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#1 Posted by Jueix (2555 posts) - - Show Bio
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- Manga + anime feats for Team MHA, standard feats for Symbiotes.

- Standard gear and abilities

- Winner by KO, Incapacitation or Death

- Fight takes place at an unpopulated city setting at night

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#2 Posted by Son_of_Mori-jin (448 posts) - - Show Bio

Symbiotes stomp from what I remember of MHA

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#5 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18616 posts) - - Show Bio

All Might one shots them all

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#8 Posted by juiceboks (25006 posts) - - Show Bio

Backing the symbiotes here given their durability and piercing attacks. Eddie can also stealth takedown anyone on the MHA team should he feel it necessary

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#11 Edited by Mee09 (5829 posts) - - Show Bio

Out of Prime All Might BFR'd Noumu. He was not strong enough to actually damage it. So I think he's being overlooked a lot here. I never seen a normal Symbiote hit as hard as All Might. Outside Venom when he has been backed by bad writing. So they probably couldn't put Noumu down. Can the Symbiote's also deal with Endeavor's heat? It gets very hot to say the least. He's not human torch but they need some impressive heat resistance feats to survive his flames. All For One is a wildcard but he can use the abilities of all of his teammates and maybe even the symbiotes.

Personally I don't see how the Symbiote's can win. They cannot tank the full force attacks of the MHA team. Nor can they put Noumu down who All Might couldn't damage.

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#13 Posted by DarkDementor101 (604 posts) - - Show Bio

@pansito: I know who it is! I pm'ed him out of spite and now he's sending personalized messages with g-porn to me, lel!

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#14 Posted by jashro44 (53869 posts) - - Show Bio

All might, all for one, and nomu all solo.

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#15 Posted by Zuriel-el (3428 posts) - - Show Bio

team 1

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@jashro44 said:

All might, all for one, and nomu all solo.

I guess depending on how strong you think All Might is compared to the symbiotes he and All for One could take them on their own, but how does the Nomu solo?

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#17 Posted by jashro44 (53869 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks: Nomu was stated and shown to be all mights equal. I think all might mainly won due to his determination.

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@juiceboks: Nomu was stated and shown to be all mights equal. I think all might mainly won due to his determination.

The only statement I can recall in saying that was made by Kurogiri who is not only far from impartial (he had full confidence that All Might couldn't overcome Nomu's Quirk) but I believe was proven wrong by how the fight went. As for being shown so, I disagree. Nomu doesn't have conventional durability like All Might given how his Quirk works so their punching contest was less of a test of their relative strength levels and moreso a showing of how many punches does it take All Might to overload his Quirk. I don't think that shows that the Nomu is equally as strong as All Might, or even as durable considering Nomu wasn't hurting All Might at all with any of his punches sans the one that targeted his weak spot. Even if you argue that Nomu's Quirk makes essentially as durable as All Might, All Might was clearly able to get past that durability whereas Nomu couldn't do the same to All Might to actually inflict any damage. And we saw later on that when they had explicit contests of strength, Nomu was overpowered at least in their anime fight. I think All Might wouldn't have been able to win if not for his determination but considering he was close to exhausting his power and sustained a noticeable injury to an already existing one I think all of that determination amounted to tenacity to keep fighting rather than amping his stats or anything. If Nomu was truly All Mights equal, he would've been able to outlast him while his willpower wore out.

Not only that, I don't think Nomu has the intelligence or abilities to fight off four characters as versatile as they are. Venom has camouflage he's used a lot more since becoming more heroic, Carnage is a pain to put down period and all of them have the means to butcher him given the opportunity. Also even scaling him from All Might, I don't think he's much if at all faster than them..at least not to the point where they can't keep up with him. Nomu isn't one to really dodge attacks anyway, which makes sense given the nature of his Quirk.

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#19 Posted by jashro44 (53869 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks:

The only statement I can recall in saying that was made by Kurogiri who is not only far from impartial (he had full confidence that All Might couldn't overcome Nomu's Quirk) but I believe was proven wrong by how the fight went.

