Ainz Ooal Gown vs Darth Sidious

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The Overlord of Death against the Dark Lord of the Sith.

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Location: War World

Round 1: Ainz doesn't take him seriously.

Round 2: Ainz doesn't use insta-death spells/effects.

Round 3: Everything goes.

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Isn't ainz like immune to lightning and telekinesis, and just about anything else.

My memory isn't solid enough to actually base this off of anything but a hunch.

but you know just saying.

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Pretty sure Ainz wins every round easily.

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Ainz wins...too haxed, even for Dark Empire Palpatine.

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@reikai: You should have added Luke Skywalker and the other high ranking force users

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Sheev blitzes and either oneshots or BFR's if he is serious.

If not, and he goes down to hax, he becomes a spirit and does it anyway.

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Sheer turns him into a glorified Butler.

God isn't telepathy fun.

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@chaos239 said:

Sheer turns him into a glorified Butler.

God isn't telepathy fun.

He is an undead, it is stated mind control doesn't affect him, only mind control that could work on him is the one from a World Item (items that can bend the reality), and he took counter measures to prevent that by equipping another world item.

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Sheev blitzes and either oneshots or BFR's if he is serious.

If not, and he goes down to hax, he becomes a spirit and does it anyway.

If he's serious, he still dies. If Ainz isn't serious, he still one-shots Sid

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@purpledeadragon: So? Feats of him resisting To from beings that could control populations of 20 billion?

Otherwise NLF

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From early in vol1.

Overlord Vol1 Page 61

So friendly fire was on. The reason Mare hadn't been affected was probably because he was equipped with an item that could neutralize psychic effects. Meanwhile, Momonga's god items didn't have any psychic resistance data in them. So why hadn't he felt fear?

He had two guesses; basic resistance based on his ability points or psychic effects immunity due to a special undead ability.

Overlord vol1 Page 63

In Yggdrasil, when subhumans and grotesques reached certain race levels, they gained specific racial abilities. Momonga, who had reached the elite race of Overlord, had the following monster powers: Create Upper-Tier Undead (four per day); Create Middle-Tier Undead (twelve per day); Create Lower-Tier undead (twenty per day); Negative Touch; Aura of Despair V (Instadeath); Negative Guard; Dark Soul; Raven-Black Halo; Immortal Blessing; Impure Providence; Black Wisdom; Evil Language Proficiency; Ability Point Damage IV; Stabbing Weapon Resistance V; Cutting Weapon Resistance V; Greater Repel Resistance III; Greater Physical Damage Immunity III; Chill, Acid, Electric Attack Immunity; Magical Vision Boost: See Through.

Add to that the abilities from his class level: Boost Instadeath Magic, Master of Dark Rites, Immortal Aura, Make Undead, Control Undead, Fortify Undead, etc.

He also had basic undead special abilities: Critical Hit Immunity; Paralysis, Instadeath Immunity; No Hunger/Thirst; Poison, Sickness, Sleep Penalty Resistance; Breathe Anywhere; Ability Point Damage Immunity; Energy Drain Immunity; The ability to recover from Negative Energy; Nightvision; etc.

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@xlr87t3 said:
@decaf_wizard said:

Sheev blitzes and either oneshots or BFR's if he is serious.

If not, and he goes down to hax, he becomes a spirit and does it anyway.

If he's serious, he still dies. If Ainz isn't serious, he still one-shots Sid

lol the ignorance here

Sids one shots him. He can one shot fleets of ships and wipe teh surface of planets with his force storms. He can one shot Ainz

Ainz hasn't shown Soul Hax. That means he cannot kill Sids.

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@chaos239 said:

@purpledeadragon: So? Feats of him resisting To from beings that could control populations of 20 billion?

Otherwise NLF

If you are the one saying Sidious can midn control a Skeleton with no brain then you are the one who has to provide proves of him affecting skeletons, is stated in the Overlord Universe that the Undead are totally immune to mind control because of their state of existence, and only one item can overcome that, but said items are known for being used to reality warp or change the rules of the world works.

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@decaf_wizard: Ainz possesses [Electric Attack Immunity]. Force Lightning and its various iterations (storm, etc) would be entirely ineffective. Also, Sid can't do anything on his own as a spirit and has no outside resources here. Ainz also has spells tailored towards affecting intangible entities, such as [Astral Smite]. Becoming a Force Ghost does not mean he's safe.

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Ainz all rounds

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Don't know enough about Ainz.

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@reikai: Force Storms aren't force lightning. They are reality warping and have more to do with hyperspace. You are confusing them with their SWTOR incarnation

Even if it was lightning it would be a NLF

I'm not really sure how much you know about Sidious but he basically can will himself back from death

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Yeah, Ainz ftw.

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@decaf_wizard: is force storm something Sidious use in a direct confrontation? I find it hard to see him use it unless it's from long distance.

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@theorder14: He basically spammed them in DE every time he got in a super killy mood

He got himself killed by not being careful with one so he will use them when he sees fit

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@theorder14: He basically spammed them in DE every time he got in a super killy mood

He got himself killed by not being careful with one so he will use them when he sees fit

Ainz can stop time, attack non physical entities, use insta death spells, powerful enough to kill even things that are not technically alive, like air or earth, and Sidious can't will himself back to live with out a body to possess, and I doubt it would be able to possess a skeleton.

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@decaf_wizard: That's th same as claiming fire should hurt a fire elemental despite it being immune to fire. Childishly spouting off "NLF" doesn't make it so. And storm is an advanced form of lightning, of which there are several variants. Again, none of which would work.

Do you have any other arguments you wish to attempt?

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@reikai said:

@decaf_wizard: That's th same as claiming fire should hurt a fire elemental despite it being immune to fire. Childishly spouting off "NLF" doesn't make it so. And storm is an advanced form of lightning, of which there are several variants. Again, none of which would work.

Do you have any other arguments you wish to attempt?

I am with him in this occasion, force storm is not actually force lightning but it is actually a wormhole that bends space and time, and that's something that may be effective on Ainz if he manages to pull it off, but it is unlikely.

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@decaf_wizard: That's th same as claiming fire should hurt a fire elemental despite it being immune to fire. Childishly spouting off "NLF" doesn't make it so. And storm is an advanced form of lightning, of which there are several variants. Again, none of which would work.

Do you have any other arguments you wish to attempt?

No, it isn't. There are literally examples of fire so hot that it burns fire in fiction. Yes, seriously on top of being able to destroy the fabric of reality. Also, that is ignoring the nature of force lightning. It doesn't just attack a person's body. It ravages their soul as well, and saps their life-force. Which powerful practitioners of the dark side can use against force ghosts too.

Heck, even Darth Plagueis could shake an entire planet and several nearby stars as he was dying. Who is beneath Darth Sidious at this point. Darth Sidious does not even need to use force storm. He could squish Ainz Ooal Gown without it.

A tremor took hold of the planet.

