Accelerator vs Flash (Wally West)

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Location: Alestiers Windless Building

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Round 1: Basic knowledge, no prep, in character (Accel Wants to steal Wally's powers to better academy City)
Round 2: Basic Knowledge, prep, blood lusted.

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Flash gets negged while in-character and would have to get creative to win round 2

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TimeStop = GG

Alestiers phone = GG

all depends on who is willing to merk the other

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Flash gets negged while in-character and would have to get creative to win round 2

what do you mean by creative?

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@lilbroomstick said:

Flash gets negged while in-character and would have to get creative to win round 2

what do you mean by creative?

Say if Accelerator can reflect his attacks, Flash just keeps absorbing the reflected energy until his punch has enough kinetic energy to be effective

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@the_metabee said:
@lilbroomstick said:

Flash gets negged while in-character and would have to get creative to win round 2

what do you mean by creative?

Say if Accelerator can reflect his attacks, Flash just keeps absorbing the reflected energy until his punch has enough kinetic energy to be effective

that wouldnt be effective, its timestop and hit and run to survive, or else Accel rips his soul out, or he warps reality/create new laws that put flash at a disadvantage or just take wally to the kabbalah and make him die from mental madness.

Also!

With Anti Magic god weapons at his side, (And Metaphysical spears) he can stop regen and kill wally before he even tries to run.

All this, if wally doesnt use timestop.

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@quandaledingle: When could Flash "timestop"?

i was under the impression he could, but if he cant, @the_metabee has created one of the biggest mismatches (and accel can now passively solo from just standing)

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@lilbroomstick said:

@quandaledingle: When could Flash "timestop"?

i was under the impression he could, but if he cant, @the_metabee has created one of the biggest mismatches (and accel can now passively solo from just standing)

To be fair, he has been "faster than time"

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@quandaledingle said:
@lilbroomstick said:

@quandaledingle: When could Flash "timestop"?

i was under the impression he could, but if he cant, @the_metabee has created one of the biggest mismatches (and accel can now passively solo from just standing)

To be fair, he has been "faster than time"

qualfies for infinite speed, but without immeasurable to incacuable speed cardinals, accel is slapping wally west and calling it a day (hell, maybe even steal his powers with clonoth or make wally his bitch like puzzle)

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In character wally probably kills himself on accident running towards accelerator

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seems like i made a mismatch, should i change characters to make it fair? (i mainly made this thread because lilbroom hyped the flash up)

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#14  Edited By quandaledingle
@the_metabee said:

seems like i made a mismatch, should i change characters to make it fair? (i mainly made this thread because lilbroom hyped the flash up)

without the assumed time stop (from me quandle dingle), wally is dying 10/10 times. you shouldn't even change the characters just delete this embarrassment of a mismatch. (though, id wait a bit to see people who have better knowledge on wally)

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@the_metabee: There are multiple threads of this fight, people have had pretty lengthy arguments on it.

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#16  Edited By Lilbroomstick
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@the_metabee: There are multiple threads of this fight, people have had pretty lengthy arguments on it.

Can you send links of such arguments (On CV)

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#19  Edited By Lilbroomstick
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@lilbroomstick said:

@quandaledingle: What if Accelerator got dumped into the speedforce?

and how is that supposed to happen?

IIRC he doesn't have to touch him for that but I could be wrong.

I also just thought of Flash time traveling to beat Accelerator here.

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Flash slaps him. This is the dude that travelled from the edge of the universe to earth faster than instant teleportation. He blitzes faster than accel can think

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@quandaledingle said:
@lilbroomstick said:

@quandaledingle: What if Accelerator got dumped into the speedforce?

and how is that supposed to happen?

IIRC he doesn't have to touch him for that but I could be wrong.

I also just thought of Flash time traveling to beat Accelerator here.

Accel can resist teleportation on more scientific notions (which the speed force is) up to the 11th dimension.

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Wally KO himself

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Wally slaps.

Even if he loses R1(i still don't see it), a blood lusted wally west with prep time in R2? Pu-lease.

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@heatforce: you gotta actually make a case for how Wally might be able to win or you’re just hope everyone believes you?

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Any feats for Flash that allow him to bypass vector manipulation, as his movements all create vectors?

