Aang is still faster than spiderman. And just cuz he can only air bend doesn't mean he won't go into avatar state. But if spiderman gets one punch on aang.....its a wrap
There's a pretty big difference in elemental lightning and lightning that takes a full second of windup and has a giant glowing blue tell before it fires, too.
There's nothing to stop Aang from creating a giant wave of air. He can create it large enough and wide enough that it'd be hard for even Spidey to dodge. He's also a skilled martial artists since all the bending arts are martial arts styles. Aang could litterally keep Peter in the air and bash on him all day if he wanted. His webbing would get thrown around in strong enough winds and he'd not be able to do much more then roll around in a hurricane until Aang dropped him. That said. Spidey takes this more. Aang, despite his potential, doesn't have the killer fighter and is more likely to be playful and light hearted as that is his nature and if he isn't serious, Spidey's liable to put him down before he has the chance to get serious.
Aang, outside of avatar state, has never used a blast of air that would even phase Spidey's durability. Like I said, he needs Avatar State, even if it's just avatar state airbending power, to reasonably compete with Spidey.
@PrinceAragorn1: Would you like to explain this difference?
And yes I'll try and get you some, just give me a bit.
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In the first scan Spidey dodges lightning at close range in tight quarters.
In the third one he is dodging lightning without his spider sense and while still shaking off a mental attack from the Psycho Man.
The difference is, lightening elemental attacks are far slower, such as chidori etc.. while dodging/redirecting direct/actual lightening is on a whole different level..
@PrinceAragorn1: Would you like to explain this difference?
And yes I'll try and get you some, just give me a bit.
Gallery
In the first scan Spidey dodges lightning at close range in tight quarters.
In the third one he is dodging lightning without his spider sense and while still shaking off a mental attack from the Psycho Man.
The difference is, lightening elemental attacks are far slower, such as chidori etc.. while dodging/redirecting direct/actual lightening is on a whole different level..
Firebender lightning fires pretty similarly to Electro's lightning, they just shoot it out of their hands. Heck, Benders have to wind up to do it. I don't see the difference in the dodging feat, I still question your supposition that Aang actively dodges the lightning and isn't just aim dodging because Firebenders literally take a couple of seconds have a big lightning glow party before they fire it, giving extremely ample warning. The only time I could see you make a case for actual in air response to lightning is when Zuko jumped in front of Katara, but even then he noticed her lock eyes with Katara then move her hands to fire.
@PrinceAragorn1: Would you like to explain this difference?
And yes I'll try and get you some, just give me a bit.
Gallery
In the first scan Spidey dodges lightning at close range in tight quarters.
In the third one he is dodging lightning without his spider sense and while still shaking off a mental attack from the Psycho Man.
The difference is, lightening elemental attacks are far slower, such as chidori etc.. while dodging/redirecting direct/actual lightening is on a whole different level..
Firebender lightning fires pretty similarly to Electro's lightning, they just shoot it out of their hands. Heck, Benders have to wind up to do it. I don't see the difference in the dodging feat, I still question your supposition that Aang actively dodges the lightning and isn't just aim dodging because Firebenders literally take a couple of seconds have a big lightning glow party before they fire it, giving extremely ample warning. The only time I could see you make a case for actual in air response to lightning is when Zuko jumped in front of Katara, but even then he noticed her lock eyes with Katara then move her hands to fire.
Not just active dodging, they have been redirecting it around since ages. And considering the speed of lighting, a warning doesn't really help much. You've to be fast enough to redirect it anyway..
I'm pretty sure redirection just draws the lightning toward your fingers (as a firebender and whatnot) and then you control the energy once it's inside of you. Everytime we see someone lightning redirect they spend like a few seconds sitting there processing it after they catch it before refiring.
I'm pretty sure redirection just draws the lightning toward your fingers (as a firebender and whatnot) and then you control the energy once it's inside of you. Everytime we see someone lightning redirect they spend like a few seconds sitting there processing it after they catch it before refiring.
Nah, ozai did in an instant..
@UltimateHero0406 said:
If Aang can make it into the AS, he should win. But if Spidey can manage to web him up before than, Aang is done.
Not exactly.. He can break out of bounds by airbending, right? (first encounter with kyoshi, or whatever warriors)..
I'm pretty sure redirection just draws the lightning toward your fingers (as a firebender and whatnot) and then you control the energy once it's inside of you. Everytime we see someone lightning redirect they spend like a few seconds sitting there processing it after they catch it before refiring.
Nah, ozai did in an instant..
Not exactly.. He can break out of bounds by airbending, right? (first encounter with kyoshi, or whatever warriors)..
Nothing Ozai ever did qualified as an instant, even if he streamlined the circular motion you HAVE to do to shoot lightning
Spidey's webbing has extreme tensile strength, much more powerful than anything that has ever existed in avatar verse.
@Rumble Man said:
Spiderman stomps
Lightning in avatar (or lightningbend) works alike to the description of 'blasters' in SW
Is it real electricity as supposed to how ours work in real life or 'magic' lightning?
It is real lightning/electricity. You can practice lightning redirection by redirecting real lightning from the sky (though it is very dangerous). It was also used to power electric grids in Republic City during Korra, so it's about as real electricity as it gets.
