Aizen Bleach vs. Momoshiki and Jigen Naruto (speed equalized)

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Just cuz the strongest dude in the verse has no illusion resistance feats and cuz he couldn't release himself from KS doesn't mean is suppose to be anything, that was not the first time Almighty failed to counter something lol, Ichigo's attacks, GT, Antithesis, it was even said that he could deal with Almighty cuz he could interfere with his clairvoyance, this is a anti-feat for Yhwach. Narutoverse on the other hand has illusion tiers and even characters with powers to release themselves from illusions can fall for several ones and even those with eyes to see through illusions are still vulnerable to certain users's genjutsus. Six Paths level Rinnegan allows one to counter jutsu like IT, which is above any genjutsu in the verse, even Itachi could simulate an entire lifespan inside his Tsukuyomi, not let KS is a big deal. Somethings do never change.

Regardless, let's see how EHF deals with this :)

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#52  Edited By CocoUssyBreaker

@epichotflame said:
@leothegreatest said:

Nothing in Naruto can counter Kyoka Suigetsu.

lol itachi has been countering illusions that controls the 5 senses, sasuke's EMS>>itachi's and otsutuski's transformed golden rinnegan is logically >>sasuke's EMS....

KS targets the five senses of soul and their reikaku. Not the physical body.

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@cocoussybreaker said:

Where do I start?

Jigen:

1. Hax:Black rods: Aizen has resistance feats of moving after been paralyzed. Jigen will get a 5-minute timeframe at least to do what he wants but that will be useless thanks to Aizen's immortality and Hogyoku.

when has aizen resisted being paralysed? and how much immobilisation can he resist? cuz more black rods in ur body=the stronger the immobilisation would become and a weaker member (momo) could spam more than 8 simultaneously, so it depends how much rods aizen has in his body and in this case both otsutsukis can spam that attack casually

Shrinking: That will do nothing against Aizen who can easily see him with Reiakaku which allows a shinigami to see their opponents as a mass of energy in the midst of battle.

can i see aizen using reiakaku seeing a microscopic being? if not, stop ur assumption

Aizen was paralyzed and resisted the Underbelly, it took him about 5 minutes to get out of that hax and was still conscious which according to Nananana should had left Aizen unconscious. Reiakaku is used by all Shinigami in combat and unless Jigen has resistance to been sense in that form, Aizen can see and sense him since Aizen can sense things happening in other dimensions; like sensing Aizen sensing that Ichigo went to Royal Guard dimension before him, or like sensing Ichigo fighting Yhwach in the Royal Guard dimension will being in Soul Society, sensing Yhwach's power been destroyed by Kazui on Earth and disappearing from Soul Society while been locked up in the Muken void dimension. As proved by Naruto and Sasuke Jigen can still be sensed in his shrink form.

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#54  Edited By CocoUssyBreaker

@joviolma said:

Just cuz the strongest dude in the verse has no illusion resistance feats and cuz he couldn't release himself from KS doesn't mean is suppose to be anything, that was not the first time Almighty failed to counter something lol, Ichigo's attacks, GT, Antithesis, it was even said that he could deal with Almighty cuz he could interfere with his clairvoyance, this is a anti-feat for Yhwach. Narutoverse on the other hand has illusion tiers and even characters with powers to release themselves from illusions can fall for several ones and even those with eyes to see through illusions are still vulnerable to certain users's genjutsus. Six Paths level Rinnegan allows one to counter jutsu like IT, which is above any genjutsu in the verse, even Itachi could simulate an entire lifespan inside his Tsukuyomi, not let KS is a big deal. Somethings do never change.

Regardless, let's see how EHF deals with this :)

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@epichotflame:

1. Don't know what immobilization or resistant to it means,it's not an ability.

2.it doesn't matter if the countries are called lands. It wasn't called lands in that scenario. Read it properly,it's like Sasuke knew someone would misinterpret him and he proceeded to use several adjectives to convey his words.

