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#1 Edited by Mr_NoFunAllowed (2077 posts) - - Show Bio

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Soldier, Heavy, Scout, Medic, Demoman, and Engineer

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Pharah, Bastion, Tracer, Mercy, Junkrat, and Torbjorn.

Rules:

Tracer is restricted to her abilities as seen in game.

Everybody is in character

Bastion can't self heal

Tf2 has comic feats

Scenarios:

1: No Ults. Team Tf2 has stock arsenal.

2: Ults. Full arsenal for tf2.

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If you're frustrated with the rules, feel free to discuss scenarios without them.

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#2 Posted by Amendment50 (12927 posts) - - Show Bio

TF2 stomps both rounds.

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#3 Posted by Mr_NoFunAllowed (2077 posts) - - Show Bio
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#5 Posted by Mr_NoFunAllowed (2077 posts) - - Show Bio

@amendment50: You are a pretty big supporter of Scout, and of Tf2 in general.

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#6 Edited by LowFlyby (216 posts) - - Show Bio

Tracer can solo, Phara can solo, Bastion can solo...

Since this is only game abilities then team OWs artillery and energy weapons kill them in seconds. TF2 Chars just arent tanky enough. In TF2 a Small handheld shotgun is considered scary as hell...Meanwhile you have people like Reaper with 2 hell shotguns running around taking dozens of shots to kill an enemy. Also did i mention road hog ? His shotgun is so big it literally has the barrel diameter of a 50mm cannon...Even worse its a double barrel shotgun, and that takes a few hits to kill even the weakest characters in overwatch.

Thats apart from the massive Speed and agility difference here aswell.

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#7 Posted by Amendment50 (12927 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_nofunallowed: Yeah. I would probably give the Overwatch team a slight edge if there were a scenario where TF2 team had stock gear and Overwatch could use ults, though.

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#8 Posted by Mr_NoFunAllowed (2077 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowflyby said:

Tracer can solo, Phara can solo, Bastion can solo...

Since this is only game abilities then team OWs artillery and energy weapons kill them in seconds. TF2 Chars just arent tanky enough.

Thats apart from the massive Speed and agility difference here.

Oho, looks like we have a taker. @amendment50

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#9 Posted by Amendment50 (12927 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowflyby said:

Bastion can solo...

You have literally no idea what you are talking about if you think Bastion can solo.

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@amendment50 said:

@lowflyby said:

Bastion can solo...

You have literally no idea what you are talking about if you think Bastion can solo.

I think its the other way around. TF2 characters have crap durability.

Literally normal handguns are dangerous in that game.

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#11 Posted by Amendment50 (12927 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowflyby: Even with the most insane lowballing possible the TF2 team still has Ubercharge which Bastion has no counter to whatsoever.

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#12 Posted by LowFlyby (216 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowflyby: Even with the most insane lowballing possible the TF2 team still has Ubercharge which Bastion has no counter to whatsoever.

Ubercharge doesnt matter because They all get blitzed. Also Ubercharge doesnt have the feats to say its going to be effective Vs massively superior speed, durability and weaponry.

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#13 Posted by Amendment50 (12927 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowflyby said:

Literally normal handguns are dangerous in that game.

...The soldier uses shooting himself in the feet with his rocket launcher as a strategy

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#14 Posted by BeaconofStrength (12338 posts) - - Show Bio

No one on the TF2 team is fast enough to touch Tracer.

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@amendment50 said:

@lowflyby said:

Literally normal handguns are dangerous in that game.

...The soldier uses shooting himself in the feet with his rocket launcher as a strategy

Yeah and he was designed around it. But Hes not feeling to well when he gets shot by a dinky little pistol or headshot by a sniper.

His Rocket jump durability wont matter when hes entirely featless against energy weapons.

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#16 Posted by Amendment50 (12927 posts) - - Show Bio

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#17 Posted by Mr_NoFunAllowed (2077 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowflyby:

How exactly do they get blitzed in round 2? Considering the Medic has a vaccinator which gives a good amount of resistance to bullets and explosions if needed to.

