616 Loki runs a Marvel/DC Sorcerers' gauntlet

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#1  Edited By TheDevil98

Loki:

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Gauntlet:

1: Agatha Harkness

2: Enchantress(DC)

3: Enchantress(Marvel)

4: Scarlet Witch

5: Zatanna

6: Raven

7: Clea

8: Circe

9: Dr Strange

10: Dr Fate

RULES:

Morals off.

Random encounter.

616 and Post Crisis->Current BASE versions(no amps)

Win by death, KO, incap.

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#4  Edited By cosmoman

@thedevil98: Thank you for the tag~~ (Excellent battle per usual!)

OT: Haven't seen anything from Loki that seriously impressed me, YET. Zantanna has stacked feats so I don't see him getting past her. He isn't seeing Raven or Fate for sure.

@rajjarsalt: Loki is your boy, what you thinking fight wise here?

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@rajjarsalt I havent seen much from loki in the comics what do you think

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#6  Edited By rajjarsalt

@cosmoman: IIRC End of Defenders Beyond, Goddess of Stories Loki merged with King Loki of Jotunheim. Current Loki has demonstrated such powers in later titles, so I'll say they clean house.

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@rajjarsalt: This is base Loki at regular power levels. Not merged with GOS Loki

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@rajjarsalt: LMFAO Loki solos DC universe confirmed😎

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@cosmoman said:

@thedevil98: Thank you for the tag~~ (Excellent battle per usual!)

Thanks! What do you think about the gauntlet order?

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@rajjarsalt: This is base Loki at regular power levels. Not merged with GOS Loki

Would that even be current Loki?

circa day before yesterday:

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@rajjarsalt: If that current Loki has GOS powers then obviously this whole thread would be a mismatch. So no

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#14  Edited By rajjarsalt
@thedevil98 said:

@rajjarsalt: If that current Loki has GOS powers then obviously this whole thread would be a mismatch. So no

Fair enough. I completely agree.

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#16  Edited By cosmoman
@thedevil98 said:

@cosmoman

Thanks! What do you think about the gauntlet order?

The Gauntlet order is great!! Very balanced, I would have Raven a bit higher but I understand why everyone is in the place they are, Dr. Fate at the top is 🤌.

Also BIG sorry for the wait, work is nonstop so my hands are tied. Lunch isn't for another hour *sigh*

Off-topic, but: Someone is throwing it back pretty hard on Loki saying he Solos DC. I'd say Psycho Pirate level, Avatar of Finite Darkseid:

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Or Mordru giving Zantanna the power to rip out of comics. Unkindness Raven really would solo Marvel though given she effected the Omniverse.

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@cosmoman: IIRC End of Defenders Beyond, Goddess of Stories Loki merged with King Loki of Jotunheim. Current Loki has demonstrated such powers in later titles, so I'll say they clean house.

Bruh, I swear the Asgardians are getting back to back amps. It's insane. If merged came through on base Versions of these guys they'd all die.

I get your POV, Merged Loki needs to be in more fights.

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@thedevil98: Order's kinda off. The following is simply my opinion: morals-off Raven could easily top the gauntlet, Zatanna shouldn't be above Wanda, Clea and Strange honestly shouldn't either due to Wanda's raw power being much higher. That would also mean Fate coming down a little. Pretty sure Enchantress should be higher as well.

In any case, he could stop as early as DC's Enchantress, but given Raven's current position, he definitely stops there.

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@boutatakeanl: Not sure about that certainly Loki is well beyond even base levels over Enchantress. Uber Raven and Circe are the only real threats to Loki here. And if this is GOs Loki who has multiversal feats he can clear regardless given what he did in Beyond realm and TOAAs realm.

Circe magic vs magic IS better overall but GOS hax MIGHT OVER run her not sure there. Raven OP Raven I don't think she beats This Loki. Circle hectate power is the one Loki should be worried about

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@boutatakeanl: Not sure about that certainly Loki is well beyond even base levels over Enchantress. Uber Raven and Circe are the only real threats to Loki here. And if this is GOs Loki who has multiversal feats he can clear regardless given what he did in Beyond realm and TOAAs realm.

Circe magic vs magic IS better overall but GOS hax MIGHT OVER run her not sure there. Raven OP Raven I don't think she beats This Loki. Circle hectate power is the one Loki should be worried about

I'll be honest, I don't know much about current Loki. Haven't kept up with him in a few years, probably a few decades even. He never struck me as a potent sorcerer. He gets his dangerous magic from prep. I was basing my answer off dated knowledge, so take that for what it's worth.

GO sounds like an amp, and if it's not, I'd hardly consider putting up a multiversal being vs. these guys. Raven has certain versions that can push multiversal, same with Fate and maybe Zatanna, but that's really it.

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@thedevil98: Order's kinda off. The following is simply my opinion: morals-off Raven could easily top the gauntlet, Zatanna shouldn't be above Wanda, Clea and Strange honestly shouldn't either due to Wanda's raw power being much higher. That would also mean Fate coming down a little. Pretty sure Enchantress should be higher as well.

In any case, he could stop as early as DC's Enchantress, but given Raven's current position, he definitely stops there.

And when was it stated that wanda has more raw power than strange? And zatanna being above wanda is correct, she has the raw power and skills, i'll even put her above raven, everyone keeps using unkindness like it's her base version, raven current position is still raven.

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stops definitely at 4

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@cosmic_reign said:

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Thoughts on the gauntlet order?

Better answer than what I could've given... 👇😎🔥

@cosmoman said:

The Gauntlet order is great!! Very balanced, I would have Raven a bit higher but I understand why everyone is in the place they are, Dr. Fate at the top is 🤌.

