6/8: DCEU JL replace MCU Avengers in..Ragnarok

This is part 6 of 8 replacement battles. DCEU Superman is EXCLUDED from the battles until stated otherwise.

Part 1: NY; Part 2: Sokovia; Part 3: Wakanda; Part 4: Endgame; Part 5: Civil War; Part 7: JL in MOS; Part 8: Avengers in MOS.

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TEAM MEMBER:

Wonder Woman (full gears, retain her speed but limited to short bursts, so no infinite-blitz),

Batman (access to all of his DCEU gears/techs/vehicles),

Aquaman (full gears),

Flash (non-jobbing, but can't weapon steal/borrow),

And Cyborg.

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MISSION OBJECTIVES:

The League replace Ravengers on Asgard rainbow bridge. Each has their own missions -

1. Flash fight his way into the zombie-infested palace, to retrieve Surtur Skull and Eternal Flame;

2. Batman and Cyborg fend off Hela's zombie army while the refugees board the spaceship;

3. Aquaman face-off against Fenris on the rainbow bridge;

3(a). Aquaman and Fenris fell into the water and continue the fight (no waterfall BFR);

4. Wonder Woman must repel Hela long enough for others to succeed;

BONUS 5: Hela killed several innocents with her spikes, this unleashed Diana's compassionate god-mode. Can an unleashed Wonder Woman defeat/kill Hela?

(Surtur grew to City-wipe size *, Superman shows up)

BONUS 6. Can the team defeat Giant Surtur **? Crown-removal accepted.

* same Surtur that got stagger by hulk's slam.

** Surtur engage in battle, instead of grow bigger and destroy Asgard.

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How many objectives can they clear? Which will be the hardest?

Or could they secure the win better than Revengers did?

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Fox X-Men replace MCU Avengers:

1/8: New York; 2/8: Age of Ultron; 3/8: Civil War P1; 4/8: Civil War P2; 5/8: Ragnarok; 6/8: Infinity War; 7/8: Endgame P1; 8/8: Endgame P2.

1. Flash KO's himself somewhere on the way.

2. They can probably manage, but just due to Cyborg.

3. Aquaman impals him on trident. Would get murdered if he's unarmed though.

4. Same.

5. WW vs Hela might go either way.

6. They can't beat Surtur.

1.Flash does it.

2.Cyborg saves the day.

3.Fenris probably eats him. Aquaman could win in a lucky day with a lucky shot.

4.She can do it. Actually I think that Hela is more powerful than Wonder Woman but she is truly a bad match up for her because she is fast enough to deflect or dodge the spikes and in close combat she could just blitz and decapitate or have a close combat in wich WW would probably show better skill and even strength.

5.What I said.

6.They can't do anything to Surtur.

1. Flash retrieves the crown.
2. They do it due to Cyborg.
3. Aquaman kills it with trident.
4. She can keep Hela at bay long enough for the civilians to get onto the ship.
5. Not really sure, Diana stands a chance due to gear.
6. Superman punches Surtur like Hulk. Nothing happens.

Lol, Diana in no way is capable of holding off an opponent that can fodderize Thor.

Here Diana has gears that Ragnarok Thor did not have. thought?

1. Flash clears ez

2. Batplane + Cyborg clear ez

3. Aquaman beats it 8/10

3a Aquaman BFRs 10/10

4. Diana solos

5. Diana solos if she still has sword

6. Superman can wear him down and fly away if he tries to BFD

1. Flash trips then dies.

2. They clear.

3. Fenris stomps.

4. WW gets impaled.

5. Same as 4.

6. They can't do anything to Surter, and it's GG once he planet busts.

Well those gears wouldn't be enough, nor last long enough to be enough. Thor had Gungir against Hela, Mjolnir against Hela, and full-out better lightning, enough to lay waste to Hulk in seconds, and it still wasn't enough. Diana's gear has been destroyed before.

Probably gonna edit my post to make it longer but they clear everything save giant Surtur but Idk if I'm entirely sure yet

@the_gaurdian: cool, looking forward to see you analysis :-)

@rajjarsalt: interesting point. HOW do you think Hela can destroy Ww's sword and shield? And what about her lasso? :-)

TL;DR at the bottom

Barry comes right back with the Skull and Eternal Flame. He can blitz a lot of fodder on the way back too and make Bruce and Victor’s job a lot easier. With all his vehicles if “drone mode” from Alfred is still available he can strafe with the Batwing while Batman clears the bridge with the Batmobile and Cyborg unloads with the Nightcrawler. Flash could blitz through any stragglers too along with speeding up the evacuation. Assuming Arthur doesn’t one-shot with the trident or clobber the wolf on the bridge he stomps in a body of water. Depending on how deep it is he can swim around and jump out for a blitz since he moves like Superman when swimming. Or he could just form a massive water shield with the trident like he used to beat Orm and go in for the kill that way.