It would take out all "THESE" surrounding lands "HERE" with it.

Notice the word "These" and "Here", they are words used to refer to things in your immediate vicinity ( in this case the stadium they where in). Now what's your reason for assuming Lands mean counties instead of its regular meaning.In anycase arguing about this is irrelevant to the current battle, so I'll leave you to what you think.

3. oh Right. so the golden rinnegan is some superior rinnegan. Does this superior rinnegan have the feats you're suggesting? Nope. Thought so.

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#56  Edited By MattyBoi

Any on team 2 solo stomps hard.

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#57  Edited By Saxz

@epichotflame:

If someone is KO'd due to physical force, it is as a result of immense damage. Damage which won't work on Aizen,because he has endured far worse.

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#58  Edited By Saxz

@joviolma:

KS ≠ Genjutsu. Stop mixing up their weaknesses and passing them off as resistances.

There are few if any that truly have resistance to mind manipulation outside of the Narutoverse.

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@joviolma said:

Just cuz the strongest dude in the verse has no illusion resistance feats and cuz he couldn't release himself from KS doesn't mean is suppose to be anything, that was not the first time Almighty failed to counter something lol, Ichigo's attacks, GT, Antithesis, it was even said that he could deal with Almighty cuz he could interfere with his clairvoyance, this is a anti-feat for Yhwach. Narutoverse on the other hand has illusion tiers and even characters with powers to release themselves from illusions can fall for several ones and even those with eyes to see through illusions are still vulnerable to certain users's genjutsus. Six Paths level Rinnegan allows one to counter jutsu like IT, which is above any genjutsu in the verse, even Itachi could simulate an entire lifespan inside his Tsukuyomi, not let KS is a big deal. Somethings do never change.

Regardless, let's see how EHF deals with this :)

lol k, bruh XD

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@epichotflame said:
@leothegreatest said:

Nothing in Naruto can counter Kyoka Suigetsu.

lol itachi has been countering illusions that controls the 5 senses, sasuke's EMS>>itachi's and otsutuski's transformed golden rinnegan is logically >>sasuke's EMS....

KS targets the five senses of soul and their reikaku. Not the physical body.

can i see where it says five sense of a soul or ur adding ur own headcannon to it? i understand bleach a soul based anime but u cant make assumptions like that cuz souls doesnt have 5 senses, in the first place lol

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@cocoussybreaker:

Jigen couldn't be sensed in his shrinked form. He could be seen by Sasuke's sharingan magnification ability though.

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#62  Edited By CocoUssyBreaker

@epichotflame said:
@cocoussybreaker said:
@epichotflame said:
@leothegreatest said:

Nothing in Naruto can counter Kyoka Suigetsu.

lol itachi has been countering illusions that controls the 5 senses, sasuke's EMS>>itachi's and otsutuski's transformed golden rinnegan is logically >>sasuke's EMS....

KS targets the five senses of soul and their reikaku. Not the physical body.

can i see where it says five sense of a soul or ur adding ur own headcannon to it? i understand bleach a soul based anime but u cant make assumptions like that cuz souls doesnt have 5 senses, in the first place lol

What is KS affecting when you have 2 souls fighting each other? A physical body that's non-existence?

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Aizen was paralyzed and resisted the Underbelly, it took him about 5 minutes to get out of that hax and was still conscious which according to Nananana should had left Aizen unconscious.

lol it took him 5 minutes? not even instantly, jigen and momo will just keep spamming rods along the battle and then K.O's aizen with a punch

Reiakaku is used by all Shinigami in combat and unless Jigen has resistance to been sense in that form, Aizen can see and sense him since Aizen can sense things happening in other dimensions; like sensing Aizen sensing that Ichigo went to Royal Guard dimension before him, or like sensing Ichigo fighting Yhwach in the Royal Guard dimension will being in Soul Society, sensing Yhwach's power been destroyed by Kazui on Earth and disappearing from Soul Society while been locked up in the Muken void dimension. As proved by Naruto and Sasuke Jigen can still be sensed in his shrink form.

