23rd Budokai Goku VS Wano Arc Luffy

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Poll 23rd Budokai Goku VS Wano Arc Luffy (71 votes)

Teen Goku 55%
Wano Arc Luffy 45%

23rd Budokai Goku

Wano Arc G4 Luffy

location- wasteland

100 meter distance

random encounter

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Round 2 Luffy can use G4 Snakeman

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Who wins

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I think Luffy got this

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#3  Edited By WhatamIseeing

Dont think Goku is that strong at this point, I know he isnt as fast as luffy. Luffy should win

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Goku is more powerful, but Luffy has a chance if he can dodge everything with future sight and beat Goku down in CQC.

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Goku stomps. He is planetary scaling off roshi.

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Goku stomps. He is planetary scaling off roshi.

That scaling is heavily flawed. Even Freeza didn't really destroy a planet. Cell threatens a solar system and the first true planet bust we see is Buu. I'm pretty sure Goku wins, but he definitely isn't planetary at this point. Vegeta is the first person to threaten destroying a planet and he was MANY times more powerful than Goku at this stage

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@wabubub: I was just kidding about the goku part but lol at this downplaying.

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#8  Edited By MoneyyJunee

Luffy has a chance here

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Luffy stomps.

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@wabubub: What do mean Frieza didn't really destroy a planet? The guy has been destroying planets with a finger before the series even started.

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@ghostwarren: I don't. Luffy is simply superior in every way except DC.

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#14  Edited By Mee09

@antonio_1996: He's not superior in Skill, he's not superior in combat genius, he doesn't get zenkai boosts, Goku is still faster than him at this point, and has infinitely better DC. All Goku has do is land one full power attack and Luffy gets one shot. Goku's strength when argumented with Ki should be greater than Luffy's as Piccolo with Ki was lifting up and spinning the pyramids hundreds to thousands of feet in the air with no effort. Luffy has to find a way to put down someone who has greater durability than Kaido. He can't do it right now. Goku at this point has far surpassed Tien who can put up Ki canons strong enough to stop attacks that would destroy the moon. Also while just using Ki to amp his physicals. He was still standing after tanking Piccolo's strongest attack. An attack that was far beyond anything Roshi could produce at that point. Goku's durability is Moon+ even at this point.

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If Goku gets a chance to fire his kamehameha its over. But overall its a close one with Luffy having strenght advantage.

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Luffy 5.5/10

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Goku should win handily by DC and Durability huge superiority. He is likely faster too.

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Luffy stomps hard

Goku isn't Planet Level nor Moon Level at this point

Roshi Mon Bust is clearly an Outlier

Daizenshuu statement of Moon Level Kamehameha is contradicted by later showings in the beginning of Z alone

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@animefreak1: lol gtfo . you're just a butthurt naruto fanboy but we have to listen your wanking garbage.

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@ghostwarren:

Look, do you have nothing better to do than stalk me all day, I'm flattered and all but c'mon

Also, if you think I'm so wrong

Then explain to me why Roshi Moon Level Feat isn't just Outlier

And why EOS DB Goku Kamehameha is Moon level like the Databook stated

Otherwise, you're just showing how butthurt you are and showing you're not credible to listen to

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@animefreak1: you're still a joke. I was just answering the thread. You just start a bunch of nonsense in your debates. You act like a joke you get treated like one.

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@animefreak1: yep but we can hear your databook nonsense. Please stfu up for once.

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@ghostwarren:

You really haven't proven anything except my point about YOU being the butthurt one dude..........

I have no problems with you at all

You're the one who's stalking my posts just to vent your anger out at me

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For once I agree with Animefreak1 Luffy should win here. Goku striking power isn't gonna be much for luffys natural physical durability resistance. Luffy has already been faster or fast enough to kick lightning and contend against lightning timers from pre timeskip. His speed shouldn't be a problem.

While goku did beat casual city/island busters, I think it would boil down to h2h which luffy wins.

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Goku solos one piece.

