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#51  Edited By Haiken

@cooldes Vector is Magnitude/Speed/Direction/Velocity.. A rock can be stopped since it's not always producing force to make itself move.. so yes, it's different form Juggs.. But, if that speed that Juggs have is slowed down to 1mph, then juggs gains momentum again, accel can just slow him down again repeatedly everytime juggs gain momentum.. that's how he can stop him.. besides, I don't think you know about accelerator's awakened state..

It was also hinted that he has the ability to control almost anything in this world..

And someone asked how powerful the God in to aru universe is.. Gabriel(just an angel not God) Can move stars with it's astro hand.. Fiamma of the Right can just defeat anyone he wishes..

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@haiken: two flaws:

Ihave not seen juggernaut stooped. Hulk simply changed his direction if that's what you're talking about.

2) your example cannot be applied to juggernaut because a rock can be stopped and juggernaut can't.

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#53  Edited By security_guard

@Cooldes said:

@haiken: two flaws:

Ihave not seen juggernaut stooped. Hulk simply changed his direction if that's what you're talking about.

2) your example cannot be applied to juggernaut because a rock can be stopped and juggernaut can't.

Two flaws

1) Just because Juggernaut hasn't been stopped doesn't mean he can't be stopped.

2) It doesn't matter how great the force is. All Accelerator does is reverse the direction of vectors.

This is the vector before it touches Accelerator:

----->

This is the vector after it touches Accelerator:

<-----

As you can see, the magnitude of the vector is irrelevant:

--------------------------------------------------->

<---------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->

<------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It doesn't matter if Juggernaut is unstoppable or not.

Accelerator would just turn Juggernaut's unstoppable vector right back at him.

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@Cooldes said:

@haiken: two flaws:

Ihave not seen juggernaut stooped. Hulk simply changed his direction if that's what you're talking about.

2) your example cannot be applied to juggernaut because a rock can be stopped and juggernaut can't.

Two flaws

1) Just because Juggernaut hasn't been stopped doesn't mean he can't be stopped.

2) It doesn't matter how great the force is. All Accelerator does is reverse the direction of vectors.

This is the vector before it touches Accelerator:

----->

This is the vector after it touches Accelerator:

<-----

As you can see, the magnitude of the vector is irrelevant:

--------------------------------------------------->

<---------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->

<------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It doesn't matter if Juggernaut is unstoppable or not.

Accelerator would just turn Juggernaut's unstoppable vector right back at him.

couple flaws

1 it's juggernaut's power to not be stopped... this is powered by cytoraak. I doubt accelerator is more powerful than cytoraak.

2 to make something in motion change to an exactly opposite direction, it has to stop. juggernaut can't do that... get it?

3 "Accelerator would just turn Juggernaut's unstoppable vector right back at him."

how is he gonna turn juggernaut right back at... juggernaut?

4 it does matter how large the force is... when something is infinite. if juggs is producing infinite momentum, then accelerator would hve to infinitely change the vectors... this obviously would take (literally) forever and he'd get pummeled

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#55  Edited By Thekillerklok

Right now I can hear the cries of people screaming at there monitor.

and it feels wonderful.

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@Cooldes said:

@security_guard said:

@Cooldes said:

@haiken: two flaws:

Ihave not seen juggernaut stooped. Hulk simply changed his direction if that's what you're talking about.

2) your example cannot be applied to juggernaut because a rock can be stopped and juggernaut can't.

Two flaws

1) Just because Juggernaut hasn't been stopped doesn't mean he can't be stopped.

2) It doesn't matter how great the force is. All Accelerator does is reverse the direction of vectors.

This is the vector before it touches Accelerator:

----->

This is the vector after it touches Accelerator:

<-----

As you can see, the magnitude of the vector is irrelevant:

--------------------------------------------------->

<---------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->

<------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It doesn't matter if Juggernaut is unstoppable or not.

Accelerator would just turn Juggernaut's unstoppable vector right back at him.

couple flaws

1 it's juggernaut's power to not be stopped... this is powered by cytoraak. I doubt accelerator is more powerful than cytoraak.

2 to make something in motion change to an exactly opposite direction, it has to stop. juggernaut can't do that... get it?

3 "Accelerator would just turn Juggernaut's unstoppable vector right back at him."

how is he gonna turn juggernaut right back at... juggernaut?

