@takenstew22: I know I’m just trolling. 😭😭btw so who wins? I hope it isn’t a mismatch since Lots of people accept him from multi continental to universal +
@takenstew22: I know I’m just trolling. 😭😭btw so who wins? I hope it isn’t a mismatch since Lots of people accept him from multi continental to universal +
Idk. Only watched a few episodes of Bleach so far.
Aizen just uses KS to defeat every character here. Im not even going to entertain the idea that any of these characters can overcome KS, and Aizen doesnt even need to move to use it. Coming from someone who watched the Bleach anime once, but has watched DBZ through more than once.
@caocao: He doesnt need to engage any of the characters head-on. DB characters have historically shit piercing durability. Aizen just traps them in KS and cuts through their hearts. Frieza is probably the only one here who that might not work against, the fact that he is shown not suppressing his power (other than Transformations) means that hes probably just passively got his Ki barrier up at all times.
@eredin12: Aizen will use KS to lower their guard and then kill them while they are not expecting it, almost every time. Passive Ki Barriers dont exist, but Frieza has incredible durability among his peers in the series, his organs have different locations, and as soon as he is hit once, he will instantly raise a Ki Barrier. Thats if Frieza even lets his guard down, he doesnt trust anybody, let alone his subordinates. Unless Aizen beheads him in the first strike, Aizen will lose. For the majority of the fights here, Stats mean almost nothing. For every argument that exists for LS+ early DBZ, one exists against it. The same goes for Bleach. Speed isnt something Im really even willing to debate in either series, at least not unless the difference is obviously insurmountable, such as a fight between Bullet Timers and DBZ Characters
I guess every db character who is trapped in an illusion somehow lower his Ki level for no given reason and the best part is most of the people on this list are people who are full powered all the time. Everyone above Vegeta at this point in time never power down. Even if they are off guard their stats stay the same
With no hax resistance Aizen is effective against these guys. All Aizen has to do is replicate what he did with Toshiro, use KS to pretend they killed him, they let their guard down then Aizen cuts their head off. Goku for sure falls for that.
Aizen gets blitzed and one shotted by Saiyan Saga Goku and Vegeta, he would end up getting Reiatsu Crushed by them powering up in the vicinity but that's another discussion
@rdcdesmond: @whatamiseeing: You guys understand that other than Goku and Piccolo every other person in the gauntlet doesn't power down when they let their guard down right? All other people here have their Ki level on a regular base all the time meaning that even if they let their guards down their stats don't lower like they do with Goku or Piccolo who only keep their Ki level up when they are in a fighting situation.
A quick Break Down of Attack Potency for characters on this last
Piccolo (BOZ)
Attack Potency using real world science would be at least Small Planetary, as Piccolo's Moon Feat takes that much force at a minimum.I'll just low ball and say Moon Level, though.
At least Relativistic Speed scaling off OG Dragon Ball.
Ki Blast Definitively proven to be Rel
Goku (BOZ)
Same as Piccolo
Raditz
Low ball to Small Planetary Attack Potency since Piccolo's feat was feat was already at that level and Raditz is 3-4x BOZ Goku and Piccolo.
Whether or not you think he can bust a Planet / DC as nothing to do with Potency of his Attacks
FTL Reaction Speed, as Piccolo's moon blast is Rel while Raditz is billions of miles closer to Piccolo then Moon was
Nappa
Planetary AP
Whether or not you think his DC is at that level is irrelevant to his AP
Speed should above Raditz.
Goku (Saiyan Saga)
Large Planetary AP while in Kaio Ken x3-4 as he overpowered Vegeta's Best Attack
Absolutely FTL with Kaio Ken even if you low ball
Vegeta (Saiyan Saga)
Large Planetary Attack Potency (I'd say around Neptune-Jupiter)
Planetary Destructive Capacity (although size is never specified or given a cap)
Easily FTL
Zarbon
Large Planetary+ AP
Captain Ginyu
Large Planet +++ - Multi-Planet AP
Frieza (First Form)
Multi Planet+ AP
Proven to haven Large Planetary DC
Should realistically be MFTL (as in 100x FTL)
There should honestly be a Ginyu force member between Zarbon and Captain Ginyu
The gap between Zarbon and Jeice/ Burter/ Reccome is massive
And Captain Ginyu is above his subordinate Ginyu Force members the same way
Hard stop at 8. Basically everyone from 5-7 is comparable. The difference between Zarbon and Captain Ginyu is insane. I think comparable speed to Zarbon and under is arguable, and he has the hax to edge out any advantage they have in speed, ap, and durability. And I am basing this only on the anime/manga. I have no idea what his novel feats are.
He can trick people into thinking they have their defenses up, thinking they powered up, etc, but I don't see how he'd trick anyone into being slower than himself. He could briefly make them think that with some hypnosis and a few well-timed dodges, they'd catch on pretty fast.
Unless these characters have resistance to Absolute Hypnosis, which I'm pretty sure they don't.
Many times tiers have been injured when their guard is down even sometimes it being done by weaker oppenents or even if you are around their level of your guard is down you are more prone to receiving more damage
@rdcdesmond: The first two scans show that they get effected by it, staggered or flew away. None of them made any damage on their opponents. You guys are arguing that it will cut their head of clean. Getting staggered =/= taking damage.
You can get punched by your little siblings on your nose when caught off guard and get a blackout for a sec but you won't take any damage from it.
Cell and Gohan at that point were at a similar level same goes for Goku and Vegeta. This is not the case here.
So if you can't show me that someone far below his opponent gave them actual damage like making them bleed, shown scratches or showing any signs of getting really hurt my point still stands. As long as their Ki level is up an attack far below their stats won't hurt them.
@haxxxz: Not needed. As long as Aizen can't hurt his opponent there is nothing he can do to put them down. KS is useful as a distraction but in a 1 v 1 situation not combat appliable because other than hypnosis it has no perks. And putting someone like Freeza under hypnosis and attack him will do nothing because his durability and endurance is far above anyting Aizen can dish out and a AoE attack from Freeza would kill Aizen.
There's literally nothing he can do to Frieza. Hell, I got another argument for Vegeta. He'd eventually get frustrated and just explosive wave and Aizen would get hit by it. Could he tank one? Not sure. Vegeta has too many outs.
There's literally nothing he can do to Frieza. Hell, I got another argument for Vegeta. He'd eventually get frustrated and just explosive wave and Aizen would get hit by it. Could he tank one? Not sure. Vegeta has too many outs.
wait for me to wake up it seems I got a lowballer in my mentios
There's literally nothing he can do to Frieza. Hell, I got another argument for Vegeta. He'd eventually get frustrated and just explosive wave and Aizen would get hit by it. Could he tank one? Not sure. Vegeta has too many outs.
wait for me to wake up it seems I got a lowballer in my mentios
Aren't you the same person who's lowballing Bleach on a Naruto thread?
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