616 Thing and Iron Fist vs Composite MCU Villain: Deathmatch to The Death

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#1 Edited by ProfessorRespect (8926 posts) - - Show Bio

Rules

Thing and Iron Fist are bloodlusted, as well as their foe

MCU Composite has the powers of every existing villain in the MCU (apart from IG Thanos and ya boi Dormammu, the rest is fair game)

The Composite has 5 minutes of prep time in a standard science lab

Danny has the Iron Fist, and Ben is at his physical best

Takes place in New York, with each guy starting at the end of a street

No outside help, win by Death only

Takes place on a unbreakable planet (but can still be surface wiped)

Bonus round- Luke Cage and Human Torch decide to join the action, while the Composite gains the assistance of a DCEU Composite and CW Amazo to assist it

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#3 Posted by baph (2951 posts) - - Show Bio

Thing solos

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#4 Posted by johnsmjs36 (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

So, a being that has the power of a Celestial, God, Titan, Ultron, Abomination, Dormammu and Surtur against Danny Rand and The Thing.

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#5 Posted by ProfessorRespect (8926 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnsmjs36: Idk what you mean by "God" as there's no equal to TOAA in the MCU.

I wouldn't say the Celestials were villains but that's just me

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#6 Posted by Kevd4wg (14345 posts) - - Show Bio

If Dormammu and Surtur are fair game, then I don't really see the point of this.

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#7 Posted by ProfessorRespect (8926 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg: How many durability feats does Dormammu have again?

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#8 Posted by johnsmjs36 (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

@professorrespect: I meant the species. Wgo is a celestial and Asgardias are gods so. Ego and Hela are villains.

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#10 Posted by Soratoumiga (5571 posts) - - Show Bio

Imagine using that tag list

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#11 Posted by Chad_Duby (6047 posts) - - Show Bio

Thing solos.

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#12 Posted by deactivated-5d4e40f44920a (1048 posts) - - Show Bio

Ben solos.

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#13 Posted by uugieboogie (13770 posts) - - Show Bio

How does the composite villain NOT stomp? A composite of Hela, Surtur, Maw, Kaecilius, Ego, Loki and Thanos should be more than enough. And if you add in some of the villains from tv series like AoS this is spite.

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#14 Posted by TheVVitchKing (1397 posts) - - Show Bio

Villain stomps with hax seems like people here are talking out of their asses

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#15 Posted by FireStarLord73194 (5796 posts) - - Show Bio

AOS Izel possessing flint tosses Ben into orbit. Or graviton can do it too

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#16 Edited by SupremeGeneration (13003 posts) - - Show Bio

Beck's illusions (hah y'all slept on da boii) + Surtur's sword + Kaeclilalalala's magic + maybe Maw's TK should deal here. Hurting Ben will be the hardest thing, but Surtur'll get the job done.

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#17 Posted by destinyman75 (15972 posts) - - Show Bio

Hela, is.MVP here for the villians winning. along with Surtur ego etc

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#18 Posted by ProfessorRespect (8926 posts) - - Show Bio
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#19 Posted by eri123 (7427 posts) - - Show Bio

Villains

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#20 Posted by King-Ragnar (5189 posts) - - Show Bio

Weak bait

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#21 Posted by Toratorn (8572 posts) - - Show Bio

Ben fingerflicks, Iron Fist can one-shot as well.

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#22 Posted by Kevd4wg (14345 posts) - - Show Bio
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#23 Edited by ProfessorRespect (8926 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg: Why are you asking me when I obviously can't say yes or no?

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#24 Posted by Kevd4wg (14345 posts) - - Show Bio

@toratorn said:

Ben fingerflicks, Iron Fist can one-shot as well.

How are they one-shotting Ego

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#25 Edited by Toratorn (8572 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg: considering these parts of OP:

The Composite has 5 minutes of prep time in a standard science lab

Takes place in New York, with each guy starting at the end of a street

Takes place on a unbreakable planet (but can still be surface wiped)

It seems like composite isn't planet sized like actual Ego and is supposed to be human-sized. So one-shotting it won't be troublesome.