4 it does matter how large the force is... when something is infinite. if juggs is producing infinite momentum, then accelerator would hve to infinitely change the vectors... this obviously would take (literally) forever and he'd get pummeled

Four flaws here

1. And it's Accelerator's power to change the direction of any vector. Juggernaut's unstoppable vector goes this way ----> Accelerator makes it go this way <----

2. Nope it doesn't have to stop at all. In fact, the way Accelerator's powers work, vectors don't stop. They get reflected back with the same momentum with zero change whatsoever.

3. Because Accelerator's power is reversing vectors. He does this all of the time when people attack him.

4. No he doesn't. Juggernaut can have infinite momentum, but he will only have one direction. All Accelerator has to do is reverse the direction of a single vector.

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@Cooldes said:

@security_guard said:

@Cooldes said:

@haiken: two flaws:

Ihave not seen juggernaut stooped. Hulk simply changed his direction if that's what you're talking about.

2) your example cannot be applied to juggernaut because a rock can be stopped and juggernaut can't.

Two flaws

1) Just because Juggernaut hasn't been stopped doesn't mean he can't be stopped.

2) It doesn't matter how great the force is. All Accelerator does is reverse the direction of vectors.

This is the vector before it touches Accelerator:

----->

This is the vector after it touches Accelerator:

<-----

As you can see, the magnitude of the vector is irrelevant:

--------------------------------------------------->

<---------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->

<------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It doesn't matter if Juggernaut is unstoppable or not.

Accelerator would just turn Juggernaut's unstoppable vector right back at him.

couple flaws

1 it's juggernaut's power to not be stopped... this is powered by cytoraak. I doubt accelerator is more powerful than cytoraak.

2 to make something in motion change to an exactly opposite direction, it has to stop. juggernaut can't do that... get it?

3 "Accelerator would just turn Juggernaut's unstoppable vector right back at him."

how is he gonna turn juggernaut right back at... juggernaut?

4 it does matter how large the force is... when something is infinite. if juggs is producing infinite momentum, then accelerator would hve to infinitely change the vectors... this obviously would take (literally) forever and he'd get pummeled

Four flaws here

1. And it's Accelerator's power to change the direction of any vector. Juggernaut's unstoppable vector goes this way ----> Accelerator makes it go this way <----

2. Nope it doesn't have to stop at all. In fact, the way Accelerator's powers work, vectors don't stop. They get reflected back with the same momentum with zero change whatsoever.

3. Because Accelerator's power is reversing vectors. He does this all of the time when people attack him.

4. No he doesn't. Juggernaut can have infinite momentum, but he will only have one direction. All Accelerator has to do is reverse the direction of a single vector.

look, we're going to go back and forth forever, but honestly none of this matters, if accelerator could redirect juggernaut's momentum (which he can't) it still would sovle nothing. he would still have to beat juggernaut, who is immune to physical harm. juggernaut has infinite stamina due to being powered by cytoraak. accelerator will tire, he won't.

accelerator can't win. this argument is pointless

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#58  Edited By security_guard

@Cooldes said:

@security_guard said:

@Cooldes said:

@security_guard said:

@Cooldes said:

@haiken: two flaws:

Ihave not seen juggernaut stooped. Hulk simply changed his direction if that's what you're talking about.

2) your example cannot be applied to juggernaut because a rock can be stopped and juggernaut can't.

Two flaws

1) Just because Juggernaut hasn't been stopped doesn't mean he can't be stopped.

2) It doesn't matter how great the force is. All Accelerator does is reverse the direction of vectors.

This is the vector before it touches Accelerator:

----->

This is the vector after it touches Accelerator:

<-----

As you can see, the magnitude of the vector is irrelevant:

--------------------------------------------------->

<---------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->

<------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It doesn't matter if Juggernaut is unstoppable or not.

Accelerator would just turn Juggernaut's unstoppable vector right back at him.

couple flaws

1 it's juggernaut's power to not be stopped... this is powered by cytoraak. I doubt accelerator is more powerful than cytoraak.

2 to make something in motion change to an exactly opposite direction, it has to stop. juggernaut can't do that... get it?

3 "Accelerator would just turn Juggernaut's unstoppable vector right back at him."

how is he gonna turn juggernaut right back at... juggernaut?

