All Might vs Meruem vs Genos vs Ken Kaneki

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#1  Edited By Chronicplane

All Might (Character Theme)

The Symbol of Peace
The Symbol of Peace

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Meruem (Character Theme)

The Chimera Ant-King
The Chimera Ant-King

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Genos (Character Theme)

The Demon Cyborg
The Demon Cyborg

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Ken Kaneki (Character Theme)

The One-Eyed King
The One-Eyed King

Stipulations

  • No Prep
  • Random Encounter
  • Win is by Death/KO/Incapacitation
  • No BFR
  • Low-Midder boi versions
    • Prime All Might
    • Post-Rose Meruem
    • Post-G4 Genos
    • EoS Kaneki
  • In-Character but are serious and determined to win
  • Composite Manga & Anime versions

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Fight Takes Place Here:

  • All opponents start in diagonally opposite of each other in the city
  • Everyone is visible
  • Starting distance is 100 feet apart
  • Abandoned
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Meruem > Kaneki > Genos > All Might

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Meruem > Kaneki > Genos > All Might

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Genos>>>All Might>Meruem>>>Kaneki

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@oreoghoul said:

Meruem > Kaneki > Genos > All Might

Am I missing something? Current Genos has attacks that are arguably beyond continental, an dhow is Kaneki above even BOS Genos or All Might

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#8  Edited By Belando

@alextheboss: It's a bit weirdly phrased by op, but;

  • Prime All Might
  • Post-Rose Meruem
  • Post-G4 Genos
  • EoS Kaneki

Seems to be the versions used.

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@alextheboss: it’s not current Genos. Current Genos solos all the verses combined of course

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@oreoghoul: Why do you think Allmight is last then? According to one of death battles calc, and if the One's Justice movie is canon, as it supposedly is, Allmight in his prime should be island level. Even if he wasn't, why would he or Genos be behind Kaneki? I don't remember him having any feats on their levels.

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Meruem>All Might>Genos>Kaneki

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Meruem counters All Might but he also gets countered by Genos who can disintegrate beezlebub.

I think it's a tossup between Meruem and Genos. Meruem is faster and has teleportation while Genos has AoE and can counter beezlebub.

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Genos should win here since we have no idea what Prime All Might is capable of and can't argue off unknown variables

Meruem > Kaneki > Genos > All Might

@oreoghoul said:

Meruem > Kaneki > Genos > All Might

@d1111212 said:

Meruem>All Might>Genos>Kaneki

Meruem counters All Might but he also gets countered by Genos who can disintegrate beezlebub.

I think it's a tossup between Meruem and Genos. Meruem is faster and has teleportation while Genos has AoE and can counter beezlebub.

Meruem is by far and away the weakest and slowest here, even Post Rose Meruem isn't even mach 10

Anyone here can blitz and kill Meruem via one shot

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We know Meruem can't survive a small nuclear bomb, anyone mountain level or higher can one shot him

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Genos is just horribly out of everyone's league here.

All Might>Meruem>Kaneki.

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#19  Edited By Kinginrags

It's either All Might or Meruem.

Here's how I see it: (This is not based on raw strength but on them overall as combatants, factoring in hax, speed intelligence, in addition to strength for these versions)

Prime All Might > Post-Rose Meruem ≈ Post-G4 Genos > Eos Kaneki

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#20  Edited By defiant_will

@ganker10: So you just log onto CV and choose stupidity, huh? Where do I begin. How about with this:

We know Meruem can't survive a small nuclear bomb, anyone mountain level or higher can one shot him

Ignoring the fact that Meruem didn't even die from this bomb and survived long enough for Youpi and Pouf to travel all the way to his location with time to spare... this is irrelevant. I'm going to make the generous assumption that you can read:

Post Rose Meruem

The version of Meruem that "can't survive a nuclear bomb" was pre Rose Meruem. As in, before he was amped by the collective Nen of two Royal Guard. I don't even know why I assumed you could read because the manga literally confirms Meruem got massively stronger:

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So this is an idiotic take all around. And funnily enough, Meruem has city level feats in Post Rose to supplement this statement:

Hunter X Hunter: Chapter 304

Meruem vaporized a massive mountainous structure, leaving a large mass of steam and smoke in its wake. We have a reference point for its size, which can be estimated by the degree to which it dwarfed the height of Meruem's blast, which in turn dwarfed the APR construct. This feat is calced at small city level using pulverization(in case you didn't know, that is a lowballed estimate and is far inferior to vaporization) and straight up city level, and consistently at that. Quite solid stuff and this is a casual Rage Blast from Meruem. Since anime feats are allowed, I'd like to note this is consistent with Adult Gon's Jajanken being in the small city level to city level range. To talk about the feat in more detail:

Here is the full AoE

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Let's start with initial frame of the AoE expansion. Which puts the positioning into perspective. You have to remember that Gon and Pitou were deep within a forest. On an incline in fact. Keep that in mind because this shot makes the final shot far more impressive if we look at how much the blast expanded. I'd like to note that the perspective shot we are given is such that individual trees can not be made out.

