Naruto as a adult should be comparable to his teen self, and Naruto after going serious is able to match Kaguya pound for pound in close combat for a while
It's repeatedly stated how much more powerful Kaguya is compared to Madara in power, and Naruto is able to match her briefly.
So I believe both teen EoS Naruto and current hokage Naruto would beat Madara.
Teen Naruto Kurama Six Paths Mode matched Biju Amped Susanoo Sasuke which = SO6P Hagoromo. Kurama stated Sasuke was equal to him.
Teen Naruto Clones were taking care of Dual Rinnegan Madara’s Limbo Clones. Just imagine what Adult Nardo what do.
Kaguya is a good way to scale. Naruto was holding his own against her, yet she is much stronger than Dual Rinnegan Madara.
If we say Full Rinnegan 10 Tails Madara = Hagoromo, then logically Adult Naruto should be stronger, since this is 13 years later and Adult Naruto is stronger than his Teen Self.
If Naruto still has the chakra of all the Bijuu then he can simply remove the 10 tails from Madara if he can tag him with 9 Rasenshurikens like he did against Kaguya.
Or Madara can be held down with magnet release and extract the bijuu like he did against Obito.
Madara is immortal and can be only sealed by sun and moon seals and naruto doesn't have them so madara will win. Also naruto can not remove bijuus from him.
After thinking about it, Madara stomps, Naruto still has Six paths Sage mode but he doesn't have access to the Bijuus going by Shikamaru's novel and him never using the Chakra of any of the Bijuu in Boruto(other than Kurama).
So he can't do something like this anymore, Adult Naruto would get cut in half with the lighfang and has no speed feat to suggest he won't.
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Madara Limbo clones beaten 4 of Naruto's clones, Naruto's clones have perfectly distributed Chakra so since Madara limbo clones beaten 4 of Naruto clones then they can beat any number of Naruto's clones.
So, Madara can one shot Adult Naruto with the lightfang and his Limbo clones can beat any number of Naruto clones, Madara is also completely immortal and can only be sealed with the Sun-moon seal afteer he absorbed the God tree.
Teen Naruto Kurama Six Paths Mode matched Biju Amped Susanoo Sasuke which = SO6P Hagoromo. Kurama stated Sasuke was equal to him.
Teen Naruto Clones were taking care of Dual Rinnegan Madara’s Limbo Clones. Just imagine what Adult Nardo what do.
Kaguya is a good way to scale. Naruto was holding his own against her, yet she is much stronger than Dual Rinnegan Madara.
If we say Full Rinnegan 10 Tails Madara = Hagoromo, then logically Adult Naruto should be stronger, since this is 13 years later and Adult Naruto is stronger than his Teen Self.
Also Madara can be sealed with Magnet Rasengan.
I wouldn’t say 6PSM teen naruto is as powerful as Hagoromo just because he matched Indra’s arrow. Hagoromo have 2 Rinnegan and a giant Susanoo, not to mention being Juubi Jinchuriki (while Naruto only had half a Kyuubi).
I was also having a debate with @whatamiseeing when he argued that Naruto + Sasuke = dead Hagoromo because their Six Paths powers was Hagoromo-given. From what I can tell I’m somewhere inbetween these 2 arguments.
After thinking about it, Madara stomps, Naruto still has Six paths Sage mode but he doesn't have access to the Bijuus going by Shikamaru's novel and him never using the Chakra of any of the Bijuu in Boruto(other than Kurama).
Lies. It's literally stated that he's the meeting place of all the Bijuu's so he should still have their chakra.
So he can't do something like this anymore, Adult Naruto would get cut in half with the lighfang and has no speed feat to suggest he won't.
Except he already dodged it. Nice try though.
Madara Limbo clones beaten 4 of Naruto's clones, Naruto's clones have perfectly distributed Chakra so since Madara limbo clones beaten 4 of Naruto clones then they can beat any number of Naruto's clones.
Why are you using Teen War Arc Naruto's feats when the OP clearly states that we're using Adult Naruto? He has 50% more chakra and has better striking feats than Madara's clones. So if Madara tries that his clones get stomped. Not to mention that he can only use them for a few minutes.
These scans are useless and doesn't actually prove your point.
