Agent 47 VS Sam Fisher

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@subline: You're right, I forgot that the people in that GIF were Splinter Cells so my bad there.

But still, I think the fact that he is taking them by surprise is a more significant factor than the difference in quality of opposition. Grimm being able to gun three down without them reacting highlights this I think, and whilst it is still impressive it is hard to quantify how much of it is due to Sam's speed. In the clip (https://youtu.be/kD0V4OyiUdY) the Splinter Cells don't really seem to be paying much attention to Sam and are looking around. As well as this, Sam is using Reed as a shield which makes the Splinter Cells less likely to fire back immediately.

"She slipped through a clump of church members who were rushing towards him with terrified, panicked expressions on their faces. NMA soldiers behind them fired, and several victims fell to the grass.Enraged, 47 drew his second Silverballer and fought two-handed. He was forced to dart about to avoid being hit, but he managed to wound or kill six men in the space of three seconds."

- Hitman: Damnation

It's true that 47 hasn't outdrawn the same calibre of opposition as Splinter Cells, but I think his feats of quickly taking out people who have gotten the jump on him, the opposite of what Sam did, and his overall ability to kill people in firefights in a short space of time should give him an edge and make him the quicker marksman overall in my opinion.

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@rerisen: Good point, but don't you think it's possible that Grim is that fast? She's pretty well trained and considering she has the "Mark & Execute" ability she might be held at high status In Universe. Though you have made me more skeptical of this feat, however the gap between Sam and other Splinter Cells is massive, as established in the novels, so we don't have to rely on the White House feat alone.

"The other Splinter Cells were mere children compared to Fisher."

I don't think shooting down 6 guys in 3 seconds is beyond Fisher's capabilities either, he was able to clear a room of 9 men, shooting down 7 in possibly less than 3 seconds, and then taking down one in CQC while the hostage dealt with the remaining one.

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@rerisen: It’s nice that you’re using book feats for 47. But wasn’t the context for your quote during the ending battle in Damnation? Where it was two opposing army’s fighting and 47 is just making his way out of the middle. The guys he killed would be distracted by fighting their opponents, so the whole “6 guys in 3 seconds” thing can’t solely be attributed to 47s speed.

Also notice how it says “wound or kill” meaning he’s not even landing precision kill shots, like Fisher did against the Splinter Cells.

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@subline: I have no doubt she's very capable, but based on in-universe statements and lore I'd expect her to be less capable of a marksman than trained Splinter Cells. So whilst that GIF does show she's a very good gunfighter and you'll hear no argument from me against her being an ace marksman, I don't think it can necessarily be used to scale them to the Splinter Cells. I do agree than Fisher is a lot more capable than your typical Splinter Cell though.

I did forget about that Blacklist trailer feat. Based on that I don't think there's a huge edge in shooting speed for either fighter. How do you think they compare in other areas?

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@allstarsuperman: Gonna be honest the scan is stolen and I haven't actually read the book in its entirety, so I couldn't answer that lol. I just thought that was impressive because it gave an exact measurement for his shooting speed which works well in tandem with his feats of outreacting other gunmen. You do bring up a good point about his shots being less accurate though, but I think being in a hectic battle and having to move to avoid being shot (according to the quote) makes it more impressive than if it was an isolated encounter.

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@rerisen: In terms of Stealth, they both excel but in a different way. 47 relies more on tricks and disguises (pretend to be a barber and kill the target / customer, dress up as a bartender and spike a drink, etc.). While Sam relies less on interacting with people, and just avoids detection completely, he's better suited for this too since he's more agile, has EMP grenades to block out lights, NV goggles to give him advantage in the dark etc.

As for CQC, if you had asked me a few months ago I'd have said 47, his feat against Sanchez was really good, but now Sam's got an even better feat, following the release of the Animated Rainbow Six Siege teaser, in which Sam beats up a brute that casually charges through a concrete wall.

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47 doesn’t have feats

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Sam takes this imo

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Played both game series and i can say that 47 would win this fight. Yes, there's exist possible scenario where Sam would be winner and he definitely has his chances in fight but in many cases 47 will kill Fisher without any issues. And yes it's not because 47 is genetically enhanced human its because his mind is workind perfectly in just one way: TO KILL.

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So I made an account just to answer to everyone shilling that Sam is faster. So here we go, taken straight from the Hitman wiki. Agent 47 abilities:

  • Physical Enhancements: As a class one type clone, Agent 47 was genetically enhanced in order to perform physical tasks much more efficiently than an average peak-human. To keep his skills in balance, Agent 47 practices his combat, shooting, assassination, and stealth skills whenever he is not on an assignment. He has over his life become a myth in the underworld due to his skills. Many doubt in 47's existence because of his skills in completing impossible assignments to the point that the FBI and CIA denies his existence. He has killed professional assassins sent by the Franchise, killed the likes of the genetically superior people, Mark Parchezzi III and Sanchez. He managed to kill a group of Mr 48 clones despite them being created to be better than 47. He also defeated the Saints and the Praetorians, the former an elite squad of killers & the latter members of an elite and professional PMC. When training to join the agency Eric Soders claims his stats are off the charts, and considered Agent 47 a threat to the agency itself. In Hitman: Absolution, his skills were so excellent that an agency soldier and Benjamin Travis said that he was "the scalpel".
    • Heightened Speed: Agent 47 is apparently able to run 10km (6.2 miles) in 36 minutes and 39 seconds. His reflexes are also similarly superior. He was able to react to Mark Parchezzi III trying to shoot him, by immediately dodging the bullet.
    • Heightened Strength: He is physically strong even when compared to adult males of his size and build in peak condition; being able to climb pipes, move, drag and dispose of bodies, snap necks, knock opponents unconscious, and jump from balcony to balcony with minimum effort. Displays of his peak-physical strength have been seen many times, as he is even able to strangle a physically powerful being, such as Tzun. He was even able to toe-to-toe with Sanchez, a man who is physically superhuman due to Warren Ashford's experiments and even kill him with his bare hands.
    • Heightened Metabolism: He has an inhuman and effective metabolism, which has a limited, but sufficient healing factor. His healing is efficient enough to help him recover from a gunshot in a few hours despite him needing some medical attention in order to have the bullet removed and the pain suppressed with some painkillers. He was even tough enough to walk for a long time with critical injuries before passing out.
    • Heightened Senses: Agent 47's instincts are so profound that he can effectively visualize everyone around him (and also people of interest such as targets and guards) through walls and floors.
    • Heightened Endurance: 47 has survived things that would kill normal humans. he survived a fatal gun wound and was able to walk before passing out. When he was thrown by Sanchez through a wooden door with his superhuman strength, all it did was knock him out for a few minutes. He had even survived being electrocuted by the voltage that would kill a normal person.
  • Stealth Intuition/Impersonation: Agent 47 has mastered the art of stealth, being able to terminate multiple enemies in the same area one at a time and sneak up on almost anybody and quietly neutralize them. 47 also has an expert level understanding of the use of disguises in order to access unauthorized areas of a location.
  • Driving Intuition: It is evident that Agent 47 is a very skilled driver, judging from how well he managed to maneuver Dr. Ort-Meyer's car past a police blockade (in rainy conditions) at the end of Asylum Aftermath. Agent 47's driving skill is also manifested in his ability to drive specialist motor vehicles - such as a bus and a large truck at the end of Amendment XXV and The Meat King's Party, respectively. Agent 47's vehicular skills are not just limited to cars - He is seen flying helicopters and planes and driving boats numerous times throughout the series.
  • Martial Artist: Trained extensively and thoroughly in armed and unarmed combat and in the use of improvised weapons, such as explosives, sniper rifles, automatic weapons and bladed weapons, Agent 47 is fully adept at surveying his environment and using it to his advantage. Highlighted in Hitman: Enemy Within and Hitman: Absolution, 47 is an expert in hand-to-hand combat. From a young age, Agent 47 was trained with his fellow clones to master kickboxing. Agent 47 was an above average fighter, losing only to clone number 6. In Hitman: Blood Money, he can disarm trained and armed soldiers with ease, as well as render people unconscious with minimal effort. In Hitman: Absolution, he is skilled enough to engage several armed enemies unarmed and survives. He also shows his skill in martial arts and his inhuman physical strength when he is able to beat a genetically altered giant Sanchez in a one on one fight.
  • Marksmanship/Weaponry Usage: The newspaper in Hitman: Blood Money describes him as "a perfect marksman on par with Legendary Agent 47," which likely means his skills are so profound that every bullet he has fired so far has met its intended target.
  • Resourcefulness: He is also resourceful enough to maintain anonymity by avoiding leaving forensic evidence for law enforcement agencies to discover through various methods. Agent 47 is skilled in infiltration, as seen in the trailer for Hitman: Absolution when he must enter Diana Burnwood's mansion to kill her, ex-filtration, and evasion, as well as the traditional art of assassination as seen when carrying out contracts. On-site, he can slip past guards without arousing too much suspicion. Agent 47 also has a detailed understanding of human anatomy and human nature, shown through his use of poisons, and sedatives, as well as striking vital points when strangling targets silently or using hand to hand combat. He also knows how best to move throughout an area without catching the attention of civilians or armed guards. He knows exactly what parts of the human body to shoot that would be a survivable shot, a fatal shot or even a slow painful shot which 47 has used to interrogate one of his victims. He is also able to face multiple enemies unarmed and survives the encounter unharmed.
  • .

By the time Sam Fisher was a child learning at school, 47 was already killing and getting away with it. He is the most effective killer anywhere. Sam is toast, the only worthy opponent for him would be Solid Snake.

Just in case you people didn't read, he dodged a bullet and he can shoot two different people at the same time with pinpoint accuracy without aiming down. He can kill you by throwing a screwdriver to your head from 10 meters away at a dead eye accuracy if he doesn't have weapons available. And just a reminder, Fisher only knows Krav Maga, which can be easily countered by someone more skillfull, like Sadiq. Hitman has never met his match in hand to hand combat.

So yeah, by the end of this scenario you would only hear Diana saying

"Good work, 47"

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@dontrundontslip:

After five long years, I've awoken just to say I'm still right y'all.

Having Fisher in that terrible Rainbow Six game destroyed my comment pretty significantly tho, still stands that 47 takes out Fisher, but I can see plenty more scenarios where 47 fails.