Sprung from death, it unleashed itself in a powerful wave, at once burrowing deep into the world’s core and radiating through its saccharine atmosphere to shake the stars themselves.

At the quake’s epicenter stood Sidious, one elegant hand vised on the burnished sill of an expansive translucency, a vessel filled suddenly to bursting, the Force so strong within him that he feared he might disappear into it, never to return. But the moment didn’t constitute an ending so much as a true beginning, long overdue; it was less a transformation than an intensification—a gravitic shift.

A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.

A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.

Slowly, almost reluctantly, he came back to himself, his gaze settling on his manicured hands. Returned to the present, he took note of his rapid breathing, while behind him the room labored to restore order. Air scrubbers hummed—costly wall tapestries fibers against the spread of spilled fluids. The droid shuffled in obvious confliction. Sidious pivoted to take in the disarray: antique furniture overturned; framed artwork askew. As if a whirlwind had swept through. And facedown on the floor lay a statue of Yanjon, one of four law-giving sages of Dwartii.

A piece Sidious had secretly coveted.

Also sprawled there, Plagueis: his slender limbs splayed and elongated head turned to one side. Dressed in finery, as for a night on the town.

And now dead.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Also, even without having to do anything Darth Plagueis was powerful enough to make Naboo experience the worst winter it had in its history. Which froze all of the rivers on the planet, blanketed all the plains and tall forests with three meters of snow, caused plasmic quakes that rocked entire mountain ranges and lakes, the holy places, the undersea cities, and underwaterways that hollowed the planet were blocked by ice floes. This just by Darth Plagueis arriving on the planet.

Later it would be said by Naboo and Gungan alike that they couldn’t recall a colder winter than the one that followed Hego Damask’s autumnal visit to their world. The rivers and even the falls below Theed froze; the rolling plains and tall forests were blanketed three meters deep with snow; plasmic quakes rocked the Gallo Mountains and the Lake Country, the Holy Places and the undersea city of Otoh Gunga; and many of the egresses of the underwaterways that hollowed the planet were blocked by ice floes.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Emperor Palpatine is regarded as the most powerful Sith to exist.

Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.

--Taken from Vader: The Ultimate Guide

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

--Taken from The New Essential Chronology

Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting.

--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary

When Yoda crosses sabers with the movie's arch-villain, he doesn't launch into a pinwheeling display of acrobatics, as he did against Count Dooku in Episode II. Instead, Yoda faces the dark side's fury, channeled by the most powerful Sith Lord in history. "Rob Coleman wanted Yoda to feel the power of his enemy," says Wheless, "like a force he's never dealt with before."

--Taken from Insider #86: Yoda's Right Arm

He is named the most powerful of the Banite Sith.

The Sith have waited millennium for the birth of one who is powerful enough to return them from hiding. Darth Sidious is that one—the Sith's revenge on the Jedi order for having nearly eradicated the practitioners of the dark side of the Force.

--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary

The Sith Order, in hiding for a millennium, had awaited the birth of one who was powerful enough to return the Order to prominence. Darth Sidious was the fulfillment of that prophecy, capable of exacting the Sith's revenge on the Jedi for having nearly eradicated the practitioners of the dark side of the Force.

--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Darth Sidious proved to be the grim culmination of a thousand years of Sith philosophy and teachings.

--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered—in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane—only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge.

--Taken from The Dark Side Sourcebook

Palpatine trained under Plagueis until he became more powerful and killed his master.

In truth, Palpatine was well versed in the ways of the Force, having been apprentice to Darth Plagueis the Wise, a Sith Lord who was a master of arcane and unnatural knowledge. In true Sith tradition, Palpatine murdered his Master upon receiving the skill and ability to do so.

--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Sidious served for many decades as the apprentice of Darth Plagueis, learning diligently at the feet of his Master. Once he possessed all of Plagueis' secrets, he retired him.

--Taken from Insider #88: Heritage of the Sith

"My own Master, Darth Plagueis, made the grave error of teaching me too much, at which point he became unnecessary."

--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

As for force storms, and telepathy.

Palpatine describes the creation of his Force Storm in his Book of Anger. It only requires an act of will for him to create them.

It is repeatedly noted to be able to pulverize space, and time. As well as the fabric of reality.

"I have learned that Anger and Will, joined together, are the greatest Power.

I have learned to meditate upon Anger and Will with clarity and precision, and I have learned to open the hidden reservoirs of Dark Side Power.

Anger concentrated by Will in the vital center of the body creates a portal through which vast energies are released—the energies of the dark side of the Force.

Standing watch with the mind, in my meditation of Anger, I have slain my enemies from great distances, through the dark side Power that permeates the galaxy. I have created lightning, and unleashed its destructive fire.

Using this knowledge, I can unleash the dark side energies that are all around us, even to shatter the fabric of space itself. In this way, I have created storms.

Through a simple act of Will, I can generate Force Storms, energy storms that are vastly destructive and virtually unstoppable. Although triggering such storms requires merely thought and inclination, I admit I am not yet able to completely control the phenomenon. Among my goals is to perfect this control."

--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

"The churning energy mass of a Force Storm can consume everything it touches, for at its eye is pure hate. Just as a black hole devours a star, this storm can swallow armies and fold space."

--Taken from Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side

The effect of Force Storm is explained.

This is perhaps the single most destructive Force power known. This power allows the Jedi to twist the space-time continuum to create vast storms of force. The power also allows limited control of these storms. Capable of creating annihilating vortices, the storms can swallow whole fleets of spaceships or tear the surfaces off worlds.

--Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook and Tales of the Jedi Companion

"The Force Storm is truly an awe-inspiring demonstration of pure natural energy. After using the Force to open a hyperspace wormhole, tremendous shockwaves will ripple through the fabric of space. Due to the Force Storm's potential for abuse, the Council has recently classified it as a dark side power."

"The Reborn Emperor used this at Da Soocha. It has the power to kill worlds."

—Luke

--Taken from The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force

Vast energy storms that connect wildly disparate spots across the galaxy, hyperspace wormholes are unpredictable and devastating. It was to the Rebel Alliance's detriment that Emperor Palpatine was able to not only control these storms, but to create them.

--Taken from Handbook Volume Three: Dark Empire

Before even fully mastering the technique, Palpatine creates a Force Storm with enough skill and precision to transport his body to Kaal from the second Death Star II without causing noticeable damage to the Death Star.

The moment the Emperor "died" at the Battle of Endor, Droga fell into an inexplicable insanity, butchering his crew and causing the Emperor's Shadowto plunge into Kaal's oceans. Even as he perished, Palpatine used the dark side knowledge the Sith Lords had granted him years earlier to rend space itself and transmigrate his essence across lightyears to Droga's body.

--Taken from Gamer #5

Darth Sidious controlling the people of Byss. Who number at nearly twenty billion.

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The Emperor erases memories, presumably by utilization of Memory Rub, in very possibly millions of people on Coruscant in order to conceal the location of the Star Destroyer Lusankya's burial place.