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Next, we see a violent and sudden expansion of the Jajanken attack:

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Stop.

Compare the first frame I showed to this one. They are shot from the same perspective, but the second frame shows the AoE covering a vast expanse of forest. As I said, the trees can not even be individually made out. And we aren't done yet. We then see that very blast expand all the way to the camera:

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So remember the first frame? Remember that vast expanse of forest? The AoE covers all of that. So then, the camera pans out to show the full scale. As for potency, the weakest attack in Kid Gon's Arsenal (Paper) could fragment solid rock relative to its own size. If you apply that AoE-potency ratio here, that means this attack could fragment solid rock of this size.

For more consistency, Youpi can no sell being at the epicenter of his own rage blast. The same rage blast that is easily large town to small city level due to the sheer area it vaporizes.

That's consistent with Leol's Hatsu and raw power:

To contextualize, Leol's Hatsu allows him to literally summon water from the ocean. It explicitly isn't Nen conjured, he states it comes from the ocean, and the plethora of allusions to oceanic processes (ie tidal waves, tsunamis, etc.) is the icing on the cake. So it is clearly coming from a body of water. This would bare minimum be kilometers on kilometers away given the topography of the terrain. To support this, we get several horizon shots of the area without a body of water to be seen:

Which makes senses as this is an environment with a barren mountainous landscape that literally expands for hundreds of miles; makes sense it isn't exactly sitting next to a body of water. Now, the sheer quantity of water summoned by Leol is sufficient to fill an underground labyrinth and Church.

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Mind you a 10X20 wave is 410 tons. And as for the timeframe this distance was crossed, Leol activates the Hatsu in one page and it arrives the next:

To summarize, we are talking hundreds of thousands of tons of water crossing numerous miles in an instant, all by way of Leol's raw power.

That feat is easily town level, with Meruem scaling hilariously above it considering he is a top tier of the verse with unfathomable aura quantity. He also has the aura of Youpi, whose aura was thought to be inexhaustible. And mind you, aura fuels Nen attacks; it is what gives them strength. It took a prodigy like Gon to sacrifice Nen altogether to be comparable to pre rose Meruem, let alone Post Rose. There are so many other feats I can show too. Uvogin's Big Bang Impact (multi city block level and fodder to Meruem), Bonolenov's Jupiter (multi city block level and fodder to Meruem), Killua tanking the Beetle's explosion (multi city block level and fodder to Meruem), Gon's Jajanken punching a Chimera Ant to NGL (small town level and fodder to Meruem); I mean the list goes on. You clearly do not know anything about this series, so stop pretending like you do.

And as for the sub Mach 10 bullshit:

Low-Mid Tiers

To set a baseline, Killua can throw tags with such velocity that they clear past visibility distance in mere moments, and Hanzo is fast enough to intercept one of these tags from ground zero.

Hunter X Hunter: Chapter 29

To cover such distance that the tag disappears from sight altogether (in a completely clear sky no less) would necessitate the tag travelling multiple kilometers, which comes out to about high supersonic. Which would apply to Hanzo by proxy given he intercepted it, and would make Hanzo significantly faster given he intercepted it despite the tags having a headstart. In terms of how Hanzo compares to Killua, Killua modestly admitted that Hanzo is stronger than his "normal mode (more on that later)." However, even then, the disparity in speed is hardly pronounced given Killua's claim that he could have easily dodged Hanzo's strike. An assertion only buttressed by Killua's own speed feats. For a quick refresher, FTE feats are quantified by taking the timeframe of 13 milliseconds (the maximum perception speed of a human), and then taking the distance a character crosses at FTE within that timeframe to find a speed. If you consider that sound can only cross a measly 4.5 meters within that timeframe, you should appreciate Killua casually clearing far larger distance within this timeframe (FTE). In that regard, the Hunter Exam has an embarrassment of riches as far as FTE feats are concerned, so I'm going to cut to the chase and cite the feat that seals the deal for speed of this level:

Hunter X Hunter: Episode 39

Kurapika, fresh out of the Hunter Exam, sees a supersonic projectile in slow motion as it approaches him and and times it mere inches away from his face. If if was ever questioned, Killua would scale massively above Kurapika in speed, even before acquiring Nen. Even Gon could perceive Gotoh's coins when both of his eyes were opened, which Kurapika explicitly could not do prior. And as I've shown before, Gon is still blitz material for Hanzo, with an attack Killua could easily react to no less. With this scaling in mind, it should be evident that even BoS Killua breaching into straight up hypersonic territory in terms of speed.