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@grandtoaa: cause he destroyed the core. Not the planet. Logically, he should be capable. He just doesn't. Which is dumb. It makes it look like he can't. I'm just saying Freeza's feats aren't up to par.

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@blackwizzard17: What about the kamehameha? I think that's where Goku takes the win. If Luffy tries to bounce it back he's gonna die. Solar flare might be enough to take Luffy out of focus and ruin his haki too momentarily.

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@wabubub:

The kamehameha wont tag luffy cause luffy would be to fast. Goku doesn't have any IT or fast movement with the kamehameha here yet. Base luffy has proven to be strong enough to knock down giant creatures and giants pre timeskip. He one shot a giant who could withstand and punch the force of a ten thousand ton drop. Luffy is being low balled here and should take the fight.

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Going with Luffy do to future sight. If goku actually lands a kamehameha GG

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#32  Edited By GrandTOAA

@wabubub: Seriously? His deathball exploded on Impact with Planet Vegeta. Didn't even reach the core.You guys really love to downplay the series

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@animefreak1 Even in DBS, they react to attacks that are less than what we have seen all the way back to Z. Inconsistency, Yes. But Outlier? Piccolo did destroy the moon again, and you called it outlier. That's not how an outlier works. Don't you guys use data books to back your claims in Naruto and co when there are no such feats

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@grandtoaa: he hates dbz and loves to wank naruto.

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#35  Edited By DragonKin

I love both series very much.

This is one of the best matches I’ve seen on the vine , very close fight.

Goku is small planetary at this point via definite scaling (Roshi, piccolo), but their physicals are very close.

I’m giving this fight to luffy solely because of precog 6/10. (Although 1 kamehameha that hits will probably kill him)

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23rd Budokai Goku is not planetary lmao.

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23rd Budokai Goku is not planetary lmao.

he is star level

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@huko: where did you get star level from. He is large planet in toei verse.

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I’m pretty sure 23rd was country level from what I remember (beating island busters). He could probably charge up to noon busting but he was not casual like they were in Z.

Luffy should hold the edge on H2H due to all his haki applications but gokus casual blasts should be strong enough to hurt luffy at this point. It really comes down to if goku can land some of his tougher blasts and survive the physical contests. This is a really good fight.

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#40  Edited By Co-Boss

@wabubub: just letting you know, planet vegeta is 10x the gravity and density of Earth. Even if Frieza just destroyed the core that is still planet level bc the core is the strongest part of the planet and that planet is 10x Earth. I have seen this argument a lot and I still don’t get it bc it’s a very obvious large planet level feat that is done casually by frieza.

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@co-boss: king vegeta performed large planet level+ feats casually😉

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@ghostwarren: That's filler though, while super has canonized the Frieza feat without an anime adaptation with the Broly movie

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#43  Edited By The_Hajduk

Goku in that arc stood at the epicenter of the explosion that scorched the entire continent. This is on-panel, and stated in guidebooks, Papaya is the size of a continent and Piccolo burned it all.

The guidebooks also state that the Super Kamehameha that Goku debuted against Piccolo could definitely destroy the moon. Same Kamehameha that Piccolo withstood early on in the fight.

To me the gap to adult Goku is still a few too many tiers for anybody in the HST but kid Goku is fair game to some.

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#44  Edited By Co-Boss

@the_hajduk: I thought that blast scorched the country they were in and not the continent. if it was the continent my opinion on this fight might change a bit as I could see luffy hurting goku overtime if it was a country scorcher.

Edit: Proof that Papaya is the size of a continent?

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How strong do have to be to not move from the force of that island razor ?

he was in the center btw.

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#46  Edited By The_Hajduk

@co-boss: This is stated in the Daizenshuu. I don’t have scans but the wiki mentions it in the first paragraph and they source the daizenshuu.

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Papaya_Island

Papaya is the size of a continent.

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23rd budokai goku can shatter moons

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Goku stomps

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"Both are serious"

Yeah no

Goku stomps and Luffy realistically has no way of hurting him at all