I'm pretty sure redirection just draws the lightning toward your fingers (as a firebender and whatnot) and then you control the energy once it's inside of you. Everytime we see someone lightning redirect they spend like a few seconds sitting there processing it after they catch it before refiring.
Nah, ozai did in an instant..
When did Ozai redirect lightning? I know Zuko and Iroh have.
You can practice lightning redirection by redirecting real lightning from the sky (though it is very dangerous)
da*** did I just read O_o
You asked if lightning bending in the avatarverse was actual lightning/electricity or just magic lightning which isn't necessarily as fast/powerful. I confirmed that the bending they're doing is 100% electricity/lightning as they can control actual lightning that occurs in nature and use it to power electronic devices (like a city's power grid). I didn't think my wording was that hard to understand.
@Dredeuced: Nobody has a molten teeth or insta-death from a lightningbend attack
Yeah, it's a kid's cartoon. The only person who actually ever got hit by lightning (Aang) effectively died from it before being brought back with magic water. That's about as gruesome as it's going to get in a kid's show.
Also, it may very well be that the lightning that Benders create from their own person doesn't have the same power as natural lightning, it's just that Benders ARE capable of controlling natural lightning with their abilities, so there's no reason to think lightning bending is any slower than actual electricity.
Spider Man in a stomp, Aang's competing with not just comic book level reflexes but a comic book character known for their incredible reflexes along with incredible durability.
It is, lightning travels at an instant. In Avatar, you can 'see' the lightning move from the bender to the target.
Lightning is not instant, just incredibly fast. Nothing is actually instant. You can "see" things move at lightspeed in comics and cartoons all the time, it's silly to apply contrary logic to Avatar.
That said, I was one of the ones arguing that Avatar characters do not have lightning level reaction times. I'm not sure who you're trying to convince.
@Dredeuced: Magic lightning, just like 'lasers' in star wars
It's magic to a degree, I mean people can't ACTUALLY shoot fire out of their hands and juggle lightning in their stomachs, but it was clearly stated in universe that you can lightning bend natural lightning that occurs in nature. I don't know what more you want, there's no need to be obstinate about this because it says absolutely nothing about their actual reaction speeds for reasons I already stated.
@Dredeuced: speed calcs are neccesary unless people want to claim that amon is a lightining-timer
Lightning/electricity in Avatar verse does not move as fast as lightning/electricity in ours
Yes it does. Amon is aim dodging. Like I said, if you would just freaking read, lightning benders have to go through a specific series of circular motions that give off lightning effects, which you can easily time and dodge when they move their arm to fire it at you. It's like how people who don't actually have the reaction speed to dodge bullets can dodge where a guy is aiming at in comics.
You can clearly see when Zolt juts his arm out to fire it, Amon is capable of dodging that, and then disabling as he's locked in his stance. Just because you can see the effect of the electricity moving doesn't make it not electricity. As I said, in comics and other cartoons we see much faster things move because animators want you to see what's happening. Don't be obtuse about it.
I'm pretty sure redirection just draws the lightning toward your fingers (as a firebender and whatnot) and then you control the energy once it's inside of you. Everytime we see someone lightning redirect they spend like a few seconds sitting there processing it after they catch it before refiring.
Nah, ozai did in an instant..
Ozai never redirected lightning and the only time he arguably instantly fired it was under the influence of the comet, besides Spidey dodges Electro's lightning on the regular, attacks that don't have a huge 'tell' beforehand
@UltimateHero0406 said:
If Aang can make it into the AS, he should win. But if Spidey can manage to web him up before than, Aang is done.
Not exactly.. He can break out of bounds by airbending, right? (first encounter with kyoshi, or whatever warriors)..
No way Aang has the strength to break out of Spidey's webbing and it's gonna be hard to airbend if he's in a web cocoon and or hogtied.
Spidey should win this cleanly; Nothing Aang is capable of doing with just airbending is gonna stop him; I believe Aang doesn't have the speed to take on Spidey, to make up for that deficiency he needs the extra power of the Avatar State or this is a mismatch imo.
@Rumble Man: I brought that up, that's the only time you can state that it might not be aim dodging. If that's the case then Avatar characters have lightning+ level speed. But the VAST amount of other showings of lightning bending prove otherwise. At most it's a bit of PIS for dramatic intent.
@Dredeuced: Nope, it is slower than normal and they don't have lightning time since they cap at peak human. The fact that amon dodges it every now and then shows.
@Dredeuced: Nope, it is slower than normal and they don't have lightning time since they cap at peak human. The fact that amon dodges it every now and then shows.
Even the effects of lightning isn't that damaging
Lol avatar verse is not capped at Peak Human. Aang runs like 300 miles per hour for giggles.
Like I said, there's no reason to think it doesn't work exactly like electricity because 1: They use it to power electric power plants and 2: They can use it to bend actual, real lightning. If you snatch some lightning out of the sky and shoot it out your other hand then that's some damn lightning. Shouldn't dwell on animation effects so much just because it doesn't "look" as fast as it would in the real world.
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