To further elaborate on Killua's speed tier, I am going to flash forward to Greed Island. Within this interval of time, Killua would acquire Nen, which would further boost his physical capabilities. On Greed Island, Bisky's training massively improved Killua and Gon's physical capabilities, namely through their sparring with Binolt. At first, it took Gon and Killua teaming up just to take down an exhausted and fatigued Binolt. But eventually, they get faster, to the point they can each take down a rested Binolt in a 1v1. To really hammer this home, prior to meeting Bisky, Gon and Killua were getting trolled by Hyperpuff Balls. They were unable to react to or track them, getting blitzed by them, and only moved a few feet as the balls bounced around the entire battlefield. Needless to say, the speed disparity was massive. However, after the Binolt training, Gon reacts to, tracks, and intercepts a Hyperpuff Ball in movement (Gon is Killua's equal, mind you). A night and day difference from before. With consideration with how fast even BoS Killua was, and factoring in the full extent of his speed increase, it is more than fair to put Killua at high hypersonic by the arc's end. Which is consistent with a feat from Greed Island Arc Gon:

Hunter X Hunter: Chapter 180
Hunter X Hunter: Chapter 180

Above, we see Gon's kick move faster than Genthru's explosion. As Genthru's explosion is visibly in the middle of expansion, we see Gon's kick tag Genthru right in the chin. Gon's kick would naturally have to move a far larger distance than Genthru's explosions in this instance, covering Genthru's height. Which is consistent with the anime depiction as well. We also know that Gon would have had to kick in the time interval these explosions were detonated, as Gon was exploiting Genthru's defenseless head area because of the aura he expends using his Hatsu explosions. Given that Genthru is only vulnerable when he uses his explosions, and that we don't see Gon move until after Genthru activates Little Flower, it is more than reasonable to assume Gon attacked within this timeframe, which fits in line with the pacing and structure of the scene. Explosions speeds are in the hypersonic range (and Genthu's should likely be even faster than that). This feat would also be high hypersonic.

By the Chimera Ant Arc, Killua keeps getting faster and faster. The beginning stages of the arc sees Killua and Gon getting manhandled by a Nenless Rammot in CQC, forcing them both to use Hatsu. As events pass, Killua is able to remove Illumi's needle. And when faced against a now Nen-amped Rammot-

Hunter X Hunter: Chapter 219
Hunter X Hunter: Chapter 219

-the tables had completely turned. With this staggering speed increase comes even more impressive feats, which can be observed during Killua's fight with Ikalgo. Ikalgo's Flea Bullets can cross absolutely MASSIVE distances in a single second. To really crunch the numbers here, I'd refer to this specific shot:

Hunter X Hunter: Episode 100
Hunter X Hunter: Episode 100

The smoke in the screenshot above came from Centipede's explosion attack just prior, and reveals Killua's rough positioning. Note that this smoke mass lies on the horizon from this view. The view in question is just below Ikalgo's eye level, which is still a significant viewer height considering that Ikalgo is on top of a massive rock structure, visually 20 meters or so. Plugging in a twenty meter viewer height (which is more than fair; this is 20 meters high) would make the smoke cloud roughly 16 km away. Since Killua was not at that exact spot, to be conservative, I'll assume a 14 km distance away from Killua himself (which is unfairly generous). Which yields Mach 31 speeds for the bullet. These numbers are not meant to be rigid values, but even tinkering with lower viewer heights (and thus lower horizon distances) and then subtracting KMs away to (very) generously account for Killua's positioning still yields a bare minimum of Mach 20+ (I plugged in a 12 meter height as the lowest end, and that's just absurdly low). And logically speaking, a projectile would have to be that fast to clear massive swaths of forest land in an instant.

