616 Spider-Man vs Batman Rogues Gallery

While mostly fodder, the team is still too much, especially with prep.

Let's go over who's actually important here:

N52 Joker- Completely useless with just 30 minutes of prep. This Joker needs at best a few days to work any magic.

Penguin Riddler, Two-face, Bane, Ra's Al ghul, Catwoman Harley Quinn, Black Mask, Solomon Grundy Hugo Strange Prof. Pyg - all fodder.

Poison Ivy- Too inconsistent to be considered a relevant factor here. She needs more prep time.

Scarecrow- He could do something, but he's a glass cannon and needs a very well planned sneak attack.

Clayface- The only one here who can actually fight the duo for a good bit. Can be exposed rather easily through, has a lot of weaknesses.

Mr. Freeze- Could do something, if he tags anything.

Killer Croc- He's not gonna do anything to Wolverine. He slashes his face off.

Firefly- Good at low end AOE's and environmental destruction, good for distractions. Not good at taking a punch through.

Mad Hatter- He's actually pretty underrated with his advanced mind tech, but without detailed prep, he's not gonna do anything.

Peter wins...especially after the aunt may thing.

Spider-Man should win due to May death

they killed aunt may and kidnapped his ladies ivy is his only threat with prep to counter poisons and such and with the mind set he will be in he will run through the lot in like 10 to 15 minutes and were talking human bodies being mutilated it will be a nasty site

Aunt May murdered while Gwen & MJ kidnapped? lol.

Peter KO's every single unenhanced human with ease. Imo battle comes down to Peter vs. Grundy, Clayface, Killer Crocs & Mr. Freeze. Peter gains an upper hand in prep due to higher intellect (although Mad Hatter can be a problem).

Battle could go either way, depends mainly on how the villains teamwork. Peter has always been able to hold his own against the Sinister Six. If the teamwork sucks, Peter probably has the edge.

lol Peter stomps. Those villains have no clue of the hell that will be unleashed upon them.

Half the people here are fodder. It also doesn't help that they killed Aunt May, Spidey will destroy them.

Spider-Man murders them

Parker stomps half of the team is fodder in this situation,make it emperor Joker and composite versions for the team and spidey gets murked

he might be pretty irrational and not be thinking straight due to his family being abducted and killed, but Peter still pretty much destroys this team.

85% of these guys are fodder and are getting a hole punched through their chests.

Team wins cause Grundy + Clayface + Mister Freeze.

Basically this

ok I extend the preparation to 3 hours.

Grundy can be the deciding factor here, depending on what his powerlevel is, however I will assume that this isn't at his best so Spidey should win here.

If it was no prep Spider-Man would pretty much lose and Also some versions of Grundy stomp Spider-Man

With prep I don’t really see him losing.

Yep Spidey probably starts taking faces like superior did to Scorpion lol.

Well after the op changed for the villains to have 3 hours of prep i could see grundy or clayface winning this.

Rogues are relative to the hero. That is why Superman can't fight Flash rogues without plot saving both of them (he either moonbusts them or get haxed to death), or why Flash can't fight GL rogues (he either blitzes or get nuked from orbit)

With Spider-Man and Batman, the difference is simply that Spider-Man is superior in every way imaginable to Batman rogues. With powers that prevent him from even being surprised or sniped. It's a perfect curbstomp

@stealthgrey: pretty sure May's death would cause him to not hold back and just start literally knocking peoples heads off lmao

Team.

Spidey

Spidey watches while Wolverine solos.

Peter.

If hes bloodlusted and they did something as hilariously stupid as killing May, they can't even perceive him before he rips them in half.

Depends on how much and what Peter does with that half hour. Most of the people here are fodder, with really only Pamela and Basil as the biggest threats. He’d have to utilize that prep time to deal with them, and he might only be able to choose one of them. That being said, I think if he chooses Basil but takes out Pamela first, then he and Logan should sweep. Pissed off Spider-Man is an unholy sight lol

Was going to say Team until I saw this (below), Spidey wins.

Team hired by Norman Osborn to kill the Spider-Man, fyi prior to the battle they mercilessly killed Aunt May and also kidnapped Gwen and MJ to lure Peter out.

Nu52 Grundy was going toe to toe with Alan Scott and the Nu52 JSA??? How are Peter and Logan going to beat him? Especially with the team he has backing him

Didn't Grundy also get soloed by Batman in h2h tho

So folks, given the OP stips. Just how crazy is a bloodlusted Spidey?

It's established that Spider-Man holds back a lot of his actual strength when fighting guys because he doesn't want to kill them. Way back in the classic run he boxed Flash with just a hint of his super strength and almost killed him.

The one time that Peter did go all out in a strike against a human, he killed them instantly, through it was by accident (he intended the punch for Wolverine) it kinda shows how vicious he can be.

