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#1 Edited by that_comicv_guy (98 posts) - - Show Bio

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FIGHT TAKES PLACE IN AN EMPTY EARTH

NO PREP

WIN BY DEATH OR KO

BLOODLUSTED

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#2 Edited by decaf_wizard (16835 posts) - - Show Bio

That isn't 8th Day Juggernaut. That is Trion

Tbh Doomsday likely KO's Juggernaut although he has literally no way to put him down.

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#3 Posted by BabyDarkseid (1907 posts) - - Show Bio

DD

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#4 Posted by Picallo3798 (438 posts) - - Show Bio

DD easy. He's been defeated by physical attacks so many times he's practically immune to physical attack. Then he can adapt to defeat Jugg's shield.

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#5 Posted by omriamar (7068 posts) - - Show Bio

this is a stalemate

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#6 Posted by CaM_CaSh (666 posts) - - Show Bio

Doomsday.

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#7 Posted by deactivated-5b2121a0a9a00 (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

Doomsday

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#8 Edited by that_comicv_guy (98 posts) - - Show Bio
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#9 Edited by Picallo3798 (438 posts) - - Show Bio

@that_comicv_guy said:

@picallo3798: But how is he going to put him down though.

DD has the ability to adapt to energy patterns as we've seen plenty of times. Once he adapts to get through Juggernauts protective shield that makes him invulnerable. Its over.

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#10 Posted by Killerwasp (17289 posts) - - Show Bio

Jugs or stalemate

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#11 Posted by HellionVulcan (7137 posts) - - Show Bio

8th day was 100 times stronger than his normal stuff as there is no way Doomsday overpowers Cain Marko nor ko's him.

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#12 Posted by destinyman75 (13912 posts) - - Show Bio

8th day can't be put down by DD it's a long fight but Juggs ends this

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#13 Posted by Picallo3798 (438 posts) - - Show Bio

8th day was 100 times stronger than his normal stuff as there is no way Doomsday overpowers Cain Marko nor ko's him.

You realize that DD is Stronger than some of the top tier DC characters right??? Not to mention at this juncture he's practically immune to physical damage. After he adapts to Juggs shield. Juggs gets wrecked. Hard.

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#14 Posted by JohnPeterBanana (1149 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggy.

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#15 Posted by bowlt_swagg_320 (2239 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggs

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#16 Posted by Kirkseven (2491 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate or Doomsday I guess.

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#17 Posted by KratoDaManto (803 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggernaut or stalemate

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#18 Posted by King_Majestros (1929 posts) - - Show Bio

@picallo3798: What exactly do you mean by "he'll adapt to Juggernaut's shield?"

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#19 Posted by HellionVulcan (7137 posts) - - Show Bio

@hellionvulcan said:

8th day was 100 times stronger than his normal stuff as there is no way Doomsday overpowers Cain Marko nor ko's him.

You realize that DD is Stronger than some of the top tier DC characters right??? Not to mention at this juncture he's practically immune to physical damage. After he adapts to Juggs shield. Juggs gets wrecked. Hard.

Doomsday isn't wrecking 8th day in the slightest since Juggs is way stronger and the power backing him is superior to Doomsday.

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#20 Posted by P00TY (5781 posts) - - Show Bio

@picallo3798: Regarding Juggs shields. Did DD ever adapt to something that is NOT attacking him? I thought DD had to be attacked to adapt.

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#21 Posted by Picallo3798 (438 posts) - - Show Bio

@p00ty said:

@picallo3798: Regarding Juggs shields. Did DD ever adapt to something that is NOT attacking him? I thought DD had to be attacked to adapt.

No, as a matter of fact Ill try to find the scan where he adapts to a persons energy shield. Its the same theory. May be hard to track down to be honest.

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#23 Posted by ProteusXManRxis (4444 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggernaut

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#24 Posted by termiteone4ever (12780 posts) - - Show Bio

HP Doomsday for sure.

