Ainz Ooal Gown vs Darth Sidious

@boogeymonster: I think that was meant for me, so, yes, he absorbed and mind controlled the people on Byss, but did it required a ritual like the one used to cloud the Jedi's foresight? did it required preparation? how did he do that? if you are going to use it in this battle we need context, Vitiate and Nihilus used force Drain in seconds and on panel, Sidious took his time, I know he possible did it so it wouldn't create a dependency like in Nihilus case, but it wasn't stated he did it casually with out any preparation, as an out panel feat, it is hardly usable in this fight, and again, Ainz is powered by Negative Energy, it is the contrary to life energy, the force is life energy, could he drain death energy from a Skeleton that is immune to draining? I am not making this up, it is stated that, in game, the Undead actually take damage from positive energy, and negative energy only heals them.

Now, world items are rarely used, because they are so goddamn hard to get, but the item used to mind control Shalltear, the Vampire who is level 100 and one of the most powerful characters in the Overlord Universe was :

• Downfall of Castle and Country: The user can mind control even those with absolute mental resistances.

In the books, that is the only instance when a world item has been used on panel, but such items have powers that actually change the rules of the world, I will give some examples, these are definitions given in the books through conversation, but maybe it will help you realise why they are so rare and special.

• World Item from the 8th Floor: Currently, the name and its ability are unknown. This was once belonged to an area guardian in the 8th floor. Now the item is given to Shalltear Bloodfallen instead.

So, Shalltear is one of the most powerful characters in the series and despite that she is only as fast as MagnaGuards (ignoring that Shalltear only does this once, and we see no other characters do this). Which can be taken down in large groups by the likes of Obiwan Kenobi let alone Darth Sidious? Also, once again you are going by a statement, and not a feat. What is the most that has been resisted with any of these so called "absolute defenses" in Overlord? Does it have any actual feats to support its positively fallacious claims of being able to defend against any psychic attack in fiction? If Ainz Ooal Gown is composed of negative energy that would make it even easier. As dark siders are highly attuned with that sort of thing, and draw strength from negative energy. We know force drain can be used on dark side nexuses. As seen in Jedi Academy, and with the Scepter of Ragnos. Which Marka Ragnos feasted upon like it was an all you can eat buffet.

The world items largely sound like a bunch of things Darth Sidious could replicate if he so chooses effecting things on a planetary scale, and what have you. Darth Sidious can pulverize, and drastically distort the space-time continuum with force storms and they are something he can use at his leisure; this with enough precision that he can use a force storm inside of the Death Star without destroying it, and use it to teleport himself light-years away.

The moment the Emperor "died" at the Battle of Endor, Droga fell into an inexplicable insanity, butchering his crew and causing the Emperor's Shadowto plunge into Kaal's oceans. Even as he perished, Palpatine used the dark side knowledge the Sith Lords had granted him years earlier to rend space itself and transmigrate his essence across lightyears to Droga's body.

--Taken from Gamer #5

What he did on Byss specifically required no ritual, and he simply used his "dark powers" to enslave the entire populace when the eager nobles arrived there.

@boogeymonster:

The force storm is literally force lightning so powerful it rips apart the fabric of reality, and opens wormholes in hyperspace. Which he can also use as a form of teleportation even from light-years away.

And Ainz can cut 3dimensional space directly using [Reality Slash], which bypasses defense and durability and transport himself across any distance with a 0% chance of failure using [Gate].

Ainz can also generate an anti-teleportation field using magic and/or delay teleportation abilities, as well as nullify all information gathering skills and magic.

Also, once again you're applying no limit fallacies to these immunities. As I already noted Darth Sidious also learned everything Darth Plagueis knew, and is stated to be more powerful than him. The same Darth Plagueis who can shake planets, and several nearby stars as he was dying.

Oh hey look, more lies about SW. Neato. And being immune to something means being immune to it. The series makes a clear difference between Resistance to something and being Immune to something. Also Ainz has already shown a way to bypass such immunities, as was the case with Shalltear's immunity to instant-death effects. And it required an absolute power of Death.

What feats are stopping Darth Sidious from squishing Ainz Ooal Gown repeatedly until he stays dead, telekinetically hurling him into outer space, teleporting him into deep space with a force storm, or simply pulverizing him into non-existence with a force storm. That, or brainwashing into becoming his servant.

Oh look, more things Sid can't actually do. TK a dude into space? Never done. Tk'ing an obscenely powerful necromantic wizard with an insane level of esoteric resistance and automatic defenses and immunity to mental and psychic effects? That's funny.

The black holes Ainz Ooal Gown creates are pseudo black holes, and do not behave like real ones. What is the range of his teleportation? Does he have any feats of teleporting from light-years away to another destination? The ability to fly does not confer a resistance to telekinesis.

[Gate] has infinite range and was used as primary means of travel in Yggdrasil, which consisted of all Nine Realms if Norse mythos and each would exist in a separate reality only connected by the World Tree. And [Black Hole] does act like a singularity. Just on the micro-level and is a single-target spell.

Really can't argue with that image. TK would also fail unless he can get around Ainz's passive resistances and shields. And it was made clear {Dominion Authority} can level cities, yet it's attack, which is the bane of evil/undead beings, was barely the equivalent of a mosquito bite to Ainz. And then he proceeded to one-shot it, as seen above. He called the whole thing child's play.

No, it was noted Ainz Ooal Gown is "immune" because he is undead. Which doesn't stop people from manipulating you with telepathy in Star Wars. It works on force ghosts, and Darth Sidious specifically learned everything from Darth Plagueis. Which includes the ability to bring the dead back to life, and then make them dead again for the sake of torture.

Except he failed miserably on that front, couldn't manipulate midichlorians, and scoffed at Plag's approach to researching and using the Force as noted in "The Book of Sith". Sid also ran away screaming when attempting to dom Ancient Ghosts on Korriban and instead got his wrinkled backside kicked in for his troubles. Ainz actually has power over the dead and has tools that can completely resurrect people stocked in bulk in his personal inventory.

Also his immunity to mind control and psychic effects is a Racial Skill that all born undead have. Ainz already tested to see if such things could work on him and had Aura Bella Fiore attempt multiple such skills on Ainz to no effect, even when he turned his back and let his guard down. Even Demiurge, who has the passive ability to charm and dominate living things and monsters below a certain level of resistance, had absolutely no effect on Ainz whatsoever.

Ahh insults, the last refuge of those who can't actually form a counter-argument. Classy. It's like watching Clementine's flailing, except that scene was actually funny.

@boogeymonster: Well, time to sleep, I gotta work tomorrow, but I think the force ghost escape is a nice feat, and sadly, no, there are no feats of people even trying to mind control Ainz as no one has TP on that level in the new world where they are, they come from a videogame, and it is said they have total immunity because that is how the game was, the story starts after they get transported to the new world, so we never got to see Ainz fighting other players, but in the game world, using TP on an undead was totally useless, because the game was designed that way, it is actually terrorised that a player used a world item to alter the reality in that new world where they are now, and that's why the magic and rules from the game exist in that realm. (it was revealed in the novels that there have been other players before Ainz in that world, centuries before.)

@reikai:

And Ainz can cut 3dimensional space directly using [Reality Slash], which bypasses defense and durability and transport himself across any distance with a 0% chance of failure using [Gate].

You're seriously trying to compare that to this right here? I am laughing because what you just posted is absolutely nothing compared to a force storm in size, or in any sort of scale to speak of.

Palpatine describes the creation of his Force Storm in his Book of Anger. It only requires an act of will for him to create them.

It is repeatedly noted to be able to pulverize space, and time. As well as the fabric of reality.

"I have learned that Anger and Will, joined together, are the greatest Power.

I have learned to meditate upon Anger and Will with clarity and precision, and I have learned to open the hidden reservoirs of Dark Side Power.

Anger concentrated by Will in the vital center of the body creates a portal through which vast energies are released—the energies of the dark side of the Force.

Standing watch with the mind, in my meditation of Anger, I have slain my enemies from great distances, through the dark side Power that permeates the galaxy. I have created lightning, and unleashed its destructive fire.

Using this knowledge, I can unleash the dark side energies that are all around us, even to shatter the fabric of space itself. In this way, I have created storms.

Through a simple act of Will, I can generate Force Storms, energy storms that are vastly destructive and virtually unstoppable. Although triggering such storms requires merely thought and inclination, I admit I am not yet able to completely control the phenomenon. Among my goals is to perfect this control."

--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

"The churning energy mass of a Force Storm can consume everything it touches, for at its eye is pure hate. Just as a black hole devours a star, this storm can swallow armies and fold space."

--Taken from Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side

The effect of Force Storm is explained.

This is perhaps the single most destructive Force power known. This power allows the Jedi to twist the space-time continuum to create vast storms of force. The power also allows limited control of these storms. Capable of creating annihilating vortices, the storms can swallow whole fleets of spaceships or tear the surfaces off worlds.

--Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook and Tales of the Jedi Companion

"The Force Storm is truly an awe-inspiring demonstration of pure natural energy. After using the Force to open a hyperspace wormhole, tremendous shockwaves will ripple through the fabric of space. Due to the Force Storm's potential for abuse, the Council has recently classified it as a dark side power."

"The Reborn Emperor used this at Da Soocha. It has the power to kill worlds."

—Luke

--Taken from The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force

Vast energy storms that connect wildly disparate spots across the galaxy, hyperspace wormholes are unpredictable and devastating. It was to the Rebel Alliance's detriment that Emperor Palpatine was able to not only control these storms, but to create them.

--Taken from Handbook Volume Three: Dark Empire

Before even fully mastering the technique, Palpatine creates a Force Storm with enough skill and precision to transport his body to Kaal from the second Death Star II without causing noticeable damage to the Death Star.

The moment the Emperor "died" at the Battle of Endor, Droga fell into an inexplicable insanity, butchering his crew and causing the Emperor's Shadowto plunge into Kaal's oceans. Even as he perished, Palpatine used the dark side knowledge the Sith Lords had granted him years earlier to rend space itself and transmigrate his essence across lightyears to Droga's body.

--Taken from Gamer #5

Ainz can also generate an anti-teleportation field using magic and/or delay teleportation abilities, as well as nullify all information gathering skills and magic.

No limit fallacy upon no limit fallacy. It truly is your bread, and butter Reigan. Hey, how about I make a Soma Cruz versus D thread? You shouldn't have any problems with that.

Oh hey look, more lies about SW. Neato.

They are not lies at all, and I posted them on the first page of your thread.

A tremor took hold of the planet.

Sprung from death, it unleashed itself in a powerful wave, at once burrowing deep into the world’s core and radiating through its saccharine atmosphere to shake the stars themselves.

At the quake’s epicenter stood Sidious, one elegant hand vised on the burnished sill of an expansive translucency, a vessel filled suddenly to bursting, the Force so strong within him that he feared he might disappear into it, never to return. But the moment didn’t constitute an ending so much as a true beginning, long overdue; it was less a transformation than an intensification—a gravitic shift.

A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.

A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.

Slowly, almost reluctantly, he came back to himself, his gaze settling on his manicured hands. Returned to the present, he took note of his rapid breathing, while behind him the room labored to restore order. Air scrubbers hummed—costly wall tapestries fibers against the spread of spilled fluids. The droid shuffled in obvious confliction. Sidious pivoted to take in the disarray: antique furniture overturned; framed artwork askew. As if a whirlwind had swept through. And facedown on the floor lay a statue of Yanjon, one of four law-giving sages of Dwartii.

A piece Sidious had secretly coveted.

Also sprawled there, Plagueis: his slender limbs splayed and elongated head turned to one side. Dressed in finery, as for a night on the town.

And now dead.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Also, even without having to do anything Darth Plagueis was powerful enough to make Naboo experience the worst winter it had in its history. Which froze all of the rivers on the planet, blanketed all the plains and tall forests with three meters of snow, caused plasmic quakes that rocked entire mountain ranges and lakes, the holy places, the undersea cities, and underwaterways that hollowed the planet were blocked by ice floes. This just by Darth Plagueis arriving on the planet.

Later it would be said by Naboo and Gungan alike that they couldn’t recall a colder winter than the one that followed Hego Damask’s autumnal visit to their world. The rivers and even the falls below Theed froze; the rolling plains and tall forests were blanketed three meters deep with snow; plasmic quakes rocked the Gallo Mountains and the Lake Country, the Holy Places and the undersea city of Otoh Gunga; and many of the egresses of the underwaterways that hollowed the planet were blocked by ice floes.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Emperor Palpatine is regarded as the most powerful Sith to exist.

Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.

--Taken from Vader: The Ultimate Guide

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

--Taken from The New Essential Chronology

Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting.

--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary

When Yoda crosses sabers with the movie's arch-villain, he doesn't launch into a pinwheeling display of acrobatics, as he did against Count Dooku in Episode II. Instead, Yoda faces the dark side's fury, channeled by the most powerful Sith Lord in history. "Rob Coleman wanted Yoda to feel the power of his enemy," says Wheless, "like a force he's never dealt with before."

--Taken from Insider #86: Yoda's Right Arm

He is named the most powerful of the Banite Sith.

The Sith have waited millennium for the birth of one who is powerful enough to return them from hiding. Darth Sidious is that one—the Sith's revenge on the Jedi order for having nearly eradicated the practitioners of the dark side of the Force.

--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary

The Sith Order, in hiding for a millennium, had awaited the birth of one who was powerful enough to return the Order to prominence. Darth Sidious was the fulfillment of that prophecy, capable of exacting the Sith's revenge on the Jedi for having nearly eradicated the practitioners of the dark side of the Force.

--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Darth Sidious proved to be the grim culmination of a thousand years of Sith philosophy and teachings.

--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered—in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane—only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge.

--Taken from The Dark Side Sourcebook

Palpatine trained under Plagueis until he became more powerful and killed his master.

In truth, Palpatine was well versed in the ways of the Force, having been apprentice to Darth Plagueis the Wise, a Sith Lord who was a master of arcane and unnatural knowledge. In true Sith tradition, Palpatine murdered his Master upon receiving the skill and ability to do so.

--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Sidious served for many decades as the apprentice of Darth Plagueis, learning diligently at the feet of his Master. Once he possessed all of Plagueis' secrets, he retired him.

--Taken from Insider #88: Heritage of the Sith

"My own Master, Darth Plagueis, made the grave error of teaching me too much, at which point he became unnecessary."

--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

And being immune to something means being immune to it.

Okay, show me Ainz Ooal Gown resisting every single attack he has noted immunity against. However, you must show him resisting it in every possible scale. In other words it defending against every fictional character in existence with those related abilities. That is how you prove a no limit fallacy, and it's functionally impossible.

The series makes a clear difference between Resistance to something and being Immune to something. Also Ainz has already shown a way to bypass such immunities, as was the case with Shalltear's immunity to instant-death effects. And it required an absolute power of Death.

Oh, this is amazing you just made my point for me you idiot. The fact these immunities can be overpowered is proof that they are not perfect, and that they are just resistances against these things. Not "absolute defenses" against them as you falsely claim that they are. I am not surprised. In all of these years your debating style hasn't changed at all.

Oh look, more things Sid can't actually do. TK a dude into space? Never done. Tk'ing an obscenely powerful necromantic wizard with an insane level of esoteric resistance and automatic defenses and immunity to mental and psychic effects? That's funny.

Already pointed towards weaker characters than Darth Sidious who can shake entire planets, and nearby stars. Heck, Galen Marek could do this to Ainz Ooal Gown let alone Darth Sidious and he was so incredibly outmatched by Darth Sidious that even his suicidal attack against him only distracted him. In the dark side ending Galen Marek became his mere servant.

[Gate] has infinite range and was used as primary means of travel in Yggdrasil, which consisted of all Nine Realms if Norse mythos and each would exist in a separate reality only connected by the World Tree.

Nope, give me some feats that show Ainz Ooal Gown teleporting from an infinite distance away and to a specific area he has no foreknowledge on because I am sure as hell not taking your word for it when you're a pathological liar.

And [Black Hole] does act like a singularity. Just on the micro-level and is a single-target spell.

No, it is a pseudo black hole because if it was a real black hole that entire would have been destroyed. It wasn't.