So, Madara can one shot Adult Naruto with the lightfang
Except he already dodged it. And he'd get speedblitzed before he could do that anyway.
and his Limbo clones can beat any number of Naruto clones,
No they can't.
Madara is also completely immortal and can only be sealed with the Sun-moon seal afteer he absorbed the God tree.
Nope. The sun and moon seal was meant for Kaguya, not Madara. It was never stated that the only way to beat him is with with seals. So either we're not reading the same manga or you're simply a liar.
Lies. It's literally stated that he's the meeting place of all the Bijuu's so he should still have their chakra.
What about showing me Adult Naruto using Chakra from the other Bijuu?And before you give me that "Naruto is the meeting place and can meet the Bijuu" talk, I need to remind you that BSM Naruto can also do that so until you show me Naruto using the Chakra from the other Bijuu your argument is void.
Except he already dodged it. Nice try though.
I clearly said in my previous comment "he can't do that anymore", Adult Naruto can't do that anymore and has been tagged by people and things much slower than the lightfang.
Why are you using Teen War Arc Naruto's feats when the OP clearly states that we're using Adult Naruto? He has 50% more chakra and has better striking feats than Madara's clones. So if Madara tries that his clones get stomped. Not to mention that he can only use them for a few minutes.
That is a stronger version and no, Adult Naruto+Kurama Chakra does not have have more Chakra than teen Naruto with 50% of Kurama+Chakra from the other Bijuu, Madara limbo clones beaten teen Naruto clones, Adult Naruto clones are easier.
These scans are useless and doesn't actually prove your point.
How are these scans useless, Madara limbo clones beaten the clones of a stronger version of Naruto.
Except he already dodged it. And he'd get speedblitzed before he could do that anyway.
Not getting speedblitzed with Madara limbo clones out there.
Nope. The sun and moon seal was meant for Kaguya, not Madara. It was never stated that the only way to beat him is with with seals. So either we're not reading the same manga or you're simply a liar.
It is ironic that you don't know Madara can only sealed by the sun-moon seal yet say that we're not reading the same manga or that I'm a lyar lol
Madara after absorbing the God Tree gained immortality
Sasuke directly asks Naruto to use that Jutsu that Hagoromo gave them(Six paths Chibaku tensei)
Even Naruto acknowledge that he isn't taking down Madara
Sage Art: Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken ends Madara
Hagoromo was confident Naruto and Sasuke could beat Madara with 1 Rinnegan. Even with a second Rinnegan Madara shouldn’t be massively more powerful than the duo since they were a good deal stronger than Madara with 1 Eye. Like I said before, Naruto was doing pretty good against Kaguya by himself without Sasuke, and Kaguya is a lot stronger than 2 Eyes 10 Tails.
They also didn’t use their full capabilities in their fight with Madara like they did Kaguya.
How do we know Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken won’t mess up Madara’s chakra like it did Kaguya. Madara was technically the 10 Tails Jinchuriki. So logically that should work on him. Add in the massive amount of clones and Naruto wins this.
What about showing me Adult Naruto using Chakra from the other Bijuu?And before you give me that "Naruto is the meeting place and can meet the Bijuu" talk, I need to remind you that BSM Naruto can also do that so until you show me Naruto using the Chakra from the other Bijuu your argument is void.
That's not how the burden of proof works, mate. You're the one claiming that he doesn't have their chakra anymore even when it's been stated multiple times that he's the meeting place of the bijuu. So unless it's stated that he can't use it anymore you have no argument.
I clearly said in my previous comment "he can't do that anymore",
I don't give a shit what you said until you can actually prove it.
Adult Naruto can't do that anymore and has been tagged by people and things much slower than the lightfang.
How does being tagged by god tiers make him any slower?
That is a stronger version and no,
Rubbish. Adult Naruto clearly has better feats especially if we include his feats from the last. Better speed, better durability(for tanking a moon splitter) and better striking feats. Not to mention that we didn't even see Naruto at full power yet.
Adult Naruto+Kurama Chakra does not have have more Chakra than teen Naruto with 50% of Kurama+Chakra from the other Bijuu,
False. 50%>>All the other tailed beasts combined proven by the fact that Bijuu Mode Naruto solo'd 5 Bijuus easily on his own. Now he has both halves in addition to his Six Paths Chakra and he can still gather more chakra from the Bijuu since he's the meeting place of the bijuu.