Shigaraki was the one who said Nomu was as strong as All Might. He isn't credible but it was also stated by the doctor that Nomu was as strong as all might, and he had direct contact with all for one, someone who was familiar with all might in his prime. All Might also mentioned Nomu's power was "unbelievable" when he tried to break his grip.

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As for being shown so, I disagree. Nomu doesn't have conventional durability like All Might given how his Quirk works so their punching contest was less of a test of their relative strength levels and moreso a showing of how many punches does it take All Might to overload his Quirk. I don't think that shows that the Nomu is equally as strong as All Might,

Its hard to disagree when Nomu and All MIght's fists collided when All Might was stated explicitly to be "going beyond 100%":

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or even as durable considering Nomu wasn't hurting All Might at all with any of his punches sans the one that targeted his weak spot. Even if you argue that Nomu's Quirk makes essentially as durable as All Might, All Might was clearly able to get past that durability whereas Nomu couldn't do the same to All Might to actually inflict any damage. And we saw later on that when they had explicit contests of strength, Nomu was overpowered at least in their anime fight.

All Might was hurt a lot against Nomu. He wasn't no selling his hits and was even said to be spitting up blood during the clash. Just because All Might out lasted Nomu doesn't mean he is more durable in the sense he is harder to damage. If anything nomu was less damaged and affected by All Might's hits.The only other time Nomu tagged All Might outside the clash was when All Might saved Bakugo. Even than Nomu didn't really tag All Might. All Might blocked the hit, and the force of the punch hurt him to the point where he was coughing:

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Nomu never knocked out All Might but that doesn't mean he couldn't have if All Might let him do it.

I don't see any evidence Nomu was overpowered, especially in the anime. He used a lot of throws in blocks in the anime and BFR'd Nomu while he was bounced off the ground. Nomu didn't even have solid footing when he was BFR'd:

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I think All Might wouldn't have been able to win if not for his determination but considering he was close to exhausting his power and sustained a noticeable injury to an already existing one I think all of that determination amounted to tenacity to keep fighting rather than amping his stats or anything. If Nomu was truly All Mights equal, he would've been able to outlast him while his willpower wore out.

I look at it as the equivalent of spider-man lifting the giant rubble in amazing spider-man 33 of Midoriya's fight with muscular. The way Horikoshi explained the latter was that it wasn't literally 1 million % but was the equivalent of Midoriya experiencing a rush of adrenaline.

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Basically the way I view All Might and Nomu is Nomu had the advantage in:

  • Regeneration
  • pain tolerance (he seemed unresponsive to pain)
  • and shock absorption.

All Might and nomu were equal in:

  • Strength
  • and kind of speed (I'll touch up on this and clarify later)

All Might had the advantages of:

  • Intelligence/will power.
  • Kind of speed.

Basically the way I view it Nomu was in fact the worst match up for all might. He was just as strong and fast and also had a lot of quirks to let him soak damage but all might understood he had a job to do, and how important the job was. So he pushed himself beyond his limits. Nomu has no will of his own other than what Shigakraki tells him to do, so he couldn't push himself the same way all might could. With speed I think Nomu was as fast as All Might physically but I think Nomu was slower to react because he was just kind of dumb and it probably took Nomu a split second to think of his actions and attack whereas All Might's reactions are more automatic due to possessing average human intelligence (All Might has trained muscle memory like a pro athlete at the very least).

But I don't think Nomu was stronger. I think All Might could be more tolerant to certain types of attacks because he's never shown split durability like Nomu (assuming our default assumption is Todoroki couldn't do the same to All Might, even though he's just a kid he actually does have one of the strongest quirks in the series). But with strength it mostly comes down to the fact that Nomu and All Might's fists collided when All Might was giving it his all and neither were overpowered during the clash:

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That's about as clear and quantafiable as you can get when it comes to scaling.