Just a black hole the size of baseball or a golf ball would be powerful enough to destroy an entire planet. Which means that this black hole is nowhere near as powerful as an actual black hole.

Really can't argue with that image.

That is literally evidence proving my point, and not yours. The utter lack of collateral damage proves that this pseudo black hole is nowhere as powerful as an actual black hole because if it was? In the size we see it there? There would have been no more planet. Yet, everything is fine. That is more like Kakashi's kamui than an actual black hole.

TK would also fail unless he can get around Ainz's passive resistances and shields.

Prove this.

Show me Ainz Ooal Gown defending against telekinesis powerful enough to shake entire solar systems.

And it was made clear {Dominion Authority} can level cities, yet it's attack, which is the bane of evil/undead beings, was barely the equivalent of a mosquito bite to Ainz. And then he proceeded to one-shot it, as seen above. He called the whole thing child's play.

So, you're acting like an city level attack is supposed to be impressive here? Darth Sidious, and Darth Plagueis can ravage entire planets without having to do anything, and when they do get serious they can destroy these planets. The difference in firepower is astronomical, and saying that because Ainz Ooal Gown can ignore attacks that can destroy cities he can therefore ignore this? It is straight up dishonest.

Except he failed miserably on that front, couldn't manipulate midichlorians, and scoffed at Plag's approach to researching and using the Force as noted in "The Book of Sith".

Another lie on your part, and a particularly huge one too. Not surprising since you have a history of doing this.

Sidious comments to Plagueis that he could save his life with the Force as Plagueis used Midi-chlorian Manipulation to do for others in the past but decides against it.

Plagueis gulped for air and lifted an arm toward him.

"There's the rub, you see," Sidious said in a philosophical tone. "All the ones you experimented on, killed, brought back to life... They were little more than toys. Now, though, you get to experience it from their side, and look what you discover: in a body tat is being denied air, in which even the Force is failing, your own midi-chlorians can't accomplish what you're asking of them."

Hatred stained Sidious's eyes.

"I could save you, of course. Return you from the brink, as you did Venamis. I could retask your body to repair the damage already done to your lungs, your hearts, your aged brain. But I'll do no such thing. The idea here is not to drag you back at the last moment, but to bring you to death's door and shove you through to the other side.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Sid also ran away screaming when attempting to dom Ancient Ghosts on Korriban and instead got his wrinkled backside kicked in for his troubles.

Good to see that you're still ass blasted over the beating Fang gave you over at NF. Darth Sidious would demolish Emperor Valkorion. How does that make you feel Reigan? Does it make you want to cry those crocodile tears of yours?

Also his immunity to mind control and psychic effects is a Racial Skill that all born undead have.

Which help him just because he is undead does not mean that it is protecting him. As telepathy in Star Wars works perfectly fine on force ghosts, and things that don't have a brain.

Ainz already tested to see if such things could work on him and had Aura Bella Fiore attempt multiple such skills on Ainz to no effect, even when he turned his back and let his guard down.

Show me how powerful these skills were in regards to mind control, and if they at all compare to what I have brought up several times already. They don't of course, and I know your answer is just going to be the same.

Even Demiurge, who has the passive ability to charm and dominate living things and monsters below a certain level of resistance, had absolutely no effect on Ainz whatsoever.

Show me the best feats the Demiurge has in regards to mind control, and how many people it can control at once. As right now what you're bringing up means positively nothing.

nothing sidious has in his arsenal is beating ainz.

Nothing is saving Ainz Ooal Gown from being pulverized into dust, and the planet they're fighting on from being reduced to a barren desert.

Well, actually even less than that the surface of the planet would literally be shaved away until nothing is left.

@boogeymonster: comments like that are from somone who knows nothing of ainz.

Comments like this are from someone who knows nothing of Darth Sidious.

@boogeymonster: so how exactly is ainz getting pulverized

Sids throws a content busting tear in reality at him?

Simple, Darth Sidious either squishes him with telekinesis or destroys him with a force storm. If he feels so inclined he can also drain all of the negative energy away from Ainz Ooal Gown with force drain (since we see Sith Lords able to drain dark side nexuses), or use a smaller scale force storm to transport him into a nearby sun. As Ainz Ooal Gown has no feats of durability against attacks that can ravage entire worlds, or shave their entire surface away.

Mind you, considering what Darth Plagueis did upon his death in shaking what was at least a solar system it's probably even higher than that.

@boogeymonster: almost none of that works on ainz. He is highly resistant to lightning. Force drain wont work as he has safe gaurds against that.

Force. Storm. Isn't. Just. Lightning.

Force. Storms. Warp. Reality.

Show me Ainz Ooal Gown resisting electricity powerful enough to create gigantic distortions in the space time continuum large enough to open wormholes in hyperspace, and destroy worlds. Show me Ainz Ooal Gown resisting someone who is adept enough at force drain or some sort of equivalent that they can absorb the energies of billions of people at once.

@boogeymonster:

You're seriously trying to compare that to this right here? I am laughing because what you just posted is absolutely nothing compared to a force storm in size, or in any sort of scale to speak of.

And you fail to understand the vast difference and standards it holds. Especially since the Wormhole acts in a DoT fashion. Which makes it far less useful in actual combat. [Reality Slash] may be single-target in nature, however the size of the target is all but irrelevant to its use.

The wormhole is able to encompass kilometer sized ships. Neat. Ainz can transform and alter an area with a more than 200mi radius. And that was just as a test. Effectively displaying the range he can encompass being much larger than that of the Force Wormhole.

Palpatine describes the creation of his Force Storm in his Book of Anger. It only requires an act of will for him to create them.

And Ainz can cast {Silent} Spells with just thought as well and activate instantly. Like his Time Stop. {Silent} spells are just spells he can cast without verbalizing them or incanting them. Meaning he casts them instantly. So what is more useful? Creating a wormhole that you can't fully control and could potentially kill you when using it? Or being able to Stop Time and straight up killing your opponent before even an attosecond can pass.

Before even fully mastering the technique, Palpatine creates a Force Storm with enough skill and precision to transport his body to Kaal from the second Death Star II without causing noticeable damage to the Death Star.

And Ainz can create anti-teleportation fields, so all aspects of his wormhole usage have been nullified.

Okay, show me Ainz Ooal Gown resisting every single attack he has noted immunity against. However, you must show him resisting it in every possible scale. In other words it defending against every fictional character in existence with those related abilities. That is how you prove a no limit fallacy, and it's functionally impossible.

There is absolutely no need since you fail to grasp what Immunity means. You don't stop being immune to something just because the voltage increases. It's still the same element. And the series already explains that of the very few means to bypass immunity requires Godly-tier, nigh-impossible to acquire special classes, like Ainz's [Eclipse] class, or World-Class items which're reality altering/breaking objects of which only 200 exist and Ainz's guild possessed 11 of them. One of which Ainz keeps on his own person as a counter-measure against other WCI's.

They are not lies at all, and I posted them on the first page of your thread.

It's hyperbole. Unless you have something that explains why the Jedi Council, who were on Coruscant, as well as all the other Jedi there, failed to mention a huge shift in the dark side as well as the planet itself moving. Everything you quoted is from Palpatine's personal perspective. Neither the world nor the stars were affected. It just felt that way to him. And yet you use such exaggerations to claim solar status when the guy had to get Plag black-out drunk before killing him in his sleep. *golf clap*

Oh, this is amazing you just made my point for me you idiot. The fact these immunities can be overpowered is proof that they are not perfect, and that they are just resistances against these things. Not "absolute defenses" against them as you falsely claim that they are. I am not surprised. In all of these years your debating style hasn't changed at all.

Again, you fail to grasp how these things work. As I mentioned, it requires things of a Godly-tier or a WCI. Meaning things on a mass reality altering level. In other words; Rule Breaking. And, once again, it made a clear difference between Resistance and Immunity. Resistance is only up to a certain point, which rings true for all games. Immunity means nothing of that type will affect you. Which, again, is something that exists and works in all manner of games. Griping does not change these facts.

Sidious comments to Plagueis that he could save his life with the Force as Plagueis used Midi-chlorian Manipulation to do for others in the past but decides against it.

Except he's only going so far as to the extent of Force Heal, which was not uncommon in the TOR era. He never claims to be able to bring back the dead himself, only claiming he could save Plag from dying. There is a clear difference.

Which help him because just because he is undead does not mean that it is protecting him. As telepathy in Star Wars works perfectly fine on force ghosts, and things that don't have a brain.

And you have yet to demonstrate how it's different nor how it bypasses Immunity. Again, different mechanics. And Force Ghosts are still connected to the Force, which is what the majority of Force Users use in the application of Telepathy.

Show me how powerful these skills were in regards to mind control, and if they at all compare to what I have brought up several times already. They don't of course, and I know your answer is just going to be the same.

Except what you brought up is so vaguely worded and hyperbolic that you can't even quantify it. You claim he took control of Byss' population. Now explain how he did it. Can you explain how? Cause I'm quite certain you can't explain how. That would require them to actually show him doing it and not just saying he did it.

Show me the best feats the Demiurge has in regards to mind control, and how many people it can control at once. As right now what you're bringing up means positively nothing.

Show me what Sid can actually do with it in actual battle instead of using hyperbole. I know it's your mainstay form of debating, using nothing but hyperbole instead of actual, applicable, quantifiable feats, but do try to actually show him doing something directly. As for Demiurge, his passive is for anyone within range of his voice.

Simple, Darth Sidious either squishes him with telekinesis or destroys him with a force storm. If he feels so inclined he can also drain all of the negative energy away from Ainz Ooal Gown with force drain (since we see Sith Lords able to drain dark side nexuses), or use a smaller scale force storm to transport him into a nearby sun. As Ainz Ooal Gown has no feats of durability against attacks that can ravage entire worlds, or shave their entire surface away.

Anti-Teleportation makes BFR impossible. TK on sentients also requires overpowering their will and resistance, and Ainz is immune to mental effects and has passive resistances against attacks which Sid has no direct means of bypassing. Dark Side =/= Negative Energy and Ainz has Drain Immunity anyway. It's like you didn't read anything that was posted at all. Go figure.

Also Sid's storm he used on a moon, not a planet, and its effect on the surface was gradual over a limited area and was traveling across the moon's surface, not encompassing it entirely. So it's really nothing at all for Ainz to worry about.

But since you love hyperbole, Ainz can easily kill the tree demon Zy'tl Q'ae, which is said to have the power to destroy the world. So we can range that anywhere from life-wiping to planet-busting. Ainz confers with the Floor Guardians and flat out states that any of them could kill it easily and would pose no threat at all to them. Zy'tl Q'ae is also roughly a third the size of an Imperial Star Destroyer.

No it just bends space to create a wormhole. Still not nearly as impressive as summoning the power of an eldritch horror from Lovecraftian mythos.

@reikai:

And you fail to understand the vast difference and standards it holds.

No, I am not. You are failing to realize that Ainz Ooal Gown's utterly garbage reality slash pales in comparison to something that can literally destroy worlds.

Especially since the Wormhole acts in a DoT fashion. Which makes it far less useful in actual combat.

No, it doesn't even before mastering it Darth Sidious could use it in such a precise way that he can use it teleport himself light-years away without causing any collateral damage to his surroundings.

[Reality Slash] may be single-target in nature, however the size of the target is all but irrelevant to its use.

No, it really is relevant as what you showed me did not show me reality slash destroying an entire space fleet or ravaging an entire world. It is garbage by comparison, the tear is reality is laughably tiny, and it can't do anything that matches up.

The wormhole is able to encompass kilometer sized ships. Neat.

The tear in the space-time continuum that rips open holes into hyperspace which is another dimension entirely, and can encompass entire worlds.

Ainz can transform and alter an area with a more than 200mi radius.

Not impressive at all. Darth Plagueis can nearly cause an apocalyptic event on Naboo just by arriving on the planet, and he didn't have to do anything. He is beneath Darth Sidious at this point, and Darth Sidious learned everything from him.

And that was just as a test. Effectively displaying the range he can encompass being much larger than that of the Force Wormhole.

No, it really isn't. The range a force storm can stretch across an entire world, and a force storm itself can be comparable in size to one.

And Ainz can cast {Silent} Spells with just thought as well and activate instantly. Like his Time Stop.

Not instantly unless you now want to claim Ainz Ooal Gown has infinite speed with no evidence to back it up. As I already noted there is nothing stopping Darth Sidious from destroying Ainz Ooal Gown before then. He faster than characters who are faster than characters who as fast as Ainz Ooal Gown. It would take all but a nanosecond for Darth Sidious to pulverize him into dust.

{Silent} spells are just spells he can cast without verbalizing them or incanting them. Meaning he casts them instantly.

Which is not helping against Darth Sidious when he has clairvoyance and precognition. He is going to know about them before he even casts them, and how he should counter them.

Before receiving any training in the Force, Palpatine foresees that Plagueis would arrive at an event on Chandrila and divulges that he has frequent premonitions.

The planet Chandrila sponsored a monthlong retreat for members of the Legislative Youth Program. Once a year young beings from a host of worlds arrived to participate in mock Senate trials in and around Hanna City and to tour Chandrila’s vast agricultural projects, wilderness areas, coral reefs, and garden parks. It was in Gladean Park—a game reserve outside coastal Hanna—that Plagueis paid young Palpatine an unannounced visit. But it was Plagueis who was surprised.

“I knew you would come, Magister,” Palpatine said when Plagueis and 11-4D turned up at one of the game reserve’s viewing blinds.

“How did you know?”

“I knew, that’s all.”

“And just how often are your premonitions correct?”

“Almost always.”

“Curious,” 11-4D remarked while Palpatine was hurrying away to excuse himself from the company of two friends.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Before receiving any training in the Force, Palpatine senses Plagueis' powers.

Palpatine’s lip curled in anger and menace. “Is this the wisdom you offer—the tenets of some arcane cult?”

“The test of its value is whether you can live by it, Palpatine.”

“If I had wanted that I would have forced my parents years ago to surrender me to the Jedi Order instead of transferring me from school to private school.”

Plagueis planted his hands on his hips and laughed without mirth. “And of what possible use do you think a person of your nature would be to the Jedi Order? You’re heartless, ambitious, arrogant, insidious, and without shame or empathy. More, you’re a murderer.” He held Palpatine’s hooded gaze and watched the youth’s hands clench in fists of rage. “Careful, boy,” he said after a moment. “You are not the only being in this plush stateroom with the power to kill.”

Palpatine’s eyes opened wide and he took a step back. “I can sense it...”

Plagueis grew deliberately haughty. “What you sense is a fraction of what I can bring to bear.”

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He sees through the eyes of a beast while hunting.

Blended into the herd, the animal Sidious had fixed his sight on would have been indistinguishable to normal beings. But Sidious had the animal in his mind and was now looking through its eyes, one with it.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He perceives beings around him as blurs of energy.

Pax Teem was about to speak when a Gran messenger intruded on the privacy canopy.

“Senator Kim, we are in receipt of an urgent communiqué from Naboo.”

While Kim was excusing himself, Palpatine dropped into the Force. Conversation at the table grew faint, and the physical forms of Pax Teem and the others became indistinct—more like blurs of lambent energy.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Palpatine feels the presence of a Nightsister, is guided toward her location, and senses dark energies emanating from her.

Some combination of the strictures—or perhaps recognition on Plagueis’s part for his apprentice’s unabated craving to visit Sith worlds—had landed Palpatine on scenic Dathomir. Sparsely populated and largely unexplored, Dathomir wasn’t Korriban or Ziost, but it was powerful in the Force, in part because of its fecundity, but mainly due to the presence of groups of female adepts who practiced dark side magicks.

He was meandering without clear purpose through one of Blue Desert City’s dustier quarters, far from the city center, when became aware of a faint pulse of Force energy, the origin of which was indistinct but close at hand.

Calling more deeply on the Force, he allowed himself to be drawn toward the mysterious source, as if he were a starship surrendering to the embrace of a tractor beam. A tortuous series of turns delivered him into a market area brimming with knockoff goods, ersatz jewelry, and bits and pieces of junk that had found its way to Dathomir from who knew where, and ultimately to a small square amid the hustle and bustle, on one corner of which stood a human female, whose symmetrically blemished face was the color of burnished durasteel, and whose flamboyant clothing identified her as a visitor to the city, likely from some remote village on the planet’s far side. The hood of her crimson robe was raised, and from one shoulder hung a soft bag the size of a small suitcase.