4 it does matter how large the force is... when something is infinite. if juggs is producing infinite momentum, then accelerator would hve to infinitely change the vectors... this obviously would take (literally) forever and he'd get pummeled

Four flaws here

1. And it's Accelerator's power to change the direction of any vector. Juggernaut's unstoppable vector goes this way ----> Accelerator makes it go this way <----

2. Nope it doesn't have to stop at all. In fact, the way Accelerator's powers work, vectors don't stop. They get reflected back with the same momentum with zero change whatsoever.

3. Because Accelerator's power is reversing vectors. He does this all of the time when people attack him.

4. No he doesn't. Juggernaut can have infinite momentum, but he will only have one direction. All Accelerator has to do is reverse the direction of a single vector.

look, we're going to go back and forth forever, but honestly none of this matters, if accelerator could redirect juggernaut's momentum (which he can't) it still would sovle nothing. he would still have to beat juggernaut, who is immune to physical harm. juggernaut has infinite stamina due to being powered by cytoraak. accelerator will tire, he won't.

accelerator can't win. this argument is pointless

So I take it you've never heard of Accelerator?

Awakened Accelerator never tires. For all intents and purposes. He has infinite stamina also.

Accelerator could redirect any momentum. You don't understand how it works. If Juggernaut hit Accelerator, it would be like Juggernaut hitting himself.

Accelerator is pretty much immune to physical and magical harm.

Plus Accelerator could reverse the flow of Juggernaut's blood, killing him as fast as he can regenerate.

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#59  Edited By Cooldes

@Cooldes said:

@security_guard said:

@Cooldes said:

@security_guard said:

@Cooldes said:

@haiken: two flaws:

Ihave not seen juggernaut stooped. Hulk simply changed his direction if that's what you're talking about.

2) your example cannot be applied to juggernaut because a rock can be stopped and juggernaut can't.

Two flaws

1) Just because Juggernaut hasn't been stopped doesn't mean he can't be stopped.

2) It doesn't matter how great the force is. All Accelerator does is reverse the direction of vectors.

This is the vector before it touches Accelerator:

----->

This is the vector after it touches Accelerator:

<-----

As you can see, the magnitude of the vector is irrelevant:

--------------------------------------------------->

<---------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->

<------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It doesn't matter if Juggernaut is unstoppable or not.

Accelerator would just turn Juggernaut's unstoppable vector right back at him.

couple flaws

1 it's juggernaut's power to not be stopped... this is powered by cytoraak. I doubt accelerator is more powerful than cytoraak.

2 to make something in motion change to an exactly opposite direction, it has to stop. juggernaut can't do that... get it?

3 "Accelerator would just turn Juggernaut's unstoppable vector right back at him."

how is he gonna turn juggernaut right back at... juggernaut?

4 it does matter how large the force is... when something is infinite. if juggs is producing infinite momentum, then accelerator would hve to infinitely change the vectors... this obviously would take (literally) forever and he'd get pummeled

Four flaws here

1. And it's Accelerator's power to change the direction of any vector. Juggernaut's unstoppable vector goes this way ----> Accelerator makes it go this way <----

2. Nope it doesn't have to stop at all. In fact, the way Accelerator's powers work, vectors don't stop. They get reflected back with the same momentum with zero change whatsoever.

3. Because Accelerator's power is reversing vectors. He does this all of the time when people attack him.

4. No he doesn't. Juggernaut can have infinite momentum, but he will only have one direction. All Accelerator has to do is reverse the direction of a single vector.

look, we're going to go back and forth forever, but honestly none of this matters, if accelerator could redirect juggernaut's momentum (which he can't) it still would sovle nothing. he would still have to beat juggernaut, who is immune to physical harm. juggernaut has infinite stamina due to being powered by cytoraak. accelerator will tire, he won't.

accelerator can't win. this argument is pointless

So I take it you've never heard of Accelerator?

Awakened Accelerator never tires. For all intents and purposes. He has infinite stamina also.

Accelerator could redirect any momentum. You don't understand how it works. If Juggernaut hit Accelerator, it would be like Juggernaut hitting himself.

Accelerator is pretty much immune to physical and magical harm.

