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Who wins?

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Juubi madara stomps. He has more power and is way smarter than naruto.

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#3  Edited By Revold

Madara literally has the power Naruto has, plus the power that Sasuke has. Plus some more than neither have.

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#4  Edited By NotCensored

Naruto hits him with 9 RS and pulls the Bijuu out of him, rag-dolls him with Boil Release etc. he literally has everything he needs to win the fight

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#5  Edited By UltimateSage

Give naruto both seals and this could be argued

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Madara stomps.

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#7  Edited By BacktoBasic301

Naruto admitted inferiority to One Eyed Madara. No way in hell is he beating Three Eyed Madara.

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Without infinite tsukuyomi restricted madara low diffs since naruto has no counter

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#9  Edited By Anomalous

Lol this Naruto and EoS Sasuke together couldn't stop Madara before he used IT. What makes you suddenly think Naruto has a chance to solo?

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Madara only wins because of IT. Without it, Naruto wins. He's known as the strongest Shinobi to ever have existed, which would put him over Madara.

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He's known as the strongest Shinobi to ever have existed.

No he's not.

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#12  Edited By Wushu59

God Tree Madara? The one that is suppose to be stronger the Hagoromo? Madara I would think. To bad we never seen him fight.

Kaguya > GT Juubidara > Hagoromo > Naruto

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@wushu59 said:

God Tree Madara? The one that is suppose to be stronger the Hagoromo? Madara I would think. To bad we never seen him fight.

Kaguya > GT Juubidara > Hagoromo > Naruto

where was it stated? gt juubidara is beyond hagoromo? nowhere.

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@wushu59 said:

God Tree Madara? The one that is suppose to be stronger the Hagoromo? Madara I would think. To bad we never seen him fight.

Kaguya > GT Juubidara > Hagoromo > Naruto

where was it stated? gt juubidara is beyond hagoromo? nowhere.

Madara was already stated to be close Hagoromo before the God Tree. Logically a God Tree amp would have him surpass Hagoromo.

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@wushu59 said:

Madara was already stated to be close Hagoromo before the God Tree. Logically a God Tree amp would have him surpass Hagoromo.

Its a mistranslation its stated he was attempting to reach Kaguya and Hagoromo's power which he obviously didn't as even post god tree Madara got blitzed and chopped in half by Rinnegan Sasuke before he could use Kamui to escape

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@wushu59 said:
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@wushu59 said:

God Tree Madara? The one that is suppose to be stronger the Hagoromo? Madara I would think. To bad we never seen him fight.

Kaguya > GT Juubidara > Hagoromo > Naruto

where was it stated? gt juubidara is beyond hagoromo? nowhere.

Madara was already stated to be close Hagoromo before the God Tree. Logically a God Tree amp would have him surpass Hagoromo.

it was said he was "trying to get close to me" im pretty sure. i doubt theres anybody out there that thinks madara without the godtree is stronger then hagoromo.

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Naruto lacks the seals, he loses.

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#18  Edited By Wushu59

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@wushu59 said:

Madara was already stated to be close Hagoromo before the God Tree. Logically a God Tree amp would have him surpass Hagoromo.

Its a mistranslation its stated he was attempting to reach Kaguya and Hagoromo's power which he obviously didn't as even post god tree Madara got blitzed and chopped in half by Rinnegan Sasuke before he could use Kamui to escape

That was One Rinnegan Madara that Sasuke sliced in half. Not even 2 Rinnegan Madara, let alone 3.

The last exchange Madara had with Naruto & Sasuke, was sending them both flying with a single finger after stabbing Sakura.

As for the mistranslation, I didn't know that.

Two Rinnegan Madara still handled Naruto, Sasuke & Sakura at the same time.

So even if we go by that logic.

Kaguya > Hagoromo > Two Rinnegan Juubidara > Naruto & Sasuke > One Rinnegan Juubidara

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#19  Edited By Wushu59

Sadly Juubidara with 3 Rinnegans doesn't have any feats. because he never fought anyone.