The Lusankya—aSuper Star Destroyer eight kilometerslength—laid waste to the area beneath which it had lain buried for years. Green turbolaser bolts pounded the cityscape, freeing the ship from the ferrocrete and transparisteel prison in which it had laired. Wedge knew Super Star Destroyers had only come into service after the Battle of Yavin, which meant the Lusankya had to have been created and hidden on Coruscant before the battle of Endor. Unless the constructor droids just built it there, then built over it. The idea that a hundred-square-kilometer area of the planet could have been razed and rebuilt to hide a Super Star Destroyer seemed beyond belief, especially with no one noticing the ship's insertion into the hole. Could the Emperor's power through the dark side of the Force have been sufficient to compel thousands or millions of people to forget having seen the Lusankya being buried? As hideous as that idea seemed, Wedge hoped it was the truth. The likely alternative—that the Emperor had ordered the deaths of all the witnesses—seemed that much more horrible.

--Taken from X-Wing: Krytos Trap

Now director of the Imperial Intelligence, Ysanne worked to demonstrate the usefulness of her office to the only person that mattered—the Emperor. Impressed with her suggestion to build a combination internment center and brainwashing facility, Palpatine gave her the Super Star DesteroyerExecutor from the Kuat shipyards—a twin to Vader’s Executor from Fondor. She renamed the vessel Lusankya, and, with help from the Emperor’s mind-fogging powers, Imperial engineers buried the tremendous battleship beneath the cityscape in Coruscant’s Manarai Mountain district.

--Taken from The New Essential Guide to Characters

As for speed, and reflexes.

Jaden Korr reacting to, and slapping a laser back at a scout ship after it's already been fired.

He fell into the Force as the scout ship’s wings flared and the weapons fired. To him, events seemed to slow. The lines of the ship’s lasers extended outward from its guns, slowly reaching across space, crayon lines drawn by an invisiblechild.

In the Force, he sensed the trajectory of the blasts, the line of their approach. His lightsaber spun through space, the Force-augmented motion stressing the hardsuit. The shots slammed into the yellow line of his blade, and he deflected them back at the ship’s cockpit. They split the space between them and knifed into the cockpit, which exploded into flame. The scout ship, bleeding smoke, streaked toward the pod.

-- Star Wars: Riptide

Darth Vader stopping one of I-Five's lasers, and just for reference I-Five outright refers to his lasers as light-speed, citing it down to the kilometer.

I-Five's laser, and his statement on it.

Jax shrugged. "It makes no difference if it's the sixth one or the first one that kills you. Dead is dead. "

"I wouldn't know. I do know, however, ", I-Five said, "that you're much better with that sword than you think you are. "

Jax glanced down at the weapon, saw his disorted reflection looking back at him from the blade's surface. "Yeah? How do you know th---?"

I-Five suddenly whipped up his left hand, index finger extended, and fired a laser beam at Jax. The beam splashed off the ionized fire that suddenly coated the length of the blade, which Jax had automatically raised to block the beam.

"That's how," I-Five said, "The speed of light is just under three hundred thousand kilometers per second. You are currently seven-point-three meters from me. Your Force-augmented anticipatory reflex action is obviously working fine. You just have to let it."

-- Coruscant Nights II: Street of Shadows

Darth Vader reacting to, and stopping I-Five's laser in mid-air after the fact.

"Tell the droid to give me the bota, Pavan."

"The droid doesn't have it," said I-Five suddenly. Both hands came up in a lethal gesture, lasers firing. The beams sliced toward Vader . . . and stopped mere centimeters from his outstretched hand.

-- Coruscant Nights III: Patterns Of The Force

These two aren't faster than light but they do show that even Sith Acolytes can react, and attack within microseconds.

Darth Bane as a Sith Acolyte training with Fohargh.

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Another instance of Darth Bane training with Kas'im.

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Vestara Khai's showing of reacting within a nanosecond.

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Sarasu Taalon's showing of reacting within a nanosecond, and blocking a blast from a longshot after the fact with his bare hand. Mind you, that was after his dip in the Pool of Knowledge.

Come now, Master Skywalker. Taalon’s voice reached Luke more inside his mind than in his ears—a simple enough Force trick, but nonetheless one that sent a chill down Luke’s back. There will be time enough for that after we talk.

Luke replied in a normal speaking voice. “You expect me to come down?”

Well, you haven’t blasted me yet, Taalon countered.

Luke pressed the trigger and held it down—then felt his jaw drop as bolts began to ricochet off the High Lord’s palm. It wasn’t the deflection of blasterfire with a bare hand that shocked him—he had fought plenty of Sith capable of that trick. What amazed Luke was the speed with which Taalon had moved. In the nanosecond it had taken the first bolt to cross the distance between them, the High Lord’s hand had risen to deflect it, traveling so fast that the appendage had literally seemed to disappear from one place and reappear in another.

After tolerating the volley for a couple of seconds, Taalon grew weary of defending himself and crooked a finger. Luke tightened his grasp on the longblaster, expecting to feel it being ripped from his hands through the Force. Instead he found himself sliding out of his hiding place and tumbling through the air as he dropped toward the beach.

Luke tossed the longblaster aside and snatched his lightsaber, then quickly used the Force to right himself before he reached the beach. But Taalon did not hurl him into the sand, or even attempt to send him flying into Gavar Khai’s scarlet blade. He merely dropped Luke to the ground at a distance of five meters, then motioned for Khai to put his weapon away.

-- Fate of the Jedi: Vortex

There also the time when Abeloth was able to act within the time-frame of a nanosecond, and attack Luke Skywalker so quickly that a nanosecond was barely enough time for him to dodge her attack.

He had no time to be astonished, barely even the nanosecond required to realize Abeloth had survived her fall into the cleft. He merely felt his feet shoot away and found himself dropping face-first. Luke tucked his chin and managed to flip to his back before he hit the stone floor. Abeloth was on top of him, her flesh blistered and smoking, her remaining leg entwining both of his, her remaining arm wrapped around the back of his neck.

-- Fate of the Jedi: Vortex

So yeah, speed is not an issue for Darth Sidious. As for Darth Sidious, and his fight with Mace Windu.

Anakin's speeder shrieked through the rain, dodging forked bolts of lightning that shot up from towers into the clouds, slicing across traffic lanes, screaming past spacescrapers so fast that his shock-wake cracked windows as he passed.

Anakin blinked and rubbed his eyes again. Maybe he was still a bit flash-blind—the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence, half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire. Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once.

The shadow he fought, that blur of speed—could that be Palpatine?

Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them—but he could feel them in the Force. The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent. And it was darkening.

He could feel the end of this battle approaching, and so could the blur of Sith he faced; in the Force, the shadow had become a pulsar of fear.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Not even Anakin Skywalker was able to see them clearly moving. When he has no problem seeing star-fighters moving at a respectable fraction of light-speed, and reacting quickly enough to dodge them even when they're about to crash into him.

