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Who wins?

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#3  Edited By etriel

AHL is the Platonic Concept of Superheroes, of which, Superman is just an imitation of. So AHL stomps.

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#4  Edited By BleachHub

Ahl stomps. He's the idea that made superman possible to begin with.

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Ahl is the platonic concept for superheroes cas stands no chance

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#6 Underfire47  Online

Ahl is featless, so i guess he loses.

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Ahl, I think Final Heaven is a reality far above Monitor realms

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Ahl.

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It isn't. I debunked this. I made a debunk for those who insist Overvoid is below the Oversphere and the Crack. Simply isn't true, there isn't even a remote mention of Monitor Mind...in fact

Brainiac goes past the Source Wall and finds us reading his comic book and beings looking at and discussing the Cosmic Map made by Grant Morrison. (Here, Brainiac confirms that we are outside in the Source, we are the Source, the authors of DC are the Source, Etc) Right here, those beings are doing the same thing the business people in Retconn of the Crack do, Mr. Myxzptlk has done this, Perpetua has done this and so have the normal members of the Justice League.

Who else is behind the Source Wall? We've only ever seen it happen once, only once in all of DC Comics did anyone showcase no barrier to pass through and what is past the Source Wall, which leads directly to the Over void Monitor Mind. That's in Final Crisis, Superman Beyond Issue 2. Mandrakk and Nil Monitors are the only other non human/"real earth"/DC author/editor/artist that is out there in the Monitor Mind.

Mandrakk was "pushed" into Monitor Mind directly off the ledge of Nil in this canon. There was no Source Wall to pass. They were already past the Source Wall.

Just one canon of DC Comics ever talked about Convergence details in a literal manner, and again, that is Morrison Nil Monitors.

In The Multiversity, they speak directly about past Canons of DC. Not alternate universes or lanes in Hypertime. The actual DC canon shifts.

We know this is literal, because they literally gave Red Racer all of DC comics and their narratives in DC Comic form, so he can learn and read them.

So from there, we get into The Filth, The Crack and Oversphere. Which sadly, which I am sure will upset many others, is not beyond Overvoid Monitor Mind. It is contained inside of Monitor Mind. Proof?

Well, just read it and stop listening to users pandering its beyond Overvoid. It isn't. The comic says they found Retcon in a literal sense inside of Final Heaven.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11115/111152821/7151874-rco010.jpg

Limbo is actually Retcon, the same place, used by the Meta authors of the comic book in the exact same manner shown.

Here is what Final Heaven and Limbo look like to Nil Monitors

So at this point, we've shown that Limbo and Final Heaven are in the same area and pretty much the same thing. Here in Final Heaven, DC Comics and canon and non canon don't matter. They are one in the same concept.

Someone pushes the reset button in Retconn. And from here, it cuts to this image below:

This entire scene takes place in the Retconn offices, or the family home of one of its workers. A kid there has a copy of the cosmic map and puts coffee on it. This isn't them above the Overvoid. This is a sudden location shift out of Retconn and to one of their houses somewhere else where they have a copy of the map.

The Eonymous are Gods that watch everything from their realm below and consume its entertainment. Gosh, that sounds familiar.

Who else does that exact same thing from a higher vantage point beyond Limbo and Retconn? Of course...

Eoynmous, a play on the world Eponymous, which means to give your name and title to something. Of which they are literally watching a Monitor.

The Oversphere is another name for the Retconn space. It isn't different. It's just the title that the comic stories give the exterior realm.

They regard the Paperverse as the narrative of DC comics and such. Not the actual comic book page. But the artwork and ink printed on it, which is the same Ink that Overvoid noticed one day. Now we know how it got there.

The Oversphere is inside of The Crack, which is run by a thing called Hand.

Who else in Morrisons history exists past limbo, consumes and dictates stories, invaded and wants to rewrite DC as a narrative, came from some other place entirely and was the literal Source that Brainiac saw (us, the readers, the collective minds of readers of comics) The same character Grant said was the collective minds and Source for all comic readers, as in us, literally the same thing Brianic saw out in the Source. lol, even has the same name.

