Aang Vs Crystal

Takes place on a beach
 
Aang can't go into Avatar state.
 
Morals are on
 
No bfr
 
Win by KO
 

I'll go with Aang. I actually think he'll embarrass Crystal a few times by knocking her over with gusts of wind before knocking her out with martial arts. He can win through sheer speed, agility and fighting ability.

Aang

Aang

I can see this going either way but I'm leaning more to Crystal she's slighty more versatile thanAang which gives her an edge....

I can see this going either way but I'm leaning more to Crystal she's slighty more versatile thanAang which gives her an edge....

@Roddy010 said:

I can see this going either way but I'm leaning more to Crystal she's slighty more versatile thanAang which gives her an edge....

That and she's shown to manipulate elements without all the unique movements Avatar benders have to do.

@Roddy010 said:

I can see this going either way but I'm leaning more to Crystal she's slighty more versatile thanAang which gives her an edge....

That and she's shown to manipulate elements without all the unique movements Avatar benders have to do.

@Charmix said:

@Roddy010 said:

I can see this going either way but I'm leaning more to Crystal she's slighty more versatile thanAang which gives her an edge....

That and she's shown to manipulate elements without all the unique movements Avatar benders have to do.

Exactly this is why I have problems with Aang vs  threads if someone can generate an attack before he can then he loses...

BUMP

Crystal would beat Aang if he can't go into the avatar state IMO. He does not have an attack that she can't counter, she is more powerful( he would need the avatar state to beat her), can execute her powers faster and has greater vesatility with her powers. She can KO him with seismic energy beams,use earthquakes to keep him off balance, can generate low level tornado force winds (115 mphs per the handbook which I believe is F2) which is still more powerful than what Aang has shown, can create earth and fire constructs to fight Aang (though that comes with a risk), and can fly so he won't be ableto get close to her to take out with his h2h skills.

She's also been shown to create lightning or something like that.

                    She's also been shown to create lightning or something like that.

                   

               

@Charmix said:

                    She's also been shown to create lightning or something like that.

                   

               

Hmmm... I have never seen her create lightning but I do know that she can manipulate electrical forces, including lightning, once the source exists. I recall her intensifying the voltage of electricity to fry the Super Adaptoid once he was already being electrocuted, and redirecting a lightning bolt once Thunderstrike summoned it, but she hasn't done it on her own to my knowledge.  

@Charmix said:

@Roddy010 said:

I can see this going either way but I'm leaning more to Crystal she's slighty more versatile thanAang which gives her an edge....

That and she's shown to manipulate elements without all the unique movements Avatar benders have to do.

Exactly this is why I have problems with Aang vs  threads if someone can generate an attack before he can then he loses...

Aang doesn't have to make movements to use abilities, what do you call fire breathing or running as fast as wind or even blowing wind out of his mouth without moving his body?

i'm not saying they would be useful, i'm just stating that not all of his powers require movements.

@Roddy010 said:

@Charmix said:

@Roddy010 said:

I can see this going either way but I'm leaning more to Crystal she's slighty more versatile thanAang which gives her an edge....

That and she's shown to manipulate elements without all the unique movements Avatar benders have to do.

Exactly this is why I have problems with Aang vs  threads if someone can generate an attack before he can then he loses...

Only issue I have with Crystal is that you'll notice it actually takes her time to manipulate the elements. She has to concentrate, so it really isn't the speed of thought - more like a few moments for her to make something happen. The scans above demonstrate this - in one she had to raise her hands and make lightning flash, and in another she needed assistance to set up the necessary conditions to manipulate lightning. Those are actually pretty consistent - making lightning flash is different from calling lightning to strike a target, and she doesn't seem to have Storm's ability in that regard so we can say that her ability to manipulate the elements depends on where she is and how much strain she's under. She generally just sticks to the four classic elements because her powers are a bit limited. Aang can produce the same effects she can more consistently and without additional help and we've seen him create powerful effects with minimal concentration. And we've seen Aang create multiple effects very quickly, so even if he is gesturing, this does not necessarily mean his powers are slower to come into effect, especially since Crystal can't really be said to have a speed advantage here.

i'm not saying they would be useful, i'm just stating that not all of his powers require movements.

@PhoenixoftheTides said:

@Roddy010 said:

@Charmix said:

@Roddy010 said:

I can see this going either way but I'm leaning more to Crystal she's slighty more versatile thanAang which gives her an edge....

That and she's shown to manipulate elements without all the unique movements Avatar benders have to do.

Exactly this is why I have problems with Aang vs  threads if someone can generate an attack before he can then he loses...