Obi-Wan was already making that exact move as Anakin spoke. But they were inverted to each other: breaking right shot him one way while Anakin whipped the other. The tri-fighters' cannons ripped space between them, tracking faster than their starfighters could slip. His onboard threat display chimed a warning: two of the droids had remote sensor locks on him. The others must have lit up his partner. "Anakin! Slip-jaws!"

"My thought exactly."

They blew past the tri-fighters, looping in evasive spirals. The droid ships wrenched themselves into pursuit maneuvers that would have killed any living pilot. The slip-jaws maneuver was named for the scissorlike mandibles of the Kashyyyk slash-spider. Droids closing rapidly on their tails, cannonfire stitching space on all sides, the two Jedi pulled their ships through perfectly mirrored rolls that sent them streaking head-on for each other from opposite ends of a vast Republic cruiser. For merely human pilots, this would be suicide. By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react.

But these particular pilots were far from merely human.

The Force nudged hands on control yokes and the Jedi starfighters twisted and flashed past each other belly-to-belly, close enough to scorch each other's paint.

Heck, even MagnaGuards have relativistic reflexes. Which can't be construed as anything but speed.

Three MagnaGuards, each with a double-ended weapon that generated an energy field impervious to lightsabers, each with reflexes that operated near lightspeed, each with hyper-sophisticated heuristic combat algorithms that enabled it to learn from experience and adapt its tactics instantly to any situation, were certainly beyond Obi-Wan's ability to defeat, but it was not Obi-Wan who would defeat them; Obi-Wan wasn't even fighting.

He was only a vessel, emptied of self. The Force, shaped by his skill and guided by his clarity of mind, fought through him. In the Force, he felt their destruction: it was somewhere above and behind him, and only seconds away. He went to meet it with a backflipping leap that the Force used to lift him neatly to an empty droid socket in the ceiling hive. The MagnaGuards sprang after him but he was gone by the time they arrived, leaping higher into the maze of girders and cables and room-sized cargo containers that was the control center's superstructure.

-- Revenge of the Sith

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@purpledeadragon: Then people should just say Force Workhole then since, as I said, there are several other variations of storm and all're lightning based. Also Ainz can ignore gravity with [Fly], use teleportation spells, and can create black holes with his spell.

@boogeymonster: And Sid has neither fire nor lightning that breaks reality and rips the universe asunder. So your argument is moot. Ainz also has drain immunity. So it's doubly moot.

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@reikai said:

@purpledeadragon: Then people should just say Force Workhole then since, as I said, there are several other variations of storm and all're lightning based. Also Ainz can ignore gravity with [Fly], use teleportation spells, and can create black holes with his spell.

@boogeymonster: And Sid has neither fire nor lightning that breaks reality and rips the universe asunder. So your argument is moot. Ainz also has drain immunity. So it's doubly moot.

The force storm is literally force lightning so powerful it rips apart the fabric of reality, and opens wormholes in hyperspace. Which he can also use as a form of teleportation even from light-years away.

Also, once again you're applying no limit fallacies to these immunities. As I already noted Darth Sidious also learned everything Darth Plagueis knew, and is stated to be more powerful than him. The same Darth Plagueis who can shake planets, and several nearby stars as he was dying.

What feats are stopping Darth Sidious from squishing Ainz Ooal Gown repeatedly until he stays dead, telekinetically hurling him into outer space, teleporting him into deep space with a force storm, or simply pulverizing him into non-existence with a force storm. That, or brainwashing into becoming his servant.

The black holes Ainz Ooal Gown creates are pseudo black holes, and do not behave like real ones. What is the range of his teleportation? Does he have any feats of teleporting from light-years away to another destination? The ability to fly does not confer a resistance to telekinesis.

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Main argument is TP against a character who is immune to it (unless you change reality).... seems legit.

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@kamishini said:

Main argument is TP against a character who is immune to it (unless you change reality).... seems legit.

No one has provided any counter feats showing Ainz Ooal Gown resist telepathy powerful enough to control billions of minds, and casually erase the memories of millions of others.

Besides that, telepathy can be used against force ghosts and the dead. As seen with Lord Kallig, and the anarchy he caused in the Dark Temple on Dromund Kaas. Where he was driving everyone around it insane, forcibly placing force ghosts into archaeologists and manipulating their memories, and whole bunch of other garbage.

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@boogeymonster: Is his TP strong enough to rewrite reality? If not it's useless to bring it up.

It's in Ainz nature so..

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@boogeymonster: Is his TP strong enough to rewrite reality? If not it's useless to bring it up.

It's in Ainz nature so..

No, it was noted Ainz Ooal Gown is "immune" because he is undead. Which doesn't stop people from manipulating you with telepathy in Star Wars. It works on force ghosts, and Darth Sidious specifically learned everything from Darth Plagueis. Which includes the ability to bring the dead back to life, and then make them dead again for the sake of torture.

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@boogeymonster: Yeah ghost =/= Skeletons especially if they are from a completely different verse with different rules.

Resurrection is child play for Ainz (literally no effort) so it's not worth to mention.

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@boogeymonster: Yeah ghost =/= Skeletons especially if they are from a completely different verse with different rules.

Resurrection is child play for Ainz (literally no effort) so it's not worth to mention.

They both don't have brains, and in the case of the former there is literally nothing physical for them to interact with. Yet, they can still manipulate them and in the case of Darth Nox enslave them and take their power for himself with flow walking. It is more impressive than controlling some skeletons which still have some sort of physical presence.

What is stopping Darth Sidious from resurrecting, and torturing Ainz Ooal Gown through this method?

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@boogeymonster: Don't really wanna get into who wins this, but a difference that Ainz has from ghosts is that Ainz has no soul. Since ghosts should be basically pure souls, I don't think affecting them means much against him.

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@boogeymonster:

Are these ghosts immune to TP? If not the comparison is useless.

It's nowhere near has impressive has controlling someone who is immune to mental attacks.

Time stop, instant death spells, IMMUNITY to TP (unless it warps reality) and so many others hax that are almost impossible to list.

I don't see the point of bringing up his ability to resurrect his opponent when he can't even win the fight one time.

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@boogeymonster: Don't really wanna get into who wins this, but a difference that Ainz has from ghosts is that Ainz has no soul. Since ghosts should be basically pure souls, I don't think affecting them means much against him.

Citation needed. Where is it ever noted that Ainz Ooal Gown has no soul, and that it can't be manipulated?

@kamishini said:

@boogeymonster:

Are these ghosts immune to TP? If not the comparison is useless.

It's nowhere near has impressive has controlling someone who is immune to mental attacks.

Time stop, instant death spells, IMMUNITY to TP (unless it warps reality) and so many others hax that are almost impossible to list.

I don't see the point of bringing up his ability to resurrect his opponent when he can't even win the fight one time.