aizen sensed ppl with reishi, even at that jigen is too small for aizen to pin point the exact location he is (cuz even at that size, jigen can still move at his normal size's speed) and jigen's durability should be= if not> than naruto's and we already know how insane Base naruto's durability is, with that said, jigen can perfectly tag aizen in that microscopic form and one shot/K.O aizen (jigen could tag naruto with the same lvl of sensing aizen has)

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@epichotflame said:
@cocoussybreaker said:

Aizen was paralyzed and resisted the Underbelly, it took him about 5 minutes to get out of that hax and was still conscious which according to Nananana should had left Aizen unconscious.

lol it took him 5 minutes? not even instantly, jigen and momo will just keep spamming rods along the battle and then K.O's aizen with a punch

Reiakaku is used by all Shinigami in combat and unless Jigen has resistance to been sense in that form, Aizen can see and sense him since Aizen can sense things happening in other dimensions; like sensing Aizen sensing that Ichigo went to Royal Guard dimension before him, or like sensing Ichigo fighting Yhwach in the Royal Guard dimension will being in Soul Society, sensing Yhwach's power been destroyed by Kazui on Earth and disappearing from Soul Society while been locked up in the Muken void dimension. As proved by Naruto and Sasuke Jigen can still be sensed in his shrink form.

aizen sensed ppl with reishi, even at that jigen is too small for aizen to pin point the exact location he is (cuz even at that size, jigen can still move at his normal size's speed) and jigen's durability should be= if not> than naruto's and we already know how insane Base naruto's durability is, with that said, jigen can perfectly tag aizen in that microscopic form and one shot/K.O aizen (jigen could tag naruto with the same lvl of sensing aizen has)

Refer to my post #43.

Aizen can't sense reishi that is a spiritual matter. You mean Reiatsu the pressure of Reiryoku which is spiritual energy.

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@saxz said:

@epichotflame:

1. Don't know what immobilization or resistant to it means,it's not an ability.

someone has already given me aizen's resistance to it (which isnt as impressive as i thought) and ur here telling me there is no such thing, k and its same thing as saying resistance to soul suck, etc

2.it doesn't matter if the countries are called lands. It wasn't called lands in that scenario. Read it properly,it's like Sasuke knew someone would misinterpret him and he proceeded to use several adjectives to convey his words.

yh several as in multiple, duh

It would take out all "THESE" surrounding lands "HERE" with it.

surrounding lands here implying to the surrounding lands around land of fire

Notice the word "These" and "Here", they are words used to refer to things in your immediate vicinity ( in this case the stadium they where in). Now what's your reason for assuming Lands mean counties instead of its regular meaning.In anycase arguing about this is irrelevant to the current battle, so I'll leave you to what you think.

i dunno, man. Again, im not narutoverse that decided to call countries lands

3. oh Right. so the golden rinnegan is some superior rinnegan. Does this superior rinnegan have the feats you're suggesting? Nope. Thought so.

yes logically its superior, its like saying gold d roger is weak cuz he barely has feats or manga soul king is weak cuz he has no feats....basic rinnegan was achieved by humans (specifically madara), the golden rinnegan was achieved by otsutsukis evolving/transforming

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@saxz said:

@epichotflame:

If someone is KO'd due to physical force, it is as a result of immense damage. Damage which won't work on Aizen,because he has endured far worse.

he got K.O'd by yhawch, dont tell me bs

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@saxz: I mean, I didn't denied this but they are illusory techniques and genjutsu has tiers as proved with feats, not sure how this changes what I said, IT > KS so the advantage still with Momo's doujutsu

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@epichotflame:

Except basic rinnegan has no

such feats, so why are you bringing it up just because you think the golden rinnegan is superior to basic rinnegan.

