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#1 Edited by The_Caped_Crusader (10533 posts) - - Show Bio

Akuma

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Saitama

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Rules

  • Win by any means, except BFR.
  • No preparation, random encounter.
  • Takes place on an abandoned, indestructible Earth.
  • Saitama gets Manga and Anime feats. No hype, power-scaling, or statements.
  • Akuma gets all feats (canon & non-canon).

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#2 Posted by The_Caped_Crusader (10533 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#3 Posted by Doctor_Wheatley (3226 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate.

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#4 Posted by NeonGameWave (19333 posts) - - Show Bio

Akuma.

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#5 Edited by deactivated-5c6c6de088804 (3539 posts) - - Show Bio

They should be pretty even, since we are taking into account Asura's Wrath feats, until Saitama gets the Shun Goku Satsu treatment. He doesn't have the feats, nor the statements to withstand something like that. Until then, his soul gets wrecked.

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#6 Edited by Overmonitor (1515 posts) - - Show Bio

Feats for Akuma?

Because Saitama has some actual feats that include:

Jumping from Moon to Earth, easily lifting and flipping Villain HQ (an entire building), punching a city-sized flying meteor (some meteors can wipe out most of life on Earth) into mostly energy and tiny pieces, OHKO'ing multiple class 100+ villains (imagine Superman one-punching Aquaman, impressive), the wind from a single punch devestated a mountain range against Genos and completely destroyed Boros and deflected the entireity of a supposed planet-busting attack, beat Lord Boros with only his right arm (afterwards Saitama admitted he didn't even have to try, he was still holding back), easily perceived and fought several people moving at supersonic+++ speeds, broke a supersonic sword-swing by biting the blade with his teeth at such speeds that Sonic (a speedster) couldn't even perceive what had happened, has created "infinite" afterimages with his speed, single-handedly killed half the fleet of Lord Boros' city-sized starship within 4 minutes, withstood the gravity of a black hole while scratching his head... and most of those are from the last 6 episodes of the 1st season. I left out plenty.

I know nothing of Akuma. Please impress me.

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#7 Posted by deactivated-5c6c6de088804 (3539 posts) - - Show Bio

@overmonitor: He has some cool feats: He sinked an island with a single punch, chopped a mountain in half, destroyed an asteroid that was endangering earth, fought against Asura in a crossover, and stalemated him(on base, and second form IIRC, and Asura was a planetary level guy, who punched to dust a giant god that was bigger than earth). Also he has an Hax ability called ''Shun Goku Satsu'' that attacks the soul of the opponent using his sins. It's almost impossible to withstand (to survive it you have to know some Chi control based on a martial art created by Gouken, a SF char).

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#8 Posted by TG_54 (544 posts) - - Show Bio

One punch man.. With one punch

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#9 Posted by Norin-Radd (673 posts) - - Show Bio

@caped_baldy: not really shun goku satsu's damage depends on the sins of the one who's getting the hit by it. And as far as I know Saitama isn't a sinner. So raging demon won't do much and the only akuma that can hurt Saitama is asura's wrath akuma other akuma's are non factors.

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#10 Edited by deactivated-5c6c6de088804 (3539 posts) - - Show Bio

@norin-radd: Killing IS a sin. Saitama has killed a lot, so...

The OP says that this is composite Akuma, man.

(Something funny, Gouken wasn't a sinner as far as i know, he was a good guy, but he had to block the Shun Goku satsu with his Chi and still got in a coma or something. So yeah, Oppai guy is screwed).

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#11 Posted by Overmonitor (1515 posts) - - Show Bio

@caped_baldy: Sounds like Akuma could pull it off. I will reserve judgment.

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#12 Edited by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

Akuma wins, and its rather easy.

Akuma Feats

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Akuma using his special attack to destroy a forest, split a a mesa, and sinking a island with his Special Move.

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Akuma Energy Blasts level military Bunkers and wipe out surrounding forest.

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Sinks to the bottom of ocean, and then Hurricane Kicks a ship from Ocean Floor to Surface, exploding said ship to pieces.

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Super Speed faster than the eye can see, even faster than already bullet timers can perceive.

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Tanks being kick from the sea shore up to the top of the snow peaks of a mountain fine. Blasted through the side of a Volcanoes that explodes.

Shin Akuma Feats

Overtake the soul of Ultimate Rugal who tried to possesd Akuma.

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Punch the sea apart.

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Jump into heaven to fight God himself.

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Punch a hole to Hell and beat on the devil.

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One shot a earth threatening meteor.

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Then add in all the other feats of canon Akuma to this, yeah the MK duo get one shot.