Plus Accelerator could reverse the flow of Juggernaut's blood, killing him as fast as he can regenerate.

these are alllies. I know this because I do know of accelerator and I've finished railgun and index.

it has never been stated that he never tires or has unlimited stamina, you are making this up. if not, show proof.

"You don't understand how it works. If Juggernaut hit Accelerator, it would be like Juggernaut hitting himself."

no,Youdon't know how this works. I am a physics student and I can tell you that this literally makes no sense even to a 3 year old. if jugs rushed at him full body and jugs full body was redirected, how could juggs' full body hit himself?

"Accelerator is pretty much immune to physical and magical harm."

yes, this is why some concentration caused him to get shot... and why he was getting smacked around by that doctor guy( idr his name)

lastly, the blood thing sounds cool, but juggernaut does not even need a body to continue going on... so yeah.

P.S. the OP does NOT state accelerator is awakened or has wings or anything like that. please stop making things up

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#60  Edited By security_guard

@Cooldes said:

@security_guard said:

@Cooldes said:

@security_guard said:

@Cooldes said:

@security_guard said:

@Cooldes said:

@haiken: two flaws:

Ihave not seen juggernaut stooped. Hulk simply changed his direction if that's what you're talking about.

2) your example cannot be applied to juggernaut because a rock can be stopped and juggernaut can't.

Two flaws

1) Just because Juggernaut hasn't been stopped doesn't mean he can't be stopped.

2) It doesn't matter how great the force is. All Accelerator does is reverse the direction of vectors.

This is the vector before it touches Accelerator:

----->

This is the vector after it touches Accelerator:

<-----

As you can see, the magnitude of the vector is irrelevant:

--------------------------------------------------->

<---------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->

<------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It doesn't matter if Juggernaut is unstoppable or not.

Accelerator would just turn Juggernaut's unstoppable vector right back at him.

couple flaws

1 it's juggernaut's power to not be stopped... this is powered by cytoraak. I doubt accelerator is more powerful than cytoraak.

2 to make something in motion change to an exactly opposite direction, it has to stop. juggernaut can't do that... get it?

3 "Accelerator would just turn Juggernaut's unstoppable vector right back at him."

how is he gonna turn juggernaut right back at... juggernaut?

4 it does matter how large the force is... when something is infinite. if juggs is producing infinite momentum, then accelerator would hve to infinitely change the vectors... this obviously would take (literally) forever and he'd get pummeled

Four flaws here

1. And it's Accelerator's power to change the direction of any vector. Juggernaut's unstoppable vector goes this way ----> Accelerator makes it go this way <----

2. Nope it doesn't have to stop at all. In fact, the way Accelerator's powers work, vectors don't stop. They get reflected back with the same momentum with zero change whatsoever.

3. Because Accelerator's power is reversing vectors. He does this all of the time when people attack him.

4. No he doesn't. Juggernaut can have infinite momentum, but he will only have one direction. All Accelerator has to do is reverse the direction of a single vector.

look, we're going to go back and forth forever, but honestly none of this matters, if accelerator could redirect juggernaut's momentum (which he can't) it still would sovle nothing. he would still have to beat juggernaut, who is immune to physical harm. juggernaut has infinite stamina due to being powered by cytoraak. accelerator will tire, he won't.

accelerator can't win. this argument is pointless

So I take it you've never heard of Accelerator?

Awakened Accelerator never tires. For all intents and purposes. He has infinite stamina also.

Accelerator could redirect any momentum. You don't understand how it works. If Juggernaut hit Accelerator, it would be like Juggernaut hitting himself.

Accelerator is pretty much immune to physical and magical harm.

Plus Accelerator could reverse the flow of Juggernaut's blood, killing him as fast as he can regenerate.

these are alllies. I know this because I do know of accelerator and I've finished railgun and index.

it has never been stated that he never tires or has unlimited stamina, you are making this up. if not, show proof.

"You don't understand how it works. If Juggernaut hit Accelerator, it would be like Juggernaut hitting himself."

no,Youdon't know how this works. I am a physics student and I can tell you that this literally makes no sense even to a 3 year old. if jugs rushed at him full body and jugs full body was redirected, how could juggs' full body hit himself?

"Accelerator is pretty much immune to physical and magical harm."

yes, this is why some concentration caused him to get shot... and why he was getting smacked around by that doctor guy( idr his name)

lastly, the blood thing sounds cool, but juggernaut does not even need a body to continue going on... so yeah.