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@epichotflame said:

can i see where it says five sense of a soul or ur adding ur own headcannon to it? i understand bleach a soul based anime but u cant make assumptions like that cuz souls doesnt have 5 senses, in the first place lol

What is KS affecting when you have 2 souls fighting each other? A physical body that's non-existence?

its meant to affect 5 senses as stated, there is no addition or subtraction from what it can do

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#70  Edited By EpicHotFlame
@cocoussybreaker said:
@epichotflame said:
@cocoussybreaker said:

Aizen was paralyzed and resisted the Underbelly, it took him about 5 minutes to get out of that hax and was still conscious which according to Nananana should had left Aizen unconscious.

lol it took him 5 minutes? not even instantly, jigen and momo will just keep spamming rods along the battle and then K.O's aizen with a punch

Reiakaku is used by all Shinigami in combat and unless Jigen has resistance to been sense in that form, Aizen can see and sense him since Aizen can sense things happening in other dimensions; like sensing Aizen sensing that Ichigo went to Royal Guard dimension before him, or like sensing Ichigo fighting Yhwach in the Royal Guard dimension will being in Soul Society, sensing Yhwach's power been destroyed by Kazui on Earth and disappearing from Soul Society while been locked up in the Muken void dimension. As proved by Naruto and Sasuke Jigen can still be sensed in his shrink form.

aizen sensed ppl with reishi, even at that jigen is too small for aizen to pin point the exact location he is (cuz even at that size, jigen can still move at his normal size's speed) and jigen's durability should be= if not> than naruto's and we already know how insane Base naruto's durability is, with that said, jigen can perfectly tag aizen in that microscopic form and one shot/K.O aizen (jigen could tag naruto with the same lvl of sensing aizen has)

Refer to my post #43.

Aizen can't sense reishi that is a spiritual matter. You mean Reiatsu the pressure of Reiryoku which is spiritual energy.

yes reistsu which jigen doesnt have chakra=/=reistsu in this case

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@joviolma:

While I do believe IT is above KS with its feats, why are we assuming Momo has resistance to IT. It's never proven or implied he has Kaguya's IT doujutsu or it's resistance.

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@epichotflame:

What manga did you read? he wasn't KO'd by Yhwach. The dude has survived having his hearts and lungs disintegrated and having his brain split in two and vaped. How the hell is he getting knocked out, I am curious.

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@saxz: For already stated reasons though, Six paths level characters with Rinnegan can counter IT and Momo's Byakugan should be far superior to Ao who could also saw through illusions Obito applied to control the Mizukage.

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@joviolma:

Stated reasons? Sasuke's rinnegan could counter IT,That was the only thing stated. Momo technically isn't in the six path family as that started from Kaguya,And you can obviously see the difference between both thier eyes. As Kaguya posseses a Rinne-sharingan of sort.

Ao being able to see irregular chakra flow caused by Genjutsu is relevant why?. When Ao sees through Genjutsu via noticing the irregular chakra flow, like he did in the Kage summit when he exposed Danzou Genjutsu on the samurai.

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@cocoussybreaker said:
@epichotflame said:
@cocoussybreaker said:

Aizen was paralyzed and resisted the Underbelly, it took him about 5 minutes to get out of that hax and was still conscious which according to Nananana should had left Aizen unconscious.

lol it took him 5 minutes? not even instantly, jigen and momo will just keep spamming rods along the battle and then K.O's aizen with a punch

Reiakaku is used by all Shinigami in combat and unless Jigen has resistance to been sense in that form, Aizen can see and sense him since Aizen can sense things happening in other dimensions; like sensing Aizen sensing that Ichigo went to Royal Guard dimension before him, or like sensing Ichigo fighting Yhwach in the Royal Guard dimension will being in Soul Society, sensing Yhwach's power been destroyed by Kazui on Earth and disappearing from Soul Society while been locked up in the Muken void dimension. As proved by Naruto and Sasuke Jigen can still be sensed in his shrink form.

aizen sensed ppl with reishi, even at that jigen is too small for aizen to pin point the exact location he is (cuz even at that size, jigen can still move at his normal size's speed) and jigen's durability should be= if not> than naruto's and we already know how insane Base naruto's durability is, with that said, jigen can perfectly tag aizen in that microscopic form and one shot/K.O aizen (jigen could tag naruto with the same lvl of sensing aizen has)

Refer to my post #43.