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#25 Edited by P00TY (5781 posts) - - Show Bio

@picallo3798: That scan shows him mimicking Eradicators powers. So conceivably he can create his own forcefield similar to Juggs. Actually leaning towards DD to win. I believe Juggs has been hurt and almost defeated.

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#26 Posted by that_comicv_guy (98 posts) - - Show Bio

@p00ty: The guy was called Eradicator. Yes that one. Heres the link where you can find it.:

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/5676i0/respect_doomsday_preflashpoint/?st=j7uuvn91&sh=7fe63980

That doesn't show him adapting to Eradicator's shields. And also, regardless if he needs to be attacked or not to be immune to something, immune basicly means not being able to be hurt by something so being immune to juggernaut's shield which basiclly don't hurt him doesn't make sense

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#27 Posted by Aatroxxx (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate

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#28 Edited by decaf_wizard (16835 posts) - - Show Bio

@picallo3798 said:
@that_comicv_guy said:

@picallo3798: But how is he going to put him down though.

DD has the ability to adapt to energy patterns as we've seen plenty of times. Once he adapts to get through Juggernauts protective shield that makes him invulnerable. Its over.

Juggernaut doesn't need his shield, you know that right? He did well against WWH without it and has been depowered and disintegrated to merely a skeleton, yet he still kept fighting

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#29 Posted by decaf_wizard (16835 posts) - - Show Bio

@p00ty said:

@picallo3798: That scan shows him mimicking Eradicators powers. So conceivably he can create his own forcefield similar to Juggs. Actually leaning towards DD to win. I believe Juggs has been hurt and almost defeated.

I think @pipxeroth told me that Juggernaut hasn't been harmed by pure physical force at full power once in his history (minus depowerments) and he knows a lot about Juggernaut

I can't think personally think of a time where he has

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#30 Edited by Pipxeroth (9129 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard: Well he has been put in a coma by someone with the uni power smacking him down from orbit if you count that as pure physical force, but really the uni power is basically just a plot device that gives the character as much power as they need to accomplish whatever their "destiny" is, so I wouldn't really count that. There was also the time he was hurt by Professor Hulk, but that was extremely poor writing given that he is consistently unharmed by attacks from much stronger characters. Those are the only two I can think of.

@picallo3798 Doomsday "adapting to Juggernaut's shield" is about as logical as him adapting to Superman's bio-electric aura and depowering him.

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#31 Posted by HellionVulcan (7137 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard: Well he has been put in a coma by someone with the uni power smacking him down from orbit if you count that as pure physical force, but really the uni power is basically just a plot device that gives the character as much power as they need to accomplish whatever their "destiny" is, so I wouldn't really count that. There was also the time he was hurt by Professor Hulk, but that was extremely poor writing given that he is consistently unharmed by attacks from much stronger characters. Those are the only two I can think of.

@picallo3798 Doomsday "adapting to Juggernaut's shield" is about as logical as him adapting to Superman's bio-electric aura and depowering him.

The uni powered William Nguyen ko'd Juggernaut telepathically and sent him crashing back to earth hopeful it'd kill him.

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#32 Posted by P00TY (5781 posts) - - Show Bio

@hellionvulcan: @pipxeroth: He probed his mind to find his weakness. He destroyed his helmet and dropped him to Earth. No where does it say he attacked him with telepathy. Just says he probed his mind.

@decaf_wizard: Eight day Juggernaut was hurt by the other Exemplars. Conquest was able to hurt him with pressure points. And another hurt him with his claws. Also, didn't Onslaught defeat him? Can't remember

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#33 Posted by P00TY (5781 posts) - - Show Bio

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/wonder-woman-vs-juggernaut-555989/?page=7

Post 344 says 8th Juggernaut is hurt. His victory is narrow. And his entire upper body is trembling.

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#34 Posted by Helloman (28523 posts) - - Show Bio

DD wins.

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#35 Posted by rhistr (430 posts) - - Show Bio

@that_comicv_guy said:

@picallo3798: But how is he going to put him down though.

DD has the ability to adapt to energy patterns as we've seen plenty of times. Once he adapts to get through Juggernauts protective shield that makes him invulnerable. Its over.

