An Elder Dragon Faces-Off Against A Mutant King

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Sadurang Vs. Apocalypse:

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The Rules:

  • Morals Off/Bloodlust.
  • Neutral Dimension.
  • Random Encounter.
  • Standard Power-Levels.
  • Win by any means.
  • Sadurang has the Eye of Agamotto

LOCATION:

Somewhere in the multiverse of dimensions.
Somewhere in the multiverse of dimensions.

The Battle Mood:

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Apoc jobs and kills himself

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@cosmic_reign @godlyshinigami @lordofallhumans @koays: Thoughts?

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#4  Edited By cosmic_reign

Interesting battle!

Savage Avengers is a super good story right now(actually all the way back from book 1) IMO

Sadurang is impressive, but his hax seems to be countered by brute strength. Juggs staggered him in dragon form with a blow that was no greater than Apocs headbutt on Thor(per narration). And a duplicate of Tony in Mark I armor has straight up KO'd him...

Plz correct me if context is missing!?

I'll debate for Apocalypse

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@cosmic_reign: It was said that Juggs hit him harder than Thor and while there's not much more to it, Sadurang only got a bloody nose as result. He said himself that Juggs was only able to hurt him because had the magic of Cyttorak.

As for the Iron Man instance, Sadurang didn't have the EoA and we could label simply as a low-showing.

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#7  Edited By cosmic_reign

@princesscadenza:

Yes, harder than Thors Hammer blow, which apparently had church bells ringing for miles around. Apocs headbutt sent shockwaves for hundreds of miles around. Also, Juggernauts hit resulted in Sadurang converting back to human form, which I'm assuming is a lesser form. Plz advise?

Seems like Sadurang has weaknesses to powerful magic and upper physicals!

Low-showings can plague any character... but Sadurang has very limited appearances from what I know..??..

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@cosmic_reign: Destructive capacity doesn't equal attack potency. There are dozens of instances where characters attack with power to break planets, yet it doesn't even destroy the area around them like buildings. Besides, Sadurang explicitly said that was because of Cyttorak's magic that Juggernaut was only able to hurt him, not necessarily because had the strength to do it. Also, there's nothing that alluded Sadurang reverted to human form thanks to the attack, especially because later fought against the group in the dragon form and tanked hits from Juggs without much issue. He simply could've choose to fight them in that form and based on what's shown next(Sadurang in his human form, while the others are defeated on the ground), that's more than likely what happened.

As for his low-showings, I believe current feats take precedence in this case. Even if didn't, Sadurang didn't have the EoA when fought against Tony either way.

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#9  Edited By cosmic_reign

@princesscadenza:

Fair. But Sadurang literally got hit as a dragon, then next shown in human form on his knees! Brute strength/force still had some effect on him even with EoA.

All showing should be taken into account when debating! Apocalypse gets dinged in every thread for his supposed "low-showings"

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@cosmic_reign: As I said, it could've been him willingly reverting to that form to fight against them. They later showed everyone on the ground, while Sadurang was in his human-self. Maybe Sadurang can only cast magic as a human, but the fact remains that he chose to fight the Savage Avengers like a human and seemingly defeated them for a time.

I mean, Sadurang only has six appearances as far as I know. Three in the Iron Man comics and three in the Savage Avengers book. That's why I said the latest showings should take precedence here, it's literally a 50/50 case. As for Apocalypse, I think a balance should be found between his low showings and good ones as well.

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#11  Edited By cosmic_reign

@princesscadenza:

Yeah, could've been... Also could've been bc the physical force staggered him.

50/50 is a good balance!

Apocalypse has defeated an Elder god and other magical beings(Morgan le Fey, cults etc)... and muscled the Mutant Nation into the throne room of Marvels Omniversal Citadel. Yet he's called fodder bc he chose to duck when Namor tossed a table... Lol.

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@cosmic_reign: Again, Sadurang has specifically attributed the damage to the magical aspect of Cyttorak on Cain. Not exclusively to physical damage from the attack.

Those are some good feats, though. Not going to deny it.

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Sadurang, easily. Apocalypse jobs WAY too much for me to take him seriously anymore.

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@professorrespect said:

Sadurang, easily. Apocalypse jobs WAY too much for me to take him seriously anymore.

Hmmmmm.

@cosmic_reign: Thoughts?

Me and cosmic have discussed before on the topic. He's had a tendency to ignore valuable context in the past so I tend not to take his information literally, if you know what I mean.

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@professorrespect said:

@princesscadenza said:

@professorrespect said:

Sadurang, easily. Apocalypse jobs WAY too much for me to take him seriously anymore.

Hmmmmm.

@cosmic_reign: Thoughts?

Me and cosmic have discussed before on the topic. He's had a tendency to ignore valuable context in the past so I tend not to take his information literally, if you know what I mean.

Well, I had my fair share of debates with him in the past about other topics, but I don't know enough about Apocalypse to do that here. Any takes are more than welcome.

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@professorrespect:

We can go toe 2 toe on context with Apocs feats! But leave your personal disdain for the character behind...

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@princesscadenza:

I know its your thread, but I'd much rather have u stay in this discussion!

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#20  Edited By ProfessorRespect  Online
@princesscadenza said:

@cosmic_reign said:

@professorrespect:

We can go toe 2 toe on context with Apocs feats! But leave your personal disdain for the character behind...

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It's remarkable how quickly people go to fallacies in the face of historical evidence. Probably half the reason why I don't bother with them, lol

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#21  Edited By cosmic_reign

@professorrespect:

As expected... 😐

Yeah you don't bother with people that can teach you things. Lol. Feel free to revisit any of our past discussions

I'll agree to disagree with you from the jump then!

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@cosmic_reign said:

@princesscadenza:

I know its your thread, but I'd much rather have u stay in this discussion!

Well, as you said, it's my thread after all.

I need to be as impartial as possible.

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Bumpy.