Madara limbo clones beaten teen Naruto clones, Adult Naruto clones are easier.
Rubbish. You have yet to prove how Teen Naruto is stronger.
How are these scans useless, Madara limbo clones beaten the clones of a stronger version of Naruto.
Again, you have yet to prove this. Adult Naruto has the better feats. I'd like to see you to prove how Teen Naruto>Adult Naruto when the latter has better skill, better striking, much higher durability and more chakra since he has both halves of Kurama.
Not getting speedblitzed with Madara limbo clones out there.
He couldn't even keep up wit Teen Sasuke. Naruto blitzes. End of story.
It is ironic that you don't know Madara can only sealed by the sun-moon seal yet say that we're not reading the same manga or that I'm a lyar lol
Madara after absorbing the God Tree gained immortality
Except it was later revealed that the seal was meant for Kaguya and not Madara. We've already seen that the Bijuu's can simply be extracted and once that is done he has no more immortality.
Sasuke directly asks Naruto to use that Jutsu that Hagoromo gave them(Six paths Chibaku tensei)
No shit. It's still nowhere stated that the only means to beat him is with the sun and moon seal.
Even Naruto acknowledge that he isn't taking down Madara
Nowhere in your scan does it say that Naruto acknowledge that Madara is superior. So thanks for once again showing that you're a liar. Also, Naruto said "I ain't taking ya down" cause he sensed that Sasuke was nearby. It's funny that you omitted what happened directly after that so I'll simply do it for you:
What about showing me Adult Naruto using Chakra from the other Bijuu?And before you give me that "Naruto is the meeting place and can meet the Bijuu" talk, I need to remind you that BSM Naruto can also do that so until you show me Naruto using the Chakra from the other Bijuu your argument is void.
That's not how the burden of proof works, mate. You're the one claiming that he doesn't have their chakra anymore even when it's been stated multiple times that he's the meeting place of the bijuu. So unless it's stated that he can't use it anymore you have no argument.
That is not how it works, you replied to my comment, you claimed that Adult Naruto can use the Chakra of the other Bijuu so I'm asking you to show me Adult Naruto doing that.
I clearly said in my previous comment "he can't do that anymore",
I don't give a shit what you said until you can actually prove it.
Adult Naruto gets tagged by people and attacks much slower than the lightfang, that's it.
Adult Naruto can't do that anymore and has been tagged by people and things much slower than the lightfang.
How does being tagged by god tiers make him any slower?
Because they aren't as fast as the lightfang so why is Naruto having trouble with them, are you going to say that Momoshiki is as fast or faster than the lightfang?
That is a stronger version and no,
Rubbish. Adult Naruto clearly has better feats especially if we include his feats from the last. Better speed, better durability(for tanking a moon splitter) and better striking feats. Not to mention that we didn't even see Naruto at full power yet.
No, he doesn't have better feats, it's the exact opposite, he has plenty of anti-feats like getting stabbed by Shin's sword and Momoshiki sending him flying with a kick.
Adult Naruto+Kurama Chakra does not have have more Chakra than teen Naruto with 50% of Kurama+Chakra from the other Bijuu,
False. 50%>>All the other tailed beasts combined proven by the fact that Bijuu Mode Naruto solo'd 5 Bijuus easily on his own. Now he has both halves in addition to his Six Paths Chakra
Gyuki alone is comparable to half Kurama, Gyuki+7 other Tailed beasts>> Half Kurama
and he can still gather more chakra from the Bijuu since he's the meeting place of the bijuu.
You have yet to show me Adult Naruto using the Chakra of any of the other 8 Bijuu
Madara limbo clones beaten teen Naruto clones, Adult Naruto clones are easier.
Rubbish. You have yet to prove how Teen Naruto is stronger.
Is it that hard to understand? 50% Kurama+8 Bijuu>> 100% Kurama
How are these scans useless, Madara limbo clones beaten the clones of a stronger version of Naruto.