The Crack, contained by this dude, an author, a writer, who sees everything as germs.

Not only does the Crack and Oversphere talk about retcons of DC Comics, but so does Nil Monitors back in 2008. With Convergence, the structure of DC gets a few new layers between Overvoid and Limbo. That is the entire sub plot of The Filth. Now they have a new canon to go on. And its a repeat of Superman Beyond.

Literally every single piece of DC lore from the very first comic ever to current times, is now one epic Megaverse, with Canon stories, such as Flashpoint, Frank Miller stories, Batman Beyond, JLA, etc all being a separate canon Multiverse, all under one roof. You can visit these other canons through Bleedspace and Hypertime Lanes.

So there you have it, a 100% fact based debunk on comments about Oversphere and The Crack. The beings of Retconn are even lesser than the concept of Limbo.

Stop listening to biased users on topics and start reading the comic books being debated first :)

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Thor one shota

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#12  Edited By etriel

Limbo and Final Heaven are not the same Julius, quit your lying and bullshitting. They're called differently, remember? See I used your logic. they look differently.

The Overvoid is explicitly a piece of paper in FInal Heaven+ beings.

Being a Piece of Paper doesn't matter if you are just a Piece of Paper on top of a bigger Piece of Paper.

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Your Monitor Wanking has come to a stop already, and you already objectively cannot fool anyone. Lmao

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#13  Edited By MichaelJulius

Looks like your Oversphere office workers are the same as Mr. Myxzptlk and the Justice League.

You lose.

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Oops. There goes your entire nonsense argument. As usual.

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@etriel said:

Limbo and Final Heaven are not the same Julius, quit your lying and bullshitting. They're called differently, remember? See I used your logic. they look differently.

The Overvoid is explicitly a piece of paper in FInal Heaven+ beings.

Being a Piece of Paper doesn't matter if you are just a Piece of Paper on top of a bigger Piece of Paper.

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Your Monitor Wanking has come to a stop already, and you already objectively cannot fool anyone. Lmao

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@etriel: Since I can't pm you.I am gonna ask you here are Lucifer and Micheal at the same level in power? How they fare against Perpetua (each of them on one on one vs Perpetua)?

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Cosmic Armor Superman wins.

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#16  Edited By BleachHub

@michaeljulius: Limbo and Final Heaven are NOT the same things. They aren't even remotely close to each other in location.

Why do you bullshit the cosmology just to wank the monitors? Why are you so infatuated with them? What do you get out of wanking characters?

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#17  Edited By EineFaust  Online

Everything in DC come from the idea of Superman who is the platonic concept of superheroes.

Even Presece or other omnipotent being in DC are no exception.

He started DC and concept of american superheroes.

Everything in DC is byproduct of the idea of Superman.It is officially confirmed.

No matter how you deny this fact and wank very minor characters only a few know, DC Official debunks your butthurt.

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Nope AHL is the platonic concept of heroes

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#19  Edited By EineFaust  Online

@y3kthunder:

Superman is

Do you understand that AHL is only a character created by DC?

Official Fact>>>>>>>superficial setting only a few know

The fact that everything in DC come from Superman is officially confirmed by many works.

No matter how you deny, it can't be changed.

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@einefaust: do you understand that both are characters written by dc? An do you understand that retco made AHL to be the platonic concept for heroes that they put on earth?

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#21  Edited By EineFaust  Online

@y3kthunder:

Can you understand that Superman is metafitionally The first Superhero and Superman started DC and Superhero genre?

Supeficial setting is nothing because DC official has proven that everything in DC come from Superman.

Your butthurt by bringing "a only very minor setting" is very meaningless.

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@einefaust: so no you cannot understand it gotcha😉

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#23  Edited By EineFaust  Online

@y3kthunder:

You can't understand even what has been written officially by Moriison,Geoff,Snyder,etc,lol.

Can you understand Retco is only a tool and characters that only a few know?

Official and Fundamental and metafitional fact>>>>>Supeficial setting only a few care.

If you want to debunk the fact that everything doesn't come from Superman, Provide official evidence,not your personal interpretation about Retco.