His only feat. is being killed by Black Zetzu, the actual creator of Naruto.

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@minatofan said:

He's known as the strongest Shinobi to ever have existed.

No he's not.

He is. This is common knowledge within the Boruto series. Iwabe called Naruto "The strongest Shinobi in all of history" which would make him stronger than Madara. Do keep in mind that the Boruto series is oversaw by Kishimoto so this is basically a Word of God statement that can't be disregarded, especially when the feats speak for themselves.

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Naruto and sasuke=One rinnegan madara<<<3 rinnegan madara. Their u go

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Juubidara negs all versions of Naruto with IT. Sasuke even said Naruto would have been fucked without his Susanoo.

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#23  Edited By RDCDesmond

Madara wins even without IT

But Ashura Avatar would stomp if IT is restricted

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@undre said:

Naruto and sasuke=One rinnegan madara<<<3 rinnegan madara. Their u go

Are you blind or usually just blurt out untrue Headcanon statements on a regular ?

Teen inexperienced Rinnegan Sasuke wrecked 1/2 Rinnegan Juubi Madara POST TREE. With his limbo already sealed had he not stolen Kakashi’s Sharingan and used Kamui Sasuke turned Madara into a pile of juubi gray gum trying to regenerate only to get sealed

EMS Sasuke rushed to blind Madara but blind madara was too fast to even get tagged by Sasuke. Madara doesn’t just let people cut him in half on purpose.

sasuke is clearly faster n stronger here for him to cleave his body in two casually.

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That was One Rinnegan Madara that Sasuke sliced in half. Not even 2 Rinnegan Madara, let alone 3.

You do know it was 1 Eyed Madara he made the statement on and then your argument was that with the God Tree he definitely did reach him (he didn't obviously because 50% of his power was enough to blitz and chop him in half)

The last exchange Madara had with Naruto & Sasuke, was sending them both flying with a single finger after stabbing Sakura.

You need to read that fight again Naruto and Sasuke kicked off the Limbo to put distance between them, Sakura and Madara, Madara never knocked them back himself

As for the mistranslation, I didn't know that. Two Rinnegan Madara still handled Naruto, Sasuke & Sakura at the same time.

He blatantly didn't Naruto's Clones stalemated his Limbo (who're equal to him) and that was just with an equal amount of Clones for Madara's Limbo he could easily overwhelm him by doing what he did to Kaguya and whipping out 1000

So even if we go by that logic. Kaguya > Hagoromo > Two Rinnegan Juubidara > Naruto & Sasuke > One Rinnegan Juubidara

Its more like Hagoromo > Kaguya > Naruto = 2 Eyed/ 3 Eyed Madara > Sasuke > 1 Eyed Madara with God Tree amp

3 Eyed Madara is basically featless so there's nothing to gauge him on but Naruto just has blatantly better showings than Madara via fighting Kaguya who's leagues above Madara by Sasuke's own words

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#26  Edited By Wushu59

@notcensored: There is nothing that would indicate that Naruto > 2 Rinnegan Madara (let alone 3)

Like I said, 2 Rinnegan Juubidara sent Naruto flying with one finger. No effort what so ever. That's all we have to go by.

Now if you want to going to say Adult Naruto > 3 Rinnegan Juubidara, then I agree.

I'm not going to get into Hagoromo because there are a lot of variables and it's confusing.

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Madara

1: Sharingan (MS & EMS)

2: Rinnegan (7 Paths & Limbo)

3: Rinnesharingan (Infinite Tsukuyomi & Divine Forest Emergence)

4: Juubi (Chakra Pool, TSB, Bombs, High Speed Regeneration, Physical & Spiritual Rikudou Energy)

5: God Tree (Physical Immortality)

6: 7 Elements & Forbidden Jutsu's

Naruto

1: Kyuubi (Chakra Pool, Bombs, Regeneration)

2: Physical Rikudou Energy (TSB, Life Force, Physical Enhancement & Flight)

3: Nature Energy (Ashura Trasformation)

4: 7 Elements & 9 Bijuu's Chakra Essence

Conclusion: ?