Palpatine moved to the square’s diagonal corner to observe her. She was eyeing individuals in the passing crowd, not as if searching for someone in particular, but with a gaze more in keeping with target acquisition. She didn’t strike Palpatine as a thief or pickpocket, though she did exude a dark energy informed by equal measures of urgency and deceit.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

As his power grows, Palpatine more frequently sees beings through his Force perception and detects details he was oblivious to before.

The hood of his stylish robe raised against a chill wind, Palpatine hurried through the streets of Theed. The sudden turn in the weather abetted his desire to avoid making eye contact with strangers or, worse, encountering anyone he knew. As he grew stronger in the dark side, the profane world became a stranger and stranger place, swept by currents he’d had no previous awareness of and populated by vaguely outlined life-forms he saw as magnitudes of the Force.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

While talking with Plagueis, Dooku, and Sifo-Dyas, Palpatine senses that an onlooker is closely watching him.

Palpatine sensed scrutiny from someone outside the circle the ten of them had formed. Just short of the Senate Building's Great Door, Pax Teem had stopped and was gazing at Palpatine, his eyestalks extended. And Palpatine could hardly blame him, since even he had been caught off guard by Plagueis's eagerness to acknowledge him in public.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

His attention is drawn to an upper window where Sun Guards enter the building.

No sooner did the holoimage dissolve than two of the security men began to advance on him. Sidious readied himself for action. A Force blow to send them reeling back toward the holoprojector, then a leap, arms extended, hands curled into claws, one for each windpipe, which he would tear from their throats—

The Force intruded, drawing his attention to the windows in the upper walls.

At once, the sound of repeating blasters and pained cries echoed from adjacent rooms; then a nerve-jangling shattering of glass as Sun Guards crashed through the high windows and began to rappel to the filthy floor, firing as they slid down on their microfilament lines, catching the Santhe men and the Rodian with so many bolts that their bodies were left quartered by the volleys.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Palpatine senses Sate Pestage outside his door and feels the dark side being unleashed at an attack on Hego Damask.

He was standing in the center of the room when he sensed someone in the corridor outside. Fists pummeled the door; then it slid to one side and Sate Pestage burst into the room. Seeing Palpatine, he came to a sudden stop, and the panicked look he wore on entering transformed to one of visible relief.

“I’ve been trying to reach you,” he nearly screamed, running a hand over his forehead.

Palpatine regarded him quizzically. “I was occupied. What has happened?”

Pestage sank into a chair and looked up at him. “Are you sure you want to know?” He paused, then said, “In the interest of separating what I do from what you do—”

Palpatine’s eyes blazed. “Stop wasting my time and come to the point.”

Pestage gritted his teeth. “The Maladian commander I did business with during the Kim affair.”

“What of him?”

“He contacted me—two, maybe three hours ago. He said that he felt humiliated because of the manner in which the Kim contract had been implemented, and wanted to make it up to me. He said he’d just received word that a Maladian faction had accepted a contract to carry out a major hit on Coruscant, involving someone closely affiliated with Damask Holdings.” Pestage kept his eyes on Palpatine. “I feared it might be you.”

Palpatine swung back to the window to think. Had the Santhe guards planned to turn him over to the Maladians following the holocommunication with Pax Teem?

He turned to Pestage. “Who took out the contract?

“Members of the Gran Protectorate.”

“It fits,” Palpatine said, more to himself.

“What fits?”

“Where are these Gran now?”

“As soon as I heard from the Maladian, I asked Kinman to keep an eye on them. They’re holed up in the Malastare ambassador’s residence.”

Palpatine blinked. “Here? On Coruscant?”

“Of course, here.”

“It’s not possible that they’re offworld?”

“No, they’re downside.”

Palpatine paced away from Pestage. He opened himself fully to the Force, and was left staggered by an inrush of overwhelming malevolence. He planted his left hand on the desk for support and managed a stuttering inhale. Somewhere close by, the dark side was unspooling.

“Palpatine!” Pestage said from behind him.

“Hego Damask,” Palpatine said, without turning around.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

While traveling to Aborah, Sidious has a vision of Aborah and perceives it inordinately saturated in the dark side.

A standard month after the events on Coruscant, Plagueis summoned Sidious to Muunilinst. Sidious had visited the High Port skyhook but had never been invited downside, and now he found himself soaring over one of the planet’s unspoiled blue oceans in a stylish airspeeder piloted by two Sun Guards. As the speeder approached Aborah, he settled deeply into the Force and was rewarded with a vision of the mountain island as a transcendent vortex of dark energy unlike anything he had ever experienced. It was something he would have expected to encounter only on Korriban or some other Sith world.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He senses lifeforms which are used in Plagueis' experiments in locked cells.

Sidious was still trying to make sense of the droid’s statements when they entered a long corridor lined with windowless cells. Through the Force he could sense life-forms behind each locked door.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He knows that Maul is still upset about a snake bite.

"I know you're still upset about the snake that bit you," Sidious said, continuing around the watery orb until he had a clear view of Maul. "I know everything about you, Maul. Everything."

--Taken from The Wrath of Darth Maul

Sidious is aware of a drawing made on the wall of Maul's room.

Maul's steps did not falter as he continued following the droid, but his mind was suddenly racing. He wondered what consequences he might suffer because of the drawing. He said, "Did Master Sidious see the drawing?"

"I don't know. I erased it right after you fell asleep."

"Then how would he even know about the drawing...unless you told him?"

"I didn't have to tell him," TD-D9 said. "You should know by now, child...Sidious knows everything."

--Taken from The Wrath of Darth Maul

Sidious sees Plagueis' form in the Force.

Just arrived on the Hunters’ Moon, Sidious studied Plagueis as the Sith Lord and his droid, 11-4D, viewed a holorecording of a black-robed Zabrak assassin making short work of combat automata in his home on Coruscant, some hovering, some advancing on two legs, others on treads, and all firing blasters.

Twenty years had added a slight stoop to the Muun’s posture and veins that stood out under his thinning white skin. He wore a dark green utility suit that hugged his delicate frame, a green cloak that fell from his bony shoulders to the fort’s stone floor, and a headpiece that hewed to his large cranium. A triangular breath mask covered his ruined, prognathus lower jaw, his mouth, part of his long neck, and what remained of the craggy nose he’d had before the surprise attack in the Fobosi. A device of his own invention, the alloy mask featured two vertical slits and a pair of thin, stiff conduits that linked it to a transpirator affixed to his upper chest, beneath an armored torso harness. He had learned to ingest and imbibe through feeding tubes, and through his nose.

Seen through the Force, he was a nuclear oval of mottled light, a rotating orb of terrifying energy. If the Maladian attack had weakened him physically, it had also helped to shape his etheric body into a vessel sufficiently strong to contain the full power of the dark side.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He senses the position and flight path of the Scimitar even after the cloaking devices render it invisible.

Maul bowed his head and hurried up the rear boarding ramp into the cockpit module. Sidious lingered to watch the ship rise and edge out of the hangar, becoming invisible as it flew over The Works. Through the dark side, he continued to track the Scimitar as it angled north toward the Jedi Temple rather than south, and away from the Senate District.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Sidious is capable of interpreting the currents of the Force to ascertain information and does so to learn that Nute Gunray had lied.

Sidious stood motionless and silent on the transmission grid, his fingers steepled, his mind meditating on the eddies and currents of the Force. Those of lesser sensitivity were oblivious to it, but to him it was like an omnipresent mist, invisible but nonetheless tangible, that swirled and drifted constantly about him. No words, no descriptions could begin to convey what it was like; the only way to understand it was to experience it. He had learned over long years of study and meditation how to interpret each and every vagary of its restless flow, no matter how slight. Even without that ability, however, he would have known that Nute Gunray was lying about Hath Monchar's whereabouts.

--Taken from Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter

He senses a communication sent to him before it arrives and ascertains that Maul is telling the truth.

Darth Sidious could feel a slight disturbance in the Force before his scrambled comlink chimed, and knew by this that his apprentice was about to contact him. He stepped to the holoprojector and activated the grid. Privacy failsafes glowed green before he spoke.

"My apprentice. Your mission is complete." It was a statement, not a question. Sidious knew Darth Maul would not call to report failure, and there were no untoward signs in the energies that surrounded his image.

"Yes, my master. The Jedi Padawan died in combat. She fought well, for a neophyte. An explosion generated from our battle destroyed Lorn Pavan and his droid." Darth Sidious nodded. He could feel the truth of the statement even at this distance. This was excellent news.

--Taken from Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter

He stretches out with the Force and is guided by the dark side to act on his opportunity to kill Plagueis.

A few meters distant, Sidious came to a halt, gazing at Plagueis for a long moment, as though making up his mind about something. Then, blowing out his breath, he set his own glass down and reached for the cloak he had draped over a chair. Swirling it around himself, he started for the door, only to stop shortly before he reached it. Turning and stretching out with the Force, he glanced around the room, as one might to fix a memory in the mind. Briefly his gaze fell on the droid, its glowing photoreceptors whirring to regard him in evident curiosity.

A look of sinister purpose contorted Sidious’s face.

Again, his eyes darted around the room, and the dark side whispered:

Your election assured, the Sun Guards absent, Plagueis unsuspecting and asleep...

And he moved in a blur.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Sidious views Plaguies through the Force and notices his gathering midi-chlorians.

Sidious peered at Plagueis through the Force. "Oh, yes, by all means gather your midi-chlorians, Plagueis."

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He feels a disturbance in the Force and then stretches his perception to view distant stars.

A tremor took hold of the planet.

Sprung from death, it unleashed itself in a powerful wave, at once burrowing deep into the world’s core and radiating through its saccharine atmosphere to shake the stars themselves. At the quake’s epicenter stood Sidious, one elegant hand vised on the burnished sill of an expansive translucency, a vessel filled suddenly to bursting, the Force so strong within him that he feared he might disappear into it, never to return. But the moment didn’t constitute an ending so much as a true beginning, long overdue; it was less a transformation than an intensification—a gravitic shift.

A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Sidious peers into the past to uncover information about Darth Plagueis and Tenebrous.

Sidious had never learned how Plagueis’s own Master had met his end. Had he died at Plagueis’s hand? Had Plagueis, too, experienced a similar exultation on becoming a sole Sith Lord? Had the beast of the end time risen then to peek at the world it was to inhabit, knowing its release was imminent?

He raised his gaze to the ecliptic. The answers were out there, coded in light, speeding through space and time. Liquid fire coursing through him, visions of past and future riffling through his mind, he opened himself to the reconfigured galaxy, as if in an effort to peel away the decades...

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He feels a sense of loss upon Maul's defeat.

Sidious moved back into the room to take a closer look at Plagueis. Then, after a long moment, he returned to the window and pulled the drapes aside.

His spirit soared, but briefly.

Something was shading his sense of triumph: a vague awareness of a power greater than himself. Was it Plagueis reaching out from the far side of death to vex him? Or was the feeling a mere consequence of apotheosis?

Outside, the summits of the tallest buildings were gilded by the first rays of daylight.

With the Battle of Naboo concluded—lost, in his estimation—Palpatine had no time to bask in adulation or celebrate his win. His first order of business, indeed his first official duty, was to travel to his homeworld to congratulate Queen Amidala and her new allies, the Gungans, on their surprise victory.

It wasn’t until he arrived in Theed and learned of Darth Maul’s defeat at the hands of the Jedi in a power-generator station that he understood in part the reason for the sense of loss and profound solitude he had experienced following the murder of Plagueis.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Sidious foresees every maneuver Maul and Savage make prior to its use.

But strong as he had become, Maul found himself in awe of Sidious. The Sith Lord was astonishingly fast and efficient, and the Force flowed through him effortlessly. His sabers stabbed and slashed through the smallest hole in an opponent’s guard, his movements never carried him a millimeter out of position, and he could sense every attack Maul and Savage made before it developed.

--Taken from Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracy

Sidious notes a detail in a conversation with Darth Tyranus without being told.

Even via hologram, the flickering figure of Darth Sidious, hideous in blue and shadows, seemed to strip his false youth away, leaving his bones brittle, his joints worn thin and knotted with tension. "These are the envoys from Troxar," his Master said. How could he know? Dooku didn't ask. Darth Sidious knew. He always knew.

--Taken from Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

Palpatine can detect currents in events and determine possibilities from them.

Once again, Darth Sidious had divined the actions they would take well in advance of their own deciding. The talent had less to do with being able to peer into the future, than with having access to streams of possibilities. Sidious wasn't unerring. He could be surprised or taken off his guard—as at Geonosis, as in the case of Gunray's mechno-chair—but not for long. His mastery of the dark side of the Force endowed him with the power to decipher the currents that comprised the future, and to comprehend that while those currents were manifold, they were not boundless. Such mastery was one of the skills that distinguished Sidious from Yoda, who believed the future was so much in motion it could not be read with any clarity—especially during times when the dark side was on the ascendant. But how could Yoda be expected to see the whole picture with one eye closed? Deliberately closed.

--Taken from Labyrinth of Evil

Sidious can perceive events wherever darkness exists and feels Anakin's turmoil and the approach of Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, Saesee Tiin, and Agen Kolar.

The Coruscant nightfall was spreading through the galaxy. The darkness in the Force was no hindrance to the shadow in the Chancellor's office; it was the darkness. Wherever darkness dwelled, the shadow could send perception. In the night, the shadow felt the boy's anguish, and it was good. The shadow felt the grim determination of four Jedi Masters approaching by air. This, too, was good.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

So what is more useful? Creating a wormhole that you can't fully control and could potentially kill you when using it?

Another lie on your part. Darth Sidious has complete control over his force storms by the time of Dark Empire, and only lost control of one due to Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa disrupting it.

Or being able to Stop Time and straight up killing your opponent before even an attosecond can pass.

What's more impressive being able to destroy both your opponent, and the entire planet he is on with but a thought. Get me a single instance of Ainz Ooal Gown acting within the time-frame of an attosecond.

The burden of proof lies on you.

And Ainz can create anti-teleportation fields, so all aspects of his wormhole usage have been nullified.

Proof that these anti-teleportation fields are powerful enough to nullify disruptions in space, and time the size of planets? I know there isn't any but it will be amusing to see how you rationalize this in your diseased mind.

There is absolutely no need since you fail to grasp what Immunity means.

No, it is you who continues to fail to grasp the difference between evidence and a baseless claim. An immunity is a resistance to something, and you yourself made clear they are not perfect. Therefore they are not immunities to begin with.

You don't stop being immune to something just because the voltage increases. It's still the same element.

You most certainly do. As even rubber melts if you apply too much of a high voltage to it. There is a limit to how much energy something can take. There is never a point where there is no limit, in reality, or in any fictional medium. There are claims of such but they are unfounded.

And the series already explains that of the very few means to bypass immunity requires Godly-tier, nigh-impossible to acquire special classes, like Ainz's [Eclipse] class, or World-Class items which're reality altering/breaking objects of which only 200 exist and Ainz's guild possessed 11 of them. One of which Ainz keeps on his own person as a counter-measure against other WCI's.

Which have seen the capabilities of, and World Class Items are only planetary in scale. You know, just like Darth Sidious is above at this point? There people beneath him who ravage entire world just by arriving on them. His master in particular. Who he is explicitly noted to have surpassed at this point? The World Class Items don't compare to what Darth Sidious has shown to be capable of.

It's hyperbole.

No, it fucking isn't. The fact you just claimed it is makes it clear that you do not know what hyperbole even is. It clearly describes how the tremor goes from the surface, to the core of the planet, and then to the stars themselves. That there is an explicit change as Darth Sidious murders Darth Plagueis.

Unless you have something that explains why the Jedi Council, who were on Coruscant, as well as all the other Jedi there, failed to mention a huge shift in the dark side as well as the planet itself moving.

They weren't anywhere near there, and we already know they both make every preparation necessary to hide their existence from the Jedi Order. This to the point Darth Sidious could be in front of a Jedi Master, and they don't even realize he is a Sith Lord.

As possibly a result of Sidious' innate telepathic/empathetic shielding, Shaak Ti is incapable of probing him through the Force.