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#24 EineFaust  Online

No matter how Retco retcon superficial setting about DC, Retco can't remove Superman and other Superheroes from DC official.

Your butthurt and wank about Retco is very meaningless.

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@einefaust: thats not an interpretation on retco when they state on panel that he is omnipotent god of superheroes. An he represents the platonic concept of superheroes that they planted on earth you can't take that away cause you like superman dude. Lol this is AHLs fight people can use whatever info on him that they like Buzz off yea wanker

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#26 EineFaust  Online

@y3kthunder:

Can you understand character's statement is meaningless in discussion?

If it is ok, Darkseid or Odin are omnipotent because he has been said so.lol.

AHL is only a character and part of DC universe.

As long as he is a only one of DC character,He is nothing but a only byproduct of Superman and metaverse.

If you say

AHL>>>>>The idea of Superman

AHL will remove Superman from entire history of DC universe in both real and unreal.

So,do it or You are troll and AHL is fake.

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Superman being the center of DC cosmology has been confirmed by many writer and work. And,it is now official and The fact proven by real comic book history.

When did AHL start DC cosmology and Superhero genre?

You are troll or can't understand that superficial setting is very meaningless in this level.

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@einefaust: its not useless genius its on panel evidence.

You don't understand who retco is do yea? They oversee everything in dc if they wish to change something they can. they used old comics to create AHL. they called him the god of superheroes an he implanted the idea the concept of heroism on earth making him the concept of a hero. bit the dust mate. He isnt fake though I'm betting you wish he was

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@einefaust: wait wait what's this last part you calling superman real bruh? Lol what you smoking aside from reading some of his comics I never seen him.

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#30  Edited By EineFaust  Online

@y3kthunder:

Are you smoking?

I said "if your statement and interpretation about Retco is true"(Off course it is misconception),Retco can remove Superman from real and unreal comic book history because Retco are above settings and entire fiction.

But,it is impossible because Retco are only characters and Superman is too important for DC fictionally,metafictionally(Everything in DC come from Superman).

Fundamental and official fact proven by many writer and works>>>>>>>>superficial setting and only characters who seems

to be metafitional.

Can you understand?

In other words, Superman is without Retco.Retco is not without Superman because Superman started Superhero genre.

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@einefaust: Yes. Because Lucifer and Presence are superheroes.

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#32 EineFaust  Online

@johnsmjs36:

So,prove it.

BTW,Don't confuse Retco and writers with Presence.

Presece is only a character.

No matter how you are butthurt against Superman, Everything in DC come from Superman. It is confrimed canonically and metafictionally.

If you want to debunk it, provide evidence,not your shitty opinion.

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#33  Edited By Y3kthunder

@einefaust: nope don't need to I just find out the ones that do though an your one of them.

Uh nope pretty sure your thoughts of retco are off not mine there bud they oversee all of dc an are responsible for the major changes in dc history hence the name so yea they could an can an technically did change the idea of superman with the creation of AHL man that must burn don't it. An no the idea of superman didnt create nothing it inspired other writers herpa derp again superman is a character in case you forgot. An its a fact that AHL was created to be the god of superheroes an he himself implanted that idea on earth no way around it an if you wanna get more techical about things refering to your discussion with john lucifer an the presence are a million times more metafictional than superman can ever hope to be you know how many people die an worship those 2? Hell dan watters already stated that lucifer is the actual darkness in all of us so... Herp derp derp pa de herp derp

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#34  Edited By etriel

Presence = Millions of people died in real life, worshipping.

Mandrakk = Worshipped by two reddit virgins

> Mandrakk is more meta than Presence

lmao

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@y3kthunder: Presence is combination of Hinduism + Abrahamic stuff. So we can include India/Hinduism as things the Presence affected irl.

GG

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#36  Edited By Y3kthunder

@etriel: yup an especially because authors in interviews expressively state that thats what the presence represents it goes

Gg indeed

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#37  Edited By EineFaust  Online

@y3kthunder:

So,prove it with official stuff.

Not your shitty opinion.

At least I am based on DC official stuff and official statement.Have you read Supergods? Final Crisis? infinite crisis? multiversity? Doomsday clock?