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#36 Posted by Pipxeroth (9129 posts) - - Show Bio

@p00ty: First off to clarify something, when I said that apart from those instances he hasn't been physically harmed, I meant physically damaged/knocked out, not simply feeling pain.

Anyway, you're forgetting that all the exemplars are empowered by Cyttorak-level beings and as such have magical based attacks though. The only exemplar who was said to hurt him was Conquest, who accomplished it via hidden pressure points. You can't really equate her hurting Cain to being an example that he can be physically KOd, in the same way that you can't equate Juggernaut's momentum to being done by strength. Onslaught defeated Juggernaut with his telepathy, not physical power.

@hellionvulcan I think it's unclear whether or not he used telepathy on him there. Either way like I said, the unipower is extremely plot driven, so I don't think it's relevant.

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#37 Posted by P00TY (5781 posts) - - Show Bio

@pipxeroth: It says his victory was narrow. And he was visibly trembling. A narrow victory means he almost lost the fight.

Nope, I'm not forgetting who empowers them. Just because they are powered by magic doesn't mean every attack is infused with magic. When Juggs hits someone it hurts because of the force of his punch. Not because it's magic based.

Someone said that Juggs has never been harmed by physical attacks. The battle with Conquest shows otherwise. She used pressure points not magic to almost defeat him. Also, until it is shown or stated that Captain Universe used TP attacks then that counts as a physical attack as well. I'm not saying DD can replicate either feat. Just stating examples of him being harmed by physical force.

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#38 Posted by Standardized (1187 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate, this would be a slugfest.

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#39 Posted by jasonhitto (1341 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggs win in a stomp

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#40 Posted by Pipxeroth (9129 posts) - - Show Bio

@p00ty:

It says his victory was narrow. And he was visibly trembling. A narrow victory means he almost lost the fight.

Never said otherwise.

Nope, I'm not forgetting who empowers them. Just because they are powered by magic doesn't mean every attack is infused with magic. When Juggs hits someone it hurts because of the force of his punch. Not because it's magic based.

They have magical based powers depending on what they embody. Juggernaut embodies unstoppable physical force, so he has his whole unstoppable momentum shtick. That's magic based, not done with his strength. Conquest embodies fighting and combat, so her attacks are magical based. Same as how Bedlam's telepathy is magic based. It's not difficult to comprehend.

Someone said that Juggs has never been harmed by physical attacks. The battle with Conquest shows otherwise. She used pressure points not magic to almost defeat him.

Yes but her attacks are magic based since she is the literal embodiment of combat in the same way that Cain's momentum is magic based due to be the embodiment of unstoppable force. You can't simply say "Conquest harmed him, ergo every high tier and their dog can harm him physically".

Also, until it is shown or stated that Captain Universe used TP attacks then that counts as a physical attack as well.

Like I said, the uni power is for all intents and purposes a plot device that gives the user enough power to achieve a given task, which in this case was to defeat Juggernaut. He does say that he probed his mind for weaknesses and tore through his helmet with the uni power, so it's entirely possible that he was able to shut down Cain's force field before throwing him.

I'm not saying DD can replicate either feat. Just stating examples of him being harmed by physical force.

Conquest's attacks are magical in nature, the captain universe instance is ambiguous, and the only other one is Professor Hulk which is extremely bad writing. You could also probably include his fight with War Hulk, but despite Hulk threatening to kill him by cutting his head off (which wouldn't work in the first place), he wasn't actually shown to be physically harmed and was fine as soon as Hulk left.

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#41 Edited by P00TY (5781 posts) - - Show Bio

@pipxeroth: Conquest power source is irrelevant. If you believe that if Superman hit Juggs in those same spots...that it wouldn't have the same effect then present your case. Nothing supports that her being magic-based made her attacks any more potent. In fact, I don't recall magic based characters ever being a weakness for Juggs.

See above. Juggs is not vulnerable to magic based characters. If that were true then Thor could have hurt him.

Wolverine has stabbed out his eye. Captain Universe has stopped him. Hulk has put him on his knees. To think that only magic can affect Juggs has been disproven multiple times.

