5 kages vs. The renewed Team 7(Read OP please)

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Naruto is NOT allowed to enter his Bijuu mode or Kcm2 he is only allowed his regular Kcm mode(The one we see during the Itachi and Nagato fight)

Sakura has access to the 100 healings jutsu

Sasuke does not have access to Jugo's Curse mark

Who wins and why

Round 1: In character

Round 2: Bloodlusted

Bonus: Sakura vs. KCM Naruto and Ems Sasuke individually

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KCM Naruto takes care of Raikage, Sakura takes care of Tsunade or atleast holds her off while Sasuke solos the other three Kage.

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@rabii99: You think Sakura can hold off Tsunade? That's like saying Lee can hold off Guy.

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Kage mid-high diff

Sakura is a non-factor here (sure, she can go hold off Tsunade because Tsunade is also a non-factor) and Sasuke is borderline featless with EMS, especially without help from Naruto/Jugo. Naruto MIGHT be able to solo purely because of the speed gap, but it's a stretch considering he just barely reacted to raikage 1v1

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Hashirama acknowlegded Sakura's strength tho

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Hashirama acknowlegded Sakura's strength tho

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Was waiting for someone to bring this up, anyway this makes no sense seeing how Hashirama died before he even saw Tsunade in her prime.

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@nogoodtsuna2: Yeah she's strong but she's never done anything with that strength against Kage level characters (don't try to say tagging Kaguya wasn't PIS). Her best feat is killing a buch of zetsu iirc

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#9  Edited By Kalebsmarty156

@skysanji: Sakura does in fact have better strength feats than Tsunade... that's a fact.

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#10  Edited By Kalebsmarty156

@anomalous: Sakura feats>>>Tsunade feats.

Naruto outright dodged a point-blank punch from raikage at his fastest.

Sasuke with MS while heavily fatigued (I think) was keeping up with V1 raikage.

EMS Sasuke is much stronger than MS so he definitely has a shot at soloing.

OT: Sakura one shots Tsunade. Better physicals.

Sasuke solos since no one on that team is dodging or surviving a Susanoo arrow (besides Tsunade) who he finishes off with black flames.

Edit: Sasuke can just use a black flame susanoo arrow and one shot that way.

Naruto stomps with multiple clones and rasenshuriken.

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Sakura is way > Tsunade.

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#12  Edited By Anomalous

@anomalous: Sakura feats>>>>Tsunade feats.

Brute strength isn't the only consideration. Tsunade taught Sakura literally everything in her arsenal and has decades of battle experience on her.

Naruto outright dodged a point-blank punch from raikage at his fastest.

Barely dodged. Literally inches away from his face. If this was coming from behind Naruto without warning, let alone while he's busy fighting other people, it's not at all crazy to assume it'd connect

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Sasuke with MS while heavily fatigued (I think) was keeping up with V1 raikage.

Wouldn't say "heavily fatigued". He did a lot more fighting after that.

EMS Sasuke is much stronger than MS so he definitely has a shot at soloing.

What makes you think that? Just the fact that he has EMS must mean he's "much stronger"? Because by feats he isn't. EMS Sasuke's feats are basically MS Sasuske's feats. The only difference is he isn't slowly going blind.

OT: Sakura one shots Tsunade. Better physicals..

Yeah if she stands there pretending she doesn't know exactly what Sakura is capable of, sure.

Sasuke solos since no one on that team is dodging or surviving a Susanoo arrow (besides Tsunade) who he finishes off with black flames.

Better hope he fights out of character, instantly pops susanoo and shoots Onoki or else he's getting vaped with particle style (like he was about to at 5 Kage summit until Obito saved him).

Naruto stomps with multiple clones and rasenshuriken.

It's a viable strategy, but definitely wouldn't be a stomp. If he doesn't immediately go for a blitz then Onoki, A, Gaara and possibly Mei can all potentially finish him.