Aizen can't sense reishi that is a spiritual matter. You mean Reiatsu the pressure of Reiryoku which is spiritual energy.

yes reistsu which jigen doesnt have chakra=/=reistsu in this case

Chakra is half-spiritual energy which can still be sensed.

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I'm not talking about Kaguya possessing a Rinnegan, I'm talking about the fact that Momo is a six paths level character and possess the Rinnegan, Rinnegan by itself is already a six paths power as it comes from Hagoromo in Earth, Momoshiki has a Rinnegan he should fall under the same category as the other Rinnegan, specially when he is a natural user.

And what the flow thing even has to do like it makes any difference though ? :thonk: Byakugan is confirmed to surpass completely the power of the sharingan when it comes to perspective power and the sharingan do is able to see and break illusions that don't need any chakra flow control, even Sasuke could break free of Itachi's Tsukuyomi with his 3 tomoe sharingan cuz the mastery of his doujutsu, Momo possess his doujutsu for far more time than Sasuke as well the Rinnegan on his forehead, he should be able to deal with illusions just fine in a similar manner a six paths level Rinnegan did.

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I mean... Naruto has negative emotion sensing, something KS doesn't target so he'd be fine vs KS.

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I am confused by the Naruto side of the argument here... Few points maybe some of you can hit on.

1: I am fine with Momo being able to stop KS on himself, but Jigen doesn't have the luxury.

2: Black Rods, which it seems like 90% of the Naruto side seem to be referencing, disrupt chakra to immobilize people. Aizen doesn't have Chakra. It literally shouldn't do much other then pierce him, and even that is a stretch given Narutoverses pretty much universal lackluster piercing resistance, and Bleach being well known for such things.

But the main point is why are we arguing outlier, probably ineffective techniques to begin with? OP doesn't have the usual Bleach stipulations, like no Soul Crush and that Aizen can be seen/interacted with. Arguing those things is not any fun, but when your throwing out crazy stuff like "Jigen can't be seen", against someone whose sensory abilities are top notch... It just devolves the argument into the usual Naruto x Bleach stuff. No one really wants that, as it solves nothing.

Stick to main powers and abilities, and be objective in what they can or cannot do. While I do think Aizen wins, I have said it before, I can certainly see Momoshiki winning as well, so much so that you could probably convince me with real arguments as opposed to outlier stuff.

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@saxz said:

@epichotflame:

Except basic rinnegan has no

such feats, so why are you bringing it up just because you think the golden rinnegan is superior to basic rinnegan.

its superior to sharigan, in the sense that its an evolved sharigan

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@joviolma:

Except the only doujutsu that is shown and stated to breaks illusions are sharingan and Rinnesharingan.

The rinnegan and Byakugan has no such feats, as a matter of fact the Rinnegan has several antifeat against illusions. So blending all the whole doujutsu together and giving them each other feats,just because it's used by a higher user doesn't work, each doujutsu are all special in their own way.

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@epichotflame:

As shown The Rinnegan being an evolved sharigan doesn't mean it still has its sharingan abilities, it doesn't even have the most basic sharingan ability of precog, neither does it have it's illusion breaking ability or ability to see chakra.

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@saxz: ???? It was never stated that Rinnesharingan breaks through genjutsu, the Rinnesharingan is just a fusion of Rinnegan and Sharingan and the only illusory powers Kaguya is confirmed to use comes from her Sharingan part, and the Byakugan when it comes to the perceptive power is confirmed to be above the Sharingan and the sharingan's perceptions allows the user to see the reality beyond spells cast on him the user, add this with Momo being at the six paths level and possessing a Rinnegan he should be able to dispel illusions of that caliber.