The fact that Palpatine was flustered, confused, possibly frightened was obvious. But when Shaak Ti attempted to read him through the Force, she found it difficult to get a sense of what he was truly feeling.

--Taken from Labyrinth of Evil

Which is ignoring that they suspect that the Jedi Order actually was sensing their activities to an extent.

While manipulating midi-chlorians to imbalance the force.

Palpatine’s eyes sparkled in sadistic delight. Valorum was getting everything he deserved. He had demonstrated some diplomatic skill during the Stark Hyperspace War, but his election to the chancellorship had more to do with a pedigree that included three Supreme Chancellors and deals he had cut with influential families like the Kalpanas and the Tarkins of Eriadu. His adulation of the Jedi Order was well known; less so his hypocrisy—much of his family wealth derived from lucrative contracts his ancestors had entered into with the Trade Federation. His election seven years earlier had been one of the signs Plagueis had been waiting for—the return to power of a Valorum—and had followed on the heels of a remarkable breakthrough Plagueis and Sidious had engineered in manipulating midi-chlorians. A breakthrough the Muun had described as “galactonic.” Both of them suspected that the Jedi had sensed it as well, light-years distant on Coruscant.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Everything you quoted is from Palpatine's personal perspective. Neither the world nor the stars were affected.

No, both the planet and the stars were explicilty effected as noted by the narration and we even see the burst of energy from Darth Plagueis before he dies. That Darth Sidious is at ground zero of it, and it doesn't even faze him.

It just felt that way to him.

Holy shit. You honestly don't know jack shit about Star Wars.

You do know these people are ridiculously powerful clairvoyants, and precognitives? If they feel something amiss it means something.

And yet you use such exaggerations to claim solar status when the guy had to get Plag black-out drunk before killing him in his sleep. *golf clap*

As I noted before Darth Sidious became more powerful than Darth Plagueis after this. The act of murdering Darth Plagueis caused a transference in the force. He took his masters place. As explicit with the Rule of Two. The act of doing so greatly changes someone, and this wasn't even Darth Sidious at his strongest in Dark Empire.

The reason he got his master drunk was because Darth Sidious is not an idiot, and he wasn't about to face someone as powerful as he was at his best.

Again, you fail to grasp how these things work. As I mentioned, it requires things of a Godly-tier or a WCI.

Of which we have seen the scale of, and they are typically beneath what Darth Sidoous is capable of. They are only planetary.

Meaning things on a mass reality altering level.

You mean like how Darth Sidious is able to create disruptions in the space-time continuum large enough to destroy entire worlds?

In other words; Rule Breaking.

Yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda. You are like a broken record.

And, once again, it made a clear difference between Resistance and Immunity.

You yourself proved that the writer of Overlord himself doesn't know what immunity even means, and noted a specific example where it was overpowered. As such it is not a true immunity, and simply a resistance too.

Resistance is only up to a certain point, which rings true for all games.

Oh great, gameplay mechanics. Those are never abused as no-limit fallacies.

#sarcasm

Immunity means nothing of that type will affect you.

You just brought several examples proving that wrong, and that the writer doesn't even know what that word means. In this case this case the translator.

Which, again, is something that exists and works in all manner of games. Griping does not change these facts.

Which, again, is something that is a no-limit fallacy and does not exempt it from the burden of proof. You need solid evidence to back up these claims, and with such broad claims it impossible to provide evidence for them.

Except he's only going so far as to the extent of Force Heal, which was not uncommon in the TOR era. He never claims to be able to bring back the dead himself, only claiming he could save Plag from dying. There is a clear difference.

Darth Sidious explicitly brings up the example with Venamis. Which Darth Plagueis revives, and murders repeatedly using this technique. That he knows the technique, and simply refuses to use it on Darth Plagueis. You know, Darth Venamis? He knows this same technique.

On the same day they had allowed Venamis to die.

Then, by manipulating the Bith’s midi-chlorians, which should have been inert and unresponsive, Plagueis had resurrected him. The enormity of the event had stunned Sidious into silence and overwhelmed and addled 11-4D’s processors, but Plagueis had carried on without assistance, again and again allowing Venamis to die and be returned to life, until the Bith’s organs had given out and Plagueis had finally granted him everlasting death.

But having gained the power to keep another alive hadn’t been enough for him. And so after Sidious had returned to Coruscant, he had devoted himself to internalizing that ability, by manipulating the midi-chlorians that animated him. For several months he made no progress, but ultimately he began to perceive a measured change. The scars that had grown over his wounds had abruptly begun to soften and fade, and he had begun to breathe more freely than he had in twenty years. He began to sense that not only were his damaged tissues healing, but his entire body was rejuvinating itself. Beneath the transpirator, areas of his skin were smooth and youthful, and he knew that eventually he would cease to age altogether.

Drunk on newfound power, then, he had attempted an even more unthinkable act: to bring into being a creation of his own. Not merely the impregnation of some hapless, mindless creature, but the birth of a Forceful being. The ability to dominate death had been a step in the right direction, but it wasn’t equivalent to pure creation. And so he had stretched out—indeed, as if invisible, transubstantiated—to inform every being of his existence, and impact all of them: Muunoid or insectoid, secure or dispossessed, free or enslaved. A warrior waving a banner in triumph on a battlefield. A ghost infiltrating a dream.

But ultimately to no end.

The Force grew silent, as if in flight from him, and many of the animals in his laboratory succumbed to horrifying diseases.

Regardless, eight long years later, Plagueis remained convinced that he was on the verge of absolute success. The evidence was in his own increased midi-chlorian count; and in the power he sensed in Sidious when he had finally returned to Sojourn. The dark side of the Force was theirs to command, and in partnership they would someday be able to keep each other alive, and to rule the galaxy for as long as they saw fit.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

And you have yet to demonstrate how it's different nor how it bypasses Immunity. Again, different mechanics.

No, it isn't. You yourself noted that immunities can be overpowered by things. Which means they are not immunities but resistances. You can't say they're immunities, and then note they have been beaten or can be beaten. In that case they're not immunities.

And Force Ghosts are still connected to the Force, which is what the majority of Force Users use in the application of Telepathy.

So, now you're trying to argue that Darth Sidious can't even use the force here because it's not a part of Ainz Ooal Gown? You do know that even Kyle Katarn was able to use the force against a Yuuzhan Vong. Who are explicitly not connected to it?

Except what you brought up is so vaguely worded and hyperbolic that you can't even quantify it.

No, it is quantifiable. It even gives us the exact number of the population on Byss. 19.7 billion people living there.

You claim he took control of Byss' population. Now explain how he did it. Can you explain how? Cause I'm quite certain you can't explain how. That would require them to actually show him doing it and not just saying he did it.

I already explained how he did it. He used his dark powers, and we know he used it to put them into a dreaming state. We know he drew their life-energies, and we know that he knows how to use force drain. Which what typically used these situations. Heck, here is another excerpt explaining what happened.

Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's vile machinations.

Throughout the worlds submissive to the Empire, Byss is renowned as a paradise, whose siren call multitudes to willingly apply for emigration to its shores. Once there, wrapped in the power of the dark side, the immigrants become completely submissive, their life energy forever enslaved to the mind that would devour a galaxy.

--Taken from the Dark Empire endnotes

Show me what Sid can actually do with it in actual battle instead of using hyperbole.

None of what I posted so far was hyperbole, and it's on you that your reading comprehension is so abysmal.

I know it's your mainstay form of debating, using nothing but hyperbole instead of actual, applicable, quantifiable feats, but do try to actually show him doing something directly.

Now this isn't even original. You're just trying to throw back what I said about you at me. As you are so butt mad you can't come up with anything yourself. You really need to work on your imagination there, pal.

As for Demiurge, his passive is for anyone within range of his voice.

So, in others words the Demiurage has nothing that is quantifiable? Good to know.

Anti-Teleportation makes BFR impossible.

Prove that this Anti-Teleportation is powerful enough negate force storms, and things that can destroy worlds.

TK on sentients also requires overpowering their will and resistance,

In the case of Darth Sidious he can do so against the minds of billions of people. Are you seriously going to erroneously claim that somehow Ainz Ooal Gown has a defense against that when he has no feats against something of that scale?

and Ainz is immune to mental effects and has passive resistances against attacks which Sid has no direct means of bypassing.

As you yourself noted immunities are not flawless even within the context of Overlord, and can be beaten. That they have been beaten.

Yet, you still dishonestly claim that they are unbeatable.

Dark Side =/= Negative Energy and Ainz has Drain Immunity anyway.

Show me Ainz Ooal Gown resisting a force drain, or any equivalent that siphons the energies of billions of people.

Dark Side energy is most certainly not positive energy. It's the exact opposite.

It's like you didn't read anything that was posted at all. Go figure.

Wow, this is ironic coming from you considering what you have just posted. I guess denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

Also Sid's storm he used on a moon, not a planet, and its effect on the surface was gradual over a limited area and was traveling across the moon's surface, not encompassing it entirely. So it's really nothing at all for Ainz to worry about.

Are you forgetting that Dark Sidious used a force storm in Dark Empire #1, and that it ravaged the surface of Coruscant? He specifically used one to collect Luke Skywalker, and bring him to him from across the galaxy. Which again shows both its range, and precision. What's you're thinking of happens in Dark Empire #6 when it destroyed an entire fleet of star-ships surrounding a large moon which eclipsed several other nearby moons in size. You can't even get these events straight. After which point Luke Skywalker, and Leia Organa worked together to make the force storm go out of control.

It is noted to be able to tear the surface off worlds here:

This is perhaps the single most destructive Force power known. This power allows the Jedi to twist the space-time continuum to create vast storms of force. The power also allows limited control of these storms. Capable of creating annihilating vortices, the storms can swallow whole fleets of spaceships or tear the surfaces off worlds.

--Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook and Tales of the Jedi Companion

As well as kill worlds here.

"The Force Storm is truly an awe-inspiring demonstration of pure natural energy. After using the Force to open a hyperspace wormhole, tremendous shockwaves will ripple through the fabric of space. Due to the Force Storm's potential for abuse, the Council has recently classified it as a dark side power."

"The Reborn Emperor used this at Da Soocha. It has the power to kill worlds."

—Luke

--Taken from The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force

Which is backed up by the fact weaker Sith Lords such as Darth Plagueis, and Darth Nihilus can ravage entire planets with almost no effort on their part.

But since you love hyperbole,

Nothing that I posted so far has been hyperbole.

Ainz can easily kill the tree demon Zy'tl Q'ae, which is said to have the power to destroy the world.

Now show me them actually doing anything like that. I already showed you what Darth Plagueis could do as he was dying when he shook an entire planet to its core along with several nearby stars, and him ravaging an entire world just by arriving on it. It is clearly not hyperbole, and describing an event that is happening. Which is even written in the third person, and not the first person making it clear that it is the narrator describing events.

A tremor took hold of the planet.

Sprung from death, it unleashed itself in a powerful wave, at once burrowing deep into the world’s core and radiating through its saccharine atmosphere to shake the stars themselves. At the quake’s epicenter stood Sidious, one elegant hand vised on the burnished sill of an expansive translucency, a vessel filled suddenly to bursting, the Force so strong within him that he feared he might disappear into it, never to return. But the moment didn’t constitute an ending so much as a true beginning, long overdue; it was less a transformation than an intensification—a gravitic shift.

A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.

Slowly, almost reluctantly, he came back to himself, his gaze settling on his manicured hands. Returned to the present, he took note of his rapid breathing, while behind him the room labored to restore order. Air scrubbers hummed—costly wall tapestries undulating in the summoned breeze. Prized carpets sealed their fibers against the spread of spilled fluids. The droid shuffled in obvious confliction. Sidious pivoted to take in the disarray: antique furniture overturned; framed artwork askew. As if a whirlwind had swept through. And facedown on the floor lay a statue of Yanjon, one of four law-giving sages of Dwartii.

A piece Sidious had secretly coveted.

Also sprawled there, Plagueis: his slender limbs splayed and elongated head turned to one side. Dressed in finery, as for a night on the town.

And now dead.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Later it would be said by Naboo and Gungan alike that they couldn’t recall a colder winter than the one that followed Hego Damask’s autumnal visit to their world. The rivers and even the falls below Theed froze; the rolling plains and tall forests were blanketed three meters deep with snow; plasmic quakes rocked the Gallo Mountains and the Lake Country, the Holy Places and the undersea city of Otoh Gunga; and many of the egresses of the underwaterways that hollowed the planet were blocked by ice floes.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

So we can range that anywhere from life-wiping to planet-busting.

No, you can't because unlike Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious they don't have feats to back up their claims.

Ainz confers with the Floor Guardians and flat out states that any of them could kill it easily and would pose no threat at all to them.

Which again proves that they're not capable of destroying planets if characters that weak can manhandle them. Nice job doing my work for me.

Zy'tl Q'ae is also roughly a third the size of an Imperial Star Destroyer.

Not impressive random Jedi Knights like Rivi-Anu can hold up things the size of Star Destroyers long enough for her allies to escape, and Galen Marek is able to change the course of ISD as it is going through atmospheric re-entry. Which means he dealt with both it, and the resulting kinetic energy from falling from orbit. Who both beneath Darth Sidious by a considerable margin to the point Galen Marek's suicide attack did Darth Sidious no harm, and Rivi-Anu is the bog standard for Jedi Knights.

No it just bends space to create a wormhole. Still not nearly as impressive as summoning the power of an eldritch horror from Lovecraftian mythos.

False equivalence. I already brought this up at Anime Vice. Any alternate versions of a Great Old One do not apply to all versions of it. Just like Hercules from God of War doesn't get Hercules accolades, and abilities from Marvel. By the way, D never fought Cthulhu and it was a flimsy expy of it where they didn't even get the name right.

@decaf_wizard: @nerdchore: @boogeymonster:

He is the Overlord of Death. One who encroaches upon and consumes all life. In his own words; "How does it feel to witness power that can deal death to the dead?"

In all things, Sid is outmatched. His combative ability fails. He has no counter to the powers to which Ainz commands. And he cannot return should Ainz decide to bar him from life itself.

Why did you make this thread if you're already convinced of who wins?

lol

just lol

To socialize and inform.

Mostly because Reigan made this thread in response to Naruto and Sasuke versus Darth Sidious and Abeloth versus Kaguya.

He never intended to take the match seriously, and has always been trying to make a spite thread. Which failed as he used a comparably weaker character.

Me: Posts mountains of evidence, and notes the context he ignores or purposely misinterprets. As well as showing that Darth Sidious works on a much grander scale than Ainz Ooal Gown.

Reigan: "Oh wow, Ainz Ooal Gown is the strongest guys! He can deal death to the dead!"

While ignoring that even Darth Nox can do this after learning flow walking, and that Galen Marek can straight up destroy Obiwan Kenobi's force ghost in the dark side ending of SW: TFU.

Reigan is a piece of work.

@boogeymonster:It's actually hilarious that you consider buckets of hyperbole as evidence or that things performed by completely different characters are somehow applicable to Sid.

Your Claim: Since Nihilus can drain a planet with a word, so can Sid because Sid is stronger.

The Truth: Nihilus is a Force Wound, making him fundamentally different from Sid or any other Sith, and his mass-drain ability is tied to the incident in which he became a Force Wound and is reliant upon a large source of Force Energy being available for it to work properly. Otherwise he suffers a backlash effect, as was the case when he tried to drain the planet Telos and it failed because it had barely any life on it at all. Sid has never force-drained a planet nor demonstrated the ability to use drain on the same level as Nihilus.

Your Claim: Since a random Jedi can hold back a freighter from crashing, that means Sid can lift far more because he is more powerful.

The Truth: Ignoring the fact this was an act of desperation and the fact the Venator-class is 2/3rds the size of an ISD, Sid having more raw force power than others does not mean his application of Force TK is automatically superior. In fact his displays of TK are relatively low and his go-to attack revolves around Force Lightning and Dun Moch tactics. Sid's actual displays of TK are nowhere near this.

Your Claim: Sid can control a planet of people so he can mind control anyone!.