Another example was right after Ock had taken over Peter's body, he got into a fight with the Scorpion, who is usually placed around or equal to his strength level, usually as a physical equal to him. He throws a punch that he thinks is normal and it takes Scorpion's jaw off completely, and he then realises just how much he holds back against his supervillains.

There's also that infamous threat that he gave to Kingpin that he would shoot webbing down his throat and watch him die via suffocation, so that's erm, a nice way to kill dudes quickly

@professorrespect: that’s not Nu52 Grundy, That'd be Rebirth Grundy

Considering how inconsistent Grundy is anyway (inconsistency I might add that is on purpose) idk if we can place him at a single tier without knowing what other feats he has

@professorrespect: agreed but if this is strictly Nu52 Grundy and his feats then he stomps

Bloodlusted Spider-man with prep and Wolverine?

Villains get crushed.

Spiderman rips them apart and then uses Parker Particles to deatomize them lol.

Spidey.

He could kill most in a single punch. Chucking in Logan, and having them kill Aunt May is overkill.

Same as everyone else. Ivy, Clayface, Mr. Freeze, and Ra's are the only threats. They're not enough considering the massive speed difference.

If Wolverine ever visited Gotham for a week then Bruce would be able to take a year off. The guy is a killing machine who'd clean up the streets no problem. Spidey doesn't need him for this though.

Okay so this is basically a morals off Spider-Man since he has morals off the team should have two advantages those two being the fact that with no morals Peter will want to straight up fight them and not just web them up and the other being numbers. But if you give Spider-Man prep even basic prep then he’ll know enough about these guys basically enough to know which ones to not rush them and to which ones to fight tactically so with prep he most likely will rush most. N5w joker, Penguin, Two face, Riddler, Harley Quinn, Catwoman, Black mask, Ra’s, Pyg and Hugo strange are all Irrelevant here since he out classes all of them heavily and will probably just web them up and beat them up later or something but tbh either way if spidey goes in full blazing then he’ll still destroy them. Bane also might as well be irrelevant because Spider-Man is stronger than him And faster with better agility. Freeze’s gun will be either webbed up or Spider-Man punches freezes helmet off. Krocs gonna get knocked out. since spidey has prep and spidey sense He’s gonna see scarecrow coming from a mile away and know to keep his distance and destroy him same with Ivy. Grundys way too inconsistent so he might as well be irrelevant too. You maybe could argue a point for mad hatter but with even basic prep Pete will know not to look at his clock or whatever and he wouldn’t be stupid enough to look at his clock after hatter told him too since he’s not playing any games. He’d webzip to firefly and destroy him. And clay face well he’s the only one who may take it but judging from the fact that Pete has taken on and beaten characters like Sandman and Hydroman then Pete would probably figure out a way to beat clayface Especially with Preparation. IMO with at least morals on it would be more fair since it would make him hold back or Pete without prep cause he’d probably just go in guns blazing but with prep Spider-Man will just be more tactical blood lusted or not even with basic knowledge of all of them he still should outclass all of them except one maybe two in strength but that’s not enough to beat him, he destroys like 99% of these people only maybe losing to clay face probably even figuring out some way to beat him. Spider-Man wins 9/10 Times the only way he may lose under these conditions is if he can’t figure out a way to beat Clayface or if you pick a Solomon Grundy that can trade hits with Superman but he’s way too inconsistent of a character to really even put in forums. So yeah Peter wins 9/10 times.

Parker slaps

So these are the villains. Almost all of them are fodder, so I ruled them out.

• Joker
• Penguin
• Riddler
• Two-face
• Bane
• Ra's Al ghul
• Catwoman
• Poison Ivy
• Harley Quinn
• Black Mask
• Solomon Grundy
• Scarecrow
• Clayface
• Mr. Freeze
• Killer Croc
• Hugo Strange
• Firefly
• Mad Hatter
• Prof. Pyg

Croc, Bane and Grundy are outclassed in strenght, and a lot of these characters are martia arts based and I don't see Peter having a problem. Freeze and Firefly are also out since they are projectile based, and Peter has his spider-sense so he could easily dodge their stuff. Mad Hatter and Scarecrow won't get the opportunity to hypnotise or induce him, since this is a bloodlusted Peter. Peter has dealt with Sandman before so I don't see Clayface being a problem.

That leaves us with Poison Ivy. She would actually be hard to counter, but Batman can beat her and with the spider-sense Peter would too I think.

Peter solo's, he doesn't even need Wolverine. Tbh, Wolverine would already solo half of these characters

Clayface actually has the potential to solo

Unless spidey whips up something he can’t really do anything

Rogues murderstomp, Croc solos, Bane solos, Ivy solos, Ra's solos, etc. I can't think of any characters who don't solo.

@lord_god: You're kidding.

Blitz

You must be joking.

@stealthgrey: get rid of Wolverine, and make spidey in character to make it for fair for the team