- 3 African Adult Male Lions at their peak
- 2 America Adult Male Grizzly Bears at their peak
Fight takes place in a huge empty room
Fight takes place in a huge empty room
A Grizzly Bear can single-shot a Lion. They curb-stomp.
No they can't. They definitely win in a 1v1, but they ain't oneshotting.
A Grizzly Bear can single-shot a Lion. They curb-stomp.
No they can't. They definitely win in a 1v1, but they ain't oneshotting.
They can one-shot much bigger animals than a Lion. So yes, they can one-shot a Lion.
Bruh they hit humans and dont one shot them they arent doing it to a lion thats aware.
I give this to the lions. The fact that one of the bears has to go 2v1 makes it clear to me. It doesnt take long for one of the bears to get taken out. Lions take out god duam elephants ffs.
Then its 2 v 1 for the last grizzly assuming he takes out the 3rd lion in time.
@emeraldeazy: it takes damn near a pack of lions to successfully get an elephant.....and adult Buffalo Kill Lions in most cases where as thats usually the bears main source of food.
@paladinsisthebe said:
A Grizzly Bear can single-shot a Lion. They curb-stomp.
No they can't. They definitely win in a 1v1, but they ain't oneshotting.
They can one-shot much bigger animals than a Lion. So yes, they can one-shot a Lion.
Maybe with a lucky blow, they aren't strong enough to one shot a large animal. They would have to be lucky to even one shot a human.
@paladinsisthebe said:
A Grizzly Bear can single-shot a Lion. They curb-stomp.
No they can't. They definitely win in a 1v1, but they ain't oneshotting.
They can one-shot much bigger animals than a Lion. So yes, they can one-shot a Lion.
Maybe with a lucky blow, they aren't strong enough to one shot a large animal. They would have to be lucky to even one shot a human.
Bears can decapitate a bull...
Bears can decapitate a bull...
1. It's a moose
2. That's most likely a myth. There is no verifiable data or proof for such a claim.
@hope_w: a single male lion can take down a young elephant. Newborn elephants can weigh up to 300 pounds and young non adult elephant weighs at least double that or more. An adult male grizzly weighs in at 600 pounds
Bears can decapitate a bull...
1. It's a moose
2. That's most likely a myth. There is no verifiable data or proof for such a claim.
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Among the scattered historical accounts on grizzly predation, the best evidence comes from the journals of Lewis and Clark. In one provocative entry, Lewis wrote: "These bears resort the river where they lie in wate at the crossing places of the game for Elk and weak cattle (buffalo); when they procure a subject of either they lie by the carcass and keep the wolves off until they devour it."
The journals also reveal much by what they leave unsaid. Buffalo, wolves, and grizzlies ("white bears") are frequently listed as inhabitants of the same regions, but wolves alone are depicted as constant predators: "We have seen great numbers of buffalo, and the usual attendants of these last, the wolves, who follow their movements and feed upon those who die by accident or who are too poor to keep pace with the herd; we also wounded a white bear . . ." Many of the predatory efforts undertaken by the bears were against the expeditionaries themselves, some of whom had narrow escapes from the beasts. "The White bear have become so troublesome to us," wrote Lewis, "that I do not think it prudent to send one man alone on an errand of any kind ... I have made the men sleep with their arms by them . . ."
There are only two or three eyewitness accounts of grizzly predation against buffalo. Of these, the most detailed comes from a Canadian journal:
One bear [grizzly] killed at Hand Hills [Alberta] in 1877 required eight shots before he was disabled. His feet were eight inches across, and were armed with claws five inches long. He was caught in the act of killing a buffalo cow, and had just cracked her spine when he received the first shot. When stretched, his hide was as large as a buffalo bull . . .
Apparently grizzlies were capable of killing buffalo, but did so rarely.
Whether buffalo fall to grizzlies or to wolves, their end by such predation is usually expeditious and violent; the predators operate with tooth and claw and gorge themselves on the spot.
Quote: He was caught in the act of killing a buffalo cow, and had just cracked her spine when he received the first shot.