Wonder Woman vs. Hela would be the coolest. They’re decently matched in strength, speed and skill but Diana’s lasso can slice up any launched projectiles and the bracelet clash will go a long way in repelling Hela. It was so strong that Steppenwolf couldn’t use his legs that propel him for miles to brace and had to dig into the ground with his axe. It also launched him hundreds of feet and embedded him into the wall of a nuclear silo. It all comes down to if Diana can go in for depapitation which I think she could with some effort. When WW goes into her god mode (which I think was more of an awakening/bloodlust) that’s when things go bad for Hela altogether. I’m not sure if she can generate some Ares killing lightning (she did briefly in JL to bust a bridge) but that’s definitely one way to incap Hela briefly. She can also stop her midair with the bracelet clash and ragdoll her or just get serious about lopping off limbs/her head. Doomsday’s bones were tougher than Hela’s and the Sword of Athena cut clean through him. I’m not sure if she can die since Asgard is where she’s the strongest but Wonder Woman would bully her the whole time she’s bloodlusted with her greater versatility so she may just end up wishing for death.

Superman vs. Surtur goes about the same way it did with Hulk. Clark may be able to bust a hole through Surtur with the World Engine feat but as he continues to grow there’s really no stopping him. I think he could remove the crown if he had knowledge on it beforehand and concentrated all his blitzes on his head but anything else besides that and Asgard is toast.

TL;DR they clear all the regular rounds and the first bonus but unless Superman targets the crown straight away they stop there.

1. Flash will fail. If this is JL version he will mess up. He eventually will get tagged.

2. Batman will be overwelmed easily. Cyborg probably won't clear the task on his own.

3. Aquaman isn't as powerful as Ragnarok Hulk. Fenris will bite him and it's over.

4. Diana could possibly hold of Hela long enough, but will also get overwelmed by the army.

5. Maybe, if Diana can tag Hela.

Bonus. No way they kill Ragnarok Surtur.

1. Flash just needs to run, easy enough.

2. They were overwhelmed with better fighters (Valk, Loki, Heimdall) before Thor showed up, Batman and cyborg lose in seconds.

3. Fenris was beating Hulk, it should be a no brainer that Arthur is fodder here.

4 & 5. The WW in the DCEU so far is a mid tier with good gear, she’s not vaguely a peer to Thor as he was even in Ragnarok and Hela was curbstomping him. Spite here.

6. Surtur can’t hope to tag Clark but no one can stop him busting Asgard and killing everyone.

2/6, no idea why they had to beat Surtur.

This is just a bonus round for fun :-P

ps. Surtur will stay at city-wipe size and no longer growing or going for Asgard-busting if he engages in battle with JL.

You sure about that m8?

Fodder Hogun didn't seem to have much trouble closing the distance. I'm not sure how you figure a faster, deadlier, higher skilled enemy like Diana would.

OT: Clears. Superman flies through Big Surtur's head like a bullet. Or worst case scenario just files through Asgard and busts it.

@odimm: VD says Hela can't be put down by blades, gg. Makes sense, her feats support it.

Also, weaker Hela. Diana gets her skull crushed. In-character for Hela, too.

1. Flash does it after trilling a million times

2. Cyborg Carries but still has a chance of being overrun

3. Aquaman has an extreme advantage in water here. Does the same as the Hulk.

4. Hela kills Wonder Woman. I’ve if she does pierce her it would only prolonged the inevitable.

5. Maybe but doubt it since She still got up after taking Thor’s best lighting strike.

6. Asgard’s doomed... plain and simple.

So if Diana did the exact same thing Hogun did, and instead of a mace she swings the sword of Athena, Hela has feats to tank that according to you? And Hela has the ability to regrow a head? Lmao.

Wonder Woman counters her perfectly. Quit deluding yourself and be realistic. Idgaf about VD statements, we have statements from reliable in universe sources saying Superman can shift tectonic plates and is stronger than a planet, but your gonna take a visual director at face value because MCU? And you have the audacity to claim someone else a hypocrite? Pot, meet kettle.

Bitch, please. Atleast Hela has feats to justify such a statement, like a sword going through her and her regenerating faster than 616 Deadpool. What makes you think her instantaneous regeneration wouldn't seal the cut?

Snyder doesn't even think Clark can rep Routh lifting an island, so who are you deluding by taking a newspaper statement and wanking a continental feat out of it?

And yes, VFX statements are reliable because it's VFX ppl who design feats, such as DD's AoE, MoS Kryptonians punching supersonic, etc. I don't reject it "because MCU/DCEU" or anything you spin out of god-knows-where.

As for Batman, I would definitely accept that, but what exactly were you doing when Thor took the full force of a star from a reliable in-universe source? If you were truly unbiased, you would evaluate "stronger than a planet" and "full force of a star" equally.