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@heatforce: so flash doesnt create vectors when moving? Seems legit and entirely believable with 0 evidence whatsoever

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#31  Edited By Krasny

@ecoblitz: Wally going all out wins. Not only can he stop time he can use Johnny quicks formula that was strong enough to stop time and effect the darkest knight. He has a cosmic level spidy sense. And has moved faster than any one has ever moved before in dc comics in the Flash Foward run. Which includes his instant teleportation feat and a sun dipped superman going so fast he flies beyond physics, beyond imagination. The fact that he runs faster than the concept of the speed force itself one of the seven energies of the multiverse and what gives the DC multiverse motion itself and whats pushes space and time foward, created from the source. Idk how this isn't a stomp.

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so can he timestop or not?

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#33  Edited By Krasny

@quandaledingle: Yes

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Not that should matter he went beyond time with the speed force feat.

Also Accelerator has never faced anyone on Flashes level of speed compared to the opponents Flash faced. Resume wise it isn't close either.

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@krasny said:

@quandaledingle: Yes

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Not that should matter he went beyond time with the speed force feat.

Also Accelerator has never faced anyone on Flashes level of speed compared to the opponents Flash faced. Resume wise it isn't close either.

Timestop is actually Accels weakness.

The speed can arguably be dealt with superior vector feats

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#36  Edited By quandaledingle
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@quandaledingle: And what is his best vector feats?

His reflection can reach up to the 11th dimension.

he also reflected an attack that was equal to othinus spear throw that "destroyed" multiple phases (universes) and that attack had infinite speed. (said attack was also going to destroy all of toarus concepts AKA its kabbalah, which includes Gods hierarchy; IE magic gods, angels, and more).

so multiversal in-universe, ranging from infinite speed to immeasurable speed. (which is above negative cardinals)

He's also an abyss crosser and a reality warper.

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@quandaledingle: Do you have a source for that. Just googling respect threads and i only seen he's planetary to solar system at best. And if that's his best feat the Speed Force is much superior and Flash has multiple feats of it.

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@krasny said:

@quandaledingle: Do you have a source for that. Just googling respect threads and i only seen he's planetary to solar system at best. And if that's his best feat the Speed Force is much superior and Flash has multiple feats of it.

ill try to find the light novel quotes, but yes, hes below planetary without his vector manipulation and is street level.

But this scaling comes from othinus vs Touma and later coronzons flaming sword.

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Here is Othinus after destroying the Universe and the walls of phases (Multiversal In Verse)
Here is Othinus after destroying the Universe and the walls of phases (Multiversal In Verse)

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#40  Edited By Krasny

@quandaledingle: So both have powers that have Multiversal destruction capabilities. Although DC universes are much larger than are own and i don't know the size of this verses universes. But besides that. Wally has timestop but again speed is much superior. Sun dipped Superman going faster than imagination itself(which in the dc is the 5th dimension) and can be felt in every dimension. And Mxy or any 5th dimension imp> the entire Magic verse. Traveling multiple dimensions to reach the world forger and knock him out, Wally goes beyond that.

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And it isn't the first time Superman travels different dimensions even un amped.

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@krasny: so wally west is 6 dimensional with infinite speed and timestop?

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>in character

99% of western comic book characters are fucking dumb cause the authors write them that way, Wally jobs like he does all the time

blood lusted he might stand a chance if he gets creative like @quandaledingle said, but i'll give Accel the benefit of the doubt cause he's way more impressive

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

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Not familiar with accelerator. But I know weeb bullshit is a thing. So probably him.

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#44  Edited By nahidarespecter

i don't think wally west can move without vectors

accel wins for the majority

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Isn't wally so fast he out ran dr.manhanttans reality warping. I say he wins.

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@quandaledingle: Wally has out run his immeasurable reality manipulation based power source before, Wally is faster than literally infinite speed and immeasurable reality bending hax, plus Wally is too fast to be calculated by Accelerator and too hax to be measured to dimensional layers, Wally is scaled beyond dimensions BTW. Accelerator dies in a FLASH!!!!

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Can I ask a genuine question?

Why Accelerator?

Like, he's not even in the top 15 of toaru, and he is barely in the top 20???