The Truth: There is no explanation of how this was accomplished nor is he shown in direct control of them, only that the populace is under his influence and is described more as being under the affect of subliminal messages or hypnotic suggestion, not mind control. It also doesn't explain why he doesn't do this to all of Courscant, Felucia, Tattooine, Hutta, and every other planet in the galaxy to be in total control before and after the Jedi Purge. It's also a fact in-canon that some races, like the Hutts, are immune to such mental affects and influences. Claims of Sid just being more powerful so they should work has never been proven in-universe.

Your Claim: Plag's death caused the planet and nearby stars to quake, so that makes Sid star-level at least!

The Truth: That was only how Sid felt it from his perspective, as I pointed out before. If Coruscant had shaken, everyone would've felt it. Especially the Jedi. And if there had been something that could physically shake stars, those stars would've collapsed from the sudden instability and exploded. Yet nothing like that happened. Since this is Star Wars, it was meant as a tremor in the Force, and as the force is part of just about everything, planets and stars included, then yes, you could say that Plag's death caused a tremor that shook these things. Just not physically. It'd be nothing more than an empathic feelning, much like with when Alderaan was destroyed and Kenobi could sense the death of a world and its inhabitants, as such a shock would send such a tremor through the Force to be felt by those sensitive to it.

Your Claim: Force Storm Wormhole can kill worlds!

The Truth: Over Time. And so long as Sid maintains the effect and isn't distracted, interrupted or killed. But still begins with a limited radius and needs to travel across a world, bit by bit, in order to accomplish this. As has already been explained.

Your Argument: You can't prove Ainz or whoever can kill a giant monster! Like that tree thing!

The Truth: Actually, even barring instantdeath abilities, it was made rather apparent they could with the Overlord CD drama #1 that was released with vol4 of the light novel. To which all the CD dramas are in canon. In which Demiurge temporarily froze it solid with one of his skills, just because it was being noisy while they were having a conversation with Ainz. I suggest reading/listening to them from the beginning, but getting to the meat of things starts around here;

You'll also note Shalltear deflecting one of its 300m long tentacles by just knocking it aside while it was attacking them with it, casually showing that her physical strength is far greater than its own, despite it being said that the creature would be comparatively around Lv85.

Your Argument: False Equivalencies do not apply!

Counter: Except that the game world of Yggdrasil is entirely based within those mytholigies, holding more than 2000 Classes/Races and over 7000 Spells and Skills, and has objects capable of rewriting reality. Also, Ainz didn't summon Shub-Niggurath herself, but her children by offering up a sacrifice with the Super-Tier spell in question. And I'd say that the fact the spell actually functioned would imply that the cthonic entities do exist in some form within this universe.

Your Argument: Other Force Users can fight the dead so Sid can do it too!

Counter: Except Nox had a specific ability that allowed a stronger connection and pull with the dead, and learned a specific ritual that allowed Nox to bind the dead, not destroy them. And, once again, claiming Sid can kills ghosts because Starkiller did it once, is nothing short of hilarious. Not only is TFU not even canon to the rest of the EU, but once again, Sid himself fails to actually demonstrate this.

Your Argument: Sid can just ragdoll him with TK!

Counter: TK has consistently failed when something is impeding it. Force Users have often been shown being unable to do anything when barred by a Rey Shield, suggesting that other energy forms have a way of disrupting how the force operates when directed against such. It can also be blocked/repelled by other Force users using barriers, such is what keeps them from having their lightsabers taken away. Ainz has automatic/passive defenses. To even affect him, Sid would have to find a means of bypassing not only those, but also overcoming Ainz's resistance and any number of defensive spells he decides to cast on himself. Not including stat/ability buff spells on top of that.

Your Argument: Sid is faster because OL characters are not consistent!

The Truth: Actually, they are consistent. The Tier 5 spell [Dragon Lightning] is described as being as fast as an actual bolt of lightning from the sky. Which is to say anywhere between Mach 80,000 and Mach 200,000. And is considered so weak and useless in the areas Ainz normally farmed in that such low-tier spells are almost never used by him, most often employing only Tier 9-10 spells and Super-Tier magic in those high-end areas.

Brain Unglaus' attack on Shalltear was lightspeed to lightspeed+ and Shalltear quite effortlessly stopped it both times, making her low FTL in reaction speeds. Brain uses the same attack against a member of the Eight Fingers organization and succeeds, so we know it still worked the same even when not fighting Shalltear, and used an upgraded form of it against Shalltear during the Demon Invasion of Re-Estize. Making the abilities used and described, as well as the figures involved, quite consistent.

Which means Ainz is as fast or faster than Sid on a baseline because Shalltear was fighting him seriously and he was able to not only observe her attacks, but also evade and counter them. At least those that weren't auto-targeting, like her [Purifying Lance].

Your Argument: Sid could still just dominate his mind!

The Truth: Except, as we've established, Ainz is immune to such things, and has mind control abilities of his own, and possesses magic that allows him to alter and manipulate memories.

Your Counter: But you said yourself immunities are not absolute!

Fact: That's incorrect. The immunities themselves are absolute unless an overriding ability is used. Which is something that is entirely game-breaking, but also limited in its use. [The Goal of all Life is Death] is one such overriding ability that could only be acquired under very, Very specific conditions, and can only be performed once every 100hrs. It is an ability on the level of a World-Class Item.

I`m pretty sure Aainz wins, that guy is pure hax.

Good to know you haven't read any of my posts, and did not bother to look at any of them. Since you're repeating the same rhetoric I have already debunked several times before. I will ask you again to actually address half the things I have.

@boogeymonster said:

@reikai:

And you fail to understand the vast difference and standards it holds.

No, I am not. You are failing to realize that Ainz Ooal Gown's utterly garbage reality slash pales in comparison to something that can literally destroy worlds.

Especially since the Wormhole acts in a DoT fashion. Which makes it far less useful in actual combat.

No, it doesn't even before mastering it Darth Sidious could use it in such a precise way that he can use it teleport himself light-years away without causing any collateral damage to his surroundings.

[Reality Slash] may be single-target in nature, however the size of the target is all but irrelevant to its use.

No, it really is relevant as what you showed me did not show me reality slash destroying an entire space fleet or ravaging an entire world. It is garbage by comparison, the tear is reality is laughably tiny, and it can't do anything that matches up.

The wormhole is able to encompass kilometer sized ships. Neat.

The tear in the space-time continuum that rips open holes into hyperspace which is another dimension entirely, and can encompass entire worlds.

Ainz can transform and alter an area with a more than 200mi radius.

Not impressive at all. Darth Plagueis can nearly cause an apocalyptic event on Naboo just by arriving on the planet, and he didn't have to do anything. He is beneath Darth Sidious at this point, and Darth Sidious learned everything from him.

And that was just as a test. Effectively displaying the range he can encompass being much larger than that of the Force Wormhole.

No, it really isn't. The range a force storm can stretch across an entire world, and a force storm itself can be comparable in size to one.

And Ainz can cast {Silent} Spells with just thought as well and activate instantly. Like his Time Stop.

Not instantly unless you now want to claim Ainz Ooal Gown has infinite speed with no evidence to back it up. As I already noted there is nothing stopping Darth Sidious from destroying Ainz Ooal Gown before then. He faster than characters who are faster than characters who as fast as Ainz Ooal Gown. It would take all but a nanosecond for Darth Sidious to pulverize him into dust.

{Silent} spells are just spells he can cast without verbalizing them or incanting them. Meaning he casts them instantly.

Which is not helping against Darth Sidious when he has clairvoyance and precognition. He is going to know about them before he even casts them, and how he should counter them.

Before receiving any training in the Force, Palpatine foresees that Plagueis would arrive at an event on Chandrila and divulges that he has frequent premonitions.

The planet Chandrila sponsored a monthlong retreat for members of the Legislative Youth Program. Once a year young beings from a host of worlds arrived to participate in mock Senate trials in and around Hanna City and to tour Chandrila’s vast agricultural projects, wilderness areas, coral reefs, and garden parks. It was in Gladean Park—a game reserve outside coastal Hanna—that Plagueis paid young Palpatine an unannounced visit. But it was Plagueis who was surprised.

“I knew you would come, Magister,” Palpatine said when Plagueis and 11-4D turned up at one of the game reserve’s viewing blinds.

“How did you know?”

“I knew, that’s all.”

“And just how often are your premonitions correct?”

“Almost always.”

“Curious,” 11-4D remarked while Palpatine was hurrying away to excuse himself from the company of two friends.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Before receiving any training in the Force, Palpatine senses Plagueis' powers.

Palpatine’s lip curled in anger and menace. “Is this the wisdom you offer—the tenets of some arcane cult?”

“The test of its value is whether you can live by it, Palpatine.”

“If I had wanted that I would have forced my parents years ago to surrender me to the Jedi Order instead of transferring me from school to private school.”

Plagueis planted his hands on his hips and laughed without mirth. “And of what possible use do you think a person of your nature would be to the Jedi Order? You’re heartless, ambitious, arrogant, insidious, and without shame or empathy. More, you’re a murderer.” He held Palpatine’s hooded gaze and watched the youth’s hands clench in fists of rage. “Careful, boy,” he said after a moment. “You are not the only being in this plush stateroom with the power to kill.”

Palpatine’s eyes opened wide and he took a step back. “I can sense it...”

Plagueis grew deliberately haughty. “What you sense is a fraction of what I can bring to bear.”

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He sees through the eyes of a beast while hunting.

Blended into the herd, the animal Sidious had fixed his sight on would have been indistinguishable to normal beings. But Sidious had the animal in his mind and was now looking through its eyes, one with it.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He perceives beings around him as blurs of energy.

Pax Teem was about to speak when a Gran messenger intruded on the privacy canopy.

“Senator Kim, we are in receipt of an urgent communiqué from Naboo.”

While Kim was excusing himself, Palpatine dropped into the Force. Conversation at the table grew faint, and the physical forms of Pax Teem and the others became indistinct—more like blurs of lambent energy.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Palpatine feels the presence of a Nightsister, is guided toward her location, and senses dark energies emanating from her.

Some combination of the strictures—or perhaps recognition on Plagueis’s part for his apprentice’s unabated craving to visit Sith worlds—had landed Palpatine on scenic Dathomir. Sparsely populated and largely unexplored, Dathomir wasn’t Korriban or Ziost, but it was powerful in the Force, in part because of its fecundity, but mainly due to the presence of groups of female adepts who practiced dark side magicks.

He was meandering without clear purpose through one of Blue Desert City’s dustier quarters, far from the city center, when became aware of a faint pulse of Force energy, the origin of which was indistinct but close at hand.

Calling more deeply on the Force, he allowed himself to be drawn toward the mysterious source, as if he were a starship surrendering to the embrace of a tractor beam. A tortuous series of turns delivered him into a market area brimming with knockoff goods, ersatz jewelry, and bits and pieces of junk that had found its way to Dathomir from who knew where, and ultimately to a small square amid the hustle and bustle, on one corner of which stood a human female, whose symmetrically blemished face was the color of burnished durasteel, and whose flamboyant clothing identified her as a visitor to the city, likely from some remote village on the planet’s far side. The hood of her crimson robe was raised, and from one shoulder hung a soft bag the size of a small suitcase.

Palpatine moved to the square’s diagonal corner to observe her. She was eyeing individuals in the passing crowd, not as if searching for someone in particular, but with a gaze more in keeping with target acquisition. She didn’t strike Palpatine as a thief or pickpocket, though she did exude a dark energy informed by equal measures of urgency and deceit.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

As his power grows, Palpatine more frequently sees beings through his Force perception and detects details he was oblivious to before.

The hood of his stylish robe raised against a chill wind, Palpatine hurried through the streets of Theed. The sudden turn in the weather abetted his desire to avoid making eye contact with strangers or, worse, encountering anyone he knew. As he grew stronger in the dark side, the profane world became a stranger and stranger place, swept by currents he’d had no previous awareness of and populated by vaguely outlined life-forms he saw as magnitudes of the Force.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

While talking with Plagueis, Dooku, and Sifo-Dyas, Palpatine senses that an onlooker is closely watching him.

Palpatine sensed scrutiny from someone outside the circle the ten of them had formed. Just short of the Senate Building's Great Door, Pax Teem had stopped and was gazing at Palpatine, his eyestalks extended. And Palpatine could hardly blame him, since even he had been caught off guard by Plagueis's eagerness to acknowledge him in public.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

His attention is drawn to an upper window where Sun Guards enter the building.

No sooner did the holoimage dissolve than two of the security men began to advance on him. Sidious readied himself for action. A Force blow to send them reeling back toward the holoprojector, then a leap, arms extended, hands curled into claws, one for each windpipe, which he would tear from their throats—

The Force intruded, drawing his attention to the windows in the upper walls.

At once, the sound of repeating blasters and pained cries echoed from adjacent rooms; then a nerve-jangling shattering of glass as Sun Guards crashed through the high windows and began to rappel to the filthy floor, firing as they slid down on their microfilament lines, catching the Santhe men and the Rodian with so many bolts that their bodies were left quartered by the volleys.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Palpatine senses Sate Pestage outside his door and feels the dark side being unleashed at an attack on Hego Damask.

He was standing in the center of the room when he sensed someone in the corridor outside. Fists pummeled the door; then it slid to one side and Sate Pestage burst into the room. Seeing Palpatine, he came to a sudden stop, and the panicked look he wore on entering transformed to one of visible relief.

“I’ve been trying to reach you,” he nearly screamed, running a hand over his forehead.

Palpatine regarded him quizzically. “I was occupied. What has happened?”

Pestage sank into a chair and looked up at him. “Are you sure you want to know?” He paused, then said, “In the interest of separating what I do from what you do—”

Palpatine’s eyes blazed. “Stop wasting my time and come to the point.”

Pestage gritted his teeth. “The Maladian commander I did business with during the Kim affair.”

“What of him?”

“He contacted me—two, maybe three hours ago. He said that he felt humiliated because of the manner in which the Kim contract had been implemented, and wanted to make it up to me. He said he’d just received word that a Maladian faction had accepted a contract to carry out a major hit on Coruscant, involving someone closely affiliated with Damask Holdings.” Pestage kept his eyes on Palpatine. “I feared it might be you.”

Palpatine swung back to the window to think. Had the Santhe guards planned to turn him over to the Maladians following the holocommunication with Pax Teem?

He turned to Pestage. “Who took out the contract?

“Members of the Gran Protectorate.”

“It fits,” Palpatine said, more to himself.

“What fits?”

“Where are these Gran now?”

“As soon as I heard from the Maladian, I asked Kinman to keep an eye on them. They’re holed up in the Malastare ambassador’s residence.”

Palpatine blinked. “Here? On Coruscant?”

“Of course, here.”

“It’s not possible that they’re offworld?”

“No, they’re downside.”

Palpatine paced away from Pestage. He opened himself fully to the Force, and was left staggered by an inrush of overwhelming malevolence. He planted his left hand on the desk for support and managed a stuttering inhale. Somewhere close by, the dark side was unspooling.

“Palpatine!” Pestage said from behind him.

“Hego Damask,” Palpatine said, without turning around.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

While traveling to Aborah, Sidious has a vision of Aborah and perceives it inordinately saturated in the dark side.

A standard month after the events on Coruscant, Plagueis summoned Sidious to Muunilinst. Sidious had visited the High Port skyhook but had never been invited downside, and now he found himself soaring over one of the planet’s unspoiled blue oceans in a stylish airspeeder piloted by two Sun Guards. As the speeder approached Aborah, he settled deeply into the Force and was rewarded with a vision of the mountain island as a transcendent vortex of dark energy unlike anything he had ever experienced. It was something he would have expected to encounter only on Korriban or some other Sith world.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He senses lifeforms which are used in Plagueis' experiments in locked cells.

Sidious was still trying to make sense of the droid’s statements when they entered a long corridor lined with windowless cells. Through the Force he could sense life-forms behind each locked door.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He knows that Maul is still upset about a snake bite.

"I know you're still upset about the snake that bit you," Sidious said, continuing around the watery orb until he had a clear view of Maul. "I know everything about you, Maul. Everything."

--Taken from The Wrath of Darth Maul

Sidious is aware of a drawing made on the wall of Maul's room.

Maul's steps did not falter as he continued following the droid, but his mind was suddenly racing. He wondered what consequences he might suffer because of the drawing. He said, "Did Master Sidious see the drawing?"

"I don't know. I erased it right after you fell asleep."

