@decaf_wizard: Single unarmed humans MAY have killed ILL, OLDER or INEXPERIENCED lions. No human would even touch on an Alpha Healthy Lion.... These are lions so skilled that they can fight with, for example, 4 buffaloes (buffaloes normally don't fight in packs but you get my message), 4 hyenas, or 4 other lions at the same time, being only one. They have the experience, and they also know how to intimidate even more, etc... I've seen Lions preying on buffaloes, giraffes and hyenas. A buffalo would completely smash a human taking in account the size difference — not to mention these horns, who could easily gore or disembowel someone. The kick of a giraffe would instantly crack someone's cranium, the neck hit of a giraffe would sends someone flying. And the bite of a hyena is equivalent to having a grand piano dropping at you (https://www.alansfactoryoutlet.com/the-bite-force-of-different-animals). Still, lions commonly hunts and beats the shit out of it. And the bite of a lion itself is equivalent to have a telephone pole getting dropped at you.
And this claim that lions are lazy is something completely out of common sense (not implying that you have said it, but other people says). The male lions stand there watching, because exactly if another male lion comes, it is the lion that will need to fight with him to continue the position of leader. A lioness would completely stand no chance with it. Also, any lioness would get instantly wrecked one vs one against a buffalo. While a lion can 1v1 a buffalo and wins. So, it is because of that. And not always the lionesses hunt the MAJORITY of the menu, too. Search about Mapogo Lions, or Okavango Delta lions — all of those are LIONS hunters who do not depend/rely on any lioness, and also fight with other lions who want to get the ''job'' as a leader. Mapogo Lions are the living definition of ''LEGEND''. A lion would come charging at 80 kph, and no human is stopping it.
How would a human kill a lion? Trying to choke the animal? Sorry, but if you the lion is adult, you would just be choking a lot of hair. Trying to hit a lion's eyes is a bad idea, and it's much easier for your hand to be swallowed in the process. All of these fighters couldn't mount on top of the lion at the same time, as they would have the gorilla also there, ready to oneshot or tear any of them in half as well, and the lion would be much faster at sticking his keratin claws around each other's necks, or any place, and just letting them bleed to death. A lion is much faster than you think it is, even if with the mane. A lion could already take down three/four of them only if the lion decided to ambush. Whether it's a fighter or not, man, being scratched by a lion is not the same as being scratched by a domestic cat. Fighters are still human beings. Strength of flexing as the monk is doing is different from the strength we use in a fight. THOSE are exercise forces.
And still, all of these fighters have already been knocked out by some other human fighter. If another human has already accomplished this feat, won't a lion succeed?
And Bruce Lee, of course he is legendary, the father of martial arts, and one of the most precise philosophers I have ever seen, but these claims that Bruce Lee trained, for example, with a metal punching bag or that Bruce Lee could pierce a human skull with one finger, is the same as Chuck Norris' jokes.
Lions also detect fear, and these fighters have strong psychological strength to fight with other humans. Not with animals. Even more when this animal is an APEX predator. The roar of a lion also paralyzes the prey.
The lion is determined, and it will fight until the death. OP states no weapons, till the death, and that both animals are bloodlusted. An example of a bloodlusted lion is a straight man-eater lion case. A gorilla is not a carnivore yet, it will kill all these fighters and will keep it quiet. The lion will kill, and will still eat them, feed on their dead bodies. So the lion is still more determined than the gorilla, because it involves the lion's own health at stake more than that of the gorilla. No human is damaging a gorilla physically, too. Humans created weapons exactly to hunt these animals and so on, because physically they simply saw no way to win. Putting humans against animals like that in a fight restricting weapons, it's a straight death for the human. Fighters are stronger than the average man, they are still below most animals in strength. Also, humans lack like a CONTAINER in natural weaponry. Not a lot.
