Cyclops, Colossus, Storm and Wolverine vs the 4 main FF.
- Random encounter
- Basic knowledge
- Takes place in a junkyard
- In character but serious
- Perfect teamwork
- Win by any means except bfr
- Start 50 ft apart
4 X-Men vs Fantastic Four
@ginman333 said:
@fffan: Interesting on the recent one-shot. I am unfamiliar with that. Was there any context? Scans? That doesnt feel right. They have always been on pretty similar grounds historically.
Honestly, I don't know if you can consider this a One-Shot. To me my understanding of a One-Shot is a character getting hit by a attack and the result is them being KO'ed.
@tiredofdissheet said:
@ginman333: @mooty_pass: Colossus was hit and then magically disappeared for the rest of the fight, and wasn't seen fighting either Johhny, Ben or Reed. In fact, Ben was later fighting Gambit and Wolverine, and Colossus was nowhere in sight then or when Sue woke up. That's the definition of "one-shot".
That is not the definition of a "One-Shot"
"He was punched in the face and was nowhere to be seen for the rest of the fight, when Ben was shown fighting Gambit and Wolverine. He was one-shot."
-Colossus was not One-Shotted. You have no proof that Colossus got knocked out. Because right after he got punched Gambit started his assult on Ben. So, exactly how do you know exactly that Ben One-shotted Colossus? You don't. Because Sue Richards woke up.
"He was running away from X-Men, so of course he would be knocked off-balance from the blast. Fact is, he was completely unhurt, and his suit being singed a little doesn't really mean anything."
Fair Enough.
"Everything in the room was hit by Storm's lighning, including Psycho-Man, equipement and Johhny."
No, that's not true at all. The Comic that User: fffan is referring to is Black Panther(2005) Issue #32:
-Here Ben drops due the Collar placed on his Neck. And his Enemy get's Blasted by Lightning. This is what the User was referring to.
By Issue #34 Ben gets hit again by what looks like an Electric Attack.
-Judging by the Electric Attack it seems Strong enough to at least cause him some form of pain.
Now lets compare that attack to what Storm did in that very same issue with her Lightning.
I'm willing to bet that Ben Grim would most likely get knocked out.
"He was hurt by a random monster who only appeared in this issue. Monster who has no feats besides blasting Ben and making him scream in pain, and then getting one-shot when he blasted him again. This is not applicable to Storm in any way or form."
The user claimed that Ben can tank Storm's Lightning and cited an issue where he couldn't tank a random monsters lighting. And you're going to defend this users point by saying it's not applicable??? That is a ridiculous claim.
"Ben managed to tank lightning from Mjolnir and was only winded a little, and shrugged off an electric attack from Blitzianna, who made Thor himself scream from pain with her shocks. Storm's lightning, for comparison, was shrugged off by both Thor and his weaker clone Ragnarok. She is not hurting him and definitely not beating him."
Ok, so with this comment here it sounds like you don't really know the people Storm has actually harmed with her lightning. I'll give you list:
Hulk, Adaptoid(Red-Hulks Powers), Silver Surfer x2, Stardust, Colossus, Iceman, Classic Dr.Doom, War-Machine, Guardian(Leader of Alpha Flight), Khan, Sebastian Shaw, Sauron, Gah Ran(Outworld Alien), Arkon(Outwrold Native), Wendigo, Dracula, Classic Evil Rogue, Terminus, Darkstar, Human Torch.
Many of them has some pretty good durability. The fact that Storm was able to hurt them with her lightning says something. So as I said before. If Storm were to hit Ben Grimm with Lightning like I said he would drop.
"And yet he tanked a blast from bloodlusted Cyclops. Reed managed to survive getting hammered by bloodlusted Thor (even though he was KOed), he can definitely survive and tank that."
Can you post scans of that please? Because what your claiming is not really believable when Reed has been hurt by less things before.
"He wasn't knocked out, only hurt a little, and was literally shown to be alright on the next panel. Their suits were only made to defend them from telepathy, not from physical attacks (showcased perfectly by the fact that Sue was KOed)."
"There really is no context to most of this stuff."
Actually, there is if you read those stories. Because the Human Torch makes a statement he was fighting pale copies of the originals.
And if you going to sit there and try to defend a statement like that makes me question if you even read those stories.
@tiredofdissheet said:
@ginman333:he can. Colossus is not close to the power level at which Ben operates outside of occasional outliers.
@waitomegastorm: Storm is not fast enough to affect Sue before she rises her shields and pops a bubble around her head (which is something she does in character, unlike Storm with her synapse frying).
yes she is fast enough to attack her as both use their powers at the speed of thought, and regardless of that the point is that in a fight between Sue and Storm, it would not be an mismatch as they could both beat each other.
Also, Ben, even when he didn't have the time to get a breath, managed to last 3 pages against Air Elemental that tried to suffocate him without blacking out. If he does get a breath, he can survive without additional air intake for an hour, and there's no way for Storm to force it out of him if he keeps his mouth shut. All he needs to do is grab a random object and lob it at Storm, and she is down for the count. Also, another guy had tried to short out Ben's nervous system when he was weakened, and it didn't work, so Storm won't be able to do that either (disregarding the fact that she doesn't do that in-character).
I would like to see Ben's fight against the air elemental and also if this air elemental is on the same level as Storm, and I would like to know how many feats Ben has that can show that he is able to prevent someone who manipulates the air in Storm level, and he closes his mouth she pulls the air through his nose lol.
she used this type of attack recently:
And it's not what happened in CoC. She didn't deprive him of oxygen, she pinned him with winds and then let the building fall on top of him. Which wouldn't work because a) he is much faster than her, and she would never do that if he wasn't screwing around and b) because, as I already described, he was literally in the middle of a hurricane that overpowered and knocked Namor out and his flames were not affected.
she put it in a micro tornado that created a vacuum and removed the oxygen and finally dropped the building on top of him.
she is able to create micro F5 tornadoes, he can be faster than her at travel speed but as i said her powers are activated at the speed of thought and this is enough, Storm is not as slow as you think.
and Storm can increase the strength and speed of her winds so don't try to say that any hurricane would be on the same level as a hurricane that Storm could do.
and it was already indicated before that Torch would need oxygen to keep his powers active:
I'll need proof that Storm ever had heat resistance, and if she did, that she didn't have it back then. After you proof that, I'll need proof that she has heat resistance adequate enough to withstand Torch's flames. Which is a loaded request, since I am 98% sure her resistance is nowhere near close enough to tank Torch's heat.
here some feats:
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