Not only that, I don't think Nomu has the intelligence or abilities to fight off four characters as versatile as they are. Venom has camouflage he's used a lot more since becoming more heroic,

I mean camoflogue is well and good but I don't think venom can hurt Nomu. He certainly can't put him down with his regeneration.

Carnage is a pain to put down period and all of them have the means to butcher him given the opportunity.

Nomu's healing factor isn't far off. Nomu shattered like half his body and regenerated it in seconds. Difference being is the symbiotes can't eat attacks from Nomu.

Also even scaling him from All Might, I don't think he's much if at all faster than them..at least not to the point where they can't keep up with him. Nomu isn't one to really dodge attacks anyway, which makes sense given the nature of his Quirk.

I would say All Might being able to create vacuums with his speed makes him faster than the symbiotes. I discussed Nomu and All Might's speed above. I would like to point out that the symbiotes are all quite tanky. They don't use there speed and agility the same way Peter does for the most part, and none of them have spider-sense like he does.

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#20 Edited by TheWatcherKing (18616 posts) - - Show Bio

@jueix: All might solos because they can’t hurt him and he has the power to one shot them all with a casual punch. I imagine they would all end up like the sludge villain All Might punched causing the weather to change.

Hell endeavor may solo since he can carbonize things on a cellular level depending on if the symbiotes that level of healing.

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#21 Posted by jashro44 (53869 posts) - - Show Bio

@thewatcherking: Carnage is weak to fire. So is venom last I checked.

Anti-venom is not weak to fire. All though his best feat of resistance is no selling punishers flame thrower iirc.

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#22 Posted by Tony_Shark (2126 posts) - - Show Bio

The symbiotes lose.

Endeveours fire later on in the manga is one of the most versatile abilities and has insane damage. That's a huge problem for the symbiotes.

All Might has better stats even post prime but they ARE short in duration.

Nomou is also crazy strong and and All for One is so overpowered that he was creating Nuke-like blasts casually..

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#23 Posted by Lan_Fan (16196 posts) - - Show Bio

Team MHA, but I don't think any of them could solo.

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#24 Edited by uugieboogie (13400 posts) - - Show Bio

All-Might and All-For-One duo wreck

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#25 Edited by Hey_Thatsmildlyadequate (1705 posts) - - Show Bio

Quirkless Deku could solo

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#26 Posted by juiceboks (25006 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44:

Shigaraki was the one who said Nomu was as strong as All Might.

I meant Shigaraki my bad.

He isn't credible but it was also stated by the doctor that Nomu was as strong as all might

Within context it sounds like he was commenting on the effort done to Nomu in an attempt to make him as strong as All Might, not confirming he was as actually as strong as All Might.

All Might also mentioned Nomu's power was "unbelievable" when he tried to break his grip

Well he was struggling with more than just breaking his grip at the time. I doubt All Might wouldn't have been able to break free if his wound wasn't being crushed.

Its hard to disagree when Nomu and All MIght's fists collided when All Might was stated explicitly to be "going beyond 100%"

If he didn't have a Quirk that allowed him to absorb the force of blows to his body I would concede to this. But because of the way his powers work we can't examine a clash like that the same way we would two comic book bricks like Namor and Thing for example.

All Might was hurt a lot against Nomu. He wasn't no selling his hits and was even said to be spitting up blood during the clash.

He only spit up blood after Nomu hit him in his weak spot, all the other punches had no visible effect on him. The same went for Nomu for a while, but he has the explanation of a Quirk that allows his body to process force in a unique way. All Might was simply too durable for Nomu to hurt, and we know that All Might is more than capable of doing serious damage to himself from the Impact Reversal Quirk showing of All for One. As far as the clash we know All Might causes damage to his body the more time and energy spent in his buff form. Through that clash he was expending all of the energy he had left and by the end of it couldn't even move. Even before that clash he remarked that being in his buff form was weakening his body as he was reaching his time limit.

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If anything nomu was less damaged and affected by All Might's hits

Hard to argue that when Nomu was the one ragdolled after he reached his absorption limit.