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@notcensored: There is nothing that would indicate that Naruto > 2 Rinnegan Madara (let alone 3)

Overpowering Kaguya, Ripping her arm off, matching her Chakra Arms with his own, nearly causing her to lose control of the Bijuu with 9 RS etc. etc.

Like I said, 2 Rinnegan Juubidara sent Naruto flying with one finger. No effort what so ever. That's all we have to go by.

Like I said thats a completely false claim cause that same Madara got stalemated by Naruto not two minutes later

Now if you want to going to say Adult Naruto > 3 Rinnegan Juubidara, then I agree.

This we agree on but Teen Naruto is at least equal to 2 Eyed Madara bare min his feats against Kaguya should more than prove this

I'm not going to get into Hagoromo because there are a lot of variables and it's confusing.

50% of his power was keeping up with Kaguya so there is no way Madara is near him in any shape or form which is all that i want to get across

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Like I said, 2 Rinnegan Juubidara sent Naruto flying with one finger. No effort what so ever. That's all we have to go by.

Like I said thats a completely false claim cause that same Madara got stalemated by Naruto not two minutes later


I'm not going to get into Hagoromo because there are a lot of variables and it's confusing.

50% of his power was keeping up with Kaguya so there is no way Madara is near him in any shape or form which is all that i want to get across

I wouldn't exactly call holding off a bunch of limbo clones weaker then the real Madara & an acquiring Sasuke's help to destroy a bunch of Chibaku Tensai , "stalemating"

To be fair. It was 50 % Hagormo's power stacked on top of enormous power Naruto already had to begin with.

3 Rinnegan Madara could have fared against Kaguya better then Naruto for all we know. All we have to go by is Sasuke's statements. And it's not Sasuke fought that version of Madara long enough to know the true depths of his power. It's all hype.

It's kind of impossible to scale 3 Rinnegan Madara to Kaguya because we don't have any feats. of Madara's to go by except for him finger flicking Naruto & Sasuke really far away.

Double MS Kakashi with no time limit might honestly be a better match up for 3 Rin Juubidara because of all of his hax abilities.

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@wushu59: It was indeed a stalemate.

Limbo clones are stated to be equal to the user and Naruto shadow clones were some what on par with them as the limbo clones were locked in battle with them and couldn’t one shot or disperse Naruto shadow clones.

Honestly Naruto could’ve gotten ridden of all of Madara meteors by himself without Sasuke help, as he only threw one TBB Rasenshuriken the first time then decided to throw 6 more in the midst of Madara performing IT.

Also we forgetting super TBB Rasenshuriken

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I wouldn't exactly call holding off a bunch of limbo clones weaker then the real Madara

The Limbo clones are equal to him

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& an acquiring Sasuke's help to destroy a bunch of Chibaku Tensai , "stalemating"

He didn't require Sasuke's help but he's not going to tell Sasuke to do nothing his whole character arc in the war is learning to stopping trying to do everything himself and cooperate with others, he could have just done the same thing by making more clones anyway, the only reason they needed to deal with the meteors isn't even because they were a threat to them but because it would kill the Alliance

To be fair. It was 50 % Hagormo's power stacked on top of enormous power Naruto already had to begin with.

It would be like nothing though the gap between Kurama Mode Naruto and Kaguya is huge, you can just see what 50% of his power amped Naruto to and put a 2x on it

3 Rinnegan Madara could have fared against Kaguya better then Naruto for all we know.

Which he has no showings or statements to suggest that

All we have to go by is Sasuke's statements. And it's not Sasuke fought that version of Madara long enough to know the true depths of his power. It's all hype.

He can literally see chakra why would he not know how strong Kaguya is compared to Madara? its also basic author intent for him to convey to the audience how strong Kaguya is

It's kind of impossible to scale 3 Rinnegan Madara to Kaguya because we don't have any feats. of Madara's to go by except for him finger flicking Naruto & Sasuke really far away.