Now, Killua was tagged at first because he was caught by surprise, and didn't know where he was being tagged from or who was attacking him. So, Killua focused and extended his aura to 57 centimeters so, as soon as the bullet went into that area, he would know where it was coming from. As a result, Killua was able to react to and dodge the flea bullet from 57 cm away, in what the manga describes as "superhuman reflexes and pure speed". Dodging projectiles generously placed shy of Mach 30 from 57 meters away is nonsensically impressive. But, it should really come as no surprise. After all, a feat of this caliber is merely the natural evolution and power progression of the hypersonic speeds Killua was clocking in at even in HxH's infancy.

Hisoka also boasts hypersonic feats. He was able to perceive and react to a point blank explosion and move a dozen or so feat away before he can could get tagged:

Hunter X Hunter: Chapter 351
Hunter X Hunter: Chapter 351

He can also move insanely FTE to Gotoh who can shoot down each and everyone of his bullet speed coins coming at him nigh omnidirectionally.

Upper Tiers

For starters, let's talk about Killua traveling over to Pitou and Gon, which is actually more impressive than one might think. For a timeframe, Killua departed on his run just before Gon transformed into his Adult form and arrived near the fight's climax. The "fight" in question hardly being that long in the first place, with Adult Gon dodging an attack from Pitou within the castle, dodging a surprise attack outside, kicking her, punching her away and then pounding on her. Given the short series of events combined with the speed of the combatants involved, it is fair to give a timeframe of a minute or so (which is generous in all honesty). As far as the distance, the Chimera Ant Palace where Killua is situated is located on the eastern extreme of the Mitene Union. Gon and Pitou, on the other hand, went to Kite's body. Kite was brought to Rokario (where Gon and Killua met Knuckle, Shoot, and Palm) and remained there during the Chimera Ant Invasion. As such, the distance Godspeed Killua crossed was this:

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In order to find the distance Killua crossed here, we can refer to the HxH World Map. We see that the Mitene Union is of similar suze to Japan (Jappon):

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Japan itself extends just over 3000 kilometers northeast to southwest. And it makes since for the Mitene Union to be relative in size, not only because it is visually the same as Japan, but also because of how it visually compares to continents. Accounting for the distance Killua covered within the Mitene Union (to stay conservative and keep things simple let's say 2/3) along with a timeframe of 60 seconds, this yields a speed of about Mach 97. As I must preface with all calcs, if you tinker with these general range of values, the results are going to be roughly the same (within the Mach 90 tier). It would take completely deviating from a variable to a significant extent (ie 1k km instead of 3k or 10 minutes instead of 1) in order for the speed to radically shift. These are hardly meant to be rigid values, just an estimated guess to give us a rough idea of how fast this is. This basically equates to long distance running speed that would be inferior to his burst movement speed. So for his long distance travel speed to be a hair's breath away from MHS territory is a nice baseline.

Speed of this level is consistent with Godspeed Killua moving at the same speed as Post Mortem Pitou. As for why that is impressive, a Pitou that was fresh out of the womb accomplished a high hypersonic feat against Kite:

Hunter X Hunter: Chapter 198
Hunter X Hunter: Chapter 198

For context, the Chimera Ant Nest that Pitou leaped from boasts absolutely colossal sizes, easily thousands of meters high. Using angular sizing, and factoring in the height of this structure, we get a distance of roughly 25 kilometers. And in all honesty, that fits the scene like a glove (can show calcs if needed). We can see lakes running within that distance, and the sheer breadth of the topography coincides with a 25 kilometer area. As far as timeframe, goes, many calcs use human reaction time since Kite was unable to react. However, to be conservative, I'll stick with one second, which makes this feat Mach 72. This also falls short of MHS in isolation, but remember that in high stress situations, Pitou can go faster. Pitou's speed comes from contracting her muscles and leaping off. During the Palace Invasion, Pitou's leg muscles swelled up to twice the size they were against Kite, implying she got proportionately faster:

Hunter X Hunter: Chapter 267

And on top of that, Pitou can amp her physicals even beyond that with Terpischora, which lets her surpass her physical limitations. And the cherry on the cake is that Pitou would be further amped by Post Mortem Nen:

Hunter X Hunter: Chapter 307

Those are three tiers of speed boosts between Post Mortem Pitou and base Pitou (one of which is implied to be two times increase), and even then, base Pitou pretty casually accomplished this Mach 72 feat. It is hard to envision Godspeed Killua matching her speed not being up to par with CS2 Sasuke's speed. Which also goes well with Pouf admitting that Godspeed Killua would be hard for him to catch, even at full power. Mind you, Pouf can move at such high speeds that Zeno's Dragon Shards appear to be at a nigh stand still:

Hunter X Hunter: Episode 112
Hunter X Hunter: Episode 112

The speed of these shards are high supersonic to low hypersonic. In the scenes we see with Pouf and the shards in frame, he clears a distance of at least 50 feet in the time span that these shards cover one or two feet. This checks out to just under Mach 120 for a full power Pouf, and Godspeed Killua would be faster significantly given Pouf admitted Killua would be very hard to catch. As for how Adult Gon compares, he has massively outsped Pitou, moving across an entire mansion before Pitou's lunge can travel a few feet.