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I accept your surrender.

Good debate.

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#20 Posted by LowFlyby (216 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowflyby:

How exactly do they get blitzed in round 2? Considering the Medic has a vaccinator which gives a good amount of resistance to bullets and explosions if needed to.

That wont matter because Ultimates are in round 2..... Considering how badly they do against soldiers launcher, Pharas ultimate alone would team wipe them. Leaving Heavy left on Low HP and by himself at very least.

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#21 Edited by Mr_NoFunAllowed (2077 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowflyby said:
@amendment50 said:

@lowflyby said:

Literally normal handguns are dangerous in that game.

...The soldier uses shooting himself in the feet with his rocket launcher as a strategy

Yeah and he was designed around it. But Hes not feeling to well when he gets shot by a dinky little pistol or headshot by a sniper.

His Rocket jump durability wont matter when hes entirely featless against energy weapons.

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You officially have no clue what you're talking about. I'll take your opinion's worth as I would a grain of salt.

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#22 Edited by Mr_NoFunAllowed (2077 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowflyby: Do you think they'll have them ultimates at the start? No.

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#23 Posted by just_banter (7582 posts) - - Show Bio

TF2 team stomps

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#24 Posted by LowFlyby (216 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowflyby said:
@amendment50 said:

@lowflyby said:

Literally normal handguns are dangerous in that game.

...The soldier uses shooting himself in the feet with his rocket launcher as a strategy

Yeah and he was designed around it. But Hes not feeling to well when he gets shot by a dinky little pistol or headshot by a sniper.

His Rocket jump durability wont matter when hes entirely featless against energy weapons.

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You officially have no clue what you're talking about. I'll take your opinion's worth as I would a grain of salt.

Clearly Biased TF2 Fan is clearly biased.

@lowflyby: Do you think they'll have them ultimates at the start? No.

You never specified. You Said Ults. So ofcourse we are supposed to assume they have them.

Fail OP, Fail Thread. My work is done here.

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#25 Posted by Pipxeroth (11659 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably the TF team. Still though, even if Tracer is restricted

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If Bastion can set up, he deals a ludicrous amount of damage with that minigun.

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#26 Edited by Mr_NoFunAllowed (2077 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowflyby said:
@mr_nofunallowed said:
@lowflyby said:
@amendment50 said:

@lowflyby said:

Literally normal handguns are dangerous in that game.

...The soldier uses shooting himself in the feet with his rocket launcher as a strategy

Yeah and he was designed around it. But Hes not feeling to well when he gets shot by a dinky little pistol or headshot by a sniper.

His Rocket jump durability wont matter when hes entirely featless against energy weapons.

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You officially have no clue what you're talking about. I'll take your opinion's worth as I would a grain of salt.

Clearly Biased TF2 Fan is clearly biased.

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@lowflyby: Do you think they'll have them ultimates at the start? No.

You never specified. You Said Ults. So ofcourse we are supposed to assume they have them.

Fail OP, Fail Thread. My work is done here.

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Lol. Nice try at saving face.

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Cow_Mangler_5000

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Righteous_Bison

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Pomson_6000

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Manmelter

And you assumed we were playing by gameplay only? So why would they have ults at the start. I could make that a rule though if other people think it would be fairer. Next time play Tf2 for more than 5 minutes.

@amendment50

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#27 Edited by Amendment50 (12927 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_nofunallowed: You asking if I think it would be fairer to limit it to gameplay only? Eh not really, both are kinda hard to gauge in that respect. Would pretty much equalize durability but everything is still up for debate.

Although that would take away Tracer's precious "bullet timing" feat, lol. Or wait, that's already restricted in OP isn't it

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#28 Posted by Mr_NoFunAllowed (2077 posts) - - Show Bio

@amendment50: Nah, I was just asking you to laugh with me at the no durability feats against energy weapons feat.