All Might blocked the hit, and the force of the punch hurt him to the point where he was coughing

He was coughing from getting his weak point attacked prior to that, he was also not at all braced for the impact. If Nomu could draw blood from him with one punch and push him back that far their pummel contest should've resulted in a lot more damage to All Might.

I don't see any evidence Nomu was overpowered, especially in the anime. He used a lot of throws in blocks in the anime and BFR'd Nomu while he was bounced off the ground

Besides the fact that he was ragdolled immediately after his Quirk was overloaded, their clash at 2:10 ended with Nomu getting thrown off All Might after he tried to push him down with the punch he put his whole body into.

Basically the way I view it Nomu was in fact the worst match up for all might. He was just as strong and fast and also had a lot of quirks to let him soak damage but all might understood he had a job to do, and how important the job was. So he pushed himself beyond his limits. Nomu has no will of his own other than what Shigakraki tells him to do, so he couldn't push himself the same way all might could. With speed I think Nomu was as fast as All Might physically but I think Nomu was slower to react because he was just kind of dumb and it probably took Nomu a split second to think of his actions and attack whereas All Might's reactions are more automatic due to possessing average human intelligence (All Might has trained muscle memory like a pro athlete at the very least)

I don't necessarily disagree with most of this, however Nomu was also stated by All Might that he didn't even know how to hold back. So if you're arguing that All Might was able to beat Nomu because he could push himself to his limits for a while, I don't think that alone would be enough if they truly were equals in strength. In regards to speed I don't see any evidence they were equals in their match, and I don't think they had to be for Nomu to have the performance he did. Comparable? Sure, they clashed too often for him to considerably slower. Of course I don't think that All Might is above Spider-Man tier characters in speed regardless so I won't harp on this. But you did bring up a good point in that Nomu is seemingly unintelligent and incapable of adapting new approaches and strategies, which is more to my point that he likely can't handle 4 symbiotes at once.

But with strength it mostly comes down to the fact that Nomu and All Might's fists collided when All Might was giving it his all and neither were overpowered during the clash

Again Nomu's Quirk aids with blunt force in a way that's unique to a regular brick like All Might. He doesn't have to be as strong as All Might to stay unmoved by his punch when the force of the punch is absorbed into his body, which is shown more explicitly in the anime when they first clashed and force visibly rippled through his body while All Might was still.

This would also explain why as soon as Nomu's Quirk reached it's limit was the same time he started getting pushed back. He clearly isn't equipped to meet the force of All Might's blows off strength alone. Ergo his strength likely isn't on par but his Quirk makes up for it.

mean camoflogue is well and good but I don't think venom can hurt Nomu. He certainly can't put him down with his regeneration.

Why not? Nomu has shown no piercing resistance or the ability to regenerate his head and Nomu isn't human enough for Eddie to care about decapitation. Even if he did, at least two of the other symbiotes surely wouldn't.

Nomu's healing factor isn't far off. Nomu shattered like half his body and regenerated it in seconds

Carnage has withstood much worse than that including his head being completely blown off, I don't think the Nomu would expect that kind of regeneration and the other symbiotes aren't far behind. Not to mention they can all become a liquid state of matter to avoid his punches should it be necessary.

Difference being is the symbiotes can't eat attacks from Nomu

Not in the same way but they don't have to.

I would say All Might being able to create vacuums with his speed makes him faster than the symbiotes

I think that has more to do with his strength than speed, if not a combination of the two. I believe we've discussed this before but bricks in comics have caused vacuums with the force of their movement despite having less than Spider-Man level combat speed. Venom has more and better quantifiable speed feats like explicitly outspeeding bullets more than once and all of these symbiotes scale off of him and Peter. They don't even have to match his speed, there are four of them and Nomu doesn't dodge attacks in character. Unless you think he's fast enough to blitz all four of them before they can retaliate there's no way he's going untagged.

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#28 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18616 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@thewatcherking: Carnage is weak to fire. So is venom last I checked.

