn't what he was supposed to become.
This only proves that even with the surprise affect Luke could not one shot Caedus.
Nobody ever argued that Luke can one shot him in sabers though, just stomp him, people think he can one shot Caedus with force power.
Purely headcanon. Luke won after a brutal fight.
The only reason why Luke won after a "brutal fight" is because Caedus used the environment to his advantage after being effortlessly outmatched by Luke.
He could have overestimated Saba, we don’t know. A POV statement is not definitive.
Given Caedus's history of arrogance he's more likely to overestimate himself than he is to overestimate Saba to be honest. And we don't dismiss statements on the account that they are from a characters POV. Also given you've used POV statements in the past to argue he gave Luke a brutal fight and can do so again wouldn't you be a bit of a hypocrite?
Cause Luke is more powerful.
Except it doesn't just constitute a gap but a large gap, the sort of gap that completely makes the idea Caedus can fight Luke on even footing ludicrous.
But that doesn’t mean he can one shot a prepared Jacen.
A tap from Luke rendered Caedus's TK utterly useless and he held him pinned to a chair with Caedus unable to move for several minutes without trying so yes he absolutely can lmfao. You are arguing something that just isn't supported by the source material at all lol.
Also that Luke used “a fraction of his power” is just conjecture.
Given Caedus makes explicit note that he "got an idea of just how much power Luke could muster" during Revelation it's the logical conclusion he used a fraction of his power. Consider, if Caedus has no idea of the kind of power Luke can muster when he's seen Luke hold him pinned to a chair without effort for minutes on end and render Caedus's TK useless with a tap then it's logical Luke didn't use anywhere close to his full potency given this is the first time Caedus has any idea of Luke's limits.
Sidious is just marginally more powerful than yoda, while the gap between Luke and Caedus is more ample.
So you're admitting that the gap between Caedus and Luke is huge, huge enough that Caedus is incapable of matching Luke in a lightsaber duel given the force and saber combat are interlinked which would mean you'd have to concede that:
A) Luke is jobbing as usual due to him suppressing his power like he does against almost everyone, which actually does fit with what we know (Luke rendering Caedus's TK useless with a tap, holding him pinned to a chair for several minutes without effort during Inferno, yet only during Revelation does Caedus get an idea of Luke's power, meaning that Luke is in full jobber mode against Caedus during the duel, using much greater amounts of his power but still not the full extent of it in the chair instance and then reveals his limits in Revelation).
B) The duel was heavily circumstantial and Luke was still holding back his full power, just not in full jobber mode like he was against Lumiya and the like, using the same amount of power he was in the chair instance and then in Revelation he exposes his limits.
Pick one though I personally think B favours Caedus more, blocking a blitz from and landing a hit on a Luke who is using far greater extents of his power than usual is considerably better than contending with jobber Skywalker. B is also more reflected in the source material.
By the sheer fact that when Luke faced Caedus and wanted to kill him, he couldn’t simply snap his fingers and one shot him.
Because he was bloodlusted he doesn't immediately TK him but goes in for the kill with a saber and Caedus manages to injure him via the environment after being stomped to the point where Luke can't simply snap his fingers and end the fight or because Luke wasn't using the full extent of his power despite being pissed off, just like how he failed to one shot Lumiya while bloodlusted. Again option 1 looks better for Caedus.
Ridiculous. I can’t find the words to express how this argument is asinine.
TBH your debating here has been more asinine than this argument.
Caedus avoided luke’s blow via TK cause he was enough fast and skilled to do that.
Pulling yourself to an anchor with TK has nothing to do with skill and speed, if Caedus hadn't done that he would have died.
Nothing else.
Oh really?
Also, unless you fight in a desert, according to you almost every fight seen in SW is not on neutral ground.
Strawman I never argued it not being on neutral ground in itself made the fight unfair but combatants in duelling rarely have to TK themselves to an anchor after nearly dying in 7 blows, nor do they have to then follow up by using the environment to badly injure there opponent before they start duelling them on even footing.
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