The only explanation as to why Ainz Ooal Gown is supposed to be resistant to mind control is that because he is undead he has no brain. There have been no feats provided where he resists mind control. That's what I have been asking for, and if said mind control at all compares to someone who can literally manipulate billions of minds at once.

There are explicitly characters who are resistant, and trained against mind control in Star Wars. They are called Jedi, and Sith. Which Darth Sidious can still manipulate in many cases, and he even did so to the entire Jedi Order.

During the Clone Wars, Palpatine conducted Sith rituals on Coruscant that radiated unnerving ripples in the Force, which caused anxiety among most Jedi throughout the galaxy, but also served to increase Anakin Skywalker's hunger for power.

--Taken from The Ultimate Visual Guide

Time stop is useless when Ainz Ooal Gown is fighting someone who is much faster than him, and who can crush him before he even has a chance to use it. Those instant death spells are nothing, and we have weaker Sith Lords like Darth Nihilus who are able to eradicate all life on an entire planet with a single word. You have provided no feats of Ainz Ooal Gown resisting telepathy on the scale of what Darth Sidious is capable of.

Darth Sidious has so much more raw power, speed, and resistance against the sort of instant death spells you are talking about; that Ainz Ooal Gown wouldn't have a chance to do anything before he is pulverized into dust.

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@boogeymonster: He's an undead. Undead in Overlord don't have souls. You can't manipulate it if it doesn't exist.

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@boogeymonster: He's an undead. Undead in Overlord don't have souls. You can't manipulate it if it doesn't exist.

No, I am asking for the direct excerpt from Overlord that notes that Ainz Ooal Gown does not have a soul in any way shape or form.

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@boogeymonster: No he is an undead and undead have TP immunity. Never, not even once it was stated because of the lack of his brain. IIRC Shalter was supposed to be immune to TP (she was effected by a world class item) and she has a brain.

Being trained to resist =/= immune.

Is he MFTL? Because Ainz is easily FTL+. Resistance to death spell you don't even know? He is able to kill unkillable things...so I don't think he can resist that.

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@boogeymonster: Volume 7, iirc. Can't be bothered to go look for it. :P

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@boogeymonster: No he is an undead and undead have TP immunity. Never, not even once it was stated because of the lack of his brain. IIRC Shalter was supposed to be immune to (she was effected by a world class item) and she has a brain.

Being trained to resist =/= immune.

Is he MFTL? Because Ainz is easily FTL+. Resistance to death spell you don't even know? He is able to kill unkillable things...so I don't think he can resist that.

You have yet to provide any citations, or the direct excerpts for any of your claims. If you continue to fail to provide evidence for your side of the argument I am just going to stop taking you seriously at all. What feats do these world class items have? Can they manipulate the minds of billions of people at once?

There is no such thing as true immunity to anything in fiction. There is only resistance against things which are often falsely claimed to be limitless with no feats it back it up in the stories themselves.

Get me a solid FTL feat for Ainz Ooal Gowl that cannot be construed as hyperbole, if you cannot provide more than one example then it is an outlier and thus not usable, and even then Darth Sidious is much faster than characters who are light-speed. He doesn't need to be hundreds of times faster than light, or even a dozen times faster than light here.

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Sidious can't will himself back to live with out a body to possess

Yes, he can. He lived ages in space, traveling to his new body. Sith Spirits are also perfectly capable of using their powers, albeit to a lesser degree than when they were alive

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@purpledeadragon said:

Sidious can't will himself back to live with out a body to possess

Yes, he can. He lived ages in space, traveling to his new body. Sith Spirits are also perfectly capable of using their powers, albeit to a lesser degree than when they were alive

A good example would be Lord Kallig, and Darth Nihilus who possessed his armor. Obiwan Kenobi was also able to fight Starkiller in SW: TFU as a force ghost before being defeated by him in the dark side ending.

Another thing to remember is that Sith Lords are proficient in the use of force drain, and with the most powerful among them being wounds in the force like Darth Nihilius who eradicate entire worlds with but a word. Who is still ranked below Darth Sidious, and he is noted to have mastered every dark side technique.

Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure.

--Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook

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@boogeymonster:

You've yet to ask me anything dude... and you think I'm gonna bother for someone with your attitude just because? Kek

If you bothered reading the thread before posting (a thing I recommend you to do when you have no idea of one of the characters) you'd know it was already explained. World class item can change reality.

You are right, Ainz can be effected if his opponent can rewrite reality. Anything below that won't even be noticed.

Lol it's not up to you to decide... especially if you don't even read the serie.

I'm on mobile and far to lazy to search it for someone who can't even ask it in a decent manner, without whining, so I'll simply drop a link.

Post #155 and there are other info on Ainz.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/momonga-overlord-vs-kirito-sao-vs-neo-matrix-vs-sc-1887910/?page=4

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@boogeymonster:

You've yet to ask me anything dude... and you think I'm gonna bother for someone with your attitude just because? Kek

If you bothered reading the thread before posting (a thing I recommend you to do when you have no idea of one of the characters) you'd know it was already explained. World class item can change reality.

You are right, Ainz can be effected if his opponent can rewrite reality. Anything below that won't even be noticed.

Lol it's not up to you to decide... especially if you don't even read the serie.

I'm on mobile and far to lazy to search it for someone who can't even ask it in a decent manner, without whining, so I'll simply drop a link.

Post #155 and there are other info on Ainz.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/momonga-overlord-vs-kirito-sao-vs-neo-matrix-vs-sc-1887910/?page=4

I have asked for plenty, and you have failed to provide counter evidence on every occasion. You have been going by claims, and nothing else.

I have read the thread, and all I have seen are largely claims not supported by feats. You have yet to provide any feats for these world class items that show that they at all compare to what Darth Sidious is capable of.

You have yet to show me Ainz Ooal Gown resisting telepathy, or telekinesis of the scale I have just shown you. You are once again applying a no limit fallacy.

It is most certainly up to me to decide if you continue to refuse to provide counter feats, and evidence that back them up. Which you have failed to do.

I am not whining. I am the one who has been providing citations, and evidence since my first post in this thread. Which was made because Reigan was butt mad over other several threads involving Star Wars. He couldn't have made a more transparent attempt at a spite thread if he tried. Which has failed because he decided to use Ainz Ooal Gown of all characters instead of someone who actually stands a chance.

The most you provided was Shalltear catching an attack that was claimed to be "near the speed of light," and there are no other instances of this. So, not only does this at best mean Shalltear is as fast as MagnaGuards which are fodder? It is an outlier that doesn't happen more than once. If taken seriously it still wouldn't make a difference as there are literally nameless characters who are that fast, and Darth Sidious can blitz them by the dozen.

You also need to provide any evidence that Ainz Ooal Gown's instant death spells at all compare to Darth Nihilus doing this:

"This is my world. My people, the Miraluka, see its beauty not with their eyes, but through the Force. They do not see it has less than an hour to live. Katarr was a world filled with Force sensitives, and it called to my lord. Aboard his dead ship he hungered through the Force, drew sustenance from death. My people never saw his face when he struck, but they heard his voice. When my lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died. The destruction of Katarr echoed through the Force, the screaming of countless lives. As the Miraluka see life through the Force, we can see death as well."

