All Might vs Genos

All Might (No time limit)

VS

Genos

In character

Winner by KO, Incapacitation or Death

Random encounter

Standard gear and abilities

Fight takes place at an unpopulated city setting at night

Who'd win? For what reasons?

Callouts:

Penny for your thoughts on this battle?

@life_without_progress: Genos annihilates the verse low diff.

Genos stomps. Much faster & has enough firepower to probably one shot All Might.

My money is on Genos, but I don’t think I know enough about All Might.

I think All Might wins. A punch of all might should ko genos.

Genos blitzes and oneshots. Not debatable.

All Mighty, his striking feats are insane even for his worst. Without time limit (which means at his best) he should one shoot Genos.

@speedbolt: Is that before or after he gets blitzed into oblivion?

@frocharocha: All Might doesn't have anywhere near the amount of power to oneshot Genos. He was tanking punches from Carnage Kabuto, a being who could overpower city+ lvl blasts by exhaling.

Not to mention, the notion of All Might tagging him isn't happening.

@chaos239: Is Genos even fast enough for that? All Might managed to hit tomura and save midoriya and the others without any of them noticing.

@speedbolt: That makes him FTE.

Genos easily surpasses the speed of sound casually.

Genos wins.

All might should be fast enough to deal with Genos.

Scaled off of Speed of Sound Sonic and Garou's recent gatling feat, Genos is at most a respectable Mach: 5, which is pretty much in line with how fast a serous All might can move.

In terms of power, the maximum for Genos' laser is above a single punch from All Might I'll admit, but All Might can spam those attacks much faster and his are harder to dodge then Genos'.

What really ruins Genos though, is his tendency to underestimate his opponents. Since this is In-character, even if Genos was much stronger then All Might, that underestimation would still surely give All Might the opening needed to turn Genos into Modern Art.

@gnomishness: All Might can not physically scratch Genos, who, by the way, is close to double digit mach.

The distance is crucial in this battle. At a very short range, All Might can leap in, close the gap, and beat the shit out of Genos. But in all other scenarios Genos stomps.

All Might is at best Supersonic, he wouldn't be able to compete with Genos speed wise.

@gnomishness: You realise current Genos isn't underestimating people anymore?

Even against a weakened Garou whom Genos thought of as a common thug he was serious.

Genos stomps

Genos blitzes

Current All Might gets stomped due to Genos' speed advantage

Prime All Might stomps due to horrific gap in strength

@siegeeeman2000: Prime All Might is featless and would still weaker than Carnage Kabuto.

@god_vulcan:

All Might can not physically scracth Genos, who, by the way, is double digit mach.

Scaled from what exactly?

Considering his most recent fight against super-injured Garou, and Garou's recent extreme difficulty feats of deflecting gatling-gun fire, Mach 5 seems rather generous to scale him to.

@chaos239:

Even against a weakened Garou whom Genos thought of as a common thug he was serious.

If anything, the fact that he thought Genos was a common thug is proof that he was starting to underestimate him.

@chaos239:Current All Might is already Town level, so even if we lowball and assume he was only five to ten times stronger in his prime, that's still enough to incapacitate Genos with a single shot tbh.

"..and would still weaker than Carnage Kabuto."

Well yeah, but that doesn't really matter since Kabuto would stomp Genos too.

@siegeeeman2000: Current Genos would take wins, he's insanely powerful.

@chaos239: He'd win against Kabuto's enraged form?

That was an actual question lol. I don't read the manga.

@siegeeeman2000: No, he'd beat Base Kabuto who's above anyone in MHA will probably ever be.

Genos was mountain lvl at the house of evolution arc, since then, he beacame many times stronger

All might best feat (at least in the anime, I didn't read the manga) is destroying a few streets long area in a city with one punch in his fight against Midoria and Katchan, Genos has a similar feat from the fight against Deep Sea King were he broke the monster shelter and long area of buildings with his punch and he is considered strong even between the S-class heroes

speed wise, I believe they are close to each other or atleast can tag each other. both can spam many hits in an instant

durability: from what I know All might best feat was not even flinching by Midorria and Katchan attacks while Genos took hits from all different city lvl+ beings usually taking heavy damage but keep on fighting and wasn't moved an inch by saitama punch in their fight (this punch destroyed the mountains far beyobe genos and even affected the clouds (sure he would die if he was to get hit, but this is crazy durability feat)

genos win

I'm behind on the MHA manga, but from what I've seen so far Genos should take it easily.

He really wasn't going all out otherwise, Garou wouldn't have been able to dodge his blasts.

So Garou being fast enough to dodge them isn't a possibility?And he noticed Genos was about to blast him before he actually fired so that had something to do with it.

Carnage Kabuto two shooted Genos.

Alll Mighty air pressure from his punches alone have the power to destroy entire cities.

@frocharocha: Stop wanking, that's not city Level at all, it's Multi-City Block Level

>Claims All Might busted an entire city

>Posts a scan on 3 city blocks being destroyed.

In the most recent chapter Garou claims that Genos is just as strong as Tank Top Master. Tank Top master has city-block level strength feats on his own, so Genos should logically scale.

@god_vulcan: @chaos239:

"No, he'd beat Base Kabuto who's above anyone in MHA will probably ever be."