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#26 Posted by Kevd4wg (14345 posts) - - Show Bio

@toratorn said:

@kevd4wg: considering these parts of OP:

The Composite has 5 minutes of prep time in a standard science lab

Takes place in New York, with each guy starting at the end of a street

Takes place on a unbreakable planet (but can still be surface wiped)

It seems like composite isn't planet sized like actual Ego and is supposed to be human-sized. So one-shotting it won't be troublesome.

So then wouldn't it just be the durability of a moon compressed into a human sized figure

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#27 Posted by Thor_Parker82 (16729 posts) - - Show Bio

How are they putting down Surtur combined with Hela and Ego ? Plus Beck's illusions which Ben and Danny have no way of knowing what's real and not, they get impaled by Surtur's sword.

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#28 Posted by tanhausergate (417 posts) - - Show Bio

People are forgetting that this composite being would also be an entire dimension as well ?. I’ve read maybe 40-60 FF comics, but I’m not aware of Ben ever punching his way out of a cosmic entity without form. Danny is a non factor here with all of those powers Ben either gets BFred or tormented by hax

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#29 Posted by blackspidey2099 (7132 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly Graviton is enough to solo Ben + Danny.

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#30 Posted by EcstaticGrace (7395 posts) - - Show Bio

A MCU celestial destroyed a planet. Not to mention the bad of certain character like popping out your astral forms

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#31 Posted by ProfessorRespect (8926 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg: Yeah the Composite is a humanoid, otherwise it'd be some weirdo planet sized face on fire while also having the chin of Thanos

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#32 Posted by Kevd4wg (14345 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg: Yeah the Composite is a humanoid, otherwise it'd be some weirdo planet sized face on fire while also having the chin of Thanos

So how does Ego work

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#33 Posted by ProfessorRespect (8926 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg: For the sake of my sanity, we'll just say that it has Ego's matter manip but he doesn't has the durability of the entire planet (cuz that would be dumb if he doesn't have the mass of the planet yet still had the durability of it)

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#34 Posted by ProfessorRespect (8926 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: Wait, which characters can use astral forms? Last I heard it was only Strange and Ancient One

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#35 Posted by Cergic (1318 posts) - - Show Bio

What new feats from Thing?

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#36 Posted by johnsmjs36 (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually, killing humanoid Ego is a bit difficult. As long as he has energy or his brain isn't hurt he will endlessly reform.

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#37 Posted by Noone1996 (13094 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay so Ego has the durability of a moon, but was in agony and blown apart from Starlord's blasters. Surtur has "multi-mountain leveling" durability because he no-sold shockwaves, but was casually pierced by Hela's blades (same ones that didn't one-shot or damage that refugee Asgard ship) and was taken back by Hulk's blitz. Graviton never TK'd anyone as strong as Thing (who could overpower it easily). The Celestial is featless without the power gem. Mysterio's drones get one-shotted by a thunderclap which ends the illusions immediately. This composite character has no durability or striking power anywhere close to beating Ben.

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#38 Posted by jashro44 (55271 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay so Ego has the durability of a moon, but was in agony and blown apart from Starlord's blasters. Surtur has "multi-mountain leveling" durability because he no-sold shockwaves, but was casually pierced by Hela's blades (same ones that didn't one-shot or damage that refugee Asgard ship) and was taken back by Hulk's blitz. Graviton never TK'd anyone as strong as Thing (who could overpower it easily). The Celestial is featless without the power gem. Mysterio's drones get one-shotted by a thunderclap which ends the illusions immediately. This composite character has no durability or striking power anywhere close to beating Ben.

I never watched agents of shield but shouldn't MCU Graviton be able to just make Ben weightless? Or did he not show the ability to do that? Just looking at his power set on paper he should be able to BFR Ben pretty easily and send him floating into space and just leaving him to die.

