Akainu and Aokiji vs Hashirama and EMS Madara

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Poll: Akainu and Aokiji vs Hashirama and EMS Madara (34 votes)

2 Admirals Dominate 35%
Duo Annihilates 21%
Could go either way 12%
Akainu solos by burning them with magma 0%
Aokiji solos via Flash Freeze 3%
Hashirama solos via Shinsu Senju 21%
EMS Madara solos via Perfect Sussano 9%
  • EMS Madara only and he starts in armored sussano
  • Hashirama starts wood golem
  • In Character but serious
  • Location: Punk Hazard
  • Starting distance: 65ft
  • No Knowledge/prep
  • Canon Feats only
  • Win by DEATH
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OP Edit: Kuruma Restricted

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Any admiral solo.

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@gilateen said:

OP Edit: Kuruma Restricted

add kurama and... Aokiji solos

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@eazy2002: Not adding Kurama, it wouldn’t be fair to be honest.

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@gilateen: kurama would have made the battle fair. but aokiji solos. aokiji is island level hashi and madara are multi mountain level

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@eazy2002: Hashirama & EMS Madara are Island lvl easy. Base on feats and power scaling the admirals are Island until they show better feats. It a close fight so Aokiji ain't solo anything.

BM Naruto were showing Island lvl & Hashirama & Madara are more powerful then him.

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@dbz1220: lol show me island level feat from EMS MADARA and hashirama

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#9  Edited By Earendill

Hashi still stomps the verse by feats.

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Going with both Admirals when Intang isn´t off.

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Can go either way, it will be hard for the Admirals to break through PS with their present feats, but it will be equally hard for Madara to deal any damage to them with logia on.

Hashirama is fodder tho.

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Naruto Duo stomps.

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Ninja duo win mid diff

lol @Hashirama being fodder when he's the strongest on the ninja team

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Ninja duo stomps

Madara can just Genjutsu them

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@eazy2002: U said they're Multi-Mountain but they did it casually. Here a few scans showing they even being more then just Island lvl

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Team 2.

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It took Akainu and Aokiji 10 days to terraform Punk Hazard. They're only island-level after continuous fighting.

Hashirama and Madara individually were spamming island-level per attack casually.

This isn't even a warm up for the duo. Either of them solo the verse.

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@shirso: Nobody here is fodder, Hashirama is like admiral level himself to be honest.

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@shirso said:

Can go either way, it will be hard for the Admirals to break through PS with their present feats, but it will be equally hard for Madara to deal any damage to them with logia on.

Hashirama is fodder tho.

Yeah you read the Manga when it came to the war arc when you say stupid things like Hashirama is fodder but not EMS Madara when Hashirama is much stronger than him

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@gilateen said:

@shirso: Nobody here is fodder, Hashirama is like admiral level himself to be honest.

LMAO no he isn't. He is a bit below

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@eazy2002: Yes, he is like admiral level, we both know that is true. You much really hate the series To be downplaying this much.

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@gilateen said:

@eazy2002: Yes he is, We both know that is true. You must really hate the series to downplaying this much.

why are u quick to assume I hate Naruto lol. Hahirama would contend with dudes like doffy and still get murdered

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Hashirama was slapping on majestic attire full kurama with the Wood Golem. Half of the Kurama was able to repel all of the Bijuu Bombs at once, and even six tails Naruto is calced at Island Level. So to say that Hashirama, who scales to the Full Nine Tails, is only Mountain level is ridiculous. Hashi and Madara should slap pretty easily.

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@eazy2002: you downplay every other series so....yeah. Your worst than Undre tbh.

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@gilateen: I know I always support onepiece no doubt. But I never down play

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@eazy2002: Well you make a lot of mismatches in favor of a character from a different series and argue in your own thread so yes, you downplay.

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@shirso said:

Can go either way, it will be hard for the Admirals to break through PS with their present feats, but it will be equally hard for Madara to deal any damage to them with logia on.

Hashirama is fodder tho.

Yeah you read the Manga when it came to the war arc when you say stupid things like Hashirama is fodder but not EMS Madara when Hashirama is much stronger than him

A number of things:

1) Madara's PS completely encloses and protects him, unlike any of Hashirama's wood constructs, so Hashirama is infinitely more vulnerable than Madara here to say a kilometers spanning flash freeze from Kuzan or a number of giant magma fists raining down from the sky from Akainu.

2) Madara has other means to harm the Admirals in spite of their logia intangibility, like Genjutsu or Fire style, while Hashirama is basically restricted to physical blunt force, which won't work for obvious reasons. Deep Forest Bloom won't work either as the pollen will never get close without melting to Akainu's passive heat and the forest itself can be easily frozen or burnt.

3) Hashirama's wood can be easily transmuted with Awakening while Awakening won't work on an energy construct like Susanoo.

So there you go, Hashirama is far more vulnerable than Madara to the duo's attacks here, lacks the means to effectively hurt them and his wood can be easily negged with Awakening, so yeah he is kind of the weak link here.

This is not DBZ, Hashirama having more raw power than Madara doesn't mean he will always be more effective than Madara against certain kinds of opponents.

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@gilateen said:

@eazy2002: Well you make a lot of mismatches in favor of a character from a different series and argue in your own thread so yes, you downplay.

What wrong with argueing in your own thread? And for u to feel Kuma vs momoshiki is a mismatch means u feel Kuma is superior. Look I don't downplay as in I don't downplay feats. but whatever

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#35  Edited By Gilateen  Online

@eazy2002: Its against the rules to do so. Quit being stupid, Momo vs kuma Is a mismatch in which momoshiki easily wins. Yes you do, you won’t take your favorite verse losing, obviously.

You Just admit it already because I don’t need this going off topic.