Nothing is ambiguous. Captain Universe stated what he did. No reason to assume he used attacks that were not stated nor shown.

See point 3. You're making excuses for Juggs. If it were just one instance then cool. But MULTIPLE examples can't all be bad writing.

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#42 Posted by Pipxeroth (9129 posts) - - Show Bio

@p00ty:

Conquest power source is irrelevant.

Lol what? It's entirely relevant.

If you believe that if Superman hit Juggs in those same spots...that it wouldn't have the same effect then present your case.

That's not how burden of proof works, sorry.

Nothing supports that her being magic-based made her attacks any more potent. In fact, I don't recall magic based characters ever being a weakness for Juggs.

Uhh no, Shatterstar's swords were able to harm Juggernaut due to being magical in nature -

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See above. Juggs is not vulnerable to magic based characters. If that were true then Thor could have hurt him.

Except that Odin isn't on the same level as Cyttorak-tier beings.

Wolverine has stabbed out his eye.

No he hasn't, not while he's been at his normal power levels at least. Wolverine is literally incapable of harming him.

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Captain Universe has stopped him. Hulk has put him on his knees.

Are you actually reading my posts? I already addressed these two...

To think that only magic can affect Juggs has been disproven multiple times.

I never said only magic can affect him, I said he's never been harmed by pure physical power apart from some specific instances with poor writing.

Nothing is ambiguous. Captain Universe stated what he did. No reason to assume he used attacks that were not stated nor shown.

What? He literally stated that he tried to probe his mind to find his weakness but couldn't because of the helmet, so he destroyed the helmet, then threw Juggernaut to Earth. Unless you think he just destroyed the helmet for shits and giggles? We don't know what he did.

See point 3. You're making excuses for Juggs. If it were just one instance then cool. But MULTIPLE examples can't all be bad writing.

Explaining context is making excuses now? Lol. You haven't presented a single clear cut feat of him being harmed by brute strength, and the Professor Hulk instance was bad writing given that Cain consistently tanks more powerful attacks.

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#44 Edited by 20damon (6040 posts) - - Show Bio

War Hulk could have killed Juggernaut so there is that occasion as well. Green Scar hurt him though they did not visible damage to each other (They only fought for a couple of frames), and also momentarily stopped Juggernaut's advance, driving the force downward. Certainly doesn't seem out of H/P DD's range.

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#45 Posted by Pipxeroth (9129 posts) - - Show Bio

@20damon: There's no evidence that War Hulk was going to kill Juggernaut other than him saying he would behead Cain. Assuming the sword could even cut him, Juggernaut would have simply regenerated.

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#46 Posted by P00TY (5781 posts) - - Show Bio

@pipxeroth: Before i post scans..... In what comic is it stated that Juggs is vulnerable to magic based beings or items?

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#47 Posted by 20damon (6040 posts) - - Show Bio

@20damon: There's no evidence that War Hulk was going to kill Juggernaut other than him saying he would behead Cain. Assuming the sword could even cut him, Juggernaut would have simply regenerated.

Neither of us can prove it but it's on you to prove that what the character stated was about to happen was a lie. In either case, Juggernaut was lying in a heap, helpless after getting stomped by War.

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#48 Posted by P00TY (5781 posts) - - Show Bio

Times Juggernaut was hurt when no magic was involved.

Hulk had him trembling and on his knees.

Captain Universe threw him to earth. If Captain Universe mentioned that he probed his mind, ripped his helmet and threw him to Earth... Why wouldn't he say that he mind r**pe him also?

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#49 Posted by P00TY (5781 posts) - - Show Bio
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The narration says that it was "pressure points" that was hurting Cain. Makes no mention of Conquest taking advantage of Cain's weakness to magic.

Cain is helpless and unable to defend himself.

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#50 Posted by 20damon (6040 posts) - - Show Bio

@p00ty:

There is this one as well, however, while neither is causing visible damage to the other, it is quite clear that both are feeling the other's blows and they only fought for a few frames.

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