The only anti-feat for Rinnegan was Nagato falling for a sound based Genjutsu and we know very well he didn't had access to the entirety of Madara's powers(Limbo, Susano'o) and outright stated that he was below the ones like the sage for example. And I'm not really seeing the point, sharingan users also fell for illusions why would a Rinnegan and Byakugan user for any reason be something bad.

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??????????? The Rinnegan can see chakra this was proved in the fight against Guy and in the novel where it was outright stated that Sasuke's Rinnegan could see the chakra stream Momo started pulling the Rinnegan only lost the analytical prediction/photographic memory and the power to cast genjutsu of the sharingan, but others powers for example are developed as it allows the user a higher ability when it comes to code breaking, the user can still cast the Susano'o(As long the user is a natural user) and this power is connected to his Rinnegan as proved with Sasuke, etc. Sasuke's Rinnegan also resisting IT is a proof it still wielding the genjutsu resistance power of the Sharingan.

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#84  Edited By UltimateSage

> no one can counter KS durr

> KS = basic Genjutsu lv illusion

...lmao

Inb4"beyond lv aizen

Jigen literally punches Aizen's head off the rest of his body

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@joviolma:

the Byakugan is indeed above sharingan in perceptive power, as it has telescopic vision and an even better X-ray vision than the sharingan could hope for.

But how does that translate to them having the sharingan's ability to break illusions, I think that's a lot of assumptions because sharingan is the only doujutsu known for their notoriety in the illusion arts, none other, it's not like we are assuming byakugan has precognition only on the basis of it having a better perceptive power.

IIRC itachi also hit Nagato with a Genjutsu, so the Jiraiya is not the only one.

My point is the rinnegan and Byakugan(evolved or not) has nothing to do with illusions.The only reason I think Momo can't dispel illusions is because he lacks the key ingredients for all this Genjutsu stuff- The sharingan.

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The rinnegan does indeed see chakra, I forgot about that.

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Itachi has Genjutsued nagato before??lol that's news to me

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#88  Edited By JOVIOLMA  Online

Both have x-ray vision though, the Byakugan mostly allows one to see the entire chakra pathway system of someone, but since we know that the reason why the Sharingan can see through illusions is because it's perceptions can see through the illusory effects and this perception is inferior to that of the Byakugan a user with mastery of his Sharingan would be inferior to someone who mastered the Byakugan and the the perceptive power of it would allow the user to see through illusions.

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And that's not the only actual reason the sharingan is feared it was make clear twice that it's ability to predict, copy jutsus and attacks as well tame the Bijuus is what makes it a fearful thing, the Byakugan is above perceptive power of the sharingan and the perceptive power of it allows one to see through illusions, that's all, it simple means a byakugan user can counter illusions better than a sharingan one however he can't accomplish the same effects that only the Sharingan have(Genjutsu, Photographic memory, Mind control)

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Itachi also didn't hit Nagato with a genjutsu, he killed him with Totsuka Blade and only attacked him with Susano'o and Amaterasu, Genjutsu was never a thing in that fight. And no one is saying that it has anything to do with illusions, is obviously they are unable to cast genjutsu like the sharingan but do is a fact that the penetrative perception ability of the Sharingan is what allows the user to see through the illusions and reality and this ability is inferior to that of the Byakugan and the fact that a Six Paths Rinnegan user can counter the effects of IT which is above any genjutsu in Narutoverse.

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2: Black Rods, which it seems like 90% of the Naruto side seem to be referencing, disrupt chakra to immobilize people. Aizen doesn't have Chakra. It literally shouldn't do much other then pierce him, and even that is a stretch given Narutoverses pretty much universal lackluster piercing resistance, and Bleach being well known for such things.

lol k, pls can i now see where is says the rods disrupts chakra IN ORDER to immobilise victims

But the main point is why are we arguing outlier, probably ineffective techniques to begin with? OP doesn't have the usual Bleach stipulations, like no Soul Crush and that Aizen can be seen/interacted with. Arguing those things is not any fun, but when your throwing out crazy stuff like "Jigen can't be seen", against someone whose sensory abilities are top notch... It just devolves the argument into the usual Naruto x Bleach stuff. No one really wants that, as it solves nothing.