He never finger flicked anyone if he did it would be the height of outliers as a much stronger Kaguya couldn't do anything remotely in the same vein to Naruto

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^Naruto kicked off his Limbo and Sasuke took a hit from one (which he blocked and was unaffected by) that was all that happened Naruto was more concerned with Sakura than he was about attacking Madara or his clones

Double MS Kakashi with no time limit might honestly be a better match up for 3 Rin Juubidara because of all of his hax abilities.

DMS Kakashi (who's literally just Six Paths Obito amping Kakashi) can't beat anyone on that tier he lacks the stamina and all of them know how to counter Kamui Naruto was dodging multiple 1 shot abilities Kaguya before he even knew what they did and Madara has a similar level of pre-cog though slower than Naruto himself by the data books statement not to mention he has extremely good regen to the point that he could just tank everything Kakashi threw at him and Naruto is legitimately a better match up for Madara because he has the necessary stuff to counter him unlike Kakashi who's only option is BFR which he's too slow to pull off against Madara

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@undre said:

Naruto and sasuke=One rinnegan madara<<<3 rinnegan madara. Their u go

Are you blind or usually just blurt out untrue Headcanon statements on a regular ?

No you misinterpret the manga fam

Teen inexperienced Rinnegan Sasuke wrecked 1/2 Rinnegan Juubi Madara POST TREE. With his limbo already sealed had he not stolen Kakashi’s Sharingan and used Kamui Sasuke turned Madara into a pile of juubi gray gum trying to regenerate only to get sealed

Bro sasuke does not scale to madara he was litterly slapping him arounf and need Narutos help to do anything and sasuke didnt he attack while he's putting obitos eye in PAY ATTENTION and stop wanking

EMS Sasuke rushed to blind Madara but blind madara was too fast to even get tagged by Sasuke. Madara doesn’t just let people cut him in half on purpose.

sasuke is clearly faster n stronger here for him to cleave his body in two casually.

I already addressed this madara was not on guard. By hagromoms statements madara is stronger thats why he amp both Naruto and sasuke so they can stop him

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I wouldn't exactly call holding off a bunch of limbo clones weaker then the real Madara

The Limbo clones are equal to him

& an acquiring Sasuke's help to destroy a bunch of Chibaku Tensai , "stalemating"

He didn't require Sasuke's help but he's not going to tell Sasuke to do nothing his whole character arc in the war is learning to stopping trying to do everything himself and cooperate with others, he could have just done the same thing by making more clones anyway, the only reason they needed to deal with the meteors isn't even because they were a threat to them but because it would kill the Alliance

To be fair. It was 50 % Hagormo's power stacked on top of enormous power Naruto already had to begin with.

It would be like nothing though the gap between Kurama Mode Naruto and Kaguya is huge, you can just see what 50% of his power amped Naruto to and put a 2x on it

3 Rinnegan Madara could have fared against Kaguya better then Naruto for all we know.

Which he has no showings or statements to suggest that

All we have to go by is Sasuke's statements. And it's not Sasuke fought that version of Madara long enough to know the true depths of his power. It's all hype.

He can literally see chakra why would he not know how strong Kaguya is compared to Madara? its also basic author intent for him to convey to the audience how strong Kaguya is

It's kind of impossible to scale 3 Rinnegan Madara to Kaguya because we don't have any feats. of Madara's to go by except for him finger flicking Naruto & Sasuke really far away.

He never finger flicked anyone if he did it would be the height of outliers as a much stronger Kaguya couldn't do anything remotely in the same vein to Naruto

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^Naruto kicked off his Limbo and Sasuke took a hit from one (which he blocked and was unaffected by) that was all that happened Naruto was more concerned with Sakura than he was about attacking Madara or his clones

Double MS Kakashi with no time limit might honestly be a better match up for 3 Rin Juubidara because of all of his hax abilities.