@bloodfury: You realize that solo lions get bulled extremely hard by literal monkeys and 40 pound dogs in a group situation yes?
baboons will mob and kill solo lions and jaguars if they get desperate enough, although they usually run away and african wild dogs will literally hunt solo lions. Humans will be more dangrous to a lion than either
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literally a female gets bullied by a single baboon
@bloodfury: You realize that solo lions get bulled extremely hard by literal monkeys and 40 pound dogs in a group situation yes?
baboons will mob and kill solo lions and jaguars if they get desperate enough, although they usually run away and african wild dogs will literally hunt solo lions. Humans will be more dangrous to a lion than either
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literally a female gets bullied by a single baboon
On what planet is an unarmed human more dangerous than a Baboon, or an African Wild Dog? They may be smaller, but anyone of those creatures would almost certainly win against your average human male. Never mind the wild dogs, you know how tough those Baboons are?
Second, I don't know how you don't know this since its right there in the video...but that Lioness wasn't even taking the Baboon seriously. It was only screwing around with the monkey. Was it cautious, defintely. Was it scared, hell no. Had she felt like it, the baboon would be lunch. Leopards already prey on Baboons all the time, why you think a lone Baboon could drive off any african big cat aside from a Cheetah is completely beyond me.
@azureus: you do realize that the average African Wild Dog is 50 pounds and a male Baboon is 60-80 poundsyea? Brock Lesnar is like 300 pounds. I would be FAR more scared of 300 pounds charging me, and so would a Lion
you know how tough those Baboons are
I know for an absolute fact not as tough as some of these people, through sheer size difference
but that Lioness wasn't even taking the Baboon seriously. It was only screwing around with the monkey. Was it cautious, defintely. Was it scared, hell no.
It was very obviously waiting for backup......
anyone of those creatures would almost certainly win against your average human male.
A 50 pound wild dog is not beating literally any of these males, which are far from average and Baboons regularly fail against adult male humans that have any weapon more complex than a rock (this includes a somewhat sturdy stick)
Leopards already prey on Baboons all the time, why you think a lone Baboon could drive off any african big cat aside from a Cheetah is completely beyond me.
Yea no. Leopards either surprise attack the Baboon, or hunt them at night when they can't even see what hits them. Leopards will almost never attack a Baboon group in broad daylight because the males will mob and beat them up
@decaf_wizard My whole point has always been male lions, not lionesses. And as the guy said, a baboon and a wild dog are not animals that are totally incapable of killing a human and inferior to a human in terms of combat, too. First, a baboon lives swinging on trees even though they seemingly have small arms, something no human could stand for long. Secondly, African Wild Dogs can bite at 317 PSI. It's small compared to other animals in Africa, but it's already enough to kill a human — that just bites between 200 PSI, etc... Not to mention MUCH OTHER FACTORS... As well as the fact that these animals ALWAYS walk in groups. I've never seen any ''lone wild dog'' yet. I've seen a wild dog already tanking the bite of a hyena in a documentary about ''traitors animals'', wild dogs go straight toe-to-toe against hyenas, leopards, wildboars.... why the hell would any human be a problem to them, I wonder. People exaggerates like a lot, leopards have already knocked down gorillas — gorillas are bigger than baboons, and lionesses are even bigger than leopards. Do the math.
And a lion? A lion is used to face and hunt already a whole herd of buffalo... humans — even if fighters, are a laugh to them. OP didn't say the lion is forbidden to ambush too.... Keep in mind that there is considerable time for buffalo to die, even if that way (ambushing and biting at the throat) — but a buffalo is much stronger than even the strongest human being in the world. A buffalo it takes a considerable time for him to die, but a human being would be like, very quick. The lion would bite, and only the noise of the fighters's breaking neck would be heard. He would then proceed to do this do another, and to another.... The fighters would be thinking, and the lion would be already at their throats. A lion can handle being trampled by a herd of wildebeests or buffaloes, and the lion in this entire video was risking it to go through it, too — I don't see the blows of these fighters being enough to just knock a freakin' male, healthy and alpha lion down. Once a lion fixes its claws in it, its not being removed so easy from there. Even if you are a fighter, you are not a superhuman to tank such amount of pain and on don't panicking like seeing a lot of blood sneezing out. And as I said, there's still a chance some of these fighters will be scared face-to-face to such apex beast, while fear just doesn't exist in the lion's vocabulary.
