Aang & Katara vs Toph & Zuko

who wins when these four master benders go at it? 
 
-morals on 
 
-Aang JUST USES airbending, no avatar state or other bending arts 
 
-fight happens at sunset 
 
-win by k.o or making the other team give up 
 
EDIT- Since some say the fight is unfair due to Toph not seeing well on sand, i will break it into two scenarios 
 
FIGHT 1 HAPPENS HERE 
 

If Aang can use only airbending, I think Zuko and Toph would take a majority. Earthbending and Firebending just tend to be more directly combat-applicable than Airbending and Waterbending.

If Aang can use only airbending, I think Zuko and Toph would take a majority. Earthbending and Firebending just tend to be more directly combat-applicable than Airbending and Waterbending.

@(((Prodigy))) said:

If Aang can use only airbending, I think Zuko and Toph would take a majority. Earthbending and Firebending just tend to be more directly combat-applicable than Airbending and Waterbending.

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team 1 6/10..aang has beat zuko plenty of times with just airbending and I see katara beating toph...

team 1 6/10..aang has beat zuko plenty of times with just airbending and I see katara beating toph...

@EpitomeofCool said:

team 1 6/10..aang has beat zuko plenty of times with just airbending and I see katara beating toph...

The times that Aang beat Zuko were back in the days when Zuko was extremely angry and impetuous. It was later in the series that he started to learn the focus and inner peace that helped him develop his Firebending skills.

Morals on, I'd go with Zuko and Toph. 
 
Morals off, Katara can control their blood even without the full moon.

 Add in the fact they're fighting on sand which further takes away from Toph's ability to sense her opponents and their as shown when they were in the desert. 

 Toph has a hard time reacting to Aang because he is so light on his feet and his attacks are extremely hard for her to detect. 

the longer the fight lasts the stronger Katara becomes and the weaker Zuko becomes. 

water bending seems slow so i see no reason why she wouldn't get torched before she could do anything. Aang can't pierce through rocks with wind can he? anyway my money's on toph there may be water everywhere and you can make wind balls anytime but theres always a ground (unless you're in space) so i say she makes a giant wave of sand and blocks any attack they have before crushing them and if that doesn't work fire has plenty of aplications like burning things.

@odinforce said:

Morals on, I'd go with Zuko and Toph. 
 
Morals off, Katara can control their blood even without the full moon.

Since when can she Blood-Bend without the aid of a full moon? Both times she's been shown utilizing the skill have been under a full moon and she never used it in any other situation, even life-and death against Azula, so what evidence do you have she could do it without a full moon?  As far as the fight goes I'll say Aang and Katara win 6/10.  Toph has a hard time reacting to Aang because he is so light on his feet and his attacks are extremely hard for her to detect. Add in the fact they're fighting on sand which further takes away from Toph's ability to sense her opponents and their as shown when they were in the desert. Water trumps fire and the longer the fight lasts the stronger Katara becomes and the weaker Zuko becomes. uko may have greatly progressed towards the end of the series and he's my favorite character, but in this particular situation i think the cards are stacked against him. She has a lot of water at her disposal.

If Aang can use only airbending, I think Zuko and Toph would take a majority. Earthbending and Firebending just tend to be more directly combat-applicable than Airbending and Waterbending.

Crap. I love the combo of air and water bending, but without the avatar state, Katara would have to focus on the offense since air bending was so defensive, and unfortunately, I think Toph or Zuko could defeat her and then take out Aang (it's happened before).

I say team 1. Katara's versatility and Aang's mobility make for a deadly combination. Since they are on a beach and surrounded by water, Katara could freeze the water around toph's feet so she can't bend. Then, it comes down to Zuko vs. Aang and Katara. Somebody said that Zuko once fought back in the day and they were at even, and since Zuko learned from the dragons, he should win. But, just as Zuko improved his fire bending, Aang improved his airbending, showing mini whirlwinds and airgusts that we hadn't seen him perform before. Heck, he demonstrated himself capable of generating enough air to blast Zuko out of a house. So, I will go with team 1 here.

@TheGoldenOne: 
@Blood_guts: 
@(((Prodigy))): 
Team 1 wins. Not only is it at sunset which hinders Zuko firebending but the location is on sand which is difficult for Toph. She may be better dealing with it but she has never shown she has mastered it.
Also an entire lake is nearby. Much more water than rock around. And Aang beat Toph without trying. She can't sense his movements once he's airborne. With the sand and Toph problems with airbenders team 1 wins.
 
@one_upper: wish i had read your post before i damn near copied it word for word. lol

The only way I see Aang and Katara winning is if they fight members of the oposite nation...Aang has proven that he can take Toph espeacially in this environment...Katara has only gottan beaten by Zuko once, all the other times she has beaten him fairly easy...I say Aang and Katara 6/10.....

The only way I see Aang and Katara winning is if they fight members of the oposite nation...Aang has proven that he can take Toph espeacially in this environment...Katara has only gottan beaten by Zuko once, all the other times she has beaten him fairly easy...I say Aang and Katara 6/10.....

@cascadeking09: Toph made an unmoving sandcastle. That is elementary bending. That doesn't prove that she can use it to attack or make it hard and sand does not give off vibrations as well as ground which would hinder her.  His firebending may not get weaker at night but he is not at his peak while Aang and Katara are.. And Aang and katara can work as a team also. A couple minutes is all Aang needs while Katara holds off Zuko.  Plus if Katara wets the sand with all the water around that would make it even harder for Toph. With all these benders being pretty high level the only difference are weaknesses. Toph has 2 major ones while Team Aang has no weaknesses.