Anti-venom is not weak to fire. All though his best feat of resistance is no selling punishers flame thrower iirc.

Then Endavour has a good chance at solo’ing too, depending on how you look at his speed and durability.

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#29 Posted by Cyogre (165 posts) - - Show Bio

MHA is Fodder and get no diffed. They aren't even fast enough to tag any of the Symbiotes lmfao.

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#30 Posted by Tony_Shark (2126 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyogre: All Might casually destroys city blocks while holding back with a single punch.

Casually.

The symbiotes dont have answers MHA superior power.

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#31 Posted by Hypnos0929 (6730 posts) - - Show Bio

So how do the symbiotes touch Endeavor? I mean isn't fire one of their main weaknesses?

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#32 Posted by Cyogre (165 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyogre: All Might casually destroys city blocks while holding back with a single punch.

Casually.

The symbiotes dont have answers MHA superior power.

Symbiotes have FTL reaction speeds casually. He's never tagging them ever. Try again.

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#33 Posted by Morpheus_ (34662 posts) - - Show Bio

All Might or AfO solo.

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So how do the symbiotes touch Endeavor? I mean isn't fire one of their main weaknesses?

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Also have tanked human torch's flames, they've tanked the explosions and fire of rockets.... Also see above...

OLD NEWS.

OT: SYMBIOTES STILL STOMP LOL.

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#37 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18616 posts) - - Show Bio

@thewatcherking: I forget but how is All Might’s piercing durability?

If you’re asking if he has piercing resistance feats such as no selling gunfire then he doesn’t have it. However people on CV highly overestimate the power of piercing damage. A piercing attack is the same as a blunt force attack just much more concentrated, hitting a smaller area. The fact is that simply because symbiotes like Carnage can use claws to cause damage doesn’t mean they magically can hurt someone who no sells multi city block level attacks in a weakened state.

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#38 Posted by jashro44 (53869 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks:

Within context it sounds like he was commenting on the effort done to Nomu in an attempt to make him as strong as All Might, not confirming he was as actually as strong as All Might.

He flat out said they made him as strong as all might.

Well he was struggling with more than just breaking his grip at the time. I doubt All Might wouldn't have been able to break free if his wound wasn't being crushed.

Why? All Might being in pain wouldn't make him weaker. If anything he would be more desperate.

If he didn't have a Quirk that allowed him to absorb the force of blows to his body I would concede to this. But because of the way his powers work we can't examine a clash like that the same way we would two comic book bricks like Namor and Thing for example.

Well the feat aligns with every statement of power made about Nomu.

He only spit up blood after Nomu hit him in his weak spot, all the other punches had no visible effect on him.

No I already showed All Might coughing and spitting blood when he saved Bakugo. On the previous pages he wasn't coughing blood. He doesn't cough blood until Nomu finally tags him. Yea his weak point was damaged

The same went for Nomu for a while, but he has the explanation of a Quirk that allows his body to process force in a unique way. All Might was simply too durable for Nomu to hurt, and we know that All Might is more than capable of doing serious damage to himself from the Impact Reversal Quirk showing of All for One.

Again nothing indicates Nomu wasn't able to damage all might....Nomu hurt him every time he punched all might.

As far as the clash we know All Might causes damage to his body the more time and energy spent in his buff form. Through that clash he was expending all of the energy he had left and by the end of it couldn't even move. Even before that clash he remarked that being in his buff form was weakening his body as he was reaching his time limit.

This is true. But most of all might's feats involve him pushing himself beyond his limits.

Like when he pushed himself against Slime and changed the weather:

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Or when he fought all for one and was no longer even in his buff form:

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So even limiting All Might to feats while he was explicitly weakened he still has feats in the city block level.

Hard to argue that when Nomu was the one ragdolled after he reached his absorption limit.

In the anime we see one scene where nomu was sent skidding across the ground. That scene wasn't even in the manga and I don't think the people who animated that fight threw the scene in to change the original point of the scene in the manga. The only other point we see Nomu lose is when All Might sends him flying with the final punch. However that was after Nomu traded over 300 hits with All Might.