But the fact that you take such statements above the capacities shown by feats, and above the word of people that design feats is not surprising.

@the_gaurdian: WW and Hela aren't matched in strength. Hela neg-diffed Thor.

@rajjarsalt: You missed my overall point m8. Idgaf about statements. Only reason I even brought it up was to show how much of a hypocrite you are for doing so. They are not a good way to justify power levels, and are contradicted frequently. I care more about actual scans and feats. So I'll ask you again since you so clumsily dodged the question.

If Diana did the exact same thing Hogun did, and instead of a mace she swings the sword of Athena, Hela has feats to tank that according to you? And Hela has the ability to regrow a head? A simple yes, or a simple no will suffice. And if yes, I'm gonna need those feats where she tanks a sword that can pierce Doomsday, and that scan she regrows a head after decapitation.

@rajjarsalt: Wonder Woman matched strength with Doomsday 3 times. That's more than enough to compete with Hela

Hold on a minute. So does that mean Superman is stronger than DD? Because Superman > Diana.

@rajjarsalt: She's stronger than BvS but not the JL version with an obvious motherbox amp

Ah, so would it be like JL Superman > Doomsday = Diana > BvS Superman?

@rajjarsalt: Yeah that's about accurate. I don't truly know what the power levels will be in Zack's JL but I have a feeling they'll be portrayed as around equals again with Superman having a slight edge on her instead of the massive one now

"Snyder doesn't even think Clark can rep Routh lifting an island, so who are you deluding by taking a newspaper statement and wanking a continental feat out of it?"

Did he actually say this? Can you provide me a source? I want to see.

Also he has a point about the head thing. You responded to it as a simple cut, but his assertion was Diana hitting Hela in the head like Hogun which would cut her head in half. I agree with both those statements being hyperbole, because they are.

IIRC the source is an interview discussing Clark's power level and he talks about the Routh feat - I'll pull and post it here.

Yes, but Hela's armor (I don't think she's fully armored, though) has taken hits from an uru spear and if Diana pierced, the cut would likely reseal itself, unless Diana left the blade lodged in there. There's no reason she'd be able to regrow a head, but I don't see how a decap would necessarily be the end unless one could guarantee her head would be sent far away before the regen seals the cut the blade makes.

@crunch5481: What did it say, then?

As for the sword swing, Hela didd instantly regenerate it. If cellular action instantly begins reknitting the moment the blade leaves the flesh, then I don't see why it wouldn't just go through. Plus, I'd imagine the armored parts would give Diana a hard time, or those necro-antlers on her head to withhold the sword swing. Hela can also grow more pieces of said material, so if Diana went for anything but a decap and Hela survived it, well, that would help her survive something like a decap if the regen wasn't enough. She might even try to destroy the blade.

"It's amazing what [Superman] is capable of but [Henry's] a slightly more down to Earth version of the character," he told Total Film Magazine. "I don't think he can hold up a continent... Superman has been broken for a little while."

This is what Zack Snyder says. Note he says I don't "think" and "continent". Additionally:

There are plenty of smaller tectonic plates that are not as big as continents. The newspaper headline is therefore not debunked, and any one of those tectonic plate would be WAY above anything in MCU strengthwise. The smallest plate there, Juan Fernandez, weighs 992,000,000,000,000,000 Tons (992 Quadrillion). Avg Depth 3000m, 10^5 km^2 area. Oceanic Crust density. Anyways...

Why do you keep straying off topic? I am specifically and ONLY addressing a decapitating sword swing. That's it. My point was if Diana hit Hela like Hogun did with the mace then Hela would be dead. That's it. He did not hit armor, he hit skin, on her head. I don't care to talk about any other scenario. You are suggesting Hela's regen is Literally instantaneous which is absurd. I will reiterate that a HUMAN swing takes 0.006 seconds to slice through a neck/head, let alone a swing from an extremely strong and FAST Demigod.

@crunch5481: You know tectonic plates move in response to heat.

What are you even trying to say? Tectonic plates move because they're floating on magma, and the magma has currents.

@crunch5481: Ihttps://www.futurity.org/tectonic-plates-earth-core-1339162-2/#:~:text=For%20decades%2C%20scientists%20have%20theorized,core%20also%20drives%20plate%20dynamics. Do your research

You made the claim, you provide the evidence. It is not my job to validate your claim. That is a logical fallacy.

Your point has literally nothing to do with my original post from 2 weeks ago. And this source literally says the heat contributes greatly to the mantle flow which is why the plates move, "Heat from the base of the mantle contributes significantly to the strength of the flow of heat in the mantle and to the resultant plate tectonics.” In simpler terms, the current (flow) moves the plates. And the flow is strengthened by heat gradients.

Aquaman may struggle. Flash, Batman, Cyborg easily get their stuff done. WW won’t beat Hela but she can fend her off long enough.

Even with Superman I don’t think they can take down Surtur.