Stick to main powers and abilities, and be objective in what they can or cannot do. While I do think Aizen wins, I have said it before, I can certainly see Momoshiki winning as well, so much so that you could probably convince me with real arguments as opposed to outlier stuff.

how is being microscopic an outlier? jigen doesnt stay microscopic but he turns microscopic to attack, likewise his rods, as well..being unseeable due to different universes is different from not being seen due to the ability of jigen

jigen's rods still one shots

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@saxz: he still gets immobilised, absorbed and then knocked out...knocking out doesnt have anything to do with damaging the body

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#91  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

Kyoka Suigetsu resisted Nullification from the Almighty, worked on characters who have sensed through illusion and has affected around 8 senses on panel.

Anyone still saying that it’s basic genjutsu level just sounds like a flat earther.

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@epichotflame said:
@cocoussybreaker said:
@epichotflame said:
@cocoussybreaker said:

Aizen was paralyzed and resisted the Underbelly, it took him about 5 minutes to get out of that hax and was still conscious which according to Nananana should had left Aizen unconscious.

lol it took him 5 minutes? not even instantly, jigen and momo will just keep spamming rods along the battle and then K.O's aizen with a punch

Reiakaku is used by all Shinigami in combat and unless Jigen has resistance to been sense in that form, Aizen can see and sense him since Aizen can sense things happening in other dimensions; like sensing Aizen sensing that Ichigo went to Royal Guard dimension before him, or like sensing Ichigo fighting Yhwach in the Royal Guard dimension will being in Soul Society, sensing Yhwach's power been destroyed by Kazui on Earth and disappearing from Soul Society while been locked up in the Muken void dimension. As proved by Naruto and Sasuke Jigen can still be sensed in his shrink form.

aizen sensed ppl with reishi, even at that jigen is too small for aizen to pin point the exact location he is (cuz even at that size, jigen can still move at his normal size's speed) and jigen's durability should be= if not> than naruto's and we already know how insane Base naruto's durability is, with that said, jigen can perfectly tag aizen in that microscopic form and one shot/K.O aizen (jigen could tag naruto with the same lvl of sensing aizen has)

Refer to my post #43.

Aizen can't sense reishi that is a spiritual matter. You mean Reiatsu the pressure of Reiryoku which is spiritual energy.

yes reistsu which jigen doesnt have chakra=/=reistsu in this case

Chakra is half-spiritual energy which can still be sensed.

not as efficient as sensing the full spiritual energy tho and i would need a feat for them detecting a microscopic half-energy source

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lol k, pls can i now see where is says the rods disrupts chakra IN ORDER to immobilise victims

how is being microscopic an outlier? jigen doesnt stay microscopic but he turns microscopic to attack, likewise his rods, as well..being unseeable due to different universes is different from not being seen due to the ability of jigen

jigen's rods still one shots

Uh what? That is literally all the rods do. They pierce people and disrupt chakra. Since piercing doesn't immobilize anything, whats left? Its not exactly rocket science.

No amount of piercing one shots Aizen. He is immortal. I do not care if you think Jigen wins, but he doesn't win that way. That is just a fact.

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Aizen wins regardless of speed, Momo is fodder imo and Jigen needs feats.

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"Jigen needs feats"

Does anyone wanna tell him?