He was coughing from getting his weak point attacked prior to that, he was also not at all braced for the impact. If Nomu could draw blood from him with one punch and push him back that far their pummel contest should've resulted in a lot more damage to All Might.

He was braced. He blocked the punch. As for coughing blood he only did that after Nomu's punch in the manga. Prior to Nomu's punch All Might went 3 pages without coughing blood once. He doesn't cough blood after Todoroki frees him in the anime either IIRC. He immediately begins coughing after blocking Nomu's punch though.

As for All Might and Nomu's clash going differently I honestly think it just comes down to All Might having stronger will. If you gave one random dude the powers of nomu and one random dude the powers of a weakened all might and both had equal will power the guy with Nomu's powers would win a punching contest but that isn't the case here.

Besides the fact that he was ragdolled immediately after his Quirk was overloaded, their clash at 2:10 ended with Nomu getting thrown off All Might after he tried to push him down with the punch he put his whole body into.

I don't see how that is conclusive evidence All Might is stronger than Nomu. Wolverine has sent spider-man flying with the flick of his wrist but he is nowhere near spider-man's strength class.

I don't necessarily disagree with most of this, however Nomu was also stated by All Might that he didn't even know how to hold back. So if you're arguing that All Might was able to beat Nomu because he could push himself to his limits for a while, I don't think that alone would be enough if they truly were equals in strength.

What I am saying is there is more to on paper than just the powers of a character. And also "going beyond 100%" in a crisis situation is a very human reaction (hence mothers ripping car doors off in crisis situations to save there child). Nomu wasn't really human and no longer had the ability to push himself the same way like All Might did.

In regards to speed I don't see any evidence they were equals in their match, and I don't think they had to be for Nomu to have the performance he did. Comparable? Sure, they clashed too often for him to considerably slower.

It didn't look like All Might was landing more hits during there clash. All though I can settle on being comparable so fine.

Of course I don't think that All Might is above Spider-Man tier characters in speed regardless so I won't harp on this. But you did bring up a good point in that Nomu is seemingly unintelligent and incapable of adapting new approaches and strategies, which is more to my point that he likely can't handle 4 symbiotes at once.

Nomu doesn't need strategy to beat the symbiotes. He just needs to punch them.

Again Nomu's Quirk aids with blunt force in a way that's unique to a regular brick like All Might. He doesn't have to be as strong as All Might to stay unmoved by his punch when the force of the punch is absorbed into his body, which is shown more explicitly in the anime when they first clashed and force visibly rippled through his body while All Might was still.

It aids in blunt force resistance not strength. All Might even said Nomu doesn't have shock negation. The force still gets absorbed into Nomu's body and courses through his body. It dissipates after that which makes it easier for Nomu to avoid damage however he still needs to take the initial punch.

This would also explain why as soon as Nomu's Quirk reached it's limit was the same time he started getting pushed back. He clearly isn't equipped to meet the force of All Might's blows off strength alone. Ergo his strength likely isn't on par but his Quirk makes up for it.

As I said being pushed back=//=being overpowered. Wolverine has sent spider-man flying, spider-man has knocked morlun around, Ben Reily has BFR'd Eddie Brock despite being unable to hurt him in the same fight, etc.

Why not? Nomu has shown no piercing resistance or the ability to regenerate his head and Nomu isn't human enough for Eddie to care about decapitation. Even if he did, at least two of the other symbiotes surely wouldn't.

Eddie doesn't use the symbiote the way Flash does in character. Nomu has no piercing resistance because his durability was never tested against piercing resistance. So we don't even know if that would work. If I had to make an assumption one way or the other I would assume probably not considering Nomu's strength.

Carnage has withstood much worse than that including his head being completely blown off, I don't think the Nomu would expect that kind of regeneration and the other symbiotes aren't far behind.