Again, you have yet to prove this. Adult Naruto has the better feats. I'd like to see you to prove how Teen Naruto>Adult Naruto when the latter has better skill,
Debatable
better striking
Bijuudama Rasenshuriken with TSB in them>> Any striking feat for Adult Naruto
much higher durability
Nope, Sasuke states that if Naruto wanted he can blow Momo's attack, so Naruto TBB is stronger than Momoshiki's TBB yet Naruto got knocked off by it.
and more chakra since he has both halves of Kurama.
False, 50% of Kurama+8 Bijuu>> 100% Kurama
Not getting speedblitzed with Madara limbo clones out there.
He couldn't even keep up wit Teen Sasuke. Naruto blitzes. End of story.
That is a weaker version of Madara than the one in OP, and even if Naruto blitzes, what's that gonna do to him?
It is ironic that you don't know Madara can only sealed by the sun-moon seal yet say that we're not reading the same manga or that I'm a lyar lol
Madara after absorbing the God Tree gained immortality
Except it was later revealed that the seal was meant for Kaguya and not Madara.
Dude, you're arguing against scans, Madara has attained immortality, Naruto and Sasuke are on the verge of using the Jutsu Hagoromo gave them then Madara replaces himself with a limbo clone.
We've already seen that the Bijuu's can simply be extracted and once that is done he has no more immortality.
Naruto has never done that and even if you'd want to argue that Naruto could disturb the Bijuu inside of Madara with Rasenshuriken, Madara has already tanked one of those with no Bijuu coming out.
Jutsu that Hagoromo gave them(Six paths Chibaku tensei)
No shit. It's still nowhere stated that the only means to beat him is with the sun and moon seal.
You're trying to argue against the manga lol, Madara has attained immortality with the God tree, Naruto and Sasuke are on the verge of sealing him with Six paths Chibaku tensei yet Madara replaces himself with a limbo clone
Even Naruto acknowledge that he isn't taking down Madara
Nowhere in your scan does it say that Naruto acknowledge that Madara is superior. So thanks for once again showing that you're a liar. Also, Naruto said "I ain't taking ya down" cause he sensed that Sasuke was nearby. It's funny that you omitted what happened directly after that so I'll simply do it for you:
When did I ever say that Naruto acknowledged Madara to be superior to him , dude chill out, you're calling me a liar over something I never said, that is simply retarded.
That is not how it works, you replied to my comment, you claimed that Adult Naruto can use the Chakra of the other Bijuu so I'm asking you to show me Adult Naruto doing that.
Again, you're the one claiming that he doesn't have it so provide a scan stating that he can't use it or your point will be conceded.
Adult Naruto gets tagged by people and attacks much slower than the lightfang, that's it.
And so did Teen Naruto. I don't see what's your point.
Because they aren't as fast as the lightfang so why is Naruto having trouble with them, are you going to say that Momoshiki is as fast or faster than the lightfang?
Strawman fallacy. That's not what i said. Teen Naruto also got tagged by things slower than the lightfang.
No, he doesn't have better feats, it's the exact opposite, he has plenty of anti-feats like getting stabbed by Shin's sword and Momoshiki sending him flying with a kick.
The fact that you bring up that PIS scene as a feat against Naruto is pretty desperate. You've just lost all credibility.
Gyuki alone is comparable to half Kurama, Gyuki+7 other Tailed beasts>> Half Kurama
False. Kurama would stomp Gyuuki. He was having trouble with like 2 bijuu while Naruto manhandled 5 of them. And no, 50%>>>>fragments of 8 Bijuu.
You have yet to show me Adult Naruto using the Chakra of any of the other 8 Bijuu
I'll just quote myself above:
"Again, you're the one claiming that he doesn't have it so provide a scan stating that he can't use it or your point will be conceded."
Is it that hard to understand? 50% Kurama+8 Bijuu>> 100% Kurama
He didn't have 8 bijuu inside him ignoramus. He nly had mere fragments of their chakra. 100% Kurama>>50% + fragments of 8 bijuu
Bijuudama Rasenshuriken with TSB in them>> Any striking feat for Adult Naruto
Are you an idiot? Why are you comparing that attack against his striking? Not to mention that Naruto could potentially still use Bijuu Rasenshurikens.