"Then how would he even know about the drawing...unless you told him?"

"I didn't have to tell him," TD-D9 said. "You should know by now, child...Sidious knows everything."

--Taken from The Wrath of Darth Maul

Sidious sees Plagueis' form in the Force.

Just arrived on the Hunters’ Moon, Sidious studied Plagueis as the Sith Lord and his droid, 11-4D, viewed a holorecording of a black-robed Zabrak assassin making short work of combat automata in his home on Coruscant, some hovering, some advancing on two legs, others on treads, and all firing blasters.

Twenty years had added a slight stoop to the Muun’s posture and veins that stood out under his thinning white skin. He wore a dark green utility suit that hugged his delicate frame, a green cloak that fell from his bony shoulders to the fort’s stone floor, and a headpiece that hewed to his large cranium. A triangular breath mask covered his ruined, prognathus lower jaw, his mouth, part of his long neck, and what remained of the craggy nose he’d had before the surprise attack in the Fobosi. A device of his own invention, the alloy mask featured two vertical slits and a pair of thin, stiff conduits that linked it to a transpirator affixed to his upper chest, beneath an armored torso harness. He had learned to ingest and imbibe through feeding tubes, and through his nose.

Seen through the Force, he was a nuclear oval of mottled light, a rotating orb of terrifying energy. If the Maladian attack had weakened him physically, it had also helped to shape his etheric body into a vessel sufficiently strong to contain the full power of the dark side.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He senses the position and flight path of the Scimitar even after the cloaking devices render it invisible.

Maul bowed his head and hurried up the rear boarding ramp into the cockpit module. Sidious lingered to watch the ship rise and edge out of the hangar, becoming invisible as it flew over The Works. Through the dark side, he continued to track the Scimitar as it angled north toward the Jedi Temple rather than south, and away from the Senate District.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Sidious is capable of interpreting the currents of the Force to ascertain information and does so to learn that Nute Gunray had lied.

Sidious stood motionless and silent on the transmission grid, his fingers steepled, his mind meditating on the eddies and currents of the Force. Those of lesser sensitivity were oblivious to it, but to him it was like an omnipresent mist, invisible but nonetheless tangible, that swirled and drifted constantly about him. No words, no descriptions could begin to convey what it was like; the only way to understand it was to experience it. He had learned over long years of study and meditation how to interpret each and every vagary of its restless flow, no matter how slight. Even without that ability, however, he would have known that Nute Gunray was lying about Hath Monchar's whereabouts.

--Taken from Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter

He senses a communication sent to him before it arrives and ascertains that Maul is telling the truth.

Darth Sidious could feel a slight disturbance in the Force before his scrambled comlink chimed, and knew by this that his apprentice was about to contact him. He stepped to the holoprojector and activated the grid. Privacy failsafes glowed green before he spoke.

"My apprentice. Your mission is complete." It was a statement, not a question. Sidious knew Darth Maul would not call to report failure, and there were no untoward signs in the energies that surrounded his image.

"Yes, my master. The Jedi Padawan died in combat. She fought well, for a neophyte. An explosion generated from our battle destroyed Lorn Pavan and his droid." Darth Sidious nodded. He could feel the truth of the statement even at this distance. This was excellent news.

--Taken from Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter

He stretches out with the Force and is guided by the dark side to act on his opportunity to kill Plagueis.

A few meters distant, Sidious came to a halt, gazing at Plagueis for a long moment, as though making up his mind about something. Then, blowing out his breath, he set his own glass down and reached for the cloak he had draped over a chair. Swirling it around himself, he started for the door, only to stop shortly before he reached it. Turning and stretching out with the Force, he glanced around the room, as one might to fix a memory in the mind. Briefly his gaze fell on the droid, its glowing photoreceptors whirring to regard him in evident curiosity.

A look of sinister purpose contorted Sidious’s face.

Again, his eyes darted around the room, and the dark side whispered:

Your election assured, the Sun Guards absent, Plagueis unsuspecting and asleep...

And he moved in a blur.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Sidious views Plaguies through the Force and notices his gathering midi-chlorians.

Sidious peered at Plagueis through the Force. "Oh, yes, by all means gather your midi-chlorians, Plagueis."

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He feels a disturbance in the Force and then stretches his perception to view distant stars.

A tremor took hold of the planet.

Sprung from death, it unleashed itself in a powerful wave, at once burrowing deep into the world’s core and radiating through its saccharine atmosphere to shake the stars themselves. At the quake’s epicenter stood Sidious, one elegant hand vised on the burnished sill of an expansive translucency, a vessel filled suddenly to bursting, the Force so strong within him that he feared he might disappear into it, never to return. But the moment didn’t constitute an ending so much as a true beginning, long overdue; it was less a transformation than an intensification—a gravitic shift.

A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Sidious peers into the past to uncover information about Darth Plagueis and Tenebrous.

Sidious had never learned how Plagueis’s own Master had met his end. Had he died at Plagueis’s hand? Had Plagueis, too, experienced a similar exultation on becoming a sole Sith Lord? Had the beast of the end time risen then to peek at the world it was to inhabit, knowing its release was imminent?

He raised his gaze to the ecliptic. The answers were out there, coded in light, speeding through space and time. Liquid fire coursing through him, visions of past and future riffling through his mind, he opened himself to the reconfigured galaxy, as if in an effort to peel away the decades...

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He feels a sense of loss upon Maul's defeat.

Sidious moved back into the room to take a closer look at Plagueis. Then, after a long moment, he returned to the window and pulled the drapes aside.

His spirit soared, but briefly.

Something was shading his sense of triumph: a vague awareness of a power greater than himself. Was it Plagueis reaching out from the far side of death to vex him? Or was the feeling a mere consequence of apotheosis?

Outside, the summits of the tallest buildings were gilded by the first rays of daylight.

With the Battle of Naboo concluded—lost, in his estimation—Palpatine had no time to bask in adulation or celebrate his win. His first order of business, indeed his first official duty, was to travel to his homeworld to congratulate Queen Amidala and her new allies, the Gungans, on their surprise victory.

It wasn’t until he arrived in Theed and learned of Darth Maul’s defeat at the hands of the Jedi in a power-generator station that he understood in part the reason for the sense of loss and profound solitude he had experienced following the murder of Plagueis.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Sidious foresees every maneuver Maul and Savage make prior to its use.

But strong as he had become, Maul found himself in awe of Sidious. The Sith Lord was astonishingly fast and efficient, and the Force flowed through him effortlessly. His sabers stabbed and slashed through the smallest hole in an opponent’s guard, his movements never carried him a millimeter out of position, and he could sense every attack Maul and Savage made before it developed.

--Taken from Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracy

Sidious notes a detail in a conversation with Darth Tyranus without being told.

Even via hologram, the flickering figure of Darth Sidious, hideous in blue and shadows, seemed to strip his false youth away, leaving his bones brittle, his joints worn thin and knotted with tension. "These are the envoys from Troxar," his Master said. How could he know? Dooku didn't ask. Darth Sidious knew. He always knew.

--Taken from Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

Palpatine can detect currents in events and determine possibilities from them.

Once again, Darth Sidious had divined the actions they would take well in advance of their own deciding. The talent had less to do with being able to peer into the future, than with having access to streams of possibilities. Sidious wasn't unerring. He could be surprised or taken off his guard—as at Geonosis, as in the case of Gunray's mechno-chair—but not for long. His mastery of the dark side of the Force endowed him with the power to decipher the currents that comprised the future, and to comprehend that while those currents were manifold, they were not boundless. Such mastery was one of the skills that distinguished Sidious from Yoda, who believed the future was so much in motion it could not be read with any clarity—especially during times when the dark side was on the ascendant. But how could Yoda be expected to see the whole picture with one eye closed? Deliberately closed.

--Taken from Labyrinth of Evil

Sidious can perceive events wherever darkness exists and feels Anakin's turmoil and the approach of Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, Saesee Tiin, and Agen Kolar.

The Coruscant nightfall was spreading through the galaxy. The darkness in the Force was no hindrance to the shadow in the Chancellor's office; it was the darkness. Wherever darkness dwelled, the shadow could send perception. In the night, the shadow felt the boy's anguish, and it was good. The shadow felt the grim determination of four Jedi Masters approaching by air. This, too, was good.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

So what is more useful? Creating a wormhole that you can't fully control and could potentially kill you when using it?

Another lie on your part. Darth Sidious has complete control over his force storms by the time of Dark Empire, and only lost control of one due to Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa disrupting it.

Or being able to Stop Time and straight up killing your opponent before even an attosecond can pass.

What's more impressive being able to destroy both your opponent, and the entire planet he is on with but a thought. Get me a single instance of Ainz Ooal Gown acting within the time-frame of an attosecond.

The burden of proof lies on you.

And Ainz can create anti-teleportation fields, so all aspects of his wormhole usage have been nullified.

Proof that these anti-teleportation fields are powerful enough to nullify disruptions in space, and time the size of planets? I know there isn't any but it will be amusing to see how you rationalize this in your diseased mind.

There is absolutely no need since you fail to grasp what Immunity means.

No, it is you who continues to fail to grasp the difference between evidence and a baseless claim. An immunity is a resistance to something, and you yourself made clear they are not perfect. Therefore they are not immunities to begin with.

You don't stop being immune to something just because the voltage increases. It's still the same element.

You most certainly do. As even rubber melts if you apply too much of a high voltage to it. There is a limit to how much energy something can take. There is never a point where there is no limit, in reality, or in any fictional medium. There are claims of such but they are unfounded.

And the series already explains that of the very few means to bypass immunity requires Godly-tier, nigh-impossible to acquire special classes, like Ainz's [Eclipse] class, or World-Class items which're reality altering/breaking objects of which only 200 exist and Ainz's guild possessed 11 of them. One of which Ainz keeps on his own person as a counter-measure against other WCI's.

Which have seen the capabilities of, and World Class Items are only planetary in scale. You know, just like Darth Sidious is above at this point? There people beneath him who ravage entire world just by arriving on them. His master in particular. Who he is explicitly noted to have surpassed at this point? The World Class Items don't compare to what Darth Sidious has shown to be capable of.

It's hyperbole.

No, it fucking isn't. The fact you just claimed it is makes it clear that you do not know what hyperbole even is. It clearly describes how the tremor goes from the surface, to the core of the planet, and then to the stars themselves. That there is an explicit change as Darth Sidious murders Darth Plagueis.

Unless you have something that explains why the Jedi Council, who were on Coruscant, as well as all the other Jedi there, failed to mention a huge shift in the dark side as well as the planet itself moving.

They weren't anywhere near there, and we already know they both make every preparation necessary to hide their existence from the Jedi Order. This to the point Darth Sidious could be in front of a Jedi Master, and they don't even realize he is a Sith Lord.

As possibly a result of Sidious' innate telepathic/empathetic shielding, Shaak Ti is incapable of probing him through the Force.

The fact that Palpatine was flustered, confused, possibly frightened was obvious. But when Shaak Ti attempted to read him through the Force, she found it difficult to get a sense of what he was truly feeling.

--Taken from Labyrinth of Evil

Which is ignoring that they suspect that the Jedi Order actually was sensing their activities to an extent.

While manipulating midi-chlorians to imbalance the force.

Palpatine’s eyes sparkled in sadistic delight. Valorum was getting everything he deserved. He had demonstrated some diplomatic skill during the Stark Hyperspace War, but his election to the chancellorship had more to do with a pedigree that included three Supreme Chancellors and deals he had cut with influential families like the Kalpanas and the Tarkins of Eriadu. His adulation of the Jedi Order was well known; less so his hypocrisy—much of his family wealth derived from lucrative contracts his ancestors had entered into with the Trade Federation. His election seven years earlier had been one of the signs Plagueis had been waiting for—the return to power of a Valorum—and had followed on the heels of a remarkable breakthrough Plagueis and Sidious had engineered in manipulating midi-chlorians. A breakthrough the Muun had described as “galactonic.” Both of them suspected that the Jedi had sensed it as well, light-years distant on Coruscant.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Everything you quoted is from Palpatine's personal perspective. Neither the world nor the stars were affected.

No, both the planet and the stars were explicilty effected as noted by the narration and we even see the burst of energy from Darth Plagueis before he dies. That Darth Sidious is at ground zero of it, and it doesn't even faze him.

It just felt that way to him.

Holy shit. You honestly don't know jack shit about Star Wars.

You do know these people are ridiculously powerful clairvoyants, and precognitives? If they feel something amiss it means something.

And yet you use such exaggerations to claim solar status when the guy had to get Plag black-out drunk before killing him in his sleep. *golf clap*

As I noted before Darth Sidious became more powerful than Darth Plagueis after this. The act of murdering Darth Plagueis caused a transference in the force. He took his masters place. As explicit with the Rule of Two. The act of doing so greatly changes someone, and this wasn't even Darth Sidious at his strongest in Dark Empire.

The reason he got his master drunk was because Darth Sidious is not an idiot, and he wasn't about to face someone as powerful as he was at his best.

Again, you fail to grasp how these things work. As I mentioned, it requires things of a Godly-tier or a WCI.

Of which we have seen the scale of, and they are typically beneath what Darth Sidoous is capable of. They are only planetary.

Meaning things on a mass reality altering level.

You mean like how Darth Sidious is able to create disruptions in the space-time continuum large enough to destroy entire worlds?

In other words; Rule Breaking.

Yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda. You are like a broken record.

And, once again, it made a clear difference between Resistance and Immunity.

You yourself proved that the writer of Overlord himself doesn't know what immunity even means, and noted a specific example where it was overpowered. As such it is not a true immunity, and simply a resistance too.

Resistance is only up to a certain point, which rings true for all games.

Oh great, gameplay mechanics. Those are never abused as no-limit fallacies.

#sarcasm

Immunity means nothing of that type will affect you.

You just brought several examples proving that wrong, and that the writer doesn't even know what that word means. In this case this case the translator.

Which, again, is something that exists and works in all manner of games. Griping does not change these facts.

Which, again, is something that is a no-limit fallacy and does not exempt it from the burden of proof. You need solid evidence to back up these claims, and with such broad claims it impossible to provide evidence for them.

Except he's only going so far as to the extent of Force Heal, which was not uncommon in the TOR era. He never claims to be able to bring back the dead himself, only claiming he could save Plag from dying. There is a clear difference.

Darth Sidious explicitly brings up the example with Venamis. Which Darth Plagueis revives, and murders repeatedly using this technique. That he knows the technique, and simply refuses to use it on Darth Plagueis. You know, Darth Venamis? He knows this same technique.

On the same day they had allowed Venamis to die.

Then, by manipulating the Bith’s midi-chlorians, which should have been inert and unresponsive, Plagueis had resurrected him. The enormity of the event had stunned Sidious into silence and overwhelmed and addled 11-4D’s processors, but Plagueis had carried on without assistance, again and again allowing Venamis to die and be returned to life, until the Bith’s organs had given out and Plagueis had finally granted him everlasting death.

But having gained the power to keep another alive hadn’t been enough for him. And so after Sidious had returned to Coruscant, he had devoted himself to internalizing that ability, by manipulating the midi-chlorians that animated him. For several months he made no progress, but ultimately he began to perceive a measured change. The scars that had grown over his wounds had abruptly begun to soften and fade, and he had begun to breathe more freely than he had in twenty years. He began to sense that not only were his damaged tissues healing, but his entire body was rejuvinating itself. Beneath the transpirator, areas of his skin were smooth and youthful, and he knew that eventually he would cease to age altogether.

Drunk on newfound power, then, he had attempted an even more unthinkable act: to bring into being a creation of his own. Not merely the impregnation of some hapless, mindless creature, but the birth of a Forceful being. The ability to dominate death had been a step in the right direction, but it wasn’t equivalent to pure creation. And so he had stretched out—indeed, as if invisible, transubstantiated—to inform every being of his existence, and impact all of them: Muunoid or insectoid, secure or dispossessed, free or enslaved. A warrior waving a banner in triumph on a battlefield. A ghost infiltrating a dream.

But ultimately to no end.

The Force grew silent, as if in flight from him, and many of the animals in his laboratory succumbed to horrifying diseases.