The claim that an adult grizzly bear can decapitate a moose with one swipe of its paw is an established fact. The first reported event took place in Alaska in 1895 by a Russian miner who was hiking through the wilderness. According to his account, he witnessed a moose drinking from a stream when a Grizzly bear approached from the other side. Mooses are very territorial, and they are especially known to attack anything they perceive to be a threat to their water source. The moose charged full speed across the stream, and just as it neared the bear, the bear stood up and with a quick motion swiped the moose in the side of the face. The mooses head became decapitated and flew a distance of fifteen to twenty feet.
...and quick as a spark on a fire the grizzly bear stood up and swatted the moose in the face. Why it was if you or I would swat a fly, but the impact seemed to me as loud as a gunshot. And then I was absolutely flabbergasted and discombobulated to see, a great upsplash of blood, and the mooses head detatched from the body and landed not three feet from where I was hidden, its eyes staring right at me. The bear sat down immediately and began drinking from the stream as if nothing had happened, as if it were a regular occurance to go decapitating the head of a moose. Never in my life will I forget the power of the grizzly bear...
The report was met by skepticism until noted American biologist Dr. Jacob MacDonaldson observed a similar event in the spring of 1954. MacDonaldson was observing the movements of a Grizzly bear when a moose walked into the same space. The grizzly bear perceived the moose to be a threat to the cubs, and roared to scare it off. But the moose began to graze. The bear then charged the moose, but again the moose did not move. The bear then lumbered over to the moose, and with a powerful swipe of its paw, decapitated the moose. Dr. MacDonaldson later retreived the moose head an autopsy found damage consistent with that of decapitation by impact.
Later studies contribute the phenomenon to both the relative weakness of a mooses upper neck and the power of a grizzly bears arm. Although a grizzly bear is very powerful, it does not have the strength to decapitate most creatures larger than a man. A moose however is peculiar in the structure of its upperneck, which is weak, and any force that puts a significant and sudden pressure on the weakest point of the neck will inevitably cause decapitation.
Since 1895, there have been 15 reported cases of Moose decapitation by Grizzly, and most scientists theorize it is a natural, albeit somewhat rare, event.
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Wild with the rage, the bear quickly regained his footing, pursued and overtook the bull, who then turned like a flash and gave him another charge. This time bruin sprang-upon the buffalo's back, and fastened his claws and teeth in the great fellow's flesh, a surprise for which the bull was not prepared. But he was equal to the situation and showed no small skill as an imitator of the bronco bucker. The buffalo plunged first one way, then the other, while the bear held on with a death-like grip, until it also was surprised by the bull's turning a complete somersault. Before the bear could recover the bull was upon it with his feet, and buried his horns deep in its shoulder. The bear then dealt the bison a blow with its paw, which sounded far off and made the bull shake his head with pain.
The bears one shot the lions.
@alextheboss: Uh dude. Grizzly bears can way up to 900lbs which is more that twice the high end weight for a male African Lion at 420lbs. Not to mention they have other advantages such as far thicker fur and higher bite force.
Also I have no idea where you are getting this misconception that a full grown Grizzly can't kill a man in one blow. They absolutely can.
OT the bears should win pretty handily they have every advantage but numbers and one extra isn't going to help the Lions enough here.
@man_of_miracles: on average a grown male grizzly weighs 600 pounds. Only coastal grizzly bears can get up to 900 pounds. Those pictured look like inland grizzly bears they weigh in at 600 pounds.
@paladinsisthebe: I know there have been people saying they've seen it, but they may have been doing that trying to get popular. There is no actual visual proof anywhere. And if they really could decapitate a moose it would be because the moose has a bad head design.
You just strawmanned me so hard it isn't even funny.
Uh dude. Grizzly bears can way up to 900lbs which is more that twice the high end weight for a male African Lion at 420lbs. Not to mention they have other advantages such as far thicker fur and higher bite force.
And I never said a grizzly bear would lose. In fact I said they would win a 1v1 for sure in my first post... I just said they couldn't one shot a lion, which is true.
Also I have no idea where you are getting this misconception that a full grown Grizzly can't kill a man in one blow. They absolutely can.
Again, I never said they couldn't. I said they would have to be lucky. I've heard many bear attack stories, and I don't think I've ever seen one where a human was killed in one blow. Of course a bear could kill a human in one blow if they got a direct strike to the head or neck, but it's not like it would knock their head clean off, it would just break their neck or tear it open with their claws.