Only issue I have with Crystal is that you'll notice it actually takes her time to manipulate the elements. She has to concentrate, so it really isn't the speed of thought - more like a few moments for her to make something happen. The scans above demonstrate this - in one she had to raise her hands and make lightning flash, and in another she needed assistance to set up the necessary conditions to manipulate lightning. Those are actually pretty consistent - making lightning flash is different from calling lightning to strike a target, and she doesn't seem to have Storm's ability in that regard so we can say that her ability to manipulate the elements depends on where she is and how much strain she's under. She generally just sticks to the four classic elements because her powers are a bit limited. Aang can produce the same effects she can more consistently and without additional help and we've seen him create powerful effects with minimal concentration. And we've seen Aang create multiple effects very quickly, so even if he is gesturing, this does not necessarily mean his powers are slower to come into effect, especially since Crystal can't really be said to have a speed advantage here.

She has manipulated the elements pretty quick, quick enough to save herself and quicksilver from an explosion. Her using her hands to use her powers is an exaggeration to depict her using her powers, same could be said for Jean who uses telekinesis or Invisible Woman creating a invisible projection. Of course every one needs concentration little or more to use power, so pointing it out doesn't help. In a way her powers and Avatar's benders are the same, they need their material present, minus the exception of fire and air benders. She has manipulated fire in a complex fashion to ensnare Medusa, created a rock construct of the Thing and Black Bolt, suck air out of a Skrull's lung, create rain, and halt the pressure of water. All shown at fairly quick speed. But Aang requires movement to bend, while Crystal does not. But this may go either way, but I'm leaning towards Crystal more.

@Roddy010 said:

@Charmix said:

@Roddy010 said:

I can see this going either way but I'm leaning more to Crystal she's slighty more versatile thanAang which gives her an edge....

That and she's shown to manipulate elements without all the unique movements Avatar benders have to do.

Exactly this is why I have problems with Aang vs  threads if someone can generate an attack before he can then he loses...

Or if they manage to restrict his body movement. Kinda leaning towards Crystal on this.

1. Bumi's face was  still exposed which is how he was still able to Earthbend had that not been the case he would  hvae still been trapped...
2. Crystal  can counter anything Aang can through at her as well...
3. Aang can't make lightning he can only  redirect it to a degree...The only  people who made lightning in the Avatar Universe  were Iroh, Ozai and Azula...
4. Aang can not blood bend...The only two people who blood bended in the Avatar Universe were Hama and Katara...The only way  to do this is under a full moon...
5. A full  powered  Avatar will put up a good fight but Crystal versatility will  help her in this match...

@Charmix said:

@Roddy010 said:

@Charmix said:

@Roddy010 said:

I can see this going either way but I'm leaning more to Crystal she's slighty more versatile thanAang which gives her an edge....

That and she's shown to manipulate elements without all the unique movements Avatar benders have to do.

Exactly this is why I have problems with Aang vs  threads if someone can generate an attack before he can then he loses...

Or if they manage to restrict his body movement. Kinda leaning towards Crystal on this.

 Can't Aang's friend, Bumi, earthbend even in a restricted metal? So, why can't Aang if he is the greatest bender of all benders even the previous avatars since he will inherit their skills. And, Aang can also counter what Crystal throws at him. Will it be an explosion, he can curl up the ground over him. Or water slash, he can freeze it. Throws him gust, he can dodge it or also used one too. He can also use Lightning, not as fast as Ozai though. And what can she do with blood bending? Given the battle at day, what can she do against full powered Avatar state Aang more?

 
@Sissel:  

1. Bumi's face was  still exposed which is how he was still able to Earthbend had that not been the case he would  hvae still been trapped...
2. Crystal  can counter anything Aang can through at her as well...
3. Aang can't make lightning he can only  redirect it to a degree...The only  people who made lightning in the Avatar Universe  were Iroh, Ozai and Azula...
4. Aang can not blood bend...The only two people who blood bended in the Avatar Universe were Hama and Katara...The only way  to do this is under a full moon...
5. A full  powered  Avatar will put up a good fight but Crystal versatility will  help her in this match...

@Charmix said:

@PhoenixoftheTides said:

@Roddy010 said:

@Charmix said:

@Roddy010 said:

I can see this going either way but I'm leaning more to Crystal she's slighty more versatile thanAang which gives her an edge....

That and she's shown to manipulate elements without all the unique movements Avatar benders have to do.

Exactly this is why I have problems with Aang vs  threads if someone can generate an attack before he can then he loses...