―Visas Marr (Star Wars: Unseen, Unheard)

He destroyed all life on a planet with a single word. He is explicitly beneath Darth Sidious who is noted as the strongest Sith Lord in history repeatedly.

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@reikai: @decaf_wizard: @boogeymonster: Geez, both sides are coming with unreasonable claims, please, nor Ainz nor Sidious have light speed feats in their own with out relying on power scaling from other character who are "light speed" according to quotes from the books.

Even though some Siths can control force ghosts, Ainz is not the same as a force ghost (not that I know of any instance where Sidious has controlled a force Ghost on his own), and it has been stated in Universe that thanks to his world item he is protected from the world item that alters reality to affect beings with complete mental immunity.

Sidious has never appeared in Ghost form to fight someone like Valkorion did, he has never used force storm in close quarter combat, and please, could people stop using feats from other characters like every feat in the history of the Sith can be used as his?

Also, for the guys who don't even know what Ainz can do, here is a short list, and don't sass me about being taken from a Wiki, I can't be bothered to look for all the quotes in the 12 novels.

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

  • A pocket dimension which contains all of Ainz's items. He can connect it to his treasury if given prep time, which gives him acces to his old allies' divine items, and his guild's world class items. He can retrieve items by opening small portals into his inventory.

Overlord Bonus Abilities

  • Competence in Evil Language
  • Create High Tier Undead (4/day): Ainz can create both an Eyeball Corpse and Pale Rider by using this ability. If Ainz were to use his experience points, he can even create level 90 monsters. (Overlord Wiseman / Grim Reaper Thanatos).
  • Create Middle Tier Undead (12/day): Ainz created Death Knight, Jack the Ripper and Corpse Collector by using this ability.
  • Create Low Tier Undead (20/day): Ainz can create both a Wraith and Bone Vulture by using this ability.
  • Dark Soul
  • Dark Wisdom: Allows the user to increase the amount of spells one can learn by experiencing a sacrifice-ritual event.
  • Despair Aura I: Has a chance of causing Fear.
  • Despair Aura II: Has a chance of causing Panic.
  • Despair Aura III: Has a chance of causing Confusion.
  • Despair Aura IV: Has a chance of causing Insanity.
  • Despair Aura V: Has a chance of causing Instant Death.
  • Electric, Poison, Ice Invalidation
  • High Tier Repel Resistance III
  • High Tier Magic Invalidation III: Nullifies all low tier spells.
  • High Tier Physical Invalidation III: Nullifies all low level attacks (below level 60).
  • Immortal Blessing: Can sense other undead beings.
  • Negative Touch: Deals negative-type damage to the object being touched, attacked, or skill-attacked by Ainz, permanently lowering their physical capabilities. Acquired by Elder Lich level up. Can toggle On/Off.
  • Negative Guard
  • Negative Blessing
  • Status Damage Ⅳ
  • Slashing Weapon Resistance V
  • Strengthened Magic Vision: See Through.
  • Thrusting Weapon Resistance V

Basic Undead Race Traits

  • Critical Hit Invalid
  • Dark Vision
  • Doubled damage by Fire
  • Energy Drain Invalid
  • Food, Drink, and Breathing are Unnecessary
  • Mental Immunity
  • Necromancy Resistance
  • Physical Penalty Resistance
  • Poisoning/Sick/Sleep/Instant Death/Paralysis Invalid
  • Positive, Light, Holy Weakness Ⅳ
  • Recover by Negative Energy
  • Status Damage Invalid
  • Status Penalty in Positive / Holy Area
  • Striking Weapon Weakness Ⅴ

Over Rank Magics

While magic only goes up to the 10th rank, Over Rank Magic is said to go beyond that, but it acts more like a special ability than an actual spell. Magic casters can unleash it without consuming any of their MP. The number you could learn is one for each level after level 70. When it is first learned, it can only be used once a day. However, it can be used once more for every additional ten levels. The average player who has reached level 100 can use Over Rank magic for at least 4 times.

Furthermore, Over Rank Magic has a weakness that it could not be activated consecutively. Firstly, it has an activation period and certain amount of damage done to the magic caster will interrupt the casting. Secondly, although it is possible to use cash items to remove this activation period, Over Rank Magic has a cooldown time for the whole party members, that cannot be removed.

  • Fallen Down: Calls down a huge pillar of blue light from the sky that will burn so bright and hot that it will appear like the whole world has turned white. After a few seconds, it will leave behind an area burned to cinder, devoid of life. This spell deals massive damage, especially to undead-type enemy.
  • Iä Shub-Niggurath: Summons a black cyclone and kills everything in the area. The victims are sacrificed to summon monsters over level 90, "Dark Young". The number of summoned dark young is proportional to the total number of sacrifices.
  • Creation: Changes field effect.
  • Wish Upon A Star: Consumes caster's experience points to grant a wish. Ainz used this spell by using a special item, but he said that he has also learned the spell.
  • Pantheon: Summons 6 level 80, "Cherubims Gate Keeper" through the use of an Over Rank, holy-type magic under his command.