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#39 Posted by ProfessorRespect (8926 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: For the record, Graviton has done that but it was only once tbf

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#40 Edited by Eredin12 (1381 posts) - - Show Bio

Let's make a few things clear

Surtur no solled mountain chains busting attack that is blunt force durabiltiy, Hela cuting him is pricing durabiltiy, not blunt force and Hela blades have easily cuted that big ship like paper and that ship no solled gravity of neutron star, the gravity of neutron star can atomize almost anything even planets, its not black hole level but Ben would get atomized in a like fodder he is , even superman would probably get killed by it , it was said black hole would easily kill him so using that logic Hela blades are solar system level and yes they easily cuted that ship like paper so they damaged it

And hulk never hurt Surtur he only moved his head, 616 cap did same with 616 Thanos, that has nothing to do with durabiltiy and is becase of weight and Surtur was not braced for it and agian that has nothing to do with him being hurt, same is how thor was put on his ass by a thrown ball at slow speed and superman was put on his ass by random human bumping into him

So mcu chracter has Surtur durability, Surtur speed( Surtur is nearly high hypersonic in combat, he can easily, for example, move his sword from above of his head to ground in half of second and he is confirmed to be 3 km that is mach 20 combat speed and he has easily turned his head just as fast as Hulk and easily reacted to Hulk before Hulk could move few meters and Hulk was moving at hypersonic speed in that jump ), so it would be nearly impossible for Thing to tag him, Colossus can mach Thing and even Thor has blitzed him and mocked him and said that Colossus is as slow as old montian troll whatever that means is not compliment

he would be statue and would bet blitzed with ease and would be nearly impossible for him to tag MCU Chracter with combat speed of Surtur and agility and skill of super solider( Bucky,..) and shockwaves are at speed of sound so he should easily dodge it given his speed and agility, he also has Ego constant regeneration as long as his brain is not hurt and they are not fighting at planet ego so Thing cannot even kill him, he will just reform

the only problem is hurting Ben but Surtur casuall mountain chain busting attacks should do it, or sword that vaporized Hela or black hole granade from Kurse that can create the singularity that can atomize kurse( literally turn him into atoms) with ease, that would one-shot Ben with ease, atomizing of a normal human is city-level + level feat level and above nuke and kurse is billions of times more durable than normal human , atomizing is milions of times better than vaporizing somone, thor, for example, could not even scratch Kurse and Thor is multi-city blockbuster with Mjolnir , so Thing needs to be thousands of times above Thor to vaporize Kurse with single punch and milions of milions of times above that to atomize him and he is neither

So mcu vilian has few ways to win this

1. Black Hole granade that created the singularity that atomized kurse

2. Surtur powers and he easily vaporized Hela and she is more durable than Thor

3.Constant Surtur attacks and even casuall his attacks are multi mountain chains busting

4. He can easily BFR Thing becase Thing is basically staute here, this chracter has combat speed of Surtur and Quicksilver who was vilian as well, just not the main one and has the magic of Kaecilius, and given the fact that His opponent has the strength of Surtur and flight he can just BFR Thing for win that way of just with magic and we have Graviton so he can help with that as well his powers are instant he can just lift Thing before he can brace himslef he does not weight much does he , and then drop him into portal and close it like it was already said

5. One shot him with power gem( Ronan accuser ), power gem is plent buster or at least surface buster so it can easily one-shot Thing

6. Also, What is thing pricing durabiltiy

I am not saying that MCU chracter win 100 % , i am just making case and waiting for somone to post feats that prove that Thing can tank those attacks and beat MCU chracter( i would appreciate if scans are not some outliers from 30 years ago or him tanking attack from Galactus ) , So it would be good if somone can post Thing feats instead of saying he stomps or solos

So far i mentioned 5 ways of how mcu chracter can win

also if we will lowball Surtur then Thing was afraid to jump from a building and was having a hard time with Rhino who got stomped by 616 Cap and could not even tag him and spiderman can hurt Rhino all the time

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#41 Posted by ProfessorRespect (8926 posts) - - Show Bio

@eredin12: Haven't these arguments been debunked before?

