Who wins?
3 eyed juubidara vs. EoS naruto
He's known as the strongest Shinobi to ever have existed.
No he's not.
God Tree Madara? The one that is suppose to be stronger the Hagoromo? Madara I would think. To bad we never seen him fight.
Kaguya > GT Juubidara > Hagoromo > Naruto
where was it stated? gt juubidara is beyond hagoromo? nowhere.
God Tree Madara? The one that is suppose to be stronger the Hagoromo? Madara I would think. To bad we never seen him fight.
Kaguya > GT Juubidara > Hagoromo > Naruto
where was it stated? gt juubidara is beyond hagoromo? nowhere.
Madara was already stated to be close Hagoromo before the God Tree. Logically a God Tree amp would have him surpass Hagoromo.
God Tree Madara? The one that is suppose to be stronger the Hagoromo? Madara I would think. To bad we never seen him fight.
Kaguya > GT Juubidara > Hagoromo > Naruto
where was it stated? gt juubidara is beyond hagoromo? nowhere.
Madara was already stated to be close Hagoromo before the God Tree. Logically a God Tree amp would have him surpass Hagoromo.
it was said he was "trying to get close to me" im pretty sure. i doubt theres anybody out there that thinks madara without the godtree is stronger then hagoromo.
Madara was already stated to be close Hagoromo before the God Tree. Logically a God Tree amp would have him surpass Hagoromo.
Its a mistranslation its stated he was attempting to reach Kaguya and Hagoromo's power which he obviously didn't as even post god tree Madara got blitzed and chopped in half by Rinnegan Sasuke before he could use Kamui to escape
That was One Rinnegan Madara that Sasuke sliced in half. Not even 2 Rinnegan Madara, let alone 3.
The last exchange Madara had with Naruto & Sasuke, was sending them both flying with a single finger after stabbing Sakura.
As for the mistranslation, I didn't know that.
Two Rinnegan Madara still handled Naruto, Sasuke & Sakura at the same time.
So even if we go by that logic.
Kaguya > Hagoromo > Two Rinnegan Juubidara > Naruto & Sasuke > One Rinnegan Juubidara
He's known as the strongest Shinobi to ever have existed.
No he's not.
He is. This is common knowledge within the Boruto series. Iwabe called Naruto "The strongest Shinobi in all of history" which would make him stronger than Madara. Do keep in mind that the Boruto series is oversaw by Kishimoto so this is basically a Word of God statement that can't be disregarded, especially when the feats speak for themselves.
Juubidara negs all versions of Naruto with IT. Sasuke even said Naruto would have been fucked without his Susanoo.
Naruto and sasuke=One rinnegan madara<<<3 rinnegan madara. Their u go
Are you blind or usually just blurt out untrue Headcanon statements on a regular ?
Teen inexperienced Rinnegan Sasuke wrecked 1/2 Rinnegan Juubi Madara POST TREE. With his limbo already sealed had he not stolen Kakashi’s Sharingan and used Kamui Sasuke turned Madara into a pile of juubi gray gum trying to regenerate only to get sealed
EMS Sasuke rushed to blind Madara but blind madara was too fast to even get tagged by Sasuke. Madara doesn’t just let people cut him in half on purpose.
sasuke is clearly faster n stronger here for him to cleave his body in two casually.
@notcensored: There is nothing that would indicate that Naruto > 2 Rinnegan Madara (let alone 3)
Like I said, 2 Rinnegan Juubidara sent Naruto flying with one finger. No effort what so ever. That's all we have to go by.
Now if you want to going to say Adult Naruto > 3 Rinnegan Juubidara, then I agree.
I'm not going to get into Hagoromo because there are a lot of variables and it's confusing.
Madara
1: Sharingan (MS & EMS)
2: Rinnegan (7 Paths & Limbo)
3: Rinnesharingan (Infinite Tsukuyomi & Divine Forest Emergence)
4: Juubi (Chakra Pool, TSB, Bombs, High Speed Regeneration, Physical & Spiritual Rikudou Energy)
5: God Tree (Physical Immortality)
6: 7 Elements & Forbidden Jutsu's
Naruto
1: Kyuubi (Chakra Pool, Bombs, Regeneration)
2: Physical Rikudou Energy (TSB, Life Force, Physical Enhancement & Flight)
3: Nature Energy (Ashura Trasformation)
4: 7 Elements & 9 Bijuu's Chakra Essence
Conclusion: ?
Like I said, 2 Rinnegan Juubidara sent Naruto flying with one finger. No effort what so ever. That's all we have to go by.
Like I said thats a completely false claim cause that same Madara got stalemated by Naruto not two minutes later
I'm not going to get into Hagoromo because there are a lot of variables and it's confusing.
50% of his power was keeping up with Kaguya so there is no way Madara is near him in any shape or form which is all that i want to get across
I wouldn't exactly call holding off a bunch of limbo clones weaker then the real Madara & an acquiring Sasuke's help to destroy a bunch of Chibaku Tensai , "stalemating"
To be fair. It was 50 % Hagormo's power stacked on top of enormous power Naruto already had to begin with.