Post Rose Meruem boasts impressive speed feats of his own

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Meruem literally statues Knuckle running at full speed from kilometers away. A couple of things to consider. First, distance. Meruem was in the middle of the palace, Knuckle was outside of the palace, running among the hypnotized crowd:

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The palace, for reference is massive. Below, you can see how it compares to an explicitly 5KM long tunnel.

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The length of the palace is about 1/5 of the tunnel, the width 1/3. The palace should easily be several KMs and Meruem effortlessly statued Knuckle across that massive distance. Which brings us to Knuckle's own speed. Knuckle was heavily implied to be moving at his top sprinting speed (consistent with visuals):

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Let's take the low end and compare this to Gon and Killua. Travel speed wise, they make horses look slow, abandoning them in favor of getting to their destination by foot. If we make the ever so gracious assumption that Knuckle was moving at horse speed (55mph), he would be moving about 24 meters per second. With Meruem, he doesn't even cross a meter, but let's say he does, for the sake of argument. Well, given a distance of 1KM, for Meruem to cross that distance before Knuckle could even cross a meter, he would have to be moving at Mach 60+.

That is insanely conservative. When I disregard all of the scaling Meruem has, above Killua, Adult Gon, and the Royal Guard, and lowball his own feat, making Knuckle horse speed and a generous distance crossed... he is still hilariously above even Mach 10.

You are clearly ignorant. And there are so many other feats I can name too.

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In conclusion, Post Rose Meruem would clearly die to a nuke because, after all, an infinitely weaker version of himself before he got amped by two Royal Guard... nearly died to a nuke. And he is obviously sub Mach 10 even though characters Meruem would statue can are already in the hypersonic range, and even Nen less characters can see supersonic projectiles in slow motion. Along with straight up MHS and high double digit mach feats Meruem scales to. What idiocy lmao

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I can talk about Rose bomb more if you want as well since I know that will be your next bit of lowball material

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Another important thing that gets glanced over is the fact that Meruem can sense the thoughts and emotions of those who come into contact with his nen. Additionally, since he absorbed Pouf, he has access to both Beelzebub and Pouf's hypnosis scales, which are only ineffective against opponents who can hold their breaths for exceptionally long periods of time. (Like Morel) It can also be argued that since Pouf's hypnosis scales are a nen ability, his opponents in this matchup wouldn't be able to see it coming without passive Gyo, but the OP doesn't mention it.

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#24  Edited By Ganker10

@defiant_will: Guess I need to put you in your place little simp

Ignoring the fact that Meruem didn't even die from this bomb and survived long enough for Youpi and Pouf to travel all the way to his location with time to spare... this is irrelevant. I'm going to make the generous assumption that you can read:

This is one of the dumbest excuses I keep hearing, this is very relevant. If Meruem would of died if Youpi and Pouf didn't save him, then no he cannot survive a small nuclear level explosion. At the end of the day, Meruem still ended up being a burnt turd with no limbs and needed his simps to save him.

In the context of a fight, if someone hits Meruem with a mountain level attack, best case scenario you have is that Meruem survives for the short term, but is still so fucked up that he can't move or continue to fight, either way he loses.

The version of Meruem that "can't survive a nuclear bomb" was pre Rose Meruem. As in, before he was amped by the collective Nen of two Royal Guard. I don't even know why I assumed you could read because the manga literally confirms Meruem got massively stronger:

Well aware but we don't know how much more durable Meruem became Post Rose, if you want to stack Pouf and Youpi on top of Meruem then it still doesn't help because Pouf and Youpi themselves aren't very impressive outside of HxH

This feat is calced at small city level using pulverization(in case you didn't know, that is a lowballed estimate and is far inferior to vaporization) and straight up city level, and consistently at that.