DMS Kakashi (who's literally just Six Paths Obito amping Kakashi) can't beat anyone on that tier he lacks the stamina and all of them know how to counter Kamui Naruto was dodging multiple 1 shot abilities Kaguya before he even knew what they did and Madara has a similar level of pre-cog though slower than Naruto himself by the data books statement not to mention he has extremely good regen to the point that he could just tank everything Kakashi threw at him and Naruto is legitimately a better match up for Madara because he has the necessary stuff to counter him unlike Kakashi who's only option is BFR which he's too slow to pull off against Madara

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Equal ability doesn't mean equal mean in strength. It just means they have the same jutsus/technique. That's always been the case through out the series

He literally does finger flick them with his index finger in the anime. Watch the episode.

Naruto had his hands full with limbo clones and chibaku tensai. He did need Sasuke and his perfect Susano in that situation. Otherwise they would have just attacked before Madara could cast the Infinte Tsuiyomi.

Sasuke reading charka doesn't mean anything.

For example. Kisame has the most chakra out of any Akatsuki member. Dose that mean Kisame would beat any Akatsuki memeber. No, it doesn't.

Obviously Kishimoto, would have Kaguya have be more powerful then Madara. She's the final boss.

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@wushu59: It was indeed a stalemate.

Limbo clones are stated to be equal to the user and Naruto shadow clones were some what on par with them as the limbo clones were locked in battle with them and couldn’t one shot or disperse Naruto shadow clones.

Honestly Naruto could’ve gotten ridden of all of Madara meteors by himself without Sasuke help, as he only threw one TBB Rasenshuriken the first time then decided to throw 6 more in the midst of Madara performing IT.

Also we forgetting super TBB Rasenshuriken

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I had more points to make but my phone died. Brb

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Equal ability doesn't mean equal mean in strength. It just means they have the same jutsus/technique. That's always been the case through out the series

Taijutsu are techniques and clones are always relative in strength to the user regardless unless its a Water Clone

He literally does finger flick them with his index finger in the anime. Watch the episode.

Why would I care about a non-canon adaptation? The Manga > The Anime

Naruto had his hands full with limbo clones and chibaku tensai.

Its called making more clones

He did need Sasuke and his perfect Susano in that situation.

He quite literally doesn't if he needed more help he could always make it himself

Otherwise they would have just attacked before Madara could cast the Infinte Tsuiyomi.

They didn't even know Madara was casting IT

Sasuke reading charka doesn't mean anything.

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For example. Kisame has the most chakra out of any Akatsuki member. Dose that mean Kisame would beat any Akatsuki memeber. No, it doesn't.Obviously Kishimoto, would have Kaguya have be more powerful then Madara. She's the final boss.

This is different when it comes to Six Paths and Bijuu Chakra which straight up correlates to stats

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Naruto gets stomped. laughable to even debate here.

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#38  Edited By WhatamIseeing

Naruto and Sasuke were defeated when they hid under Susanoo. Nothing was stopping Madara from obliterating them with juubiballs while they were hiding

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Naruto unless it's Ashura Mode, isn't beating 1 Eyed Madara as Naruto himself stated. How is he beating Madara with another Rinnegan and a Rinne-Sharingan? The answer is he can't.

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#40  Edited By Wushu59

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Equal ability doesn't mean equal mean in strength. It just means they have the same jutsus/technique. That's always been the case through out the series

Taijutsu are techniques and clones are always relative in strength to the user regardless unless its a Water Clone

He literally does finger flick them with his index finger in the anime. Watch the episode.

Why would I care about a non-canon adaptation? The Manga > The Anime

Naruto had his hands full with limbo clones and chibaku tensai.

Its called making more clones

He did need Sasuke and his perfect Susano in that situation.

He quite literally doesn't if he needed more help he could always make it himself

Otherwise they would have just attacked before Madara could cast the Infinte Tsuiyomi.

They didn't even know Madara was casting IT

Sasuke reading charka doesn't mean anything.

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For example. Kisame has the most chakra out of any Akatsuki member. Dose that mean Kisame would beat any Akatsuki memeber. No, it doesn't.Obviously Kishimoto, would have Kaguya have be more powerful then Madara. She's the final boss.

This is different when it comes to Six Paths and Bijuu Chakra which straight up correlates to stats

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Okay. Fair points.