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#28  Edited By BigBaby

Gauntlet is out of order. Agatha and Wanda should be above Zatanna, and Strange trumps Fate. Stops at four.

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@bigbaby said:

Gauntlet is out of order. Agatha should be above Zatanna, and Strange trumps Fate. Stops at four.

Enchantress should be much higher as well etc

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#30  Edited By cosmoman

Nah, Dr Fate >> Dr. Strange (Was responding with ^ to respond to the post above Prof. Couldn't care less about either enchantress)

I'd put Strange barely above Scarlet Witch on average and in the Canon crossover this is how they compared Dr. Fate to SW:

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@cosmic_reign said:
@thedevil98 said:
@cosmic_reign said:

👀

Thoughts on the gauntlet order?

Better answer than what I could've given... 👇😎🔥

@cosmoman said:

The Gauntlet order is great!! Very balanced, I would have Raven a bit higher but I understand why everyone is in the place they are, Dr. Fate at the top is 🤌.

You always make me smile Cosmic Twin~~ 💜💜

Your answers are second to NONE and insta Cosigns by me lol!! Btw, level three on that Cosmology comparison is incoming 😎. Gonna be huge, I'll tag you~ 🔥🧊

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@bigbaby said:

Gauntlet is out of order. Agatha should be above Zatanna, and Strange trumps Fate. Stops at four.

Enchantress should be much higher as well etc

I can see that when accounting for her physicals, yeah.

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#32  Edited By BigBaby

@cosmoman:

I'd put him barely above Scarlet Witch on average and in the Canon crossover this is how they compared Dr. Fate to SW. Lord's of Order >> Chthon as a power source:

Ok, no. As someone who´s familiar with Wanda and Chthon, the scan posted is already a source out of question because it states a sentence obviously untrue to those familiar with the entity. It tells us that ´Wanda calls upon Chthon for power´, when she was only blessed with the ability to tap into Chaos Magic, not given the ability to serve as a conduit for his own affinity to the magic.

Other mortal shells have literally restricted Chthon from using his full power because their physical delicacy can't sustain his power, to the point where they´re only temporary vessels, and die later on. The logic of Wanda always using his power, and somehow surviving unscathed is already a big flaw in your argument, and measuring him through her to make a faulty comparison with the Lords of Order is quite ridiculous, provided so much time has elapsed from that crossover, as new lore cements Chthon as one of the most powerful magical entities; with chaos magic predating the void and starting all creation even before the Phoenix Force.

Also, Strange goes clapping entities more powerful than him, and I don´t know why you think another person wielding a comparable level of magic to him is something significant in battle.

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#33  Edited By cosmoman
@bigbaby said:

Ok, no. As someone who´s familiar with Wanda and Chthon, the scan posted is already a source out of question because it states a sentence obviously untrue to those familiar with the entity. It tells us that ´Wanda calls upon Chthon for power´, when she was only blessed with the ability to tap into Chaos Magic, not given the ability to serve as a conduit for his own affinity to the magic.

Other mortal shells have literally restricted Chthon from using his full power because their physical delicacy can't sustain his power, to the point where they´re only temporary vessels, and die later on. The logic of Wanda always using his power, and somehow surviving unscathed is already a big flaw in your argument, and measuring him through her to make a faulty comparison with the Lords of Order is quite ridiculous, provided so much time has elapsed from that crossover, as new lore cements Chthon as one of the most powerful magical entities; with chaos magic predating the void and starting all creation even before the Phoenix Force.

Also, Strange goes clapping entities more powerful than him, and I don´t know why you think another person wielding a comparable level of magic to him is something significant in battle.

I'm sure you're quite the expert on Wanda, certainly more than me, but not higher than DC and Marvel. That is a direct breakdown of JLA/Avengers, you may think it's flawed (that comic has it's inaccuracies for sure) but it's canon.

Also, they created the character, and they say Word for Word "Call upon the chaos magic of Chthon". The Lord of Order Magic in general > Chaos magic in general is what it's saying. Even if we go with what they say being inaccurate, it's as close a comparison than we'll ever get. That's why I brought it up.

You're logic is flawed. Wanda surviving being Chthon's vessel doesn't mean much given Dr. Fate doesn't draw from her power source so her being Superior to fodder that draws from it is a non factor, and waste of words given she's never shown those adverse effects when channeling him directly... Has she expert? Furthermore, Scarlet Witch draws upon Chaos magic, Fate draws upon the Magic of Order not the entity themselves. Long story short, the Base energy is higher for Order than for Chaos magic of Chthon, if you disagree with that it's on you. Chthon was always been powerful there is no "New Lore" that magically raises him past what he already was. An elder God of the highest order, always been that.

Bruh, the entities strange "Claps" don't compare to beings Dr. Fate has matched, I mean by actual feats not head-Canon scaling or statements. By Raw feats, Fate would smack Strange.

Sorry for the wait, I'm not getting notifications. Didn't see my Twins either (😟🧐) until later, if I respond late it's not on purpose.

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Wrong/Questionable order imo, but as it is it might stop at current Wanda or most points past that.

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Gauntlet is kinda out of order.

I would put zee and Raven above clea, that has clea even done and Wanda below Agatha.

Whatever though stops at zatanna.

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#36  Edited By dami24434

Is Loki using his Gos mode ? If so he stomps everyone at once, as he is the avatar of the one above all, basically stated to be the story teller by the one above all himself for the entire marvel cosmology in defenders beyond finale issue

Otherwise he stops at raven

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