616 Cap vs MCU Cap arm wrestling. Who wins?

MCU Cap is stronger

MCU

MCU.

This has already been done, dozens of times. Move along people.

By feats I’m not actually sure what makes MCU Cap stronger.

There is no comparison, MCU Cap is a meme at this point.

616 Cap

616

616 Cap breaks MCU caps arm in the process total stomp.

Its mostly intent. MCU Cap is intended to be 3+ tonner based on Russos statements. I don't think 616 is supposed to be anywhere close.

It’s funny because MCU Cap does in fact win. He can lift at least 2-5 tons which is a lot more than his 616 counterpart

yep, this is 616 Cap.

^^based on that 616 cap with one finger

@rbt: I’ve actually seen a few feats from 616 Cap that would call that into question two of which have been posted here.

The Hulk one I’m of course not taking seriously, however the shield throwing through a tank turret is sufficient for a win here and it isn’t inconsistent either, he’s also thrown his shield hard enough to catch up to and slice a missile.

He even has a helicopter feat. Now the helicopter in question was indeed smaller than the one in TWS, but Cap pulls it down with one arm and seemingly no effort so that again should be enough.

@socajunkie: I mean, the vibranium shield probably plays a massive role in cutting through metal as it does. Same in case of MCU Cap. Ultron could casually no sell 7.62 rounds and the shield easily penetrated Ultron's armor.

He even has a helicopter feat. Now the helicopter in question was indeed smaller than the one in TWS, but Cap pulls it down with one arm and seemingly no effort so that again should be enough.

I have seen the scan and yes, the chopper was pretty small. However, as I said, its not about feats really. I'm sure if someone calcs 616 Cap's boulder or concrete debris feat, it probably surpasses the helcopter feat. But that wasn't my point. Its about intent. I don't think 616 Cap is supposed to be a 3+ tonner even if he has a couple of feats here and there that might put him on that level.

@rbt: Feats > author intent tbh

If we have to be stick to feats, they're equal, that's because a lot of 616 Cap strength feats are in the 2-3 tons range on average, BUT, the concept around 616 isn't to make him a 2-3 tonner but the best peak human of his universe*. MCU Cap on the other hand, have a different concept, authors wanted to have a character which is really a 3 tonner, they really wanted their own Ultimate version, indeed MCU Cap strength feats are more consistent. So, it's all about concept.

*It's not even completely true, because the concept about 616 Cap to be the best peak human in Marvel was made just in 1982

I don't think 616 Cap is supposed to be a 3+ tonner even if he has a couple of feats here and there that might put him on that level.

That's because 616 version is around for decades, a ton of different authors worked on him, some of them had a different interpretation about him, and just some of them gave to him some crazy strength feats, but that's happen with, literally, all comic book characters, for example, if Spider-Man was still the same version of the original, so Stan Lee version, he wouldn't even be a 10 tonner now.

Both at their best or even on average I would have to side slightly with 616 Cap.

I think strength wise I have it:

AA > Ultimate > 616 >= MCU

Cant remember much of EMH Cap.

Here's some feats for 616 Cap in the more recent years.

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To say MCU Cap is stronger than 616 Cap because 616 Cap is "peak human" isn't the best argument. Peak human varies from verse to verse, and MCU Cap was actually stated to be the peak of human potential in the WS Museum scene.

To say MCU Cap is stronger than 616 Cap because 616 Cap is "peak human" isn't the best argument.

Would be nice if Marvel decide to put a new official strength level for peak human strength, more in the 1-3 tons range.

1. A peak human in one verse isn't a peak human in another verse.
2. Feats > Intent

Intent > feats (though I'm surprised to see RBT of all people arguing for that, lol), and I don't think MCU Cap is intended to be as strong as 616 Cap.

616 Stomps even if you added MCU Bucky to help he would stomp both of them in arm wrestling at the same time.

616 Cap would most likely be written to win

@eredin12: KoL is a comic writer though, so his intent = author's intent and he's always right. He even posted that he'd write 616 Cap to win right above you - see?

Well like others have said

Feats >> Intent.

What is peak human anyway? Peak humans in marvel are practically super human to us. It’s clear peak human is just a term to describe characters at the lowest of the power scaling scale.

Peak humans in marvel can send each other flying

@dmnb2wavy:
Feats definitely aren't >> Intent. Without intent there is no feat

Not sure what you mean by this. Can you better explain what you mean? because you can have feats without statements or a concept.

In a universe where characters are written by many authors, we should say feats are more important than concept, this is where 616 Cap live. On the other hand, MCU Cap is written basically by just two authors, so the concept is more important for him. To say 616 Cap can win we should take a specific version of 616 Cap, because he wasn't always described as strong as MCU version or even better. So, depending with the author, 616 Cap can win or lose actually. I think no one can argue that, Classic Cap lose badly against MCU Cap, on the other hand, the current version of Cap in comics is somewhat, close to MCU version.

Lol it was always funny that 616 is supposed to be peak human.

Not only a peak human but he wasn't the strongest one, Classic Kingpin was always a lot stronger than him, but everything changed in 1982, when Kingpin was depowered a lot.

@alexander505:

I think no one can argue that, Classic Cap lose badly against MCU Cap

Some of Cap's best strength feats were from the classic times.

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• Punching Burnside Cap's bulletproof shield in half
• Resisting winds that were uprooting trees and sending cars flying
• Deflecting a cement tower top thrown by a super gorilla with a kick

He is more inconsistent and probably does lose, but not "badly"

the current version of Cap in comics is somewhat, close to MCU version.

He's not just "somewhat, close." You could make a decent case for either being stronger.

He's not just "somewhat, close." You could make a decent case for either being stronger.

We should better say that, not for every writers 616 Cap is strong as MCU version. As I said, if we make a calc, 616 Cap has strength feats in the 2-3 tons range (thank decades of feats), so, for him, feats >> concept. MCU should be at the same level.

Oh look, another thread were LA wankers don't know shit about comics.

@eredin12: That was a outlier.

@karkus: Has anyone done a full on 616 Cap respect thread yet(New feats included)?

@joker567892: I also thought so, but in-universe and in Spider-Man's own film, even Stark basically said he would bet on Cap over Peter in a fight (of course, before Peter's spider-sense upgrade). Ironman also got to fight a not holding back Cap and has data on him. Skill alone wouldn't allow Cap to win the way he did, although it played a crucial part.

@joker567892:

Not really an outlier when he threw an equally heavy motorcycle to destroy a Truck.

@crater_maker: Its not him throwing Ultron, it's the pillar, I've posted a image of what happens when a Car hits a pillar(It doesn't even crack).

@rebake: Spidey was able to casually catch a punch from Bucky's metal arm. He's much stronger than Cap.

MCU Cap is way too strong. 616 Cap gets beaten really bad by Ultron Bots without his shield. While MCU literally fodderizes them.

He is far more impressive physical feats without the shield. Now if we are talking about who can throw the shield harder and faster. 616 Cap destroys MCU in that category. But in terms of pure physical strength MCU Cap has him beat.

@eredin12: How is the jeep Bullet proof and Grenade proof?

@mee09: They are Diffrent versions, Ultron bots in 616 continuity are probably way stronger than MCU Ultron bots.

I'm pretty sure 616 Ultron bots are more powerful than MCU Ultron bots.