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Team 7 stomps. EMS Sauce blitzes any of these kage individually and Ohnoki and Gaara are the only real threats. I'm tempted to say Sasuke solos. Make it MS Sauce and then we have a fight.

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@kalebsmarty156 said:

@anomalous: Sakura feats>>>>Tsunade feats.

Brute strength isn't the only consideration. Tsunade taught Sakura literally everything in her arsenal and has decades of battle experience on her

Feats are feats.

@kalebsmarty156 said:

Naruto outright dodged a point-blank punch from raikage at his fastest.

Barely dodged. Literally inches away from his face. If this was coming from behind Naruto without warning, let alone while he's busy fighting other people, it's not at all crazy to assume it'd connect

Dodging a bullet point blank is vastly more impressive then dodging a bullet from a distant so the feat is impressive.

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Sasuke with MS while heavily fatigued (I think) was keeping up with V1 raikage.

Wouldn't say "heavily fatigued". He did a lot more fighting after that.

Some what fatigued then.

@kalebsmarty156 said:

EMS Sasuke is much stronger than MS so he definitely has a shot at soloing.

What makes you think that? Just the fact that he has EMS must mean he's "much stronger"? Because by feats he isn't. EMS Sasuke's feats are basically MS Sasuske's feats. The only difference is he isn't slowly going blind.

Can spam amaterasu.

Can use a full body susanoo.

His precog is much better.

Overall his visual prowess is much stronger...

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OT: Sakura one shots Tsunade. Better physicals..

Yeah if she stands there pretending she doesn't know exactly what Sakura is capable of, sure.

Except she doesn't since when Sakura used 100 healing mark Tsunade was to busy healing the kages from the aftermath of fighting madara.

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Sasuke solos since no one on that team is dodging or surviving a Susanoo arrow (besides Tsunade) who he finishes off with black flames.

Better hope he fights out of character, instantly pops susanoo and shoots Onoki or else he's getting vaped with particle style (like he was about to at 5 Kage summit until Obito saved him).

Ohnoki particle style isn't tagging Sasuke.

Susanoo arrow is underrated tbh.

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Naruto stomps with multiple clones and rasenshuriken.

It's a viable strategy, but definitely wouldn't be a stomp. If he doesn't immediately go for a blitz then Onoki, A, Gaara and possibly Mei can all potentially finish him.

Gaara isn't doing anything.

Raikage isn't tagging Naruto. Not to mention Naruto wasn't even trying to fight raikage.

Ohnoki isn't tagging the raikage who isn't tagging Naruto.

Mei is fodder

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Oh round 2 is a mismatch.

Naruto legit blitzes and one shots with a miniature tailed beast bomb. No need for the others.

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Forgot about the bonus. Sakura gets wrecked by either.

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@anomalous said:
@kalebsmarty156 said:

@anomalous: Sakura feats>>>>Tsunade feats.

Brute strength isn't the only consideration. Tsunade taught Sakura literally everything in her arsenal and has decades of battle experience on her

Feats are feats.

What speed feats put Sakura above Tsunade?

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Naruto outright dodged a point-blank punch from raikage at his fastest.

Barely dodged. Literally inches away from his face. If this was coming from behind Naruto without warning, let alone while he's busy fighting other people, it's not at all crazy to assume it'd connect

Dodging a bullet point blank is vastly more impressive then dodging a bullet from a distant so the feat is impressive.

My point stands. Just because you can dodge a bullet while you're paying full attention to it doesn't mean you can dodge a bullet while you're juggling 4 torches

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Sasuke with MS while heavily fatigued (I think) was keeping up with V1 raikage.

Wouldn't say "heavily fatigued". He did a lot more fighting after that.

Some what fatigued then.

It's pointless to bring up if we can't quantify it. Just like a character being "healthy". Different people will assign different value to it so it's worthless in an objective debate.

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EMS Sasuke is much stronger than MS so he definitely has a shot at soloing.