Only issue I have with Crystal is that you'll notice it actually takes her time to manipulate the elements. She has to concentrate, so it really isn't the speed of thought - more like a few moments for her to make something happen. The scans above demonstrate this - in one she had to raise her hands and make lightning flash, and in another she needed assistance to set up the necessary conditions to manipulate lightning. Those are actually pretty consistent - making lightning flash is different from calling lightning to strike a target, and she doesn't seem to have Storm's ability in that regard so we can say that her ability to manipulate the elements depends on where she is and how much strain she's under. She generally just sticks to the four classic elements because her powers are a bit limited. Aang can produce the same effects she can more consistently and without additional help and we've seen him create powerful effects with minimal concentration. And we've seen Aang create multiple effects very quickly, so even if he is gesturing, this does not necessarily mean his powers are slower to come into effect, especially since Crystal can't really be said to have a speed advantage here.

She has manipulated the elements pretty quick, quick enough to save herself and quicksilver from an explosion. Her using her hands to use her powers is an exaggeration to depict her using her powers, same could be said for Jean who uses telekinesis or Invisible Woman creating a invisible projection. Of course every one needs concentration little or more to use power, so pointing it out doesn't help. In a way her powers and Avatar's benders are the same, they need their material present, minus the exception of fire and air benders. She has manipulated fire in a complex fashion to ensnare Medusa, created a rock construct of the Thing and Black Bolt, suck air out of a Skrull's lung, create rain, and halt the pressure of water. All shown at fairly quick speed. But Aang requires movement to bend, while Crystal does not. But this may go either way, but I'm leaning towards Crystal more.

Agreed on the similarity between Benders and Crystal. I'm leaning more towards Aang because of his increased physical speed, agility and overall combat competence. I'm not sure if Crystal would even be able to tag such a quick moving target. I see your point but considering that Aang has countered fireblasts, saved himself from falling and quickly erected walls of earth to defend himself against attacks, I'd say it is pretty hard to really say either's powers are that much faster. And certain methods of Bending, aren't that reliant on movements - for example, when Aang flies using his kite, he doesn't gesture at all. He unfurls it and literally it seems as if he uses only his mind to find air currents. And he's pretty fast with Bending - we've seen him do more complex things than Crystal in only a moment - he's taken out many enemies with one type of Bending, switching to another to take out another enemy, using martial arts to dodge and avoid, while counterattacking with Air, etc. so he seems more like what Crystal would be if she was combined with Iron Fist. But if you are leaning towards Crystal, that's fair enough :).

@Sissel said:

@Charmix said:

@Roddy010 said:

@Charmix said:

@Roddy010 said:

I can see this going either way but I'm leaning more to Crystal she's slighty more versatile thanAang which gives her an edge....

That and she's shown to manipulate elements without all the unique movements Avatar benders have to do.

Exactly this is why I have problems with Aang vs  threads if someone can generate an attack before he can then he loses...

Or if they manage to restrict his body movement. Kinda leaning towards Crystal on this.

 Can't Aang's friend, Bumi, earthbend even in a restricted metal? So, why can't Aang if he is the greatest bender of all benders even the previous avatars since he will inherit their skills. And, Aang can also counter what Crystal throws at him. Will it be an explosion, he can curl up the ground over him. Or water slash, he can freeze it. Throws him gust, he can dodge it or also used one too. He can also use Lightning, not as fast as Ozai though. And what can she do with blood bending? Given the battle at day, what can she do against full powered Avatar state Aang more?

@Roddy010 said:   

 
@Sissel:  

1. Bumi's face was  still exposed which is how he was still able to Earthbend had that not been the case he would  hvae still been trapped...
2. Crystal  can counter anything Aang can through at her as well...
3. Aang can't make lightning he can only  redirect it to a degree...The only  people who made lightning in the Avatar Universe  were Iroh, Ozai and Azula...
4. Aang can not blood bend...The only two people who blood bended in the Avatar Universe were Hama and Katara...The only way  to do this is under a full moon...
5. A full  powered  Avatar will put up a good fight but Crystal versatility will  help her in this match...

theres the answer done. Thanks for saving me the time lol =] 
@PhoenixoftheTides said:

@Charmix said:

@PhoenixoftheTides said:

@Roddy010 said:

@Charmix said:

@Roddy010 said:

I can see this going either way but I'm leaning more to Crystal she's slighty more versatile thanAang which gives her an edge....

That and she's shown to manipulate elements without all the unique movements Avatar benders have to do.

Exactly this is why I have problems with Aang vs  threads if someone can generate an attack before he can then he loses...