3 Rinnegan Madara could have fared against Kaguya better then Naruto for all we know. All we have to go by is Sasuke's statements. And it's not Sasuke fought that version of Madara long enough to know the true depths of his power. It's all hype.
It's kind of impossible to scale 3 Rinnegan Madara to Kaguya because we don't have any feats. of Madara's to go by except for him finger flicking Naruto & Sasuke really far away.
Double MS Kakashi with no time limit might honestly be a better match up for 3 Rin Juubidara because of all of his hax abilities.
@wushu59: It was indeed a stalemate.
Limbo clones are stated to be equal to the user and Naruto shadow clones were some what on par with them as the limbo clones were locked in battle with them and couldn’t one shot or disperse Naruto shadow clones.
Honestly Naruto could’ve gotten ridden of all of Madara meteors by himself without Sasuke help, as he only threw one TBB Rasenshuriken the first time then decided to throw 6 more in the midst of Madara performing IT.
Also we forgetting super TBB Rasenshuriken
Naruto and sasuke=One rinnegan madara<<<3 rinnegan madara. Their u go
Are you blind or usually just blurt out untrue Headcanon statements on a regular ?
No you misinterpret the manga fam
Teen inexperienced Rinnegan Sasuke wrecked 1/2 Rinnegan Juubi Madara POST TREE. With his limbo already sealed had he not stolen Kakashi’s Sharingan and used Kamui Sasuke turned Madara into a pile of juubi gray gum trying to regenerate only to get sealed
Bro sasuke does not scale to madara he was litterly slapping him arounf and need Narutos help to do anything and sasuke didnt he attack while he's putting obitos eye in PAY ATTENTION and stop wanking
EMS Sasuke rushed to blind Madara but blind madara was too fast to even get tagged by Sasuke. Madara doesn’t just let people cut him in half on purpose.
sasuke is clearly faster n stronger here for him to cleave his body in two casually.
I already addressed this madara was not on guard. By hagromoms statements madara is stronger thats why he amp both Naruto and sasuke so they can stop him
I wouldn't exactly call holding off a bunch of limbo clones weaker then the real Madara
The Limbo clones are equal to him
& an acquiring Sasuke's help to destroy a bunch of Chibaku Tensai , "stalemating"
He didn't require Sasuke's help but he's not going to tell Sasuke to do nothing his whole character arc in the war is learning to stopping trying to do everything himself and cooperate with others, he could have just done the same thing by making more clones anyway, the only reason they needed to deal with the meteors isn't even because they were a threat to them but because it would kill the Alliance
To be fair. It was 50 % Hagormo's power stacked on top of enormous power Naruto already had to begin with.
It would be like nothing though the gap between Kurama Mode Naruto and Kaguya is huge, you can just see what 50% of his power amped Naruto to and put a 2x on it
3 Rinnegan Madara could have fared against Kaguya better then Naruto for all we know.
Which he has no showings or statements to suggest that
All we have to go by is Sasuke's statements. And it's not Sasuke fought that version of Madara long enough to know the true depths of his power. It's all hype.
He can literally see chakra why would he not know how strong Kaguya is compared to Madara? its also basic author intent for him to convey to the audience how strong Kaguya is
It's kind of impossible to scale 3 Rinnegan Madara to Kaguya because we don't have any feats. of Madara's to go by except for him finger flicking Naruto & Sasuke really far away.
He never finger flicked anyone if he did it would be the height of outliers as a much stronger Kaguya couldn't do anything remotely in the same vein to Naruto
^Naruto kicked off his Limbo and Sasuke took a hit from one (which he blocked and was unaffected by) that was all that happened Naruto was more concerned with Sakura than he was about attacking Madara or his clones
Double MS Kakashi with no time limit might honestly be a better match up for 3 Rin Juubidara because of all of his hax abilities.
DMS Kakashi (who's literally just Six Paths Obito amping Kakashi) can't beat anyone on that tier he lacks the stamina and all of them know how to counter Kamui Naruto was dodging multiple 1 shot abilities Kaguya before he even knew what they did and Madara has a similar level of pre-cog though slower than Naruto himself by the data books statement not to mention he has extremely good regen to the point that he could just tank everything Kakashi threw at him and Naruto is legitimately a better match up for Madara because he has the necessary stuff to counter him unlike Kakashi who's only option is BFR which he's too slow to pull off against Madara
Equal ability doesn't mean equal mean in strength. It just means they have the same jutsus/technique. That's always been the case through out the series
He literally does finger flick them with his index finger in the anime. Watch the episode.
Naruto had his hands full with limbo clones and chibaku tensai. He did need Sasuke and his perfect Susano in that situation. Otherwise they would have just attacked before Madara could cast the Infinte Tsuiyomi.
Sasuke reading charka doesn't mean anything.
For example. Kisame has the most chakra out of any Akatsuki member. Dose that mean Kisame would beat any Akatsuki memeber. No, it doesn't.
Obviously Kishimoto, would have Kaguya have be more powerful then Madara. She's the final boss.
@wushu59: It was indeed a stalemate.
Limbo clones are stated to be equal to the user and Naruto shadow clones were some what on par with them as the limbo clones were locked in battle with them and couldn’t one shot or disperse Naruto shadow clones.