But I just took the time to rewatch the Kaguya fight in it's entirety. And Naruto doesn't really hold his hold against Kaguya like you seem to imply. It's more like he was fighting to survive. There were 3 different occasions he where was saved.

1. He was trapped in ice. (Sasuke had to use Amaterasu & Kagutsuchi to thaw himself & Naruto out)

2. Kaguya intensified the gravity and almost killed Naruto& Sasuke with rod. (Obito sacrifices himself to save Naruto)

3. Kaguya uses a rod/portal combination and almost kills Naruto again. (Kakashi saves him with Kamui)

Naurto didn't really get a significant blow in until Obito died and he got one of those stereo typical revenge for killing my friend anime buffs. lol

Black Zetsu was trash talking about Obito under Kaguya's sleeve and angry Naruto takes advantage by slicing Kaguya's arm that contained Black Zetsu.

He also fired a Bijuu Blast containing chakra from all 9 tailed beast causing Kaguya to go unstable. And she morphed into this weird Tailed Beast Bunny Badger Creature.

The real MVP of this fight was Kakashi. He landed the most significant strike that would create an opening for Naruto, Sasuke, & Sakura to seal her away. Actually maybe Obito should be MvP..

We really didn't get to much of Sasuke because Kaguya threw him in a different dimension, which he was stuck in for most of the fight. Naruto saved him from falling in Lava on one occasion. And of course there was Naruto's Sexy No Jutsu earlier on in the fight, which worked but didn't cause real damage.

If a single person was missing from that group, they wouldn't have been able to beat Kaguya.

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Madara wins, he has counters to almost all of Naruto's abilities and Naruto doesn't have any answer to IT.

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I think Naruto has got this if he isn’t an idiot and just outnumbers Madara’s limbo clones with his unlike how he did in their actual fight. Madara also couldn’t overpower Naruto or Sasuke.

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Juudara solos with IT. Even with Naruto’s sage powers he is still able to be casted. Only a Rinnegan User can stand unaffected.

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Madara wins.

Madara can one shot with I.T

Madara has Limbo clones that he can literally make more of and they have all his powers as well.

Litterally Limbo+NinegenDou equals instant kill.

No, Naruto Clones didn't stalemate The Limbo clones...during the finally battle Limbo where still standing and had Naruto and Sasuke surrounded.

Sasuke cutting 1 eyed Madara doesn't mean anything when he literally 4 panels back stated he was immortal with God tier Regeneration what is cutting him in half going to do?

Madara can just do yomitsu hirasaka.

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#46  Edited By MyGod000

I don't see how anyone can think Naruto wins here. Madara is more powerful than Hagoromo here...He literally has the chakra of everyone on the planets which he can use when ever he wants. He basically has unlimited chakra.

This is literally what Jigen/Isshiki is trying to achieve in Boruto, There is nothing Naruto can do to this Madara.

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Naruto oneshots.

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If you had to name Naruto's triple-headed Kurama double ...

Sorry Madara Fanboys but he ain't surviving this

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@gogito said:

Sorry Madara Fanboys but he ain't surviving this

Adult Naruto can't even go into that form.

Madara has immortality+Regeneration...he is 100% surviving that. Also, he has the power of a planet and the Juubi Naruto get beat down like Jigen did him.

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@mygod000: Adult Naruto can't even go into that form.

Who said that?? Naruto literally got another HALF of the ninetails which makes him wayy stronger than his teen version during the final battle. Of course he can activate that form. he did that by absorbing nature energy. In Fact his ninetails is much stronger now since he got the full kyuubi

Madara has immortality+Regeneration...he is 100% surviving that. Also, he has the power of a planet and the Juubi Naruto get beat down like Jigen did him.

Lol then how did he die. he got vaporized during Naruto and Sasuke's battle (I think). This means Madara immortality by not dying in age. no one said he can't be defeated lol. Naruto can spam those rasenshurikens and Madara is beyond gone dead

Also Jigen is MUCH MUCH stronger than Madara as well

Adult Sasuke and Naruto has already surpassed Madara Individually