Only issue I have with Crystal is that you'll notice it actually takes her time to manipulate the elements. She has to concentrate, so it really isn't the speed of thought - more like a few moments for her to make something happen. The scans above demonstrate this - in one she had to raise her hands and make lightning flash, and in another she needed assistance to set up the necessary conditions to manipulate lightning. Those are actually pretty consistent - making lightning flash is different from calling lightning to strike a target, and she doesn't seem to have Storm's ability in that regard so we can say that her ability to manipulate the elements depends on where she is and how much strain she's under. She generally just sticks to the four classic elements because her powers are a bit limited. Aang can produce the same effects she can more consistently and without additional help and we've seen him create powerful effects with minimal concentration. And we've seen Aang create multiple effects very quickly, so even if he is gesturing, this does not necessarily mean his powers are slower to come into effect, especially since Crystal can't really be said to have a speed advantage here.

She has manipulated the elements pretty quick, quick enough to save herself and quicksilver from an explosion. Her using her hands to use her powers is an exaggeration to depict her using her powers, same could be said for Jean who uses telekinesis or Invisible Woman creating a invisible projection. Of course every one needs concentration little or more to use power, so pointing it out doesn't help. In a way her powers and Avatar's benders are the same, they need their material present, minus the exception of fire and air benders. She has manipulated fire in a complex fashion to ensnare Medusa, created a rock construct of the Thing and Black Bolt, suck air out of a Skrull's lung, create rain, and halt the pressure of water. All shown at fairly quick speed. But Aang requires movement to bend, while Crystal does not. But this may go either way, but I'm leaning towards Crystal more.

Agreed on the similarity between Benders and Crystal. I'm leaning more towards Aang because of his increased physical speed, agility and overall combat competence. I'm not sure if Crystal would even be able to tag such a quick moving target. I see your point but considering that Aang has countered fireblasts, saved himself from falling and quickly erected walls of earth to defend himself against attacks, I'd say it is pretty hard to really say either's powers are that much faster. And certain methods of Bending, aren't that reliant on movements - for example, when Aang flies using his kite, he doesn't gesture at all. He unfurls it and literally it seems as if he uses only his mind to find air currents. And he's pretty fast with Bending - we've seen him do more complex things than Crystal in only a moment - he's taken out many enemies with one type of Bending, switching to another to take out another enemy, using martial arts to dodge and avoid, while counterattacking with Air, etc. so he seems more like what Crystal would be if she was combined with Iron Fist. But if you are leaning towards Crystal, that's fair enough :).

But see, he needs his kite in order to fly, while Crystal does not. Most of Aang's method in using his power requires something to do so, like you said he flies by using his kite, while Crystal can psionically manipulate wind to move her around. By complex I meant like creating sculptures out of the elements :o lol. Fair is fair =] 

@Sissel:  

1. Bumi's face was  still exposed which is how he was still able to Earthbend had that not been the case he would  hvae still been trapped...
2. Crystal  can counter anything Aang can through at her as well...
3. Aang can't make lightning he can only  redirect it to a degree...The only  people who made lightning in the Avatar Universe  were Iroh, Ozai and Azula...
4. Aang can not blood bend...The only two people who blood bended in the Avatar Universe were Hama and Katara...The only way  to do this is under a full moon...
5. A full  powered  Avatar will put up a good fight but Crystal versatility will  help her in this match...

Crystal may have dexterity but still pales in comparison to Aang's power. Benders may make movements to bend but you can't forget that those movements of theirs are also Martial-Arts so it can only support them in battle not hinder them. Also Aang's base powers grew remarkably after his last battle with ozai when he'd finally achieved his complete Avatar state gaining the skills/knowledge of those before him.

Aang

Not stating that Aang has no chance, but what has he done outside of the avatar state that Crystal can't counter? I can't think of anything he could do, save for trying to use his martial art skills for a KO, which is unlikely.  

@Sissel: Aang doesn't generate lightning he only  redirects it to a degree...  
@sceonn: All Aang did was pull up a large quanity of  water to put out the fire impressive yes but Crystal has moved cities with her earth manipulation,  swammed  in lava, lowered the internal temperature of Iron Man and Hawk  Eye....Aang  has never  shown any of these abilities...

@sceonn said:

                    @Roddy010 said:

@Sissel: Aang doesn't generate lightning he only  redirects it to a degree...  
@sceonn: All Aang did was pull up a large quanity of  water to put out the fire impressive yes but Crystal has moved cities with her earth manipulation,  swammed  in lava, lowered the internal temperature of Iron Man and Hawk  Eye....Aang  has never  shown any of these abilities...