This is a pretty good representation of how a bear attack would look like if the bear was extremely mad.
Here are some real ones
OT the bears should win pretty handily they have every advantage but numbers and one extra isn't going to help the Lions enough here.
The bears winning is definitely a possability. But numbers are extremely important.
This video shows what seems to be two lions taking down a hippo.
3 v2 Lions will win. A single lion will be a very challenging fight for a bear. A sure win for a bear but still a hard fight. A free additional lion will make one of the fights 1 v 2 and a sure win for the lions. Then two tired lions will fight one tired bear and lions win again.
2 vs 1 fights are not easy for animals, especially predators. Theres a reason why they always pick one prey and ignore all the rest. They do not have strategy for multi opponent combat. Lions however as animals often living and hunting in groups DO have a strategy for attacking together.
You just strawmanned me so hard it isn't even funny.
Uh dude. Grizzly bears can way up to 900lbs which is more that twice the high end weight for a male African Lion at 420lbs. Not to mention they have other advantages such as far thicker fur and higher bite force.
And I never said a grizzly bear would lose. In fact I said they would win a 1v1 for sure in my first post... I just said they couldn't one shot a lion, which is true.
Also I have no idea where you are getting this misconception that a full grown Grizzly can't kill a man in one blow. They absolutely can.
Again, I never said they couldn't. I said they would have to be lucky. I've heard many bear attack stories, and I don't think I've ever seen one where a human was killed in one blow. Of course a bear could kill a human in one blow if they got a direct strike to the head or neck, but it's not like it would knock their head clean off, it would just break their neck or tear it open with their claws.
This is a pretty good representation of how a bear attack would look like if the bear was extremely mad.
Here are some real ones
OT the bears should win pretty handily they have every advantage but numbers and one extra isn't going to help the Lions enough here.
The bears winning is definitely a possability. But numbers are extremely important.
This video shows what seems to be two lions taking down a hippo.
They've been documented to one-shot animals much larger than a lion. Therefore they can one-shot a lion as well.
@paladinsisthebe: They say it happened, but I've seen no visible proof. I've seen videos of bears attacking dears and moose, and they don't even come close to one shotting them.
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The bear didn't come close to oneshotting in any of these. So even if it could happen, it would be highly unlikely. Bears don't just walk up and one shot things.
@paladinsisthebe: They say it happened, but I've seen no visible proof. I've seen videos of bears attacking dears and moose, and they don't even come close to one shotting them.
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The bear didn't come close to oneshotting in any of these. So even if it could happen, it would be highly unlikely. Bears don't just walk up and one shot things.
They have documented eyewitness testimony. Your acceptance of that is irrelevant.
@paladinsisthebe: And there are people who have said they talked to god, what's your point? Just believing what others tells you is never a good thing. I accept that it's possible, but without actual visual evidence its hard to believe such an outlandish claim. I don't think you understand the force it takes to knock the head clean off a large animal. Now if you are talking about a decapitation by the definition sense, which means the spine is severed, then yes that could be possible, but knocking the head clean off? There is just too much muscle, skin, and ligaments holding it all together.
Bears win relatively easy. They can absolutely one shot with a hit to the spine. And of course they can one shot a human (to suggest otherwise is absurd).
I've seen a Male lion take down a fully grown giraffe on it's own. these cats pack a lot of power. lions win.
@optimuspalm: a human can one shot a human. Thats not an argument. Lions have an enormous advantage because of their numbers. Bear can not effectively fight two lions at once and one of them will have to. Lions win this.
@lordofallhumans: Ok and an average male lion weighs more like 300 pounds. Either way a Grizzly weighs about twice as much. So what is your point?
1) You say they couldn't one shot a lion and assert that it is absolutely true with no other proof then your opinion.
2) You proceed to back up your assertion that a Grizzly can not one shot a human with movie recreations of a bear attack. Are you actually serious?
Also the reason humans can survive bear attacks at all are because bears are usually playing around and get bored/don't see humans as viable prey.
Are you really going to tell me a 600-900lb animal with claws as thick as your finger would have to get lucky to kill you in one blow?
Get real man. Use some common sense.
The Bears win. They have more stamina, are heavier, and can take Lions down with a few paw swipes.