First off that's a plateau not a mountain, second Meruem didn't even destroy the entire plateau, third destroying roughly 60% of a plateau would put Meruem at best in the town level

More importantly this was with Youpi's rage blast, which Meruem cannot spam. Every other character here aside Meruem is capable of spamming city+ level attacks where Meruem has to charge up for one town level attack

I'd like to note this is consistent with Adult Gon's Jajanken being in the small city level to city level range.

Yeah no

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Scaling off of the trees this would be below town level, multiple city block level at the very best

Youpi can no sell being at the epicenter of his own rage blast. The same rage blast that is easily large town to small city level due to the sheer area it vaporizes.

Your link isn't working, I assume you're referring to that crater in the ground when he attacked Knuckle? Yeah no...once again at the very best that may be city block level

You keep throwing out terms like city level, small city level but every time you show a destruction feat it's almost always city block to multi city block level lmao

You clearly do not know anything about this series, so stop pretending like you do.

Apparently I know more about the series than you do since you can't seem to do anything except wank and simp and throw out "muh city level" bullshit when none of the feats you've shown come anywhere near that lmao

Low-Mid Tiers

There isn't a single impressive feat here that comes close to mach 10, in fact most of these can't even be quantified and are mental gymnastics and wank, except for 2 which I will address

Ikalgo's Flea Bullets can cross absolutely MASSIVE distances in a single second.

No actually it can't....

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Between 2:04 and 2:05 Ikalgo's shot maybe traverses a few hundred feet at the very most ei below mach 1. Just because the scene cuts to killua doesn't mean that the scene occurred 1 second later.

We know the flea isn't moving very fast because we can see above in actual real time how far the bullet travels in 1 second, it isn't mach 30, calling it mach 5 would be generous

Hisoka also boasts hypersonic feats. He was able to perceive and react to a point blank explosion and move a dozen or so feat away before he can could get tagged:

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Dodged before the explosion set off, Chrollo even said that the the refs arm and back touched for an instant which set off the explosion after Hisoka jumped out of the way

He can also move insanely FTE to Gotoh who can shoot down each and everyone of his bullet speed coins coming at him nigh omnidirectionally.

This is a flat out lie

Gotoh can fire off his coins like bullets....when he shot those bullets down they were being flung at him by Hisoka's bungie gum...you'd have to prove that when Hisoka fired them back at Gotoh with his bungie gum that they were moving at bullet speeds

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Hisoka was only moving fast because he planted his bungie gum and it was basically dragging him through the trees fast enough to where Gotoh couldn't react to him

You flat out lied LMAO

Kite was brought to Rokario (where Gon and Killua met Knuckle, Shoot, and Palm) and remained there during the Chimera Ant Invasion. As such, the distance Godspeed Killua crossed was this:

Wrong again

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Kites body was in the hideout, the hideout was in Peijin which is capital of Republic of East Gorteau

In other words you lied...again...also Killua isn't even mach 1

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It was stated that Killua's Speed of Lightning at max speed would take 10 minutes to cross 40 kilometers, which is 150 miles per hour or 1/5 mach 1 speed

For context, the Chimera Ant Nest that Pitou leaped from boasts absolutely colossal sizes, easily thousands of meters high

There is no time frame in the manga, so we have to use the anime

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Between 0:30 and 0:32 Pitou from the nest still hasn't reached the camera, even if it's a mile between the nest and the camera (and that's being very generous) this would put Pitou at mach 2.4 at the very high end

Also

According to Chapter 268 of the Manga, there was basically a clock that was running during the entire extermination squad vs the Royal Guard and Meruem fight. It shows that Pitou arrived to where Meruem and Komugi were after Komugi was hit with the Dragon Dive

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It pretty much implies that Pitou arrived at 4:87

So we have an arrival time...the question is when did Pitou launch herself and leap to The King and Komugi?

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During the fight with Youpi, Youpi smashed the Staircase at 3:28 seconds....at this point it appears that Zeno's Dragon Dive had stopped as we don't see any more shards falling.

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When Pitou uses En and senses Netero and Zeno approaching Meruem, this seems to be when Pitou decided to leap. At this point Komugi hasn't been hit so we know its likely before the 03:28 when Youpi smashed the stair case

Conclusion: Pitou seems to have lept before 03:28 and arrives at 04:87

Conclusion: 1.59 Seconds to leap 500 meters. Slightly under mach 1

From the Palace invasion it takes Pitou 1.59 seconds to cross 500 meters, slightly under mach 1

The speed of these shards are high supersonic to low hypersonic

Um no they aren't lmao you're flat out making shit up at this point

I even took a look at the calc you linked

Also consistent with the Dragon transporting Meruem and Netero to the nuclear test site in a matter of minutes, with the distance being hundreds of hundreds of kilometers between the two