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#43 Edited by Eredin12 (1381 posts) - - Show Bio

@professorrespect:

Not as far as i know but i would like if you can show me

Also, how can you debunk the truth?

Thing is a statue to Quicksilver if Cap cannot even see Quicksilver and is complete statue and iron man is a statue in mid-flight as well and his flight was at least subsonic then Thing is statue as well and he is sure as hell would get blitzed by Surtur who is mach 20 in combat and other things are pure facts

1. Was Hela vaporized?

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Yes she was

2. Was kurse atomized and turned into nothing?

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Yes he was

3. Did Surtur no solled those shockwaves?

Yes he did

4. DId MCU Chracter show speed and strength to BFR him?

Surtur alone has thrown Hulk 6 kilomters in one second with enough force to crack Bifrost( it takes 10 full power swings from Thor with Mjolnir to do that) and nearly knock Hulk out meaning that Hulk would go much further if he did not hit Bifrost)

so Yes he did but he does not need it, mcu character can do it with Graviton powers and Magic portals I hope i dont need to post those obvious things

5. did power gem vaporized surface of the planet in 2 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MbotKHrBn0

Yes it did

6. What is Thing pricing durability?

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#44 Posted by TheSpartanB345T (5230 posts) - - Show Bio

Mysterio solos.

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#45 Posted by TheSpartanB345T (5230 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay but actually...

We have:

Loki, Ultron, Thanos, Surtur, Hela, Ego, Kurse, Malekith, Destroyer, Mysterio, Strange's villain, Kilgrave, Hive, Ghost Rider, and Graviton.

Tons of ways to win.

The composite has enough durability to survive for a bit, has illusions that can ensure that they don't know where they are (from both Mysterio AND Loki) and easy ways to BFR and hax (wizard bois) and nearly instant regen of anything (Ego) and a sword that can bust entire country-sized planetoids (Surtur) and amazing TK (Graviton) and decent physicals (all) and also mind control that the team has never resisted (hormone-based TP from Kilgrave.)

They stomp. Even if the immediate "kill each other and then yourselves" from Kilgrave fails, they can't tag him due to illusions, since Loki+Mysterio can really make their lives hell. A direct stab from Surtur (which they can't see) should kill them both. Even if they do hit the villain, the villain regens instantly. Also, a black hole grenade should definitely at least phase Grimm temporarily.

So the team stomps hard.

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#48 Edited by Eredin12 (1381 posts) - - Show Bio

@thespartanb345t:

Good answer but I only disagree about this

Also, a black hole grenade should definitely at least phase Grimm temporarily.

I disagree he gets completly obliterated with ease, MUCH weaker attacks would one-shot Ben

Here singularity atomized Kurse, turned him into atoms, into nothing

That is milions of times better than vaporizing somone( turning him into smoke), Kurse is superior to Thor and was no selling his attacks, Thor himself can tank Sokavia exsplosion that vaporized 2 kilometers of the landmass that is above nuke, that is montian level feat, Thor tanked it without scratch and was only knocked out but there was no blood from him and this turned Kurse into nothing who is superior to Thor, Unless we use heavy outliers like him tanking Galactus attacks he is geting destroyer here like paper

You need to argue that Ben is trillions of times of stronger than MCU Thor who could not even phase Kurse with his attacks to tank this

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#49 Posted by TheSpartanB345T (5230 posts) - - Show Bio

@eredin12: Scaling Thor's durability doesn't work at all.

Kurse is stronger and better against Thor specifically in combat, sure, but nothing indicates that his durability is higher.

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#50 Edited by Eredin12 (1381 posts) - - Show Bio

@thespartanb345t:

Kurse was no selling Thor punches, i am pretty sure that he is more durable but even without that, him no selling Thor punches is more than good enaugh for this

Ben gets wrecked with ease by singularity, that is the main point