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@eazy2002: Its against the rules to do so. Quit being stupid, Momoshiki easily beats kuma. Yes you do, you won’t take your favorite verse losing, obviously.

lol ur getting salty cus I argue in my own thread, I always back onepiece, U think I downplay and because I make threads that U THINK are mismatches. ok.

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#37  Edited By Omnihater

Hashirama and Madara are not island, stop the drugs.

his thousand of blows left only a crater where both hashirama and madara are visible, island level nothing.

the bijudama that resisted was only comparable to 1 or 2 mountains, island nothing.

His makuton is cut by kyubi / susano, that cut only several mountains, hashirama mokuton can not resist MM attacks.

Admirals stomp individually, akainu tied with shirohige earthquakes that made tsunamis with kilometers lf heigh, not even a juubidama exploding in the water could do such thing.

Admirals are large island level, hashirama and madara are exaggerating MM, so any admiral solo stomps.

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#38  Edited By Woodward

How is Hashirama vulnerable when his Wood Golem protected him from a 100% Kurama TBB and 11 bladed TBB in Shinsuusenju?

How is Hashirama limited to blunt force attacks? Mokuton is the mixture of water and earth, former happens to be a Devil Fruit weakness. And Hashirama has Fuinjutsu, Flower Tree World, versatility etc.

It's amazing Shirso always keeps surprising us with his ignorance.

Hashirama or Madara solostomp. One Piece is nowhere near Naruto in power level.

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#39  Edited By Gilateen  Online

@eazy2002: Well yes you do downplay feats.

Ok then answer these:

If it’s not a mismatch then why is there no flame war? or barley any people in it?

If it’s not a mismatch then why isn’t anybody saying that YOUR character wins?

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#40  Edited By shirso

Mokuton is the mixture of water and earth, former happens to be a Devil Fruit weakness.

Yeah like Luffy didn't totally douse himself in water to fight Crocodile at MF...

Just read the manga before commenting on it bruh, it's not that hard.

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@shirso:

> Says read the manga.

> Manga says DF eaters drown and lose strength when they submerge in water.

You lack knowledge on the basics of your favourite manga. Must really suck for you...to know your favourite manga is quantifiably and universally accepted to be the weakest HST.

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So hashirama now has suiton?

Narutards everywhere xd....

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@woodward: You understand the weakness is only to still water right ?

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@shirso said:

This is not DBZ, Hashirama having more raw power than Madara doesn't mean he will always be more effective than Madara against certain kinds of opponents.

Nah this is CV, power level>>>>all

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#45  Edited By CaoCao

@woodward said:

How is Hashirama limited to blunt force attacks? Mokuton is the mixture of water and earth, former happens to be a Devil Fruit weakness. And Hashirama has Fuinjutsu, Flower Tree World, versatility etc.

And Ice is a mixture from cold wind and water, but Aokiji his Ice doesn´t have the side effect of water, that´s why his ice hasn´t the same negating abilities like water against DF users.

The same with Hashirama his Mokuton. Also by that logic, Aokiji could even freeze the Mokuton since water is one part of it.

Hashirama his Mokuton can´t hurt them, and most of his Jutsu needs physical contact.

The only ability that maybe would work are his flowers. That means if Aokiji or Sakazuki doesn´t destroy them.

Without intang this battle is more debatabe. With intang, either of the Admirals could solo tbh.

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Hashirama and Madara.

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#48  Edited By HitTheAssasin

A number of things:

1) Madara's PS completely encloses and protects him, unlike any of Hashirama's wood constructs, so Hashirama is infinitely more vulnerable than Madara here to say a kilometers spanning flash freeze from Kuzan or a number of giant magma fists raining down from the sky from Akainu.

Just popping in here to say this is pretty blatantly false, Hashirama has used wood constructs to completely defend himself from area of effect attacks that completely enclosed him before. Not just a random mook attack either, a Bijuudama from 100% Kurama:

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So protecting himself even while commanding other constructs really wouldn't be an issue, especially since be can create giant wood creatures to guard him at will anyway.

2) Madara has other means to harm the Admirals in spite of their logia intangibility, like Genjutsu or Fire style, while Hashirama is basically restricted to physical blunt force, which won't work for obvious reasons. Deep Forest Bloom won't work either as the pollen will never get close without melting to Akainu's passive heat and the forest itself can be easily frozen or burnt.

First of all: passive heat is hardly ever a consistent factor unless characters purposely make it into one. Sure, Akainu has that one feat of ashing a sword by moving past it, but compare that to all the times nothing has happened to the fodders in his immediate vicinity or even the ground and material around him and you'll find one is more consistent than the other. Not all too important, but something I wanted to clarify.

That aside, I think you're overselling logia "intangability". Yes, it allows for a certain amount of immunity to physical attacks by transmuting their bodies into elements, but as far as I'm aware nothing supports the implication that this ability is absolute. Where I'm going with this is that if Hashirama were to pull out his Buddha, or any other massive construct, and utilise their strikes to splatter Akainu and/or Aokiji across a mountain range worth of distance, what exactly suggests they could reform from that? Especially in time to finish a fight?

3) Hashirama's wood can be easily transmuted with Awakening while Awakening won't work on an energy construct like Susanoo.

Even setting aside the premise that this is indeed possible, what Awakening, exactly? Neither Akainu nor Aokiji have actually proven they can use this ability, and it's not like they're Paramecia types either, so we don't even know whether it would manifest in the same way.

So there you go, Hashirama is far more vulnerable than Madara to the duo's attacks here, lacks the means to effectively hurt them and his wood can be easily negged with Awakening, so yeah he is kind of the weak link here.

No offense, but I'm not seeing it. At all.

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#49  Edited By HitTheAssasin

@shirso: It would seem I forgot to tag you, but I decided to pay your argumentation a visit.