Normal Spells

  • Absorption
  • All Appraisal Magic Item: Identifies the magical effects of an item.
  • Anti-Life Cocoon
  • Astral Smite: Attack that is effective against Ethereal beings. This also counts against beings, who are temporarily Ethereal.
  • Boosted Magic: A modifier that increases the tier of spells to the caster's current magic tier, allowing them to bypass incomplete magic resistances, and increase their effect.
  • Black Hole: Magic that cast a void would absorb the enemy inside.
  • Bless of Magic Caster
  • Body of Effulgent Beryl: 10th-Tier spell. Reduces strike-type damage. If the user reactivate this spell during duration, it negates single strike-type attack.
  • Call Greater Thunder: Summons Large thunder bolts that are fused by multiple strands of lightning.
  • Charm Person: Manipulates the target's mind to make them think the caster is a close friend. However, they will only accept requests that they would willingly do for a friend.
  • Complete Invisibility: It was a spell that was far superior to ‘Invisibility’. Ainz would be completely invisible to anyone unless they used specialized magic to see him. The highest-ranked undead could even see through this spell's effect.
  • Control Amnesia: 10th-Tier spell. Controls memory of the target. Because of its astronomically high cost, Ainz can only manipulate memories up to about ten minutes old. However, if he is only viewing them, he can see memories years old. Stronger the less the target resists.
  • Create Greater Item
  • Distant Vision: A spell that would display what it saw on a flat, magical screen. The screen could also be expanded or shrunken at will.
  • Draconic Power
  • Delay Magic: Delays the activation of spells for an amount of time set by the player. Ainz has perfected its use so that he can cast spells during a timestop, and have them activate the instant it ends.
  • Delay Teleportation: Spell that, once activated, automatically slows enemy teleportation down, notifies the caster of where the enemy is teleporting, and even allows some control over where they teleport to.
  • Dragon Lightning: Shoots out a lightning bolt in the form of a dragon, that then seeks out it target.
  • Drifting Master Mine: An invisible mine that, as the name implies, "drifts" and locks on to targets that enter it's range.
  • Explode Mine: A trap magic that explodes when it is near the enemy.
  • Explosion
  • False Data: Life : Gives the user the ability to fake his/her HP.
  • Fireball: Shoots out a big ball of fire that burns it's target.
  • Fly: Gives the caster the ability to fly.
  • Freedom
  • Gate: Creates a large, two-way portal, which can open anywhere the caster wishes, and be kept open for as long as they want.
  • Grasp Heart: 9th-Tier spell. Ainz destroys internal organ like heart. Kills the target instantly, if the target resists, the target becomes stupefied. This is said by Ainz to be his favorite spell.
  • Gravity Maelstrom: A spiraling black ball of gravity. If it hits the enemy, the intense gravity will make their body collapse in on itself, negating durability.
  • Greater Break Item: Destroys a powerful magic item. Not usable in combat.
  • Greater Full Potential
  • Greater Hardening
  • Greater Luck
  • Greater Magic Seal: Allows most spells to be stored in an invisible, floating magic circle, which can be released later.
  • Greater Magic Shield
  • Greater Rejection: Cancels Greater Summon.
  • Greater Resistance
  • Greater Teleportation: Allows the caster to teleport anywhere they have been or can see instantly, with the same cost no matter the distance. Visions from clairvoyance spells count.
  • Heavenly Aura
  • Hell Flame: This spell shoots out a very small flame that will then latch onto a target and become a raging inferno that burns anything to ashes with black flames.
  • Hold of Ribs: A spell that restricts a target's movement with a giant enclosure of bones.
  • Indomitability
  • Infinity Wall
  • Life Essence: Identifies the current HP of the target.
  • Magic Arrow: Shoots out an arrow made of mana that will pierce a target.
  • Magic Boost
  • Magic Chanter Blessing
  • Magic Ward: Holy: Gives some resistance to the holy element.
  • Mana Essence: Identifies MP of the target.
  • Mantle of Chaos
  • Mass Fly: Gives a group of people the ability to fly.
  • Message: Able to talk to a targeted person through telepathy.
  • Meteor Fall
  • Maximize Magic: A modifier that increases the power and effects of most spells to the caster's highest capabilities, although they will be less cost-efficient than normal.
  • Napalm
  • Negative Burst: Sent out a negative sphere of energy from around the caster's body, that expands hundreds of meters. However, it does low damage in comparison to other spells, so it is better used against many weaker targets.
  • Obsidian Sword: Creates a large obsidian sword that will lock on to a target and hone in like a missile. It has high durability, and will keep attacking until destroyed.
  • Paranormal Intuition
  • Penetrate Up
  • Perfect Unknowable: Erases all non-visible traces of the caster. When in combination with complete invisibility, only the highest level players specialized in stealth or enemy detection would be able to sense Ainz. However, he could only keep up the spell for about ten minutes.
  • Rabbit Ears: Grows two large ears that improve hearing.
  • Reality Slash: A 10th-Tier spell that bisects space to cut the target in half. Top class in damage dealing, but consumes a lot of mana. The spell is considered to be a lesser version of 'World Break'.
  • Repel Undeath: A spell that create a barrier to ward off low-level undead.
  • Sense Enemy
  • Sensor Boost
  • Sharks Cyclone: A spell that invokes a tornado (100 meters high and with a 50 meter diameter). Within the tornado lie 6 meter long sharks waiting to devour anyone unlucky enough to be sucked inside.
  • Thousand Bone Lance: A spell that throws an uncountable amount of bone spears at the target.
  • Touch of Undead
  • Triplet Magic: A modifier that allows the caster to use three of the same spell at once.
  • True Dark: Deals none-type damage with darkness.
  • True Death: A magical projectile that instantly kills a single enemy, and nullifies all but the highest tier of resurrection magic.
  • Twin Magic: A modifier that allows the caster to use two of the same spell at once.
  • Wall of Protection from Arrows
  • Wall of Skeleton: Creates a wall of skeletons that can move and fight to a certain degree.
  • Widen Magic: A modifier that increases a spell's area of effect.

Special Skill

  • Cry of the Banshee: Shout that has an instant death effect, and can also be used with his special skill to widen AOE.
  • Perfect Warrior: A transformation type of spell that allows Ainz to become a level 100 warrior imperfectly in comparison to the original, converting from his magic caster stats to warrior stats. As a result of the transformation, this spell does come with another cost, where he is unable to use neither of his magic or spells during the duration of that transformation time period. However, Ainz was still able to make up for such a weakness by using the powers and abilities of elemental weapons stored within his pocket dimension like Frost Pain Modified, etc instead. While in this form, he has now bypass through the class restrictions such as being able to use Touch Me's World Champion armor without suffering any penalty. However, because he lacks the skills of a true warrior, Ainz would likely lose against a warrior of equal or higher power without the use of special divine or world class items.
  • Time stop: Time magic that stops the enemy for a specific amount of time, and activates instantly. The caster cannot deal damage, but and spells or skills used during the time Stop can be set to activate when it ends.
  • The Goal of All Life is Death: This special skill is one of Ainz's most powerful abilities and comes from the Eclipse class, which is one of the hardest classes to get because it requires the overlord class with spells specialized in necromancy and instant death type magics. The Eclipse class lets the user become a true lord of death, a life consuming Eclipse. This spell delays other instant death type spells for 12 seconds, but allows them to ignore any types of resistance - even invalid. Ainz used this spell with '(Widen) Cry of the Banshee, and it killed everything in 200m (living beings, undead, oxygen, earth, water, etc). The cooldown of this spell is 100 hours duration. It is not possible to resist this spell, with the only counter being that one must use a either an item or skill that would cause them to be revived before the 12 seconds pass.

Other Passives

  • Absolute Flame Resistance (Given by his robes)

And here are Sidious, if you are going to use the Emperor, use the Emperor, stop bringing feats from other Siths, he is the most powerful, but that doesn't mean he can use everyone's abilities with out any evidence, or has he even outright drained a planet in seconds like Vitiade or Nihilus? no? then don't use it.

Disney Abilities

  • Force Barrier: A defensive Force power that creates a barrier or wall of Force energy around the intended target, be itself, friend, or foe. Depending on the strength of the individual, the barrier could only withstand a few attacks before collapsing.

  • Force Lightning: An offensive Force technique that uses Force energy to produce electricity with one or two hands that stream outwards from the fingertips, its speed is usually great enough to catch an opponent off-guard even when prepared, and can be used either in bursts, or simply torrent out in an a gush of agony on its victim.
  • Telekinesis: Darth Sidious can use this through the Force to put his mind literally over matter, capable of blasting opponents, shielding himself or disarming people, its limits are only those of the creativity that Force User has. Darth Sidious has demonstrated considerable prowess with the power, even pulling freighters out of the sky.