Eddie was recently incapacitated by wolverine in a venom annual, and even though I kind of think that fight is BS it still happened. Carnage is the only symbiote with healing feats at that level (I guess maybe anti-venom since he had his brains blown out, but even than his body has never been completely exploded).

Not to mention they can all become a liquid state of matter to avoid his punches should it be necessary.

Well they would fare about as well as Slime did against all might if they chose to do that.

Not in the same way but they don't have to.

They kind of do.

I think that has more to do with his strength than speed, if not a combination of the two. I believe we've discussed this before but bricks in comics have caused vacuums with the force of their movement despite having less than Spider-Man level combat speed.

We did. You posted a scan of the thing fanning the air with his speed, but Ben admits in the same scans he is doing it as a result of his giant hands, similar to what Kendo did. Even ignoring All Might's Oklahoma smash (we shouldn't ignore it) there is this statement where All Might explains to Midoriya that he never used his speed at 100% for running around because if he did he would create massive windstorms wherever he went:

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This is likely what the Oklahoma smash is...Because All Might's hands are not in proper position to be fanning the air the way Ben was in the scan you posted:

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I know hulk also has a feat like this but I would just say its inconsistent especially during the Stan Lee era specifically. Regardless that is neither here nor there.

Venom has more and better quantifiable speed feats like explicitly outspeeding bullets more than once and all of these symbiotes scale off of him and Peter.

What do you mean by "out speeding a bullet"? Like dodging them after they are fired or are you saying he out ran them? If its the latter I would be tempted to say street levelers can't run that fest consistently. They have few feats of doing so and for the most part there not very consistent. That feat is about as consistent as Midoriya burning up air pressure during the movie.

They don't even have to match his speed, there are four of them and Nomu doesn't dodge attacks in character. Unless you think he's fast enough to blitz all four of them before they can retaliate there's no way he's going untagged.

I don't think he even needs to be untagged.

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#39 Edited by Oreoghoul (2001 posts) - - Show Bio

@thewatcherking: While I agree that piercing attacks can get overestimated here, I disagree with that last part. For example, DCEU Wonder Woman can take hits from Superman and Doomsday but can die from simple arrows and WWI guns. Spider-Man can take hits from bricks like Venom, Hulk, Juggernaut, etc but a bullet or knife to the head would kill him.

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#40 Edited by TheWatcherKing (18616 posts) - - Show Bio

@oreoghoul said:

@thewatcherking: While I agree that piercing attacks can get overestimated here, I disagree with that last part. For example, DCEU Wonder Woman can take hits from Superman and Doomsday but can die from simple arrows and WWI guns. Spider-Man can take hits from bricks like Venom, Hulk, Juggernaut, etc but a bullet or knife to the head would kill him.

DCEU WW is horrible example as she has yet to be pierced by anything. Regular WW is an extreme case for split durability, durability like hers is hardly the norm for a high tier.

Spider-Man taking hits from people like Juggernaut and Hulk is outlier or they’re holding back in those instances. Spider-Man has around building level durability, his being pierced by things like bullets isn’t bad.

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#41 Posted by Oreoghoul (2001 posts) - - Show Bio

@oreoghoul said:

@thewatcherking: While I agree that piercing attacks can get overestimated here, I disagree with that last part. For example, DCEU Wonder Woman can take hits from Superman and Doomsday but can die from simple arrows and WWI guns. Spider-Man can take hits from bricks like Venom, Hulk, Juggernaut, etc but a bullet or knife to the head would kill him.

DCEU WW is horrible example as she has yet to be pierced by anything. Regular WW is an extreme case for split durability, durability like hers is hardly the norm for a high tier.

Spider-Man taking hits from people like Juggernaut and Hulk is outlier or they’re holding back in those instances. Spider-Man has around building level durability, his being pierced by things like bullets isn’t bad.

DCEU Wonder Woman has been pierced, albeit off-screen.

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And the director has confirmed she is vulnerable to bullets.

