616 Quicksilver VS CW Speedsters

616 Pietro Maximoff

CW Reverse Flash, Zoom & Savitar

Rules:

Knowledge is basic

Time travel isn't allowed

Victory by Death or KO

Location: Star City, 50 feet apart

Round 1: In-Character

Round 2: Bloodlusted

The CW Speedsters stomp

Been a way long time since I watched CW Flash. Are these guys nuke statue tier or are they way sub-lightspeed tier?

@cocacolaman: It's sorta unclear for Savitar and Zoom. In a chase/fight scene in 5x08, a past version of Zoom from 2x18 was portrayed to be as fast as current Barry. Granted, it could have been that Barry was slowing himself down to protect Nora (his much slower daughter who was with him at the time), but I'm still iffy on that whole explanation personally.

Other than that, though, we have no real indication of how Savitar or Zoom should scale to current Barry or other speedsters like Jay, Bart, etc. who are all seemingly close to as fast as Barry by now.

As for RF, we know for certain that he's way outclassed by Barry now, as seen in 7x18, during which Barry literally statues RF while he's using his speed. (Of course, the scaling is still a little wonky there, just prior to this RF was keeping up with amped Godspeed who was supposedly superior to Barry at that point so idfk really)

The team takes it.

Bump.

Quicksilver curbstomps lol. Zoom/Savitar are fodder and even if I scale Thawne to Flash he’s slower than peak quicksilver.

Quicksilver beat the crap out of them

Either CW solos.

Bump.

QS one-shots here.

Proof?

He is fast

nah I won’t go that far but Barry is a jobber and they scale so like. Idk about some of QS’s feats though but right now I’m thinking he wins due to that one radio wave feat

QS is not as fast as the trio here are.

Also this is just incredibly weak reasoning: a single feat involving radio waves that guys like Graviton have also done despite being far slower means virtually nothing in the grand scheme of things.

You do realize said I’m still thinking

Not sure how is weak when I’m referring to a feat but ight

CV at its best

@cryolancer47: Since you know more about CW than me what are Barry’s best striking feats?

Quicksilver is overrated, team takes it.

hol up right there

@lazerbeak: It's weak because you are using it as a inference for legitimacy in terms of QS being a level or two above the team (which is typically why you pick out such a feat in the first place as a example) when far slower characters have replicated the feat already.

Yes, it is "CV at its best" because it's just bad logic generally.

He has some pretty decent strength & striking feats/scaling:

Strength/Striking:

These are a few I could find. Credit to @olubummo for the feats.

I hope this helps.

@cryolancer47: Most of these are booty but I think the main issue is that they don't really need to hit hard to beat QS given he's isn't superhuman in durability whatsoever.

This feat is pretty insane, even if we don't consider RF scaling to S4+ Flash.

@cocacolaman: That's Speed-Force imprisoned Savitar

@professorrespect: Did he really get much slower after getting out of it?

@cryolancer47: would he replicate that feat quicksilver did to apocalypse? Where he was punching him multiple times then put him back. Oh and does he have damage Output to hurt Thor?

He lost his ability to enter in and out of it and as a result became about the same speed as S3 Barry given their later encounters.

Which Quicksilver? Fox Quicksilver? I think any could replicate the feat he did to Apocalypse.

But he doesn't really need to hurt them with his regular punches. He can just phase Thor's brains out if Barry is bloodlusted and not hindered by PIS/Jobber-Force.

@cryolancer47: CW speedsters are overrated, QS stomps.

Bump.

Isn't Quicksilver trash level in terms of speedsters? CW speedsters should win fairly easily if they don't job like they do 99% of the time

@sonofmadara: No, QS has gotten some good feats this past decade.

Not trash but no one thinks highly of him for a reason

Quicksilver has outran time and dimensions, he stomps ∞/10.

Did that once when amped, lost it after Wanda brought him out of that state later on. Isn't applicable here.

616 quicksilver is light lvl speedster?yes?

@omnisage: He didn't do it "twice" at all lol, how is that even a accomplishment when the best known instance was him amped in No Surrender? Seems a bit silly to apply it as a consistent medium when he hasn't reached that again. Also you didn't give any citations so for I know this is just unfounded Quora-tier presuming.

No he isn't.

He isn't what? He isn't light speed?

Yea

Quicksilver gets fucked

I mean if you get tagged by Thor Slowdinson you have no right to call yourself a speedster tbh

@omnisage: He didn't do it "twice" at all lol, how is that even a accomplishment when the best known instance was him amped in No Surrender? Seems a bit silly to apply it as a consistent medium when he hasn't reached that again.

Exactly, "No surrender" is the "best known", not the only one

So where's the other one then? Because No Surrender was him amped, so it wouldn't really count all things considered.

Also you didn't give any citations so

Am I suppose to give you a citation? are you a mod

Well....yeah? If you have a claim, you have to prove it with, well, evidence, otherwise every debate on the site would just be people going "yeah" or "no" to the other endlessly. You don't have to be a mod to ask for evidence, it's a pretty basic thing in debates.

for I know this is just unfounded Quora-tier presuming.

That's your problem, that's all you do! When it comes to me getting a scan you presume I either get it from Quora

That's not "all" I do given I have been on the site for about 5 years or so and done a bit more than that. That being said, I can assert that they came from Quora because the links generally come from there. Not a bad thing by itself, but Quora is somewhat well known for bad takes and a lack of creditability because of that fact, so the two generally come hand in hand.

Anyway give citation etc

Even with all the scans that show he is?

@omnisage: he is as fast as radiowaves ,as i know.Or may be i mistaking