Honestly Naruto could’ve gotten ridden of all of Madara meteors by himself without Sasuke help, as he only threw one TBB Rasenshuriken the first time then decided to throw 6 more in the midst of Madara performing IT.
Also we forgetting super TBB Rasenshuriken
Naruto and Sasuke were defeated when they hid under Susanoo. Nothing was stopping Madara from obliterating them with juubiballs while they were hiding
Naruto unless it's Ashura Mode, isn't beating 1 Eyed Madara as Naruto himself stated. How is he beating Madara with another Rinnegan and a Rinne-Sharingan? The answer is he can't.
Equal ability doesn't mean equal mean in strength. It just means they have the same jutsus/technique. That's always been the case through out the series
Taijutsu are techniques and clones are always relative in strength to the user regardless unless its a Water Clone
He literally does finger flick them with his index finger in the anime. Watch the episode.
Why would I care about a non-canon adaptation? The Manga > The Anime
Naruto had his hands full with limbo clones and chibaku tensai.
Its called making more clones
He did need Sasuke and his perfect Susano in that situation.
He quite literally doesn't if he needed more help he could always make it himself
Otherwise they would have just attacked before Madara could cast the Infinte Tsuiyomi.
They didn't even know Madara was casting IT
Sasuke reading charka doesn't mean anything.
Top tier counter
For example. Kisame has the most chakra out of any Akatsuki member. Dose that mean Kisame would beat any Akatsuki memeber. No, it doesn't.Obviously Kishimoto, would have Kaguya have be more powerful then Madara. She's the final boss.
This is different when it comes to Six Paths and Bijuu Chakra which straight up correlates to stats
Okay. Fair points.
But I just took the time to rewatch the Kaguya fight in it's entirety. And Naruto doesn't really hold his hold against Kaguya like you seem to imply. It's more like he was fighting to survive. There were 3 different occasions he where was saved.
1. He was trapped in ice. (Sasuke had to use Amaterasu & Kagutsuchi to thaw himself & Naruto out)
2. Kaguya intensified the gravity and almost killed Naruto& Sasuke with rod. (Obito sacrifices himself to save Naruto)
3. Kaguya uses a rod/portal combination and almost kills Naruto again. (Kakashi saves him with Kamui)
Naurto didn't really get a significant blow in until Obito died and he got one of those stereo typical revenge for killing my friend anime buffs. lol
Black Zetsu was trash talking about Obito under Kaguya's sleeve and angry Naruto takes advantage by slicing Kaguya's arm that contained Black Zetsu.
He also fired a Bijuu Blast containing chakra from all 9 tailed beast causing Kaguya to go unstable. And she morphed into this weird Tailed Beast Bunny Badger Creature.
The real MVP of this fight was Kakashi. He landed the most significant strike that would create an opening for Naruto, Sasuke, & Sakura to seal her away. Actually maybe Obito should be MvP..
We really didn't get to much of Sasuke because Kaguya threw him in a different dimension, which he was stuck in for most of the fight. Naruto saved him from falling in Lava on one occasion. And of course there was Naruto's Sexy No Jutsu earlier on in the fight, which worked but didn't cause real damage.
If a single person was missing from that group, they wouldn't have been able to beat Kaguya.
Madara wins, he has counters to almost all of Naruto's abilities and Naruto doesn't have any answer to IT.
Juudara solos with IT. Even with Naruto’s sage powers he is still able to be casted. Only a Rinnegan User can stand unaffected.
Madara wins.
Madara can one shot with I.T
Madara has Limbo clones that he can literally make more of and they have all his powers as well.
Litterally Limbo+NinegenDou equals instant kill.
No, Naruto Clones didn't stalemate The Limbo clones...during the finally battle Limbo where still standing and had Naruto and Sasuke surrounded.
Sasuke cutting 1 eyed Madara doesn't mean anything when he literally 4 panels back stated he was immortal with God tier Regeneration what is cutting him in half going to do?
Madara can just do yomitsu hirasaka.
I don't see how anyone can think Naruto wins here. Madara is more powerful than Hagoromo here...He literally has the chakra of everyone on the planets which he can use when ever he wants. He basically has unlimited chakra.
This is literally what Jigen/Isshiki is trying to achieve in Boruto, There is nothing Naruto can do to this Madara.
@mygod000: Adult Naruto can't even go into that form.
Who said that?? Naruto literally got another HALF of the ninetails which makes him wayy stronger than his teen version during the final battle. Of course he can activate that form. he did that by absorbing nature energy. In Fact his ninetails is much stronger now since he got the full kyuubi
Madara has immortality+Regeneration...he is 100% surviving that. Also, he has the power of a planet and the Juubi Naruto get beat down like Jigen did him.
Lol then how did he die. he got vaporized during Naruto and Sasuke's battle (I think). This means Madara immortality by not dying in age. no one said he can't be defeated lol. Naruto can spam those rasenshurikens and Madara is beyond gone dead
Also Jigen is MUCH MUCH stronger than Madara as well
Adult Sasuke and Naruto has already surpassed Madara Individually
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