Where are you getting this crap from? You just keep saying things like "it happened in minutes" based on what? What evidence do you have? What time frame? You flat out make shit up

The palace should easily be several KMs and

No it isn't lol

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The palace from back to front is roughly 1/8 the size of the tunnel which would be .6 kilometers, since Meruem was in the center of the palace and Knuckle was outside the front gate, we'd have to further reduce that in 1/2 which would be .3 or roughly 1/3rd a kilometer between Meruem and Knuckle

According to your own calcs (which have mostly been inaccurate but that's irrelevant) if Meruem moving 1 kilometer to statue Knuckle would put him at the mach 60 range than 1/3 a kilometer would put him in the mach 20 range

Congratulations, after everything you've posted you've managed to show that a post rose Meruem can hit mach 20....wooooow you sure showed me 😂

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What idiocy. I’ll debunk all of this soon. It’s funny that you went from “oh yeah, HxH is sub Mach 10” to now conceding that he is... above Mach 10. There is a glimpse of hope at least

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>even Post Rose Meruem isn't even mach 10

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I remember back when it was blasphemy to put Meruem at low hypersonic. How times have changed.

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I mean the hunter x hunter universe makes a big deal out of sound do they not? The speed of sound is treated like fodder in the OPM yet is highly praised in HXH so this should the major speed difference between the two.

Genos>>>all might>>>meurem>>>>kaneki.

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#32  Edited By Creasion101

Prime All Might mid-high diff.

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#33  Edited By ActuallyVishnu

Genos disintegrates them all

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@angelica10: I understand that aren't an intelligent human being....at all...so I'm gonna try to explain it slowly to you

Saying Meruem is mach 20 was me throwing the HxH simp a bone because even at mach 20, mach 30 etc Meruem would still be by far the slowest character here

What idiocy. I’ll debunk all of this soon. It’s funny that you went from “oh yeah, HxH is sub Mach 10” to now conceding that he is... above Mach 10. There is a glimpse of hope at least

Bruh you flat out lied lol you have no credibility here simp

I remember back when it was blasphemy to put Meruem at low hypersonic. How times have changed.

I think HxH wank has died out significantly especially because the author of HxH is consistently in the hospital and the series is never going to finish

I mean the hunter x hunter universe makes a big deal out of sound do they not? The speed of sound is treated like fodder in the OPM yet is highly praised in HXH so this should the major speed difference between the two.

Genos>>>all might>>>meurem>>>>kaneki.

This is true, Netero's attacks being faster than sound was a big deal in HxH

Now technically it says "Faster than sound" so its above mach 1 but I highly doubt it's mach 10+ like these HxH simps are peddling

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@ganker10 said:

@angelica10: I understand that aren't an intelligent human being....at all...so I'm gonna try to explain it slowly to you

Saying Meruem is mach 20 was me throwing the HxH simp a bone because even at mach 20, mach 30 etc Meruem would still be by far the slowest character here

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What idiocy. I’ll debunk all of this soon. It’s funny that you went from “oh yeah, HxH is sub Mach 10” to now conceding that he is... above Mach 10. There is a glimpse of hope at least

Bruh you flat out lied lol you have no credibility here simp

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I remember back when it was blasphemy to put Meruem at low hypersonic. How times have changed.

I think HxH wank has died out significantly especially because the author of HxH is consistently in the hospital and the series is never going to finish

@deathu101 said:

I mean the hunter x hunter universe makes a big deal out of sound do they not? The speed of sound is treated like fodder in the OPM yet is highly praised in HXH so this should the major speed difference between the two.

Genos>>>all might>>>meurem>>>>kaneki.

This is true, Netero's attacks being faster than sound was a big deal in HxH

Now technically it says "Faster than sound" so its above mach 1 but I highly doubt it's mach 10+ like these HxH simps are peddling

How does debating have anything to do with intelligence you stuck up twat?

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Prime All Might mid-high diff.

We don't know what Prime All Might is capable of so we have to use what we know for sure, Genos will win here

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@ganker10 said:

@angelica10: I understand that aren't an intelligent human being....at all...so I'm gonna try to explain it slowly to you

Saying Meruem is mach 20 was me throwing the HxH simp a bone because even at mach 20, mach 30 etc Meruem would still be by far the slowest character here

@defiant_will said:

What idiocy. I’ll debunk all of this soon. It’s funny that you went from “oh yeah, HxH is sub Mach 10” to now conceding that he is... above Mach 10. There is a glimpse of hope at least

Bruh you flat out lied lol you have no credibility here simp

@cocacolaman said:

I remember back when it was blasphemy to put Meruem at low hypersonic. How times have changed.