Siberian Tigers on the other hand would be a different story. They are quicker, faster, cleverer, and more intelligent than grizzly and a lion.
The Tiger possesses a strong muscular body and forelimbs than grizzly bears. In fact a Tiger has one of the strongest muscular bodies than any other carnivore predator alive.
One lion would take down one bear so two lions are enough to take down two, even three grizzlies.
People focus too much on numerical weights when you can look at a bear and look at a lion and see all the additional weight on a bear is fat which doesn't help much. A 300 pound nfl athlete would destroy a 600 pound out of shape person in a fight. A lion is as strong as a bear but faster and more agile and trained to take down larger animals from birth. they also have one of the best pound for pound strengths out of any mammal and have the highest ratio of muscle to fat out of any mammal.
Lions take it due to numbers. They all probably die from their wounds though.
I can agree with this.
So is this considered a stalemale? If not, Lions ftw! IMO
@guccibrick: I would very much like to see proof that a lion that is half the weight of a grizzly is as strong. I mean it's straight up untrue so I highly doubt you be able to fine any.
And your comparison is off. This is more like a quick 150lb guy trying to beat a 300lb lineman. Bears are not obese, they are fast, powerful predators with immense strength.
@man_of_miracles: well based off googling, african lions weigh 420 pounds and grizzlies weigh 600 pounds so it actually isnt even double difference as I originally thought which helps my case.
what we do know is lions are known as having the highest ratio of muscle to fat out of any mammal...
what we also know is lions are 420 pounds and lean... bears are 600 pounds and have a lot of fat mass
taking everything into account in a best case scenario the grizzly bear could be as strong as the lion
bears are strong due to their size, but that doesnt mean they are stronger than a big cat. they are also fast for their size and faster than you would expect, but they arent fast at all relative to a big cat. and they may be predators but they dont have the same training big cats do. big cats primarily feed on meat while bears go for meat but also go for things like honey.
1) You say they couldn't one shot a lion and assert that it is absolutely true with no other proof then your opinion.
It's called common sense. I mean sure, there could be a fluke where it happens. For example people have died from just getting punched before, but that is not the norm, it is the exception. If a lion and a bear fight 10 times neither is getting one shot. Maybe if they fight a hundred or thousand times it might happen once.
2) You proceed to back up your assertion that a Grizzly can not one shot a human with movie recreations of a bear attack. Are you actually serious?
Again you strawman me when I specifically told you what my argument was. This is just bad debating here. Like I said above, what I'm trying to say is it is not normal for a bear to one shot a human. Could it happen? Yes. Is it likely? No.
Also the reason humans can survive bear attacks at all are because bears are usually playing around and get bored/don't see humans as viable prey.
Yes, that's why the survive. If a bear wants to kill you then you are dead. That doesn't mean they can one shot you if they want. If they directly hit you full force in your head and neck then you have a good chance of getting one shot, but that isn't likely.
Are you really going to tell me a 600-900lb animal with claws as thick as your finger would have to get lucky to kill you in one blow?
Depends where it hit. In the neck you head, as I said in my post before this, it would be likely to kill you in one blow, but any body shot is not one shotting a human (though they could bleed out from it eventually).
Get real man. Use some common sense.
Lol I am. You are just strawmanning me so hard that you actually think in your head that I'm saying a human can't get one shot by a bear even though I never said that. I just said in most real life scenarios where a human is fighting for his life, he won't be one shotted (he would be completely stomped and killed though). Lions have been kicked by giraffe and thrown in the air by wildebeest, they are built to take hits from large animals.
So like I said, a bear beats a lion, but not in one shot.
@guccibrick: The average weight for an inland male grizzly is 600 lb and the average weight for a coastal male is around 900 lb.
Grizzly bears, but narrowly. Add 1 more lion and I might change my mind.
This and one more animal battle and I will break my laptop. Why are there so many lol.
@guccibrick: 1) You literally took the average size of the smallest Grizzly subspecies and the largest possible size of a male African lion so your point is moot right there. You need to use comparable sizes high end vs high end or average vs average. Not high end vs low average.
2) The rest is pure speculation on your part and contains not proof or actual information whatsoever.
@omega_kai: so the coastal males are basically just fatter because they get more food? i highly doubt they could take out a lion even if they are 900 pounds.
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