The only way I see Aang and Katara winning is if they fight members of the oposite nation...Aang has proven that he can take Toph espeacially in this environment...Katara has only gottan beaten by Zuko once, all the other times she has beaten him fairly easy...I say Aang and Katara 6/10.....

@pooty said:

@TheGoldenOne: 
@Blood_guts: 
@(((Prodigy))): 
Team 1 wins. Not only is it at sunset which hinders Zuko firebending but the location is on sand which is difficult for Toph. She may be better dealing with it but she has never shown she has mastered it.
Also an entire lake is nearby. Much more water than rock around. And Aang beat Toph without trying. She can't sense his movements once he's airborne. With the sand and Toph problems with airbenders team 1 wins.
 
@one_upper: wish i had read your post before i damn near copied it word for word. lol

Both not true. Zuko's Fire bending is more powerful during the day, but it doesn't get weaker or anything at night. And Toph struggled at first, but during Sozin's comet she is shown making a miniature city out of sand. If Toph and Zuko work as a team like he and Azula did against Katara and Aang, being airborne shouldn't be a problem for Toph because she could just switch with Zuko.

I see Toph taking out Aang and Katara, as her bending abilities are more applicable considering the location. Besides, she drove me insane with her metal-bending skills (as they are part of earth-bending), when she warped a door around her and created armor. Zuko, as skilled as he is (at the end of the series versing Azula) would be overkill.

I see Toph taking out Aang and Katara, as her bending abilities are more applicable considering the location. Besides, she drove me insane with her metal-bending skills (as they are part of earth-bending), when she warped a door around her and created armor. Zuko, as skilled as he is (at the end of the series versing Azula) would be overkill.

@one_upper: He's stronger during the day meaning his power goes up during the day, but it doesn't just drop or get weaker at night. The sun setting isn't going to make too big of a difference for Zuko here.   She went from not knowing how to do it to playing with it, I think she could do something with it in a combat scenario. I'm not saying she's a master or anything, but she obviously has some sort of skill with it alot more than she did when she and Appa got attacked. There is still Earth around her, here. It all depends on how she chooses to use it and the sand. I'm sure she's smart enough to know to stay  or get to where she can see.

@Dark Cloud™ said:

I see Toph taking out Aang and Katara, as her bending abilities are more applicable considering the location. Besides, she drove me insane with her metal-bending skills (as they are part of earth-bending), when she warped a door around her and created armor. Zuko, as skilled as he is (at the end of the series versing Azula) would be overkill.

There is no metal in this situation to be used. Furthermore there is little Earth, mostly sand.

Zuko and Toph

@Dark Cloud™: Well obviously she can bend them both, she has been shown doing it in the series. However it's been demonstrated she can't see well (it's stated as fuzzy) and cannot use her taslents for sensing and reacting to opponents in the same capacity.

@one_upper said:

@Dark Cloud™: Well obviously she can bend them both, she has been shown doing it in the series. However it's been demonstrated she can't see well (it's stated as fuzzy) and cannot use her taslents for sensing and reacting to opponents in the same capacity.

Her actual eye-sight is fuzzy, but her senses are tremendously keen around her Earth-bending abilities which have shown to be greatly beyond any other Earth-bender.

Well Toph and Azula are the greatest prodigies. So I would think Zuko can hold of Aang long enough for Toph to defeat Katara.

@Dark Cloud™ said:

@one_upper said:

@Dark Cloud™: Well obviously she can bend them both, she has been shown doing it in the series. However it's been demonstrated she can't see well (it's stated as fuzzy) and cannot use her taslents for sensing and reacting to opponents in the same capacity.

Her actual eye-sight is fuzzy, but her senses are tremendously keen around her Earth-bending abilities which have shown to be greatly beyond any other Earth-bender.

No she is completely blind. She can't see two inches in front of her face. In the desert she says that the sand makes everything she "sees" using her earthbending through her feet fuzzy. Where normally she can detect even ants crawling on the Earth in the desert she could barely make out humans.

@cascadeking09: You are "assuming" that she can do something with sand that she has never shown to do. As i said, with opponents so evenly matched any flaw can and will be exploited. Toph is a weak link here. Katara or Aang can compete with any of their opponents. Toph can't compete with Aang very long at all. On solid ground i say Toph can compete maybe even beat Katara. But on sand, i don't see it. Also with the sun up Zuko beat Katara. But when it went down(in the same episode) she made short work of him. He even called the sun his strength. The sun makes a difference
 
@Dark Cloud™: They are near an entire river or ocean and fighting on sand. Katara has the clear advantage over Toph in this situation. Katara also has an advantage over Zuko. The sun is setting so he is at "base" level while an entire lake is at Katara disposal.

It's specifically shown in the Finale of the First Book that Katara was beating Zuko until he gained strength from the rising sun. No, he does not lose his firebending, nor is it significantly weaker, but it has been illustrated specifically that there is a difference.   I still won't believe that she has gained applicable battle skills in sandbending until there is evidence presented proving she can sense people in sand the same she can on normal earth and that she can use it just as effectively in combat.

Are you saying on sand she is better than any earth bender who is also on sand? Or are you saying that if Toph is on sand she is still better than any earth bender on solid ground?

I assume you aren't taking Bumi into account?

All my opponents left :/

@cascadeking09: Actually I can call Katara vs Zuko a draw. They are not the real issue. Toph is the reason Team 2 loses. She's hampered. No matter how you look at it she is not her best on sand. And she is not her best against Airbenders. If you have any accounts from the show that prove that isn't the case please present them. She has to be 100% or her team loses.

toph owns.