Regardless, eight long years later, Plagueis remained convinced that he was on the verge of absolute success. The evidence was in his own increased midi-chlorian count; and in the power he sensed in Sidious when he had finally returned to Sojourn. The dark side of the Force was theirs to command, and in partnership they would someday be able to keep each other alive, and to rule the galaxy for as long as they saw fit.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

And you have yet to demonstrate how it's different nor how it bypasses Immunity. Again, different mechanics.

No, it isn't. You yourself noted that immunities can be overpowered by things. Which means they are not immunities but resistances. You can't say they're immunities, and then note they have been beaten or can be beaten. In that case they're not immunities.

And Force Ghosts are still connected to the Force, which is what the majority of Force Users use in the application of Telepathy.

So, now you're trying to argue that Darth Sidious can't even use the force here because it's not a part of Ainz Ooal Gown? You do know that even Kyle Katarn was able to use the force against a Yuuzhan Vong. Who are explicitly not connected to it?

Except what you brought up is so vaguely worded and hyperbolic that you can't even quantify it.

No, it is quantifiable. It even gives us the exact number of the population on Byss. 19.7 billion people living there.

You claim he took control of Byss' population. Now explain how he did it. Can you explain how? Cause I'm quite certain you can't explain how. That would require them to actually show him doing it and not just saying he did it.

I already explained how he did it. He used his dark powers, and we know he used it to put them into a dreaming state. We know he drew their life-energies, and we know that he knows how to use force drain. Which what typically used these situations. Heck, here is another excerpt explaining what happened.

Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's vile machinations.

Throughout the worlds submissive to the Empire, Byss is renowned as a paradise, whose siren call multitudes to willingly apply for emigration to its shores. Once there, wrapped in the power of the dark side, the immigrants become completely submissive, their life energy forever enslaved to the mind that would devour a galaxy.

--Taken from the Dark Empire endnotes

Show me what Sid can actually do with it in actual battle instead of using hyperbole.

None of what I posted so far was hyperbole, and it's on you that your reading comprehension is so abysmal.

I know it's your mainstay form of debating, using nothing but hyperbole instead of actual, applicable, quantifiable feats, but do try to actually show him doing something directly.

Now this isn't even original. You're just trying to throw back what I said about you at me. As you are so butt mad you can't come up with anything yourself. You really need to work on your imagination there, pal.

As for Demiurge, his passive is for anyone within range of his voice.

So, in others words the Demiurage has nothing that is quantifiable? Good to know.

Anti-Teleportation makes BFR impossible.

Prove that this Anti-Teleportation is powerful enough negate force storms, and things that can destroy worlds.

TK on sentients also requires overpowering their will and resistance,

In the case of Darth Sidious he can do so against the minds of billions of people. Are you seriously going to erroneously claim that somehow Ainz Ooal Gown has a defense against that when he has no feats against something of that scale?

and Ainz is immune to mental effects and has passive resistances against attacks which Sid has no direct means of bypassing.

As you yourself noted immunities are not flawless even within the context of Overlord, and can be beaten. That they have been beaten.

Yet, you still dishonestly claim that they are unbeatable.

Dark Side =/= Negative Energy and Ainz has Drain Immunity anyway.

Show me Ainz Ooal Gown resisting a force drain, or any equivalent that siphons the energies of billions of people.

Dark Side energy is most certainly not positive energy. It's the exact opposite.

It's like you didn't read anything that was posted at all. Go figure.

Wow, this is ironic coming from you considering what you have just posted. I guess denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

Also Sid's storm he used on a moon, not a planet, and its effect on the surface was gradual over a limited area and was traveling across the moon's surface, not encompassing it entirely. So it's really nothing at all for Ainz to worry about.

Are you forgetting that Dark Sidious used a force storm in Dark Empire #1, and that it ravaged the surface of Coruscant? He specifically used one to collect Luke Skywalker, and bring him to him from across the galaxy. Which again shows both its range, and precision. What's you're thinking of happens in Dark Empire #6 when it destroyed an entire fleet of star-ships surrounding a large moon which eclipsed several other nearby moons in size. You can't even get these events straight. After which point Luke Skywalker, and Leia Organa worked together to make the force storm go out of control.

It is noted to be able to tear the surface off worlds here:

This is perhaps the single most destructive Force power known. This power allows the Jedi to twist the space-time continuum to create vast storms of force. The power also allows limited control of these storms. Capable of creating annihilating vortices, the storms can swallow whole fleets of spaceships or tear the surfaces off worlds.

--Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook and Tales of the Jedi Companion

As well as kill worlds here.

"The Force Storm is truly an awe-inspiring demonstration of pure natural energy. After using the Force to open a hyperspace wormhole, tremendous shockwaves will ripple through the fabric of space. Due to the Force Storm's potential for abuse, the Council has recently classified it as a dark side power."

"The Reborn Emperor used this at Da Soocha. It has the power to kill worlds."

—Luke

--Taken from The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force

Which is backed up by the fact weaker Sith Lords such as Darth Plagueis, and Darth Nihilus can ravage entire planets with almost no effort on their part.

But since you love hyperbole,

Nothing that I posted so far has been hyperbole.

Ainz can easily kill the tree demon Zy'tl Q'ae, which is said to have the power to destroy the world.

Now show me them actually doing anything like that. I already showed you what Darth Plagueis could do as he was dying when he shook an entire planet to its core along with several nearby stars, and him ravaging an entire world just by arriving on it. It is clearly not hyperbole, and describing an event that is happening. Which is even written in the third person, and not the first person making it clear that it is the narrator describing events.

A tremor took hold of the planet.

Sprung from death, it unleashed itself in a powerful wave, at once burrowing deep into the world’s core and radiating through its saccharine atmosphere to shake the stars themselves. At the quake’s epicenter stood Sidious, one elegant hand vised on the burnished sill of an expansive translucency, a vessel filled suddenly to bursting, the Force so strong within him that he feared he might disappear into it, never to return. But the moment didn’t constitute an ending so much as a true beginning, long overdue; it was less a transformation than an intensification—a gravitic shift.

A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.

Slowly, almost reluctantly, he came back to himself, his gaze settling on his manicured hands. Returned to the present, he took note of his rapid breathing, while behind him the room labored to restore order. Air scrubbers hummed—costly wall tapestries undulating in the summoned breeze. Prized carpets sealed their fibers against the spread of spilled fluids. The droid shuffled in obvious confliction. Sidious pivoted to take in the disarray: antique furniture overturned; framed artwork askew. As if a whirlwind had swept through. And facedown on the floor lay a statue of Yanjon, one of four law-giving sages of Dwartii.

A piece Sidious had secretly coveted.

Also sprawled there, Plagueis: his slender limbs splayed and elongated head turned to one side. Dressed in finery, as for a night on the town.

And now dead.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Later it would be said by Naboo and Gungan alike that they couldn’t recall a colder winter than the one that followed Hego Damask’s autumnal visit to their world. The rivers and even the falls below Theed froze; the rolling plains and tall forests were blanketed three meters deep with snow; plasmic quakes rocked the Gallo Mountains and the Lake Country, the Holy Places and the undersea city of Otoh Gunga; and many of the egresses of the underwaterways that hollowed the planet were blocked by ice floes.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

So we can range that anywhere from life-wiping to planet-busting.

No, you can't because unlike Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious they don't have feats to back up their claims.

Ainz confers with the Floor Guardians and flat out states that any of them could kill it easily and would pose no threat at all to them.

Which again proves that they're not capable of destroying planets if characters that weak can manhandle them. Nice job doing my work for me.

Zy'tl Q'ae is also roughly a third the size of an Imperial Star Destroyer.

Not impressive random Jedi Knights like Rivi-Anu can hold up things the size of Star Destroyers long enough for her allies to escape, and Galen Marek is able to change the course of ISD as it is going through atmospheric re-entry. Which means he dealt with both it, and the resulting kinetic energy from falling from orbit. Who both beneath Darth Sidious by a considerable margin to the point Galen Marek's suicide attack did Darth Sidious no harm, and Rivi-Anu is the bog standard for Jedi Knights.

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No it just bends space to create a wormhole. Still not nearly as impressive as summoning the power of an eldritch horror from Lovecraftian mythos.

False equivalence. I already brought this up at Anime Vice. Any alternate versions of a Great Old One do not apply to all versions of it. Just like Hercules from God of War doesn't get Hercules accolades, and abilities from Marvel. By the way, D never fought Cthulhu and it was a flimsy expy of it where they didn't even get the name right.

@boogeymonster said:

@reikai said:

@decaf_wizard: That's th same as claiming fire should hurt a fire elemental despite it being immune to fire. Childishly spouting off "NLF" doesn't make it so. And storm is an advanced form of lightning, of which there are several variants. Again, none of which would work.

Do you have any other arguments you wish to attempt?

No, it isn't. There are literally examples of fire so hot that it burns fire in fiction. Yes, seriously on top of being able to destroy the fabric of reality. Also, that is ignoring the nature of force lightning. It doesn't just attack a person's body. It ravages their soul as well, and saps their life-force. Which powerful practitioners of the dark side can use against force ghosts too.

Heck, even Darth Plagueis could shake an entire planet and several nearby stars as he was dying. Who is beneath Darth Sidious at this point. Darth Sidious does not even need to use force storm. He could squish Ainz Ooal Gown without it.

A tremor took hold of the planet.

Sprung from death, it unleashed itself in a powerful wave, at once burrowing deep into the world’s core and radiating through its saccharine atmosphere to shake the stars themselves.

At the quake’s epicenter stood Sidious, one elegant hand vised on the burnished sill of an expansive translucency, a vessel filled suddenly to bursting, the Force so strong within him that he feared he might disappear into it, never to return. But the moment didn’t constitute an ending so much as a true beginning, long overdue; it was less a transformation than an intensification—a gravitic shift.

A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.

A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.

Slowly, almost reluctantly, he came back to himself, his gaze settling on his manicured hands. Returned to the present, he took note of his rapid breathing, while behind him the room labored to restore order. Air scrubbers hummed—costly wall tapestries fibers against the spread of spilled fluids. The droid shuffled in obvious confliction. Sidious pivoted to take in the disarray: antique furniture overturned; framed artwork askew. As if a whirlwind had swept through. And facedown on the floor lay a statue of Yanjon, one of four law-giving sages of Dwartii.

A piece Sidious had secretly coveted.

Also sprawled there, Plagueis: his slender limbs splayed and elongated head turned to one side. Dressed in finery, as for a night on the town.

And now dead.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Also, even without having to do anything Darth Plagueis was powerful enough to make Naboo experience the worst winter it had in its history. Which froze all of the rivers on the planet, blanketed all the plains and tall forests with three meters of snow, caused plasmic quakes that rocked entire mountain ranges and lakes, the holy places, the undersea cities, and underwaterways that hollowed the planet were blocked by ice floes. This just by Darth Plagueis arriving on the planet.

Later it would be said by Naboo and Gungan alike that they couldn’t recall a colder winter than the one that followed Hego Damask’s autumnal visit to their world. The rivers and even the falls below Theed froze; the rolling plains and tall forests were blanketed three meters deep with snow; plasmic quakes rocked the Gallo Mountains and the Lake Country, the Holy Places and the undersea city of Otoh Gunga; and many of the egresses of the underwaterways that hollowed the planet were blocked by ice floes.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Emperor Palpatine is regarded as the most powerful Sith to exist.

Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.

--Taken from Vader: The Ultimate Guide

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

--Taken from The New Essential Chronology

Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting.

--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary

When Yoda crosses sabers with the movie's arch-villain, he doesn't launch into a pinwheeling display of acrobatics, as he did against Count Dooku in Episode II. Instead, Yoda faces the dark side's fury, channeled by the most powerful Sith Lord in history. "Rob Coleman wanted Yoda to feel the power of his enemy," says Wheless, "like a force he's never dealt with before."

--Taken from Insider #86: Yoda's Right Arm

He is named the most powerful of the Banite Sith.

The Sith have waited millennium for the birth of one who is powerful enough to return them from hiding. Darth Sidious is that one—the Sith's revenge on the Jedi order for having nearly eradicated the practitioners of the dark side of the Force.

--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary

The Sith Order, in hiding for a millennium, had awaited the birth of one who was powerful enough to return the Order to prominence. Darth Sidious was the fulfillment of that prophecy, capable of exacting the Sith's revenge on the Jedi for having nearly eradicated the practitioners of the dark side of the Force.

--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Darth Sidious proved to be the grim culmination of a thousand years of Sith philosophy and teachings.

--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered—in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane—only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge.

--Taken from The Dark Side Sourcebook

Palpatine trained under Plagueis until he became more powerful and killed his master.

In truth, Palpatine was well versed in the ways of the Force, having been apprentice to Darth Plagueis the Wise, a Sith Lord who was a master of arcane and unnatural knowledge. In true Sith tradition, Palpatine murdered his Master upon receiving the skill and ability to do so.

--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Sidious served for many decades as the apprentice of Darth Plagueis, learning diligently at the feet of his Master. Once he possessed all of Plagueis' secrets, he retired him.

--Taken from Insider #88: Heritage of the Sith

"My own Master, Darth Plagueis, made the grave error of teaching me too much, at which point he became unnecessary."

--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

As for force storms, and telepathy.

Palpatine describes the creation of his Force Storm in his Book of Anger. It only requires an act of will for him to create them.

It is repeatedly noted to be able to pulverize space, and time. As well as the fabric of reality.

"I have learned that Anger and Will, joined together, are the greatest Power.

I have learned to meditate upon Anger and Will with clarity and precision, and I have learned to open the hidden reservoirs of Dark Side Power.

Anger concentrated by Will in the vital center of the body creates a portal through which vast energies are released—the energies of the dark side of the Force.

Standing watch with the mind, in my meditation of Anger, I have slain my enemies from great distances, through the dark side Power that permeates the galaxy. I have created lightning, and unleashed its destructive fire.

Using this knowledge, I can unleash the dark side energies that are all around us, even to shatter the fabric of space itself. In this way, I have created storms.

Through a simple act of Will, I can generate Force Storms, energy storms that are vastly destructive and virtually unstoppable. Although triggering such storms requires merely thought and inclination, I admit I am not yet able to completely control the phenomenon. Among my goals is to perfect this control."

--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

"The churning energy mass of a Force Storm can consume everything it touches, for at its eye is pure hate. Just as a black hole devours a star, this storm can swallow armies and fold space."

--Taken from Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side

The effect of Force Storm is explained.

This is perhaps the single most destructive Force power known. This power allows the Jedi to twist the space-time continuum to create vast storms of force. The power also allows limited control of these storms. Capable of creating annihilating vortices, the storms can swallow whole fleets of spaceships or tear the surfaces off worlds.

--Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook and Tales of the Jedi Companion

"The Force Storm is truly an awe-inspiring demonstration of pure natural energy. After using the Force to open a hyperspace wormhole, tremendous shockwaves will ripple through the fabric of space. Due to the Force Storm's potential for abuse, the Council has recently classified it as a dark side power."

"The Reborn Emperor used this at Da Soocha. It has the power to kill worlds."

—Luke

--Taken from The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force

Vast energy storms that connect wildly disparate spots across the galaxy, hyperspace wormholes are unpredictable and devastating. It was to the Rebel Alliance's detriment that Emperor Palpatine was able to not only control these storms, but to create them.

--Taken from Handbook Volume Three: Dark Empire

Before even fully mastering the technique, Palpatine creates a Force Storm with enough skill and precision to transport his body to Kaal from the second Death Star II without causing noticeable damage to the Death Star.

The moment the Emperor "died" at the Battle of Endor, Droga fell into an inexplicable insanity, butchering his crew and causing the Emperor's Shadowto plunge into Kaal's oceans. Even as he perished, Palpatine used the dark side knowledge the Sith Lords had granted him years earlier to rend space itself and transmigrate his essence across lightyears to Droga's body.

--Taken from Gamer #5

Darth Sidious controlling the people of Byss. Who number at nearly twenty billion.

The Emperor erases memories, presumably by utilization of Memory Rub, in very possibly millions of people on Coruscant in order to conceal the location of the Star Destroyer Lusankya's burial place.