What makes you think that? Just the fact that he has EMS must mean he's "much stronger"? Because by feats he isn't. EMS Sasuke's feats are basically MS Sasuske's feats. The only difference is he isn't slowly going blind.

1. Can spam amaterasu.

2. Can use a full body susanoo.

3. His precog is much better.

4. Overall his visual prowess is much stronger...

  1. But he still doesn't in character.
  2. which by feats is no more durable that a completed half-body. Just more mobile
  3. Based on ? Another "just bcuz it's EMS" claim I guess
  4. Again, if there are no feats to back that up (there aren't) then you can say it all you want but it doesn't make it true
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@kalebsmarty156 said:

OT: Sakura one shots Tsunade. Better physicals..

Yeah if she stands there pretending she doesn't know exactly what Sakura is capable of, sure.

Except she doesn't since when Sakura used 100 healing mark Tsunade was to busy healing the kages from the aftermath of fighting madara.

Gee, I wonder who taught her that technique. I bet she discovered it all on her own without help from a mentor :^)

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@kalebsmarty156 said:

Sasuke solos since no one on that team is dodging or surviving a Susanoo arrow (besides Tsunade) who he finishes off with black flames.

Better hope he fights out of character, instantly pops susanoo and shoots Onoki or else he's getting vaped with particle style (like he was about to at 5 Kage summit until Obito saved him).

1. Ohnoki particle style isn't tagging Sasuke.

2. Susanoo arrow is underrated tbh.

  1. It absolutely can. It was more than fast enough at 5 kage summit and Sasuke is barely if at all faster with EMS. Bee ~= Itachi >= EMS Sasuke. Bee > MS Sasuke
  2. How so? Danzo reacted to it, Kakashi reacted to it, he couldn't aim it for shit against naruto, and it only worked on Kabuto because he shot for the tip of his tail rather than directly at him.
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Naruto stomps with multiple clones and rasenshuriken.

It's a viable strategy, but definitely wouldn't be a stomp. If he doesn't immediately go for a blitz then Onoki, A, Gaara and possibly Mei can all potentially finish him.

1.Gaara isn't doing anything.

2. Raikage isn't tagging Naruto. Not to mention Naruto wasn't even trying to fight raikage.

3. Ohnoki isn't tagging the raikage who isn't tagging Naruto.

4. Mei is fodder

  1. He caught edo Madara with his sand and you're delusional if you think KCM Naruto is out of Madara's league in speed
  2. Again..... HE ALREADY ALMOST TAGGED NARUTO IN THE MANGA 1v1. Of course he has a chance if the circumstances are different.
  3. Did you actually forget the entirely of 5 Kage Summit and war arc or?
  4. Except she literally melted susanoo and attacks almost as fast as A
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@anomalous: just give me a sec. I'm on mobile so when I qoute it takes a long time.

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@skysanji said:

@rabii99: You think Sakura can hold off Tsunade? That's like saying Lee can hold off Guy.

yeah, Sakura's physical strength feat is well above any of Tsunade's and it

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Her regen is better than Tsunade's seeing as how she was outregening a TSB rod and those things disasemble on a molecular level.

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So yeah, she can hold back Tsunade.

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@anomalous: Sakura feats>>>Tsunade feats..

OT: Sakura one shots Tsunade. Better physicals.

What? Tsunade feats >>>>> Sakura feats

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@earendill: I disagree.

Tsunade best physical feat was staggering Madara's susanoo.

Sakura punch is far more impressive.

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@earendill: I disagree.

Tsunade best physical feat was staggering Madara's susanoo.

Sakura punch is far more impressive.

Tsunade is the one who didn't die when his neck was cut when his body was split in two.

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@earendill: What does that have to do with physicals?

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Team 7 stomps, EMS Sasuke could solo. For that matter one of Naruto's clones beat the Third Raikage and he can make dozens of them so numbers are far less of a mitigating factor than they might be.

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Team 7 mid diff.