  • Telepathy: Can easily manipulate others mentally with the Force to trick, deceive, maim, or even kill outright. Darth Sidious has a considerable mastery for the power, able probe for hidden thoughts in the minds of others and learns them for himself. Also capable of influencing the minds of hundreds of Republic Senators.
  • Tutaminis: Through the Force, Darth Sidious can draw potentially harmful energy into his body and diffuse it or channel it away completely. Darth Sidious demonstrated this power when he used the Force to block several blaster shots from a Rebel spy.

Legends/EU Abilities

  • Convection: A concentration of Force energy that can make Darth Sidious' fists hot to the touch, even to the point of possessing a burning intensity. It doesn't inflict harm upon the user. Darth Sidious has demonstrated the capacity to heat up objects other than himself.

  • Force Barrier: Both an offensive and defensive Force power that creates a barrier or wall of Force energy around the intended target, be itself, friend, or foe. Depending on the strength of the individual, the barrier could only withstand a few attacks before collapsing.
  • Force Drain: Darth Sidious drains the life from his opponents and adds it to his own. He most famously demonstrates this power by using it continuously on the entire population of Byss.

  • Force Healing: Accelerates the body's natural healing process at a rapid pace. Master practitioners of the art can even heal themselves from fatal injuries in a short span of time. Darth Sidious could use this power to heal himself and others.
  • Force Lightning: A Sith ability: An offensive Force technique that uses Force energy to produce electricity with one or two hands that stream outwards from the fingertips, its speed is usually great enough to catch an opponent off-guard even when prepared, and can be used either in bursts, or simply torrent out in an a gush of agony on its victim. Palpatine/Sidious has shown the ability to use this tell-tale ability of the Dark Lords of the Sith countless times against his opponents, enemies, and even his followers. Has shown the ability to easily cause micro-fractures in bones of his victim's body and vaporize flesh on contact to the point of incineration.
  • Force Maelstrom: First, Darth Sidious would form a Force Bubble around his body, concealing and protecting himself inside. Then, any loose objects/persons around Darth Sidious would swirl around the bubble, through telekinesis. Finally, Darth Sidious would devastate the objects by blasting them away, in a surge of Force Lightning.
  • Force Stealth: A power that was used by highly skilled Force-sensitives to mask their Force alignment (Light or Dark), their ability to use the Force or even their entire presence from other Force-sensitives.
  • Force Storm: A volatile dark side Force power capable of creating hyperspace wormholes that were able to displace objects across vast distances and tear apart the surfaces of entire planets. Storms were incredibly difficult to control once unleashed and required mastery in many different Force disciplines. While he possessed knowledge of the technique before his death, it was only after his rebirth during Dark Empire that Sidious exhibited control of it. A long forgotten and highly prized, if ancient Sith technique of insane power. Palpatine/Sidious recovered it when restored to his youthful Clone body in the events of Operation Shadowhand by channeling his anger and rage into a single-point in time-space. This causes a hyperspace wormhole to manifest itself, which he can use to teleport beings across the galaxy or ravage entire planetary surfaces or raze even fleets of city-size warships. Only available in Reborn form.
  • Ionize: Allows Darth Sidious to overload and damage electronic systems, such as droids. It's ineffective when targeting organics.
  • Shroud of Darkness: Darth Sidious has showcased the ability to Telepathically cloud the clairvoyance and long-range precognitive powers of other Force-Users across the entire galaxy for over three decades, if not longer.
  • Telekinesis: Darth Sidious can use this through the Force to put his mind literally over matter, capable of blasting opponents, shielding himself or disarming people, its limits are only those of the creativity that Force User has.
  • Telepathy: Can easily manipulate others mentally with the Force to trick, deceive, maim or even kill outright. Can also use this power externally or internally when it comes to illusion creation, manifestation, and manipulation.
  • Mind Trick: Using the power of the Force, this technique allows Sidious to mentally control and manipulate others, to an unbelievable level of mind-wiping millions on Coruscant to hide a Star-Dreadnought, the Super-class Star Destroyer, Luskanya
  • Soul Possession/Manipulation: Palpatine/Sidious can stave off death by casting off the shackles of his mortal body and frame through the manipulation of his very astral self with the Force. He has used this technique to escape death on at least three times in his life. He can even destroy the mind and soul of a resisting target to take over their body. The only way to stop him is to destroy his soul in turn.
  • Transfer Essence: A radical dark side Force power used to transfer a person's consciousness into another body, or in some cases an inanimate object.
  • Tutaminis: Through the Force, Darth Sidious can draw potentially harmful energy into his body and diffuse it or channel it away completely.
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#50  Edited By Boogeymonster

Darth Sidious, and Mace Windu explicitly have a light-speed feat in their fight. Anakin Skywalker has relativistic feats, and he can't even see them fight either. This when Darth Sidious wasn't even fighting Mace Windu seriously, and lost so he could turn Anakin Skywalker to the dark side.

This happens so many times, and it's done by some many different characters you simply cannot argue that it's beyond Darth Sidious's capabilities or that it's inconsistent. Darth Sidious is also specifically noted to know everything Darth Plagueis does, and everything regarding the dark side in the history of their sect. There is the transference of power that occurs between them after Darth Sidious murders Darth Plagueis, and we see Darth Plagueis do something similar to what Darth Nihilus did to Katarr but on Naboo instead. That without trying, or saying a single word. He caused a nearly apocalyptic event just by arriving on the planet.

Darth Sidious is specifically able to use force drain on billions of people at once, and use the people of Byss as a perpetual dark side nexus.

"The galaxy is choked with beings. Billions die every instant. It is better to make use of this resource. At my retreat on Byss, the life force of its colonists supplied an energy pool to sustain my dark side experiments."

--Taken from Book of Sith: Secrets of the Dark Side

Imperial ships ferried millions of immigrants to the planet Byss, where the Emperor fed off their life energies through the dark side.

--Taken from The New Essential Guide to Characters

After choosing Byss as his resort world, Palpatine lured eager nobles to the planet—then used his dark powers to enslave its people, channeling their life energies for use in his own vile experiments within the fell Imperial Citadel.

--Taken from The Essential Atlas

Years ago, Emperor Palpatine chose Byss as his private retreat, and Imperial architects and engineers were commissioned to build him an opulent palace. Several million humans were allowed to emigrate to the world, where the Emperor and his adepts used the dark side to feed off their life energies. The planet's population eventually reached almost 20 billion, and all outgoing communications were censored by security agents.

--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

I asking for feats for these world items, and what is best instant of mind control they have. How many people have they mind controlled? What exactly can they do to someone's mind? You say Ainz Ooal Gown is immune to things of this scale but provide not feats to back it up.