P.S. the OP does NOT state accelerator is awakened or has wings or anything like that. please stop making things up

Awakened Accelerator was the two wings he created when he fought Amata. You understand more about it in the light novel.

No you don't understand how Accelerator's powers work. Juggs wold rush at him with full speed, and when he touches Accelerator, he will get hit by himself. Accelerator redirects the entire force right back at Juggs. This is what he does in every fight.

That was before he became awakened. Awakened Accelerator is always doing calculations instantly to redirect all vectors. Amata's trick wouldn't work either because his wings can change calculations instantly.

In a battle forum, we use the most current version. Awakened Accelerator is the most current Accelerator.

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@security_guard:

so instead of providing that proof, you tell me what I already know and make even less sense about someone's entire body hitting itself.

ok

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#64  Edited By Ebitan

Accelerator wins, Jugg has 0 way of hurting Accelerator. Accelerator, on the other hand, will gain a personal yoyo that he can manipulate at will. Juggernaut charges to him with unstoppable momentum?

Easy, just change the direction of the vector towards the Sun, multiply it by 100, then you get Juggernaut ramming himself into the sun with unstoppable momentum. Juggernaut gets up, because of his force shield, enraged, and charges towards Accelerator like a brute. Accelerator yawns, and throws Juggernaut around the battlefield via direction changes of his vector.

Finally, Accelerator gets bored of his YoYo, reverses the direction of Juggernauts own defensive force field inwards, crushing Juggernaut with his own force field when Juggernaut charges using his own unstoppable momentum, that will crush himself with unstoppable momentum.

Accelerator wins this 10/10

Also, bump.

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Juggernaut wins.

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Either Accelerator takes both rounds handily or it's a stalemate

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Accel can steal his opponents vectors to enhance his own attacks lol. He steals everysingle vectors on jugg's rush and returns it back to him x2 lol.

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This all comes down to how Juggs is written. We've seen him lose via incap to Spider-Man, and we've seen him no-sell being burnt to a skeleton.

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Accel can steal his opponents vectors to enhance his own attacks lol. He steals everysingle vectors on jugg's rush and returns it back to him x2 lol.

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There was some Accel wank but yeah he stomps. He could sleep through the entire fight and still be unharmed

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Juggernaut stomps. Accel has never affected Juggernaut level beings with his wanked hax.

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I doubt Accelerator can manipulate Cain's anything when he is charging because of the magic nature of Juggernaut's powers. So in-character he tries to tank the charge and gets promptly ran over.

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Juggernaut wins .

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If this is current Accelerator, then he shitstomps.

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Is there any point having bricks fight Accelerator?

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@giliad_ said:

Is there any point having bricks fight Accelerator?

Back in the days Accelerator fans claimed that he could beat pretty much stomp any comic brick due to the nature of his power. Comic fans couldn't accept this and they started testing him against bricks after bricks. This trend then shifted to Accelerator vs Dragon Ball, because it's basically a brick-verse.

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@lan_fan said:
@giliad_ said:

Is there any point having bricks fight Accelerator?

Back in the days Accelerator fans claimed that he could beat pretty much stomp any comic brick due to the nature of his power. Comic fans couldn't accept this and they started testing him against bricks after bricks. This trend then shifted to Accelerator vs Dragon Ball, because it's basically a brick-verse.

I do agree its a very bad match-up 99% percent of the time

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@tonystark6999: Wut? Wanked hax? Wdym by wanked? U do relazie this dude reflected multiversal aytacks and dimension cutting attacks right?

More like juggernaut is the one who is wanked for the nlf shit like "unstopabble force" in which will do nothing against Accel lol.

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@inflationfetish: How is it magic? Whatever the source of his powers are, when he rushes he has vectors. Any quantity that has magnitude and direction hax vectors. So he is getting blown away.

Also, Accel casually reflects magic now.

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#80  Edited By TonyStark6999
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@tonystark6999: Wut? Wanked hax? Wdym by wanked? U do relazie this dude reflected multiversal aytacks and dimension cutting attacks right?

More like juggernaut is the one who is wanked for the nlf shit like "unstopabble force" in which will do nothing against Accel lol.

You are using upgraded versions of Accel.

Juggernaut stomps his base versions.