That's debatable. All Might was apparently several times stronger in his prime.

"Stop wanking, that's not city Level at all, it's Multi-City Block Level"

That's definitely only a few city blocks, but it's still more than enough to severely damage Genos. Sea King, whose striking strength is inferior to even weakened All Might's, took the cyborg's arm off with ease. Also, I'm pretty sure Genos can't take out a city in a single shot either. And, with that in mind..

This is throwing me off a bit. So, when someone is given a DC level, are we talking about his collective strength? Because neither All Might or Genos can one shot a city, but they could easily wreck a few if given some time.

Back on topic, I still think prime All Might wins. Even if we lowball and assume he was only five times stronger in his prime, that's still more than enough to one shot Genos. His other stats should go up as well, possibly bringing him up to city level durability, and the speed for.. well, for us to actually consider this a fight.

@siegeeeman2000: All might is small town level in the series and large town level in his prime, Genos is city level in the beginning of the series (he could one shot a city) and much stronger currently. S class heroes like Tatsumaki and Atomic samurai have speeds of about four digit Mach and Genos is comparable to them. With the huge speed and DC advantage All might has no chance, not to mention Genos is probably physically stronger (he has been stated to be as strong as Tanktop master) and even a durability advantage (took a beating from a demon level monster which defeated an S class hero)

@unlimited1: "All might is small town level in the series and large town level in his prime, Genos is city level in the beginning of the series (he could one shot a city) and much stronger currently. S class heroes like Tatsumaki and Atomic samurai have speeds of about four digit Mach and Genos is comparable to them."

Large town level All Might? Four digit mach Tornado?! Where are you getting this crap?! Please show me valid proof that Tornado and Genos are somehow that fast. As for prime All Might, we can't figure out exactly how strong he was since it's all hype and no feats. But, needing 300 punches to do what would've previously taken 5 probably means he was a lot higher than large town level..

"With the huge speed and DC advantage All might has no chance"

While I don't read the manga, I do recall a feat I've seen from him in other debates: crossing 5 kilometers in 30 seconds, and taking out some villains along the way. Assuming his speed is in proportion with his strength, and he was 10 times stronger in his prime, he'd be close to Mach 5.

"not to mention Genos is probably physically stronger (he has been stated to be as strong as Tanktop master)"

Not at all. Genos' higher DC comes from his energy blasts, while All Might is nothing but physical strength. Plus, Tanktop Master's throwing feat isn't too impressive in comparison to All Might's punches.

"and even a durability advantage (took a beating from a demon level monster which defeated an S class hero)"

Lol no. Not in the slightest. Durability is his weakest stat, and a few hits from even current All Might would be enough to kill him. Also, which monster are you talking about? If it's Sea King, then you're wrong there. Genos was winning due to his superior speed, but the couple times he did get hit, he took severe damage. Plus, beating Puri Puri Prisoner doesn't matter in this debate at all since either All Might or Genos could kill him with ease.

@siegeeeman2000: Here is the proof for speed:

Tatsumaki reacted to four digit Mach bullets https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blog-entry/opm-feat-tatsumakis-telekinetic-power.33491/

Atomic Samurai can cut at speeds of four digit Mach http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:LordXcano/Atomic_Samurai_is_a_Bit_Faster_than_Sound

The proof for small town level beginning of series Genos https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blog-entry/one-punch-man-feats-vaccine-man-and-genos-energy-blasts.19131/

Tank top master can throw more than a hundred tons at supersonic speeds thousands of meters into the air http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Darkanine/A_Calc_Request

You clearly know very little about one punch man

@unlimited1:"You clearly know very little about one punch man"

Taking every single fan calc you see as fact ≠ Knowing about One Punch Man

I'd try to prove those wrong, but that is WAY too much math for me to handle (which doesn't matter since pixel scaling isn't reliable anyways). So instead, let's try some common sense. Considering all the damage that he's taken in the show, doesn't it seem a little inaccurate to claim Genos is Mach 1000? Doesn't that seem a little off to you?

genos stomps

not sure

Genos could keep up with a massively injured Garou who's a machine gun timer

but his lasers couldn't tag him

All Might doesn't have any good speed feats tbh but by scaling he should be around supersonic?

Genos is probably faster and if his beams can tag All Might the damage should be massive

Genos 8/10 based on feats

If all might hits him tho bye genos

@siegeeeman2000: lol ur right he's clearly not

by feats he's supersonic~supersonic+ for keeping up w sonic

@siegeeeman2000: Saying something is wrong before trying to check it is weird but if you are afraid of calculation just use common sense and figure out that cutting someone who was supersonic before receiving a huge buff dozens of times (while he is mid swing appearing to be frozen) is a four digit Mach feat. Or that lifting a rock in this size a throwing it an incredible height is a great strength feat. What seems wrong or right to you doesn't really matters here, you could say the same about many MFTL characters who get tagged by characters much slower.

Where did you get the Idea that pixel scaling is unreliable? Sure its not perfect but it works very well in most cases.

All might wins with nothing keeping his power down.

@siegeeeman2000: not to mention Genos said he could fight dragon level threats (with his recent upgrade) which are obviously stronger than the demon level Beefcake who could probably defeat All might as well.