Oni Akuma Feats

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Flash freeze does nothing. Riding erupting lava explosions does nothing.

Then we have Oni feats vs Mantra Asura himself. Akuma taking out the moon in process and speed wise keeping up with Asura.

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And lets not forget Raging Demon that attacks the soul itself.

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With all that said, a composite Akuma pretty much owns the OPM universe.

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#14 Posted by jodema (923 posts) - - Show Bio

Saitama. His physicals are beyond.

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#15 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@jodema: proof they are beyond Akuma who blew in half the moon with a punch or how Saitima survives a soul killing attack?

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#16 Posted by Leo-343 (30909 posts) - - Show Bio

Akuma gets all feats (canon & non-canon).

Akuma pushes his shit in.

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#17 Posted by deactivated-5c6c6de088804 (3539 posts) - - Show Bio

@leo-343 said:

Akuma gets all feats (canon & non-canon).

Akuma pushes his shit in.

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#18 Edited by mechwalker (822 posts) - - Show Bio

Akuma takes this with his Asura's Wrath feats.

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#19 Posted by Frocharocha (6257 posts) - - Show Bio

With asura wrath fats akuma wins with mid difficulty.

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#20 Edited by azrael1973 (2756 posts) - - Show Bio
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Akuma wins!

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#21 Posted by TOATOAA (1195 posts) - - Show Bio

we are going by feats only ?

if so then the asura's wrath akuma is not someone to be messed with and he should win easy to mid diff

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#22 Posted by Kratosx64x (1171 posts) - - Show Bio

Akuma by pure feats if we count all non-canon feats.

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#23 Posted by Det_BatSuperman (164 posts) - - Show Bio

The guy whose thing is one shotting ridiculously powerful characters

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#24 Posted by TOATOAA (1195 posts) - - Show Bio

@det_batsuperman: you are going by his premise but sadly thats not how it works

we are going by actual feats only

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#25 Posted by Det_BatSuperman (164 posts) - - Show Bio

@toatoaa said:

@det_batsuperman: you are going by his premise but sadly thats not how it works

we are going by actual feats only

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Isnt him beating this guy count as a feat?

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#26 Posted by TOATOAA (1195 posts) - - Show Bio

@det_batsuperman: of course but asura's akuma can fight on par with asura who turned the entire planet into ashes and can fight at speeds faster than light

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#27 Posted by Det_BatSuperman (164 posts) - - Show Bio

@toatoaa said:

@det_batsuperman: of course but asura's akuma can fight on par with asura who turned the entire planet into ashes and can fight at speeds faster than light

Jeez thats impressive

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#28 Edited by TOATOAA (1195 posts) - - Show Bio
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#29 Posted by Det_BatSuperman (164 posts) - - Show Bio
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#30 Posted by qdavis44 (168 posts) - - Show Bio

Akuma wins via Hax.Raging Demon is no joke !

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#31 Posted by jodema (923 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: There was another debater, in another thread, who showed that Saitama merely jumping off of the moon damaged a significant portion of it, unintentionally. Also, isn't the damage of that soul attack contingent on the sins of the victim? Saitama is a hero, an odd one but a hero nonetheless.

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#32 Posted by Crafter (377 posts) - - Show Bio

Akuma.

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#33 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@jodema said:

@sirfizzwhizz: There was another debater, in another thread, who showed that Saitama merely jumping off of the moon damaged a significant portion of it, unintentionally. Also, isn't the damage of that soul attack contingent on the sins of the victim? Saitama is a hero, an odd one but a hero nonetheless.

Saitima damage the moon, but Akuma busted the moon. he also busted a earth life wiping Meteor from the sky too as Shin Akuma.

Allso no, the Raging Demon does not work on "sins". It works by murdering the soul. If sins was a needed thing...

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Then the non killing and pacifist monk that is Gouken would not been killed by it.

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#34 Posted by xlab3000 (3947 posts) - - Show Bio

Akuma reks.

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#36 Edited by colliderz (4756 posts) - - Show Bio

Akuma stomps

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#37 Posted by Marshall_Long (5648 posts) - - Show Bio

Akuma with ease.

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#38 Edited by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

OPM still gets rekt. Bump :)

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#39 Posted by NewWorldOrder (1776 posts) - - Show Bio

Akuma

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#40 Posted by literallywarped (5 posts) - - Show Bio

The Raging demon is a succession of 15 Chi-amped strikes in few seconds. That's not enough to be a threat for Saitama.

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OPM stomps.