                   

               

We're talking about a guy who shrieks at the idea of hurting people let alone killing. The fire bender avatar could bend lava and has without going avatar and Aang has gained all their skills. Benders can do a lot of things like making water out of moisture in the air or controlling plants and people's body though water bending alone or shooting laser/heat beams through fire bending and Aang has bended clouds and crystals before so you think it couldn't be to lower someones temperature? if blood bending can manipulate your body why can't it just freeze the water it's controlling? He can even take away bender's abilities through energy bending without going avatar though i don't know what affect that would have on a mutan/inhuman but it's all power nonetheless so it should account for something. Bending allows for more flexibility and manipulation of the elements than Crystal's ability. 
 
What i'm saying is that TO ME Aang has a better chance of rising victorious should he fight her in his base form though his morality could get in his way.

                   

               

I must state that you make a good argument here for the benders :-). I don't think it would be a curbstomp for either of them but I think Crystal has more powerful showings and she is more versatile. Aang, nor any previous avatar has blood bended so it's an ability that doesn't help him here specifically. But in terms of a blood freeze, which I think makes sense for skilled benders considering what Hama and Katara did, Crystal may still have a defense to that since she can actively control the molecules (water, air, etc.) in her own body. And Aang wouldn't be able to bend away Crystal's powers since her's are psionic and controlled by her mind. While I agree that some of the feats you mentioned, like the laval bending and controlling plants via the water inside are feats Crystal has not shown, she also has abilities that the benders have not shown and is more applicable to this battle based on the fight location(a beach with little to no plant life). She can generate powerful earthquakes that would keep Aang off balance, can KO him with seismic energy beams, and she can animate earth and water into constructs that could fight him for her.

1. Aang CAN NOT create lightning...He can only rediret it to a degree...No where in that qoute does it say Aang can create lightning...It only explains how Ozai, Iroh and Azula where able to create  it...This is the last time I will say this...Aang has never shown this ability...
2. Kyoshi moved an island not Aang...He isn't allowed to go into Avatar state in this battle so it irrelevant and also the island that Kyoshi created has a smaller compacity than the city that Crystal levitated...
3. Hama was the only bender to pull moisture from the air...No other bender showed this ability save Katara...And this won't help him any way...He won't be able to take the moisture from Crystal's body because HE NEVER SHOWED THIS ABILITY.....

AAng only b/c of his Avatar mode

@sceonn said:

                   

@Roddy010

said:

@Sissel

: Aang doesn't generate lightning he only  redirects it to a degree...  

@sceonn

: All Aang did was pull up a large quanity of  water to put out the fire impressive yes but Crystal has moved cities with her earth manipulation,  swammed  in lava, lowered the internal temperature of Iron Man and Hawk  Eye....Aang  has never  shown any of these abilities...

                   

               

We're talking about a guy who shrieks at the idea of hurting people let alone killing. The fire bender avatar could bend lava and has without going avatar and Aang has gained all their skills. Benders can do a lot of things like making water out of moisture in the air or controlling plants and people's body though water bending alone or shooting laser/heat beams through fire bending and Aang has bended clouds and crystals before so you think it couldn't be to lower someones temperature? if blood bending can manipulate your body why can't it just freeze the water it's controlling? He can even take away bender's abilities through energy bending without going avatar though i don't know what affect that would have on a mutan/inhuman but it's all power nonetheless so it should account for something. Bending allows for more flexibility and manipulation of the elements than Crystal's ability. 
 
What i'm saying is that TO ME Aang has a better chance of rising victorious should he fight her in his base form though his morality could get in his way.

                   

               

I must state that you make a good argument here for the benders :-). I don't think it would be a curbstomp for either of them but I think Crystal has more powerful showings and she is more versatile. Aang, nor any previous avatar has blood bended so it's an ability that doesn't help him here specifically. But in terms of a blood freeze, which I think makes sense for skilled benders considering what Hama and Katara did, Crystal may still have a defense to that since she can actively control the molecules (water, air, etc.) in her own body. And Aang wouldn't be able to bend away Crystal's powers since her's are psionic and controlled by her mind. While I agree that some of the feats you mentioned, like the laval bending and controlling plants via the water inside are feats Crystal has not shown, she also has abilities that the benders have not shown and is more applicable to this battle based on the fight location(a beach with little to no plant life). She can generate powerful earthquakes that would keep Aang off balance, can KO him with seismic energy beams, and she can animate earth and water into constructs that could fight him for her.