Some of these additions are kind of funny. And why is everyone bagging on Kimbo? He’d Beat the shit out of Jet Li and probably a couple others on this list.
The animals win low difficulty. The animals are bloodlusted but the humans aren’t. They would drop like flies. The wounds received from either of these animals would be far worse than any of them have ever experienced, and that’s just from casual hits, scratches or bites. They will fall back, and even if they tried to fight as a team, that plan would quickly fall apart as they take damage. I’ll never understand how anyone thinks that any single human could stand up to a raging silverback. They would literally one shot everyone on this list. The lion would then pounce on everyone that falls. There is a reason why rodeo clowns only distract the bull and wait for it to tire out. They also have places all around the ring to run and get to cover where the bull can’t reach them. A prime male lion would have no trouble at all with a bull. Imagine 300 lb Brock lesner running full speed at a 100 lb adult man and hitting him. What would happen? Yea, it wouldn’t end well for the little guy and it wouldn’t take more than one hit to drop him. That’s what this fight would be like. The sheer weight coming down on top of them would at least knock the wind out of them, opening them up for a killing blow. The smaller guys here would be like Lesner fighting a group of trained attack children. It wouldn’t be a challenge for him. Should have added Bob Sapp. Wasn’t he around 500 lbs? Also, the dude that plays the mountain. I still don’t think it would make much of a difference, but it would make the fight more interesting.
you do realize that the average African Wild Dog is 50 pounds and a male Baboon is 60-80 pounds yea?
Yes. You do realize that size is not the reason why these two animals are deadlier than unarmed Humans right?
Brock Lesnar is like 300 pounds. I would be FAR more scared of 300 pounds charging me, and so would a Lion
And that's where you went wrong. YOU might be more afraid of Lesnar for the wrong reasons, but a Lion would be far more wary of the African Wild Dog and Baboon. Brock Lesnar is quite literally an easy 300 pound meal for a Lion. No fur for protection, no claws and no teeth to fight with, can't fight, can't run away. Easy pickings. While Brock Lesnar is certainly bigger stronger than the Baboon and Wild Dog, these creatures have actually been equipped with natural weapons to fight off predators. They can actually inflict injury and they're not as exposed or defenseless.
That said, a Wild Dog or Baboon would stomp Lesnar.
know for an absolute fact not as tough as some of these people, through sheer size difference
Comparing size differences aren't a fact. Weight to strength ratios are not the same across the board. There are 50-80 pound creatures that would overpower and kill you with no difficulty, while you could easily beat the living hell out of a 160 pound person.
It was very obviously waiting for backup....
Of course it was, I never disputed that. But to say the Baboon was "bullying" or try to suggest the lioness would need help there is simply pure nonsense. The Lioness was very clearly teasing it and keeping it in the area. Again, if it wanted the Baboon dead right then and there it would happen.
A 50 pound wild dog is not beating literally any of these males
Wrong. A single bite could easily mean any of the people here are crippled.
which are far from average and Baboons regularly fail against adult male humans that have any weapon more complex than a rock (this includes a somewhat sturdy stick)
Define regularly fail.
Yea no. Leopards either surprise attack the Baboon or hunt them at night when they can't even see what hits them.
Interesting, so Leopards basically hunt Baboons the EXACT SAME WAY they hunt other prey animals. Who could've thought? What's your point though? No lone Baboon is putting up a fight.
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Leopards will almost never attack a Baboon group in broad daylight because the males will mob and beat them up
That said, a Wild Dog or Baboon would stomp Lesnar.