As for Spider-Man, I personally believe there have been enough feats/encounters against some of the heavy hitters to say it’s not a complete outlier. But I’ll agree to disagree with that one since I definitely see what you’re saying

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#42 Posted by Hypnos0929 (6730 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyogre: If the symbiotes stomp then how do they get past Nomu or AFO? What's stopping AFO from leveling the city or stealing the powers of his team to enhance his own?

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#43 Posted by Cyogre (165 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyogre: If the symbiotes stomp then how do they get past Nomu or AFO? What's stopping AFO from leveling the city or stealing the powers of his team to enhance his own?

He gets blitzed? You okay?

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#44 Posted by Dadpool (301 posts) - - Show Bio

None of the symbiotes are tanking or contending with a multi-city block punch. Their tendrils will never tag AFO or All Might. Endeavor would vaporize them all with Prominence burn. MHA team, easily.

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#45 Edited by TheWatcherKing (18616 posts) - - Show Bio

@oreoghoul: That was before she had reached her full power like she did at the end of WW. Highly doubt she could have taken hits from Doomsday before that and sure.

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#46 Posted by Chronicplane (9399 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't see no reason why All Might can't one shot them all with a casual AoE punch, if nothing else a even remotely serious one would decimate.

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#48 Posted by Hypnos0929 (6730 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyogre: Prove how fast they are then. You act like every symbiote dwarfs them in speed lmao.

All it takes is one swing for them to decimate the symbiote people. And Endeavor burns hotter than any fire they've encountered according to science and reason. So what exactly is your reasoning to how the symbiotes win when they are fighting at least 2 people who could end them all in 1 hit, another they have no realistic way of killing, and one who could burn them to a crisp?

Also I want to see them tanking Human Torch's fire because I'm calling B.S. If they could do that on a regular basis it wouldn't be one of their most well known weaknesses. And are you seriously acting as if rocket fire has anywhere near the heat of Endeavor? The dude over powers regenerative abilities with his heat and can burn at temperatures that allow him to run on walls without burning completely through them or falling.

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#49 Posted by Pipxeroth (9376 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyogre: All Might casually destroys city blocks while holding back with a single punch.

Casually.

The symbiotes dont have answers MHA superior power.

Wut

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#50 Posted by Cyogre (165 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyogre: Prove how fast they are then. You act like every symbiote dwarfs them in speed lmao.

All it takes is one swing for them to decimate the symbiote people. And Endeavor burns hotter than any fire they've encountered according to science and reason. So what exactly is your reasoning to how the symbiotes win when they are fighting at least 2 people who could end them all in 1 hit, another they have no realistic way of killing, and one who could burn them to a crisp?

Also I want to see them tanking Human Torch's fire because I'm calling B.S. If they could do that on a regular basis it wouldn't be one of their most well known weaknesses. And are you seriously acting as if rocket fire has anywhere near the heat of Endeavor? The dude over powers regenerative abilities with his heat and can burn at temperatures that allow him to run on walls without burning completely through them or falling.

To the back of the head gets right back up
To the back of the head gets right back up
Point blank armor piercing rounds shotty
Point blank armor piercing rounds shotty
Smacking spider-man around, who's faster than the entire MHA verse in combat reactions due to spidey senses
Smacking spider-man around, who's faster than the entire MHA verse in combat reactions due to spidey senses
He's punching air just like all might would be stuck doing lmfao.
He's punching air just like all might would be stuck doing lmfao.
Blitzes spider-man, same guy who was dodging lasers due to spidey sense so FTL casual unless you don't believe the lasers make it a light speed feat, still faster than the MHA verse.
Blitzes spider-man, same guy who was dodging lasers due to spidey sense so FTL casual unless you don't believe the lasers make it a light speed feat, still faster than the MHA verse.
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I just showed you multiple occasions of fire not working............? How many more do you need? Point blank flamethrower from Punisher? I mean c'mon guy, just accept it already. End them all in one hit? LMFAO maybe you need to pick up some comic books my friend, but that's besides the point. Every symbiote DOES dwarf them in speed. MHA is not a fast verse lmfao.