Nope, Sasuke states that if Naruto wanted he can blow Momo's attack, so Naruto TBB is stronger than Momoshiki's TBB yet Naruto got knocked off by it.
That attack was stated to wipe away all the surrounding lands
and more chakra since he has both halves of Kurama.
False, 50% of Kurama+8 Bijuu>> 100% Kurama
Once again, he only had fragments of their chakra. Or did you forget that all the bijuu was inside Madara at the time since he was the Juubi Jinchuuriki?
That is a weaker version of Madara than the one in OP, and even if Naruto blitzes, what's that gonna do to him?
He only had an extra Rinnegan which means he still has the same stats. And he can seal him with magnet release or beat him to a pulp like Gai did and simply extract the Bijuu.
Dude, you're arguing against scans, Madara has attained immortality, Naruto and Sasuke are on the verge of using the Jutsu Hagoromo gave them then Madara replaces himself with a limbo clone.
I'm not arguing against scans. Hagoromo knew that Kaguya would be released that's why he gave them the sun and moon seals.
Naruto has never done that
Thanks for once again proving you're a liar. This literally happens on panel:
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and even if you'd want to argue that Naruto could disturb the Bijuu inside of Madara with Rasenshuriken, Madara has already tanked one of those with no Bijuu coming out.
He didn't tank anything. If it wasn't for the shinju, he would've been cut in half.
And I was clearly referring to this scene:
You're trying to argue against the manga lol, Madara has attained immortality with the God tree, Naruto and Sasuke are on the verge of sealing him with Six paths Chibaku tensei yet Madara replaces himself with a limbo clone
I'm not arguing against the manga and you're telling me things I already know.
Even Naruto acknowledge that he isn't taking down Madara
When did I ever say that Naruto acknowledged Madara to be superior to him , dude chill out, you're calling me a liar over something I never said, that is simply retarded.
You said this:
"Even Naruto acknowledge that he isn't taking down Madara"
@antonio_1996:Nope you my good sir are wrong while adult Naruto is stronger madara does win and I say this because madara is the strongest taijutsu user and can also use tenketsu to block narutos chakra points also the sun and moon seal was meant for madara Hagaromo was scared that madara would become just like his mother he didn't even know that black zetsu existed until after zetsu had brought kaguya back Madara also I want to say that Kaguya isn't stronger than madara in taijutu but jutsu wise she stomps Adult Naruto and sasuke get stomped by base jigen and jigen s weaker than Fused momo and 3eyed juudara. I also want to add that Madara was only toying around with Naruto and Sasuke during the war arc because after he cast IT he came back down to the surface and said its time to get serious. But if madara didn't have immortality than Naruto would stomp hard
Naruto 2 years after the War was still not even close to Hagoromo's powers and As a matter of fact, Hamura was way more powerful than Naruto as well.
this is a fact.
Adult Naruto, doesn't even have the chakra advantage here...Juubi is massively above Naruto and the 9 tails is able to fight for over 30 days while Naruto can't even come close to that amount to where he can fight for that long. Also, Full Juubi was more powerful than Hagoromo and Hamura, Madara was only missing half of the 9 tails...EMS Madara alone is more powerful than 9 tails itself.
Madara wasn't fighting Naruto and Sasuke serious and when he was going to get serious Zetsu back stabbed him.
at the end Madara surpassed JJ Hagoromo.
Adult naruto hasn't surpassed Base Rinnegan Hagoromo or Hamura.
Madara wins this mid difficulty. He's a combination of Naruto and Sasuke's powers in one being on top of being immortal and possessing the Rinne-Sharingan.
Naruto takes it. Madara isn't Kaguya and doesn't need those Sun and moon seals to be defeated. Nor is Madara at Prime Hagomoro's level. That's just pure wank.
I don't get why people don't understand that adult naruto is trash compared to his younger self. People saying that naruto would have beaten madara by himself are entirely wrong. There's a reason kishimoto himself stated that he had to take madara out of the fight because naruto and sasuke would not have won.
Adult naruto wouldn't even be able to sense limbo anymore since he can't even sense that jigen was shrinking. His stamina is pretty trash and his tactics are also trash. Madara is far more skilled in H2H combat than naruto and that's all that adult naruto relies one
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