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@cocoussybreaker said:
@epichotflame said:
@cocoussybreaker said:
@epichotflame said:
@cocoussybreaker said:

Aizen was paralyzed and resisted the Underbelly, it took him about 5 minutes to get out of that hax and was still conscious which according to Nananana should had left Aizen unconscious.

lol it took him 5 minutes? not even instantly, jigen and momo will just keep spamming rods along the battle and then K.O's aizen with a punch

Reiakaku is used by all Shinigami in combat and unless Jigen has resistance to been sense in that form, Aizen can see and sense him since Aizen can sense things happening in other dimensions; like sensing Aizen sensing that Ichigo went to Royal Guard dimension before him, or like sensing Ichigo fighting Yhwach in the Royal Guard dimension will being in Soul Society, sensing Yhwach's power been destroyed by Kazui on Earth and disappearing from Soul Society while been locked up in the Muken void dimension. As proved by Naruto and Sasuke Jigen can still be sensed in his shrink form.

aizen sensed ppl with reishi, even at that jigen is too small for aizen to pin point the exact location he is (cuz even at that size, jigen can still move at his normal size's speed) and jigen's durability should be= if not> than naruto's and we already know how insane Base naruto's durability is, with that said, jigen can perfectly tag aizen in that microscopic form and one shot/K.O aizen (jigen could tag naruto with the same lvl of sensing aizen has)

Refer to my post #43.

Aizen can't sense reishi that is a spiritual matter. You mean Reiatsu the pressure of Reiryoku which is spiritual energy.

yes reistsu which jigen doesnt have chakra=/=reistsu in this case

Chakra is half-spiritual energy which can still be sensed.

not as efficient as sensing the full spiritual energy tho and i would need a feat for them detecting a microscopic half-energy source

Sensing a being in another dimension is a more impressive feat than detecting someone on a microscopic level. Characters weaker than Aizen are able to manipulate and sense "souls" in atoms and molecules.

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#97  Edited By EpicHotFlame

@Aristeaus said:
@epichotflame said:

lol k, pls can i now see where is says the rods disrupts chakra IN ORDER to immobilise victims

how is being microscopic an outlier? jigen doesnt stay microscopic but he turns microscopic to attack, likewise his rods, as well..being unseeable due to different universes is different from not being seen due to the ability of jigen

jigen's rods still one shots

Uh what? That is literally all the rods do. They pierce people and disrupt chakra. Since piercing doesn't immobilize anything, whats left? Its not exactly rocket science.

still using ur headcannon? cuz impaling is what the rods do and how does disrupting chakra suddenly immobilise u? when naruto characters disrupt their own chakra by themselves, at least if u want to make up a headcannon, make it believeable lol

No amount of piercing one shots Aizen. He is immortal. I do not care if you think Jigen wins, but he doesn't win that way. That is just a fact.

lol im sorry buddy but aizen is not immune to immobilisation, so yes its a defeat for him, i never said it was going to kill him

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#98  Edited By EpicHotFlame

@cocoussybreaker said:
@epichotflame said:

not as efficient as sensing the full spiritual energy tho and i would need a feat for them detecting a microscopic half-energy source

Sensing a being in another dimension is a more impressive feat than detecting someone on a microscopic level. Characters weaker than Aizen are able to manipulate and sense "souls" in atoms and molecules.

sensing someone in another dimension is what naruto is capable off (sensing sasuke in another dimension) and was also capable of sensing shadows from another plane of existence (limbos) which is beyond sensing from another dimension and yet he had trouble with jigen's shrink and could sense chakra unlike aizen who cant....lol can i see the feat of anyone being able to sense atomic souls (ill debunk what ever scans u wanna bring up, already know what scans u wanna bring) just show me the scans, it might be different

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#99  Edited By CocoUssyBreaker

@epichotflame: ”(ill debunk what ever scans u wanna bring up, already know what scans u wanna bring) just show me the scans”

There's no point of having a discussion with someone who already made-up his own headcanon and decided ”my way or the highway”.

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still using ur headcannon? cuz impaling is what the rods do and how does disrupting chakra suddenly immobilise u? when naruto characters disrupt their own chakra by themselves, at least if u want to make up a headcannon, make it believeable lol

lol im sorry buddy but aizen is not immune to immobilisation, so yes its a defeat for him, i never said it was going to kill him

The amount of dumb coming out of you is extraordinary.

All rods do is disrupt chakra. That is it. Its almost like you have never read the series. Shocking.

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