And this is where you lose any and all credibility
An African Wild dog is anywhere to less than a third to a fifth of the weight of Lesnar. The idea that a single Wild Dog beats BROCK LESNAR is utterly laughable. Brock Lesnar could toss the entire weight of the thing several meters with one damn arm. Brock Lesnar hits hard enough to shatter human sized bone (which he has in his MMA career). What happens if that connects to a baboon skull do you think? Or what happens if manages to get a hold of the dog? Keeping well in mind he has over a 200 pound weight advantage over either of these things. With a weight advantage like that, if he manages to pin either a Wild Dog or Baboon, they get pummeled to death full stop. There are examples of people doing this to Leopards and Mountain Lions.
Hell, if we want to wank humans, there are examples of people soloing Grizzlies by biting onto their neck (although such a circumstance would be absurdly rare)
You are seriously underrating humans here. What do you think ancient hominids did? Die to everything that had a sharp tooth? In reality, any fight that is human vs dog is going to be an incredibly long and brutal fight unless the human grapples the dog or the dog gets a bite to the throat. If either happens, that side wins, but a human is SO much more likely to get ahold of the dog with that size advantage. Especially these guys, who are trained to grapple immobilize and pummel things, as well as shit like leverage kicks, and an AVERAGE human kick can crush bone when angled correctly.
And this is where you lose any and all credibility
Really now?
An African Wild dog is anywhere to less than a third to a fifth of the weight of Lesnar. The idea that a single Wild Dog beats BROCK LESNAR is utterly laughable.
Oh its funny until Lesnar is unable to fight effectively out of exhaustion and then is inevitably killed. The only way a Wild Dog could lose here is if it somehow gets caught or attempts a battle of strength, which THEY NEVER DO.
Brock Lesnar could toss the entire weight of the thing several meters with one damn arm.
The Wild dog could crunch through the thickest bones in his body with virtually no effort.
Brock Lesnar hits hard enough to shatter human sized bone (which he has in his MMA career). What happens if that connects to a baboon skull do you think?
You honestly think fighting animals is like fighting people? Do you know how hard it is to actually throw an effective punch, or one that hits where it is intended when fighting an animal? With all the twisting, biting and scratching like Baboons fight, how frequently is Lesnar going to land such a punch?
Or what happens if manages to get a hold of the dog?
Well that's GG right there.
Keeping well in mind he has over a 200 pound weight advantage over either of these things. With a weight advantage like that, if he manages to pin either a Wild Dog or Baboon they get pummeled to death full stop. There are examples of people doing this to Leopards and Mountain Lions.
Pinning a Wild Dog is one thing, since there's only so many ways they could attack. A Baboon is something else, they're as versatile as humans in that regard. You don't want to be grappling with a Baboon. They got inch long canines and some nasty claws.
Hell, if we want to wank humans, there are examples of people soloing Grizzlies by biting onto their neck (although such a circumstance would be absurdly rare)
You could, but then I could post the many examples of people getting shredded by even weaker bears and creatures.
You are seriously underrating humans here.
Perhaps, but its not far from the truth.
What do you think ancient hominids did? Die to everything that had a sharp tooth?
Ancient Hominids themselves were far stronger than we are and had protection we don't have and better teeth to deal with these threats. Anything after Homo Habilis had weapons to fight with, which is already a huge advantage because a man with a knife could likely kill most land carnivores.
I don't see the comparison, considering they would likely be even stronger than a Chimp.
In reality, any fight that is human vs dog is going to be an incredibly long and brutal fight unless the human grapples the dog or the dog gets a bite to the throat. If either happens, that side wins, but a human is SO much more likely to get ahold of the dog with that size advantage. Especially these guys, who are trained to grapple immobilize and pummel things, as well as shit like leverage kicks, and an AVERAGE human kick can crush bone when angled correctly.
Ancient hominids used tools like spears, rocks and group tactics to kill prey and defend themselves from predators. Modern humans could do the same thing. Give this group Spears and the animals stand no chance. There might be human casualties, due to animal bloodlust, but the humans would win. This scenario requires the humans to fight with nothing but their bare hands. They all die.
Either animal could solo. Even if by some miracle they could match a lion or gorilla in strength. They don’t have the speed, durability, or mentality of an an apex predator/murderous gorilla.
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