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#30 Posted by LowFlyby (216 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowflyby said:
@mr_nofunallowed said:
@lowflyby said:
@amendment50 said:

@lowflyby said:

Literally normal handguns are dangerous in that game.

...The soldier uses shooting himself in the feet with his rocket launcher as a strategy

Yeah and he was designed around it. But Hes not feeling to well when he gets shot by a dinky little pistol or headshot by a sniper.

His Rocket jump durability wont matter when hes entirely featless against energy weapons.

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You officially have no clue what you're talking about. I'll take your opinion's worth as I would a grain of salt.

Clearly Biased TF2 Fan is clearly biased.

@mr_nofunallowed said:

@lowflyby: Do you think they'll have them ultimates at the start? No.

You never specified. You Said Ults. So ofcourse we are supposed to assume they have them.

Fail OP, Fail Thread. My work is done here.

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Lol. Nice try at saving face.

Saving Face ? The Hell do you think you are ?

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Ive got nothing to lose about what you think of me, And frankly I dont care.

Nice turning your own thread into a Social **** measuring contest. Have fun!

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#31 Posted by Mr_NoFunAllowed (2077 posts) - - Show Bio

@amendment50: I forgot about that. I don't run into much people using that skin though. Didn't Sniper and Scout get their own retrofuturistic skins also? I'm never in a server with one of those guys.

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#32 Edited by Mr_NoFunAllowed (2077 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowflyby: And thank you for accepting the fact soldier has energy weapon durability. Good day to you sir!

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#33 Posted by LowFlyby (216 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowflyby: And thank you for accepting the fact soldier has energy weapon durability. Good day to you sir!

Wont last too long considering you die in 2 seconds in that game.

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#34 Posted by Mr_NoFunAllowed (2077 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowflyby: Alright my man, whatever makes you feel good.

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#35 Edited by Ultra_SupermanKing (1567 posts) - - Show Bio

Scenario 1: The TF2 team has good lead on durability. However only for Solider, Scout, and maybe Demo. Solider and Scout have for sure rocket level durability. Demoman maybe....in Meet the Medic he survived being blown away by three rockets from behind. However for sure Medic and Engineer have no feats like at all. So we can only assume normal human durability. For the Heavy we see in Mann vs. Machine - The Sound of Medicine at around :20 a close range explosion happens and the Heavy only yells. In Strength the TF2 team also has a good lead. The Soldier can use the Black Box which weighs half and ton. Scout can kill a bear in one swing. Heavy can kill a giant bear with his hands. Again Medic, Engineer,and Demoman have no strength feats. Well the Demoman can cut off people heads with his eyelander.

Funny enough Overwatch has better sustained mobility Pharah can fly at high speeds. In the "We are" Overwatch trailer we see Pharah fly out of some clouds at some pretty fast speeds. Which gives her more mobility than the Soldier's rocket jumping. Tracer obviously can blink around but with " Tracer is restricted to her abilities as seen in game." Really hurts her alot. Her in game limits are pitiful only three Blinks and three recharge makes her so much slower.Although Mercy has zero feats in lore her Suit actually lets here fly. Which gives her better survivability than the TF2 Medic.

In terms of weaponry I'd say there equal we don't really much info on there weapons.A few notable exceptions are The Heavy's minigun can fire at 10,000 rpm and the Medic's medigun can keep people alive even when they have no heart also regenerate an entire chest cavity in seconds. Bastion in turret form can mow down trees splitting them apart like paper. Junkrat can blow up entire skyscraper with prep time (Also presumably with a single bomb too, but this is unlikely)