The Lusankya—aSuper Star Destroyer eight kilometerslength—laid waste to the area beneath which it had lain buried for years. Green turbolaser bolts pounded the cityscape, freeing the ship from the ferrocrete and transparisteel prison in which it had laired. Wedge knew Super Star Destroyers had only come into service after the Battle of Yavin, which meant the Lusankya had to have been created and hidden on Coruscant before the battle of Endor. Unless the constructor droids just built it there, then built over it. The idea that a hundred-square-kilometer area of the planet could have been razed and rebuilt to hide a Super Star Destroyer seemed beyond belief, especially with no one noticing the ship's insertion into the hole. Could the Emperor's power through the dark side of the Force have been sufficient to compel thousands or millions of people to forget having seen the Lusankya being buried? As hideous as that idea seemed, Wedge hoped it was the truth. The likely alternative—that the Emperor had ordered the deaths of all the witnesses—seemed that much more horrible.

--Taken from X-Wing: Krytos Trap

Now director of the Imperial Intelligence, Ysanne worked to demonstrate the usefulness of her office to the only person that mattered—the Emperor. Impressed with her suggestion to build a combination internment center and brainwashing facility, Palpatine gave her the Super Star DesteroyerExecutor from the Kuat shipyards—a twin to Vader’s Executor from Fondor. She renamed the vessel Lusankya, and, with help from the Emperor’s mind-fogging powers, Imperial engineers buried the tremendous battleship beneath the cityscape in Coruscant’s Manarai Mountain district.

--Taken from The New Essential Guide to Characters

As for speed, and reflexes.

Jaden Korr reacting to, and slapping a laser back at a scout ship after it's already been fired.

He fell into the Force as the scout ship’s wings flared and the weapons fired. To him, events seemed to slow. The lines of the ship’s lasers extended outward from its guns, slowly reaching across space, crayon lines drawn by an invisiblechild.

In the Force, he sensed the trajectory of the blasts, the line of their approach. His lightsaber spun through space, the Force-augmented motion stressing the hardsuit. The shots slammed into the yellow line of his blade, and he deflected them back at the ship’s cockpit. They split the space between them and knifed into the cockpit, which exploded into flame. The scout ship, bleeding smoke, streaked toward the pod.

-- Star Wars: Riptide

Darth Vader stopping one of I-Five's lasers, and just for reference I-Five outright refers to his lasers as light-speed, citing it down to the kilometer.

I-Five's laser, and his statement on it.

Jax shrugged. "It makes no difference if it's the sixth one or the first one that kills you. Dead is dead. "

"I wouldn't know. I do know, however, ", I-Five said, "that you're much better with that sword than you think you are. "

Jax glanced down at the weapon, saw his disorted reflection looking back at him from the blade's surface. "Yeah? How do you know th---?"

I-Five suddenly whipped up his left hand, index finger extended, and fired a laser beam at Jax. The beam splashed off the ionized fire that suddenly coated the length of the blade, which Jax had automatically raised to block the beam.

"That's how," I-Five said, "The speed of light is just under three hundred thousand kilometers per second. You are currently seven-point-three meters from me. Your Force-augmented anticipatory reflex action is obviously working fine. You just have to let it."

-- Coruscant Nights II: Street of Shadows

Darth Vader reacting to, and stopping I-Five's laser in mid-air after the fact.

"Tell the droid to give me the bota, Pavan."

"The droid doesn't have it," said I-Five suddenly. Both hands came up in a lethal gesture, lasers firing. The beams sliced toward Vader . . . and stopped mere centimeters from his outstretched hand.

-- Coruscant Nights III: Patterns Of The Force

These two aren't faster than light but they do show that even Sith Acolytes can react, and attack within microseconds.

Darth Bane as a Sith Acolyte training with Fohargh.

Another instance of Darth Bane training with Kas'im.

Vestara Khai's showing of reacting within a nanosecond.

Sarasu Taalon's showing of reacting within a nanosecond, and blocking a blast from a longshot after the fact with his bare hand. Mind you, that was after his dip in the Pool of Knowledge.

Come now, Master Skywalker. Taalon’s voice reached Luke more inside his mind than in his ears—a simple enough Force trick, but nonetheless one that sent a chill down Luke’s back. There will be time enough for that after we talk.

Luke replied in a normal speaking voice. “You expect me to come down?”

Well, you haven’t blasted me yet, Taalon countered.

Luke pressed the trigger and held it down—then felt his jaw drop as bolts began to ricochet off the High Lord’s palm. It wasn’t the deflection of blasterfire with a bare hand that shocked him—he had fought plenty of Sith capable of that trick. What amazed Luke was the speed with which Taalon had moved. In the nanosecond it had taken the first bolt to cross the distance between them, the High Lord’s hand had risen to deflect it, traveling so fast that the appendage had literally seemed to disappear from one place and reappear in another.

After tolerating the volley for a couple of seconds, Taalon grew weary of defending himself and crooked a finger. Luke tightened his grasp on the longblaster, expecting to feel it being ripped from his hands through the Force. Instead he found himself sliding out of his hiding place and tumbling through the air as he dropped toward the beach.

Luke tossed the longblaster aside and snatched his lightsaber, then quickly used the Force to right himself before he reached the beach. But Taalon did not hurl him into the sand, or even attempt to send him flying into Gavar Khai’s scarlet blade. He merely dropped Luke to the ground at a distance of five meters, then motioned for Khai to put his weapon away.

-- Fate of the Jedi: Vortex

There also the time when Abeloth was able to act within the time-frame of a nanosecond, and attack Luke Skywalker so quickly that a nanosecond was barely enough time for him to dodge her attack.

He had no time to be astonished, barely even the nanosecond required to realize Abeloth had survived her fall into the cleft. He merely felt his feet shoot away and found himself dropping face-first. Luke tucked his chin and managed to flip to his back before he hit the stone floor. Abeloth was on top of him, her flesh blistered and smoking, her remaining leg entwining both of his, her remaining arm wrapped around the back of his neck.

-- Fate of the Jedi: Vortex

So yeah, speed is not an issue for Darth Sidious. As for Darth Sidious, and his fight with Mace Windu.

Anakin's speeder shrieked through the rain, dodging forked bolts of lightning that shot up from towers into the clouds, slicing across traffic lanes, screaming past spacescrapers so fast that his shock-wake cracked windows as he passed.

Anakin blinked and rubbed his eyes again. Maybe he was still a bit flash-blind—the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence, half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire. Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once.

The shadow he fought, that blur of speed—could that be Palpatine?

Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them—but he could feel them in the Force. The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent. And it was darkening.

He could feel the end of this battle approaching, and so could the blur of Sith he faced; in the Force, the shadow had become a pulsar of fear.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Not even Anakin Skywalker was able to see them clearly moving. When he has no problem seeing star-fighters moving at a respectable fraction of light-speed, and reacting quickly enough to dodge them even when they're about to crash into him.

Obi-Wan was already making that exact move as Anakin spoke. But they were inverted to each other: breaking right shot him one way while Anakin whipped the other. The tri-fighters' cannons ripped space between them, tracking faster than their starfighters could slip. His onboard threat display chimed a warning: two of the droids had remote sensor locks on him. The others must have lit up his partner. "Anakin! Slip-jaws!"

"My thought exactly."

They blew past the tri-fighters, looping in evasive spirals. The droid ships wrenched themselves into pursuit maneuvers that would have killed any living pilot. The slip-jaws maneuver was named for the scissorlike mandibles of the Kashyyyk slash-spider. Droids closing rapidly on their tails, cannonfire stitching space on all sides, the two Jedi pulled their ships through perfectly mirrored rolls that sent them streaking head-on for each other from opposite ends of a vast Republic cruiser. For merely human pilots, this would be suicide. By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react.

But these particular pilots were far from merely human.

The Force nudged hands on control yokes and the Jedi starfighters twisted and flashed past each other belly-to-belly, close enough to scorch each other's paint.

Heck, even MagnaGuards have relativistic reflexes. Which can't be construed as anything but speed.

Three MagnaGuards, each with a double-ended weapon that generated an energy field impervious to lightsabers, each with reflexes that operated near lightspeed, each with hyper-sophisticated heuristic combat algorithms that enabled it to learn from experience and adapt its tactics instantly to any situation, were certainly beyond Obi-Wan's ability to defeat, but it was not Obi-Wan who would defeat them; Obi-Wan wasn't even fighting.

He was only a vessel, emptied of self. The Force, shaped by his skill and guided by his clarity of mind, fought through him. In the Force, he felt their destruction: it was somewhere above and behind him, and only seconds away. He went to meet it with a backflipping leap that the Force used to lift him neatly to an empty droid socket in the ceiling hive. The MagnaGuards sprang after him but he was gone by the time they arrived, leaping higher into the maze of girders and cables and room-sized cargo containers that was the control center's superstructure.

-- Revenge of the Sith

@boogeymonster: you should get involved with the X- Men gold replace the Last Dragonborn thread the TES lowball is hideous there.

TES, specifically Skyrim is actually wanked to hell and there are a good amount of people who seem to think Alduin is a galaxy buster

The Last Dragonborn gets the most wank, despite the fact is easily weaker than either the CoC or the Nerevarine and is one of the least impressive Dragonborn in lore, given that guys like Miraak and Tiber Septim are among that group.

@xlr87t3 said:

@decaf_wizard said:

@sainguinexshadow said:

@boogeymonster: you should get involved with the X- Men gold replace the Last Dragonborn thread the TES lowball is hideous there.

TES, specifically Skyrim is actually wanked to hell and there are a good amount of people who seem to think Alduin is a galaxy buster

The Last Dragonborn gets the most wank, despite the fact is easily weaker than either the CoC or the Nerevarine and is one of the least impressive Dragonborn in lore, given that guys like Miraak and Tiber Septim are among that group.

Lmao

What did I say that was wrong

@decaf_wizard: Everything. The lore in the Elder Scrolls is blatant hax and the ultimate canon along with the Scrolls themselves, no matter how much people gripe about it. Canon dictates that the last Dragonborn is the greatest and most powerful user of The Voice, period. Also, Tiber Septim is nothing to the last or first Dragonborn, or even the Greybeards, without CHIM aka TOAA. Someone like Ulfric Stormcloak or Jarl Balgruuf the Greater would be challenging to fight 1on1 since they are all learned in the way of the Voice. And they would all be screwed if a regular mortal human slit their throats with a regular knife, unlike superhumans like Miraak, The Last Dragonborn, and Dragons.

The CoC is Sheogorath, so he would absolutely be more powerful than The Dragonborn and everyone else on Nirn, but the Nerevarine is much closer to the DB. If I had to pick, though, the DB is the stronger one on average due to Thu'um hax like Voicemasters shouting a small village into the sea, or blowing up huge pieces of mountain thrown at them by the Chimer.

No, the DB isn't the most powerful Thuum user ever. He needed help from superior people like Paarthurnax, the Master of the Greybeards and was only able to beat Alduin's weak physical form. Secondly The DB doesn't know "The Way of the Voice" its a spiritual way of lviing developed by the Greybeards to reach enlightment and inner peace through the Thuum and use to to reverse the Nordic Gods. They're peaceful monastic and despite this, they still outclass the DB in raw power

Obviously I included CHIM in Tiber Septim. Also Chim User comparisons to TOAA are dumb because they are not in any way omnipotent.

Also, some more information on Darth Sidious's presence within the force.

Count Dooku sees Palpatine's power through the Force as an event horizon. A black hole in the force suggesting he is a wound in the force.

Now the scene below subtly altered, though to the physical eye there was no change. Powered by the dark side, Dooku's perception took the measure of those below him with exhilarating precision.

Kenobi was luminous, a transparent being, a window onto a sunlit meadow of the Force.

Skywalker was a storm cloud, flickering with dangerous lightning, building the rotation that threatens a tornado.

And then there was Palpatine, of course: he was beyond power. He showed nothing of what might be within. Though seen with the eyes of the dark side itself, Palpatine was an event horizon. Beneath his entirely ordinary surface was absolute, perfect nothingness. Darkness beyond darkness.

A black hole of the Force.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Palpatine himself is a Force nexus. He distorts space, and time with his very presence.

The key to Luke's turning is the moment when he and Leia realize the Emperor is no longer defined by his physical form, but has become a chaotic nexus of dark energies that swell and burst open the fabric of space, tearing apart everything in the vicinity, human and machine.

--Taken from the Dark Empire endnotes

@boogeymonster: Your forgetting that his death also created a dark side nexus over Endor, and he single handedly corrupted Byss into a dark side nexus

Actually already mentioned Byss in my post before my last one. As for Endor here it is.

Any unusual localization, or vergence, of dark side Force energy. These strange locales emanated the dark side of the Force, and were considered focal points of power for dark side users. As such, they were often guarded by Jedi Knights to prevent their discovery and exploitation. Known dark side nexuses included the twisted tree-cave on Dagobah, Halagad Ventor's hermitage on Trinta, and a "stain" of dark side energy that hovered over Endor following the defeat of the Emperor.

--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Yea

The guy is a force of nature at this point

Bump...cuz why the hell not?

If you put the Star Wars under the rules of Yggdrasil then there is no debate since by Yggdrasil logic Ainz will win. If you put the Overlord under the Star Wars rules( Being the force a universal and unstoppable force) then Darth Sidious will win.

If you combine the logic of both parties, like Yggdrasil being equal to the Force then Darth Sidious will win.

It all depends on which rule and effects will apply.

@requiemcross: that’s not how logic works. Sidious gets slaughtered easily. There is no more discussion.

@reikai: Depends on how the force affects the Overlord logic. If you say all his buffs in yggdrasil applies to star wars then yes he is. However, if you factor that the force is as strong in overlord, then Aimz is slaughtered. It depends on how you look at it.

@requiemcross: again, you don’t get it. The force is meaningless either way. Sid isn’t infinite. Sid has no counter to instant death. He has no counter to time stopping. He has no counter to reality warping. None of his offensive abilities can even affect Ainz. It’s already been done. There is no discussion.

@reikai: Ahaha. So you chose option 1. I respect that. I myself think that option 2 or 3 is more believable.

@requiemcross:

Ok, sids turns him into a tennis ball. Counter?

Sids would litterally feed off ainz in character. The only notion that ainz wins is the fact that he's undead therefore most force abilities can't effect him. However one could simply counter with the argument of the force effecting spirits on the regular and The various feats he has while dead.

If we are talking canon, then Ainz one shots.

Sid can't turn people into tennis balls. Don't be ridiculous.

Sid can't 'feed' off Ainz in any capacity and Sid failed at fighting ghosts. Ainz is also not a ghost and Force Ghosts in SW are not undead. They are just The Dead. Sid has almost no feats as a Ghost and needed to constantly transfer his essence into a new body to do anything major. It doesn't save him regardless as Ainz has spells that can specifically damage spirits and intangible beings.

Again, you fail.

@reikai: Yea, judging from the previous posts you have and the one you just gave me that tells me you arent the type of user im looking to involve myself with.

Your counter to Sidious having TK and feeding off of malice and other dark emotions is him not using the ability, that sums up this argument. Good day.

You just proved you don't know anything about either character involved nor have you provided any kind of counter to Ainz instantly stopping time and murdering Sidious.

1. Ainz has passive protections that Sidious would need to find a way to counter to affect him and Ainz specifically has passive abilities that prevents him from being restrained in any fashion, thrown off balance, or drained.

2. Ainz's emotions are automatically suppressed, meaning there is nothing for Sidious to draw on to begin with.

3. You never provided any tangible argument in the first place, making your response all the more childish.

4. Sidious still dies regardless of you quitting the debate or not. It was never going to end any other way.

@reikai:Actually, now that I think about it, Darth Sidious will still win. All rounds.

At the same time, force is not as meaningless as you think. In Star Wars, it is an energy field that connect everything in the universe.

Next, I think Force Powers is in a class of its own. It's not similar to Tier magic and Wild magic used on that planet.

Just because Ainz is immune to Tier and Wild magic does not mean that he will be immune in Force attacks. They have different source and potency.

The Force actually can be compare on the energy that empowers Cash items.

Back to Sidious, Darth Sidious was exceptionally adept at foreseeing the future, an ability which allowed him to plan for nearly any contingency. He won't face Ainz if he's not certain to win.

Also, I don't think even Ainz will survive if he got hit by the death star. It is pure energy not based on the law of magics of both the yggdrasil and the new world. his immunity will not save him from it.

Ainz stomps