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#41 Posted by xyphercool (79 posts) - - Show Bio

Composite Akuma? Akuma wins

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#42 Posted by onilordasmodeus (3411 posts) - - Show Bio

Composite Akuma probably would win, though I'd disagree with @sirfizzwhizz that the Ragin Demon would kill OPM. The RD is powerful, but against other skilled/powerful opponents, it lacks sufficient killing power.

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#43 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

@leo-343 said:

Akuma gets all feats (canon & non-canon).

Akuma pushes his shit in.

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#44 Edited by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@OniLordAsmodeus said:

Composite Akuma probably would win, though I'd disagree with @sirfizzwhizz that the Ragin Demon would kill OPM. The RD is powerful, but against other skilled/powerful opponents, it lacks sufficient killing power.

I never seen the move fail in canon, or crossovers first off, and how does skill stop a soul base attack? Not that it matters, OPM is not skilled. He has no MA training nor does he use skill to "one punch" foes with his overwhelming stats.

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#45 Posted by deactivated-59b71d5620272 (3438 posts) - - Show Bio

Akuma destroys.

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#46 Edited by onilordasmodeus (3411 posts) - - Show Bio

@OniLordAsmodeus said:

Composite Akuma probably would win, though I'd disagree with @sirfizzwhizz that the Ragin Demon would kill OPM. The RD is powerful, but against other skilled/powerful opponents, it lacks sufficient killing power.

I never seen the move fail in canon, or crossovers first off, and how does skill stop a soul base attack? Not that it matters, OPM is not skilled. He has no MA training nor does he use skill to "one punch" foes with his overwhelming stats.

The RD...

  • didn't kill Gouken, but it did put him in a coma for an extended period of time.
  • didn't kill Gen, Gen Blocked it.
  • didn't kill Bison's soul, Bison escaped it.
  • didn't kill Gill, Gill blocked it, escaped it, or something (I don't remember).

Bottom line is that OPM just isn't powerful enough to beat composite Akuma outright (IMO), but all of OPM's abilities taken into account, I'd say he'd escape the RD only for Akuma to get pissed and just punch OPM through the moon and into deep space.

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#47 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@OniLordAsmodeus:

Gouken died. In the Udon comics he did. Though he return as his soul made its way back.

Gen never blocked anything ever. Scan or YouTube of that?

Bison still died and jumped bodies. Worked fine to me.

Gill also shit down both Akuma and Ryu hadou. Not really a good example since he can shut their powers off in Udon comics.

I disagree. All the charcters mention either died physically and/or have soul manipulation ability. OPM has no soul manipulation so he would die as the rest had.

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#48 Posted by Sayo786 (562 posts) - - Show Bio

Asura isnt lightspeed and above in mantra form. His base is hypersonic and the only form which comes above LS is his destroyer form. Asura demon is in the high hypersonic tier and the only reason destroyer asura is above LS is because of his size. Its quite similar to how TTGL logic applies to us. Even if TTGL moves one set distance, it would seem extremely slow to him while to us, his arm crossing a distance proportional to his body would mean his arm travelling thousands of lightyears in a few moments.

Saitama himself is almost LS by feats in all categories. Its just that people are underestimating Raging Demon alot. Saitama is a huge sinner. The monsters often have families of their own and how some of them are merely defending their terrotery. Its more like how some monsters just wanted to exert their power over people and although they are performing bad deeds, they too were once victimized upon. This is hinted when we see that humans can be turned into monsters through twisted desires and monster pill. In every regard, saitama still should not outright kill them especially more so since he considers being a hero as merely a hobby.

Very few characters are resistant to RD and someone like supes would have a good resisstance while someone like saitama would be greatly affected by it. Bison and a few other characters are fan favorites inside a fking fighting game. Ofcourse they are going to survive through PIS.

Asura akuma has feats to tag saitama and raging demon being an OP hax where akuma can tag him. Taking into fighting mechanics of SF series, akuma gets a relatively huge boost when he performs RD and such a boost would be too much if its applied to his amped asura akuma speed feats. Saitama has a normal soul. His physical limiter got removed. He still has a normal brain. He would be destroyed if RD connects but akuma is not surviving a serious punch from saitama.

Asuras feats are with him doing thousands of punches. If saitama performs a thousand punch serious punch barrage, akuma would be decimated.

Akuma wins 6/10 only because his RD would erase saitama. His physicals are probably not the key factor here.

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#49 Posted by Gaoron (8729 posts) - - Show Bio

Akuma stomps

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#50 Posted by deactivated-59b71d5620272 (3438 posts) - - Show Bio

Akuma no diff the baldy.