In this scenario Pharah gets to the middle first and quite literally rains justice from above. Never letting the Engineer setup up his sentry gun. Bastion goes into turret form lays down suppressing fire. Overall however the TF2 team has too much durability and can tank alot more from Overwatch. If anything the Engineer gets killed, the Medic too if Tracer can get in close and either gun him down or pulse bomb'em. The best bet for Overwatch is too take out the Heavy asp so Pharah can get in close. Torb and Bastion should stay back and lay down suppressing fire. Both of them can deny the Soldier a bombing run when he rocket jumps. Although they have to careful because the Demoman can easily take them out. IF everything goes perfect they should pull out a win over the TF2 mercs. However the TF2 team have a higher chance of winning. Mostly due to Solider and Scout. With their high durability they'll be able to tank what ever the Overwatch team throws at them. The Medic would be glued to the Heavy's pootis constantly healing him. The Heavy will be able to gun down Pharah due to his insane rpm and keep Tracer off the Medic (Only because the OP's nerf......). Mercy has no lore to her healing while the Medic has been shown to have insane healing capabilities at the cost of mobility since to heal the Solider, Scout or Demoman he has so run towards which can very dangerous. While Mercy can just fly to whom ever needs it. Bastion although similar to the heavy, has to stay still while in turret form. This makes him very vulnerable to Demoman pipes. Junkrat can only destroy the Engineers buildings however Pharah won't let him build up sentry. I really don't wanna say that Solider can tank fire Bastion, but he can tank at least a little bit not sustained fire but a quick poke at the Soldier won't kill'em. Plus the Medic can heal his injures. So overall it gets a bit stalematey until the Medic pops uber which allows the TF2 mercs to kill Bastion and Torb freeing up the battlefield. Scout takes out Junkrat and Tracer. Then the heavy shoots down Pharah and Mercy.

Scenario :2 Overwatch has a better chance since Pharah can pop a ult while above the Medic killing him or Tracer can pulse bomb the medic.Leaving the TF2 team without healing. Torb can upgrade his turret to lvl 3 to save it. Mercy can bring back her teammates for a surprise attack. Bastion and Junkrats ults aren't really gonna do much since they can both be stopped by three outta the six mercs. Soldier can bomb bastion, Heavy can gun him down. While Junkrats tire can be shot by anybody and have it be rendered null. Also this leaves him vulnerable. Their ults do help them quite a bit, yet since the TF2 mercs have their full arsenal it helps them more than the ults help Overwatch. Soldier has the beggar's bazooka which gives him a mini Pharah ult. Scout has his bonk which turns him into a bullet dodger. Medic can erect a shield(possibly stopping the Pharah ult) , heal teammates from afar with the crusaders crossbow, make the mercs more resistant to damage with the Vaccinator giving them better bullet and explosive durability. The Engineer might actually get his sentry gun up via the jag.

In short ,Round 1: TF2 Team 8/10 Overwatch Team 6/10. Round :2 TF2 Team 9/10 Overwatch Team 7/10. But this not a stomp for either side. In fact Overwatch can win if they play their cards perfectly.

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#36 Edited by Mr_NoFunAllowed (2077 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultra_supermanking: Very nice explanation. I'm also happy that you didn't say it was a stomp for either team. I'm curious however on how the battle would go if Tracer would be able to blink everywhere

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#37 Posted by gamiz7 (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

if its me as engi, i can solo

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#38 Posted by Ultra_SupermanKing (1567 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_nofunallowed: If Tracer could blink like in the lore it would give Overwatch a much better chance. It makes the fight about 50/50.

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#39 Posted by Mr_NoFunAllowed (2077 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultra_supermanking: Interesting. I assumed her blink would give too much of an advantage when placed alongside Pharah's flight and Bastion's tree mowing down feat.

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#40 Posted by Mr_NoFunAllowed (2077 posts) - - Show Bio
Bump
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#41 Posted by Amendment50 (12927 posts) - - Show Bio

Tracer solos ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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#43 Posted by tparks (10555 posts) - - Show Bio

I think TF2 and Overwatxh fans will never find a happy medium. Both sides stick to their guns, and refuse to back down. And I love it. Lol. These debates will never end, and I don't want them too!