I think HxH wank has died out significantly especially because the author of HxH is consistently in the hospital and the series is never going to finish

@deathu101 said:

I mean the hunter x hunter universe makes a big deal out of sound do they not? The speed of sound is treated like fodder in the OPM yet is highly praised in HXH so this should the major speed difference between the two.

Genos>>>all might>>>meurem>>>>kaneki.

This is true, Netero's attacks being faster than sound was a big deal in HxH

Now technically it says "Faster than sound" so its above mach 1 but I highly doubt it's mach 10+ like these HxH simps are peddling

Nice salt. Great debating at work!

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The HxH downplayer actually thinks he proved something and use bad logic to sustain each and every of his points.

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Prime AM scaling to the movie feats > Meruem > Genos > Kaneki

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Toshinori and Meruem are practically dead even, don't know Kaneki well enough but IIRC Genos even before now was above those two.

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Toshinori and Meruem are practically dead even, don't know Kaneki well enough but IIRC Genos even before now was above those two.

Meruem isn't even on the same level as a 30% Midoriya, he's way too slow

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The HxH downplayer actually thinks he proved something and use bad logic to sustain each and every of his points.

Awww did I hurt your feelings little HxH simp? BTW I noticed were too afraid to tag me out of fear of me getting a notification

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Prime AM scaling to the movie feats > Meruem > Genos > Kaneki

Genos would kill Meruem quite easily

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@ganker10: I mean, we were given a rough estimate of what his prime is like. He stated that the Noumu he defeated in 300 punches would've taken a measly 5 in his prime. Multiply every feat he's ever done by 60 and we're given his strength in his prime.

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@ganker10: I mean, we were given a rough estimate of what his prime is like. He stated that the Noumu he defeated in 300 punches would've taken a measly 5 in his prime. Multiply every feat he's ever done by 60 and we're given his strength in his prime.

Over 300 punches which means it could be anything from 301 - infinity

I only deal with absolutes

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Kaneki blitzes

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#46 higherpower  Moderator

I think the realistic outcome of free-for-all’s like this where characters are relative is that they would end up destroying each other. In terms of who is the most powerful by feats, that would be Genos. Prime All Might is a bit of an enigma, he has the highest scaling potential but is a bad matchup for both Genos and Kaneki. Similar to Kaneki, Meruem is also much stronger than he’s being given credit for.

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@ganker10: That in and of itself is illogical. You're arguing what you see is what you get. If that's the case then every character in all of fiction would be downgraded or upgraded.

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I think the realistic outcome of free-for-all’s like this where characters are relative is that they would end up destroying each other. In terms of who is the most powerful by feats, that would be Genos. Prime All Might is a bit of an enigma, he has the highest scaling potential but is a bad matchup for both Genos and Kaneki. Similar to Kaneki, Meruem is also much stronger than he’s being given credit for.

OK....then explain why you believe this...

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@ganker10: I didn't need to @ you for your stalking ass to tag me because your obsessed with downplaying HxH pitted with garbage logic. It's blatant in this thread and if I'm aware of you @'ing me without the use of tagging you, then clearly in no way or form do I fear you and your arguments. They're soon to be disproved of soon, so talk trash while you still can.

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@creasion101 said:

@ganker10: That in and of itself is illogical. You're arguing what you see is what you get. If that's the case then every character in all of fiction would be downgraded or upgraded.

Are you high? How is it "what you see is what you get" when AM literally said OVER 300....why am I going to assume 300 when it was more than that?

In this case because its an unknown variable the entire showing has to be dismissed.

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@ganker10: I didn't need to @ you for your stalking ass to tag me because your obsessed with downplaying HxH pitted with garbage logic. It's blatant in this thread and if I'm aware of you @'ing me without the use of tagging you, then clearly in no way or form do I fear you and your arguments.

We get it dawg you're afraid of me and that's OK

You can keep crying "bu buh but teh downplayz" but none of it means anything unless you explain why you believe there's downplaying going on

They're soon to be disproved of soon, so talk trash while you still can.

Well maybe...or maybe not....but one is for sure, it certainly isn't going to be disproven by you

Right now all you're doing is cheerleading hoping someone comes in and does what you clearly cannot. You're the Comivine equivalent of a bystander who's afraid of getting caught in the crossfire