What is your basis without your shitty opinion?

BTW,Presence is only a character.

Not real judeo-christian GOD.

Without retco or Presence,DC cosmology is but Without Superman DC cosmology is not.

It is confrimed fact supported by DC official

Are you more official than DC official?

Are you smoking?

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@einefaust: Why do I have to debunk Presence and Lucifer being superheros when you haven't even proved how they are?

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So what your saying is youve never read about AHL an retco yes?

https://comicsverse.com/dan-watters-interview-nycc-2018/ dan watters calling lucifer a metaphor for the darkness in us all an you realize the presence doesnt just represent the Christian god he has shown to be Allah Brahman an other Hindu stuff

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@y3kthunder:

Can you understand that Superman is metafitionally The first Superhero and Superman started DC and Superhero genre?

I'm gonna have to stop you right there. Superman was not the first superhero, he wasn't even the first DC superhero, that was Doctor Occult three years prior. When it came time for Superman's first appearance he did so alongside the superhero Zatara. Being that all of that is fact, how did Superman start DC when it existed before him, and is in fact simply a character in DC (albeit a popular/iconic one)?

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@etriel:

Presence is only a character.

Not real GOD.

It is confirmed in Lucifer series.

Don't confuse Presence(only a character) with real GOD.

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@jrupert1:

Superman is The first Superhero who started and ignited Superhero genre.

How Zatara or Mr occult start and ignite Superhero concept as worldwide genre?

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@einefaust: https://i.imgur.com/RNL8w2e.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/wU19drI.jpg

Gg

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#44  Edited By EineFaust  Online

@y3kthunder:

If so, according to Grant Morrison, Darkseid is the platonic idea of darkness and evil.

According to Geoff Johns, Necron is archytype of empty and darkness without life.

Such a statement is meaningless,you know?

BTW,Have you read Supergods? infinite Crisis? Final Crisis? Multiversity? Doomsday Clock?

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@einefaust: yea but big difference I could ask a million people who darkseid is but no one would no or very little could ask the same of whos lucifer or god or Allah or braham an get oh I know them. What they represent is way bigger especially considering the authors refer them to there religious backgrounds not that I wish to get into that someone the other day asked me to go to church an I just smiled an turned the other cheek btw the above scans state that AHL is the first superhero concept no taking that away from him

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@y3kthunder:

If so, according to Grant Morrison, Darkseid is the platonic idea of darkness and evil.

According to Geoff Johns, Necron is archytype of empty and darkness without life.

Such a statement is meaningless,you know?

BTW,Have you read Supergods? infinite Crisis? Final Crisis? Multiversity? Doomsday Clock?

superman is written by Jews who are the CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD

Presence solos. GG

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@etriel: lol yup an the presence honestly represents all religions as a whole tbh either way I just proved AHL is the concept of superheroes an god of them superman is a hero at least last time I checked so gg

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#48  Edited By jrupert1

@einefaust said:

@jrupert1:

Superman is The first Superhero who started and ignited Superhero genre.

How Zatara or Mr occult start and ignite Superhero concept as worldwide genre?

Oh so he didn't have to be the first comic book superhero and he didn't have to start DC comics he just had to be the first to boost the popularity? Okay so long as I understand the rules here (that they can change at your whim). Because we already covered that part in bold, remember... I told you he didn't start it. Ignited the popularity sure but you're not making that singular argument (which wouldn't be relevant anyway). But going by this new logic I guess in a super duper ultra meta way Zatara did have as much to do with igniting the genre, as his first comic was just as popular as Superman's (it's that classic magician trick).

But ultimately your original premise is still just faulty, all the superheroes didn't come from him, DC didn't come from him, the end.

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#49 EineFaust  Online

@etriel:

Are you smoking?

Presence is a only character.

Don't confuse him with real GOD.

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#50 EineFaust  Online

@y3kthunder:

AHL is only a character.

Not a true platonic concept of superheroes.

At least,Superman is more platonic than him in that sense.

Even Grant Morrison confirms that Superman is the idea of good and superheroes.