23rd Budokai Goku vs The Five Kage

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random encounter, who wins?

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Hmmmm...

Probably the Kage. I don't know if Goku can deal with Poison Mist, Miotic Regen, or Particle Style. Should be about on par with Raikage in Speed and might be able to strike a bit harder than Tsunade but his DC won't really help him against the Hax, because Tsunade can heal.

Also, Goku is kinda, well, dumb. Slow to figure out Hax, especially at THIS stage in his life.

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Goku could beat them all individually but together they're too much. Something like Jinton is going to hit at some point more often than not.

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Onoki alone would be a problem. All five is way too tough.

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Goku easily... He's massively faster than the Raikage (The fastest person on this team), has more DC than all of them combined, is better at h2h than everyone here, can fly which only one of them can do.

I don't see how Goku loses here, he's never being hit by Jinton.

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can fly which only one of them can do.

He ain't even good at flying at this stage. Flying was shown to take up a lot of his stamina, which is why he uses Kintoun at the beginning of Z.

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He loses to all 5.

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@mainjp said:
@sup3rn0va said:

can fly which only one of them can do.

He ain't even good at flying at this stage. Flying was shown to take up a lot of his stamina, which is why he uses Kintoun at the beginning of Z.

I don't recall it ever being stated that it takes up "a lot" of his stamina, he used the Nimbus at this point because it was faster than his flying technique during this period of the series, he states this to Piccolo. And he used the Nimbus to fly to Vegeta/Nappa because he wanted to conserve as much energy as he possibly could.

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This fight is like BM Naruto vs 5 Kage. They could give em a good fight but eventually get pinned down due to having durability that is weaker than the oppenents AP/DC.

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5 Kage literally get bodied.

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#11  Edited By MainJP
@sup3rn0va said:
@mainjp said:

He ain't even good at flying at this stage. Flying was shown to take up a lot of his stamina, which is why he uses Kintoun at the beginning of Z.

I don't recall it ever being stated that it takes up "a lot" of his stamina,

That's the reason he had to stop flying on Snake Way on his way to Kaio. He used up all his energy just by flying a little.

And since this is 23rd Goku we don't even know when he learned to fly for that matter.

People say that Goku could have possibly learned it while he trained with Mister Popo and Kami during the 3-year preparation for the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

Others think that Goku could have learned it at the last possible moment before he was about to be killed by Piccolo Jr. It’s not known if he was reserving this technique for that precise do-or-die scenario, or if he just figured it out spontaneously. It's not confirmed, all we know is he didn't show it until the very last possible second at the very end of his match.

he used the Nimbus at this point because it was faster than his flying technique during this period of the series, he states this to Piccolo.

No, he didn't.

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@mainjp said:
@sup3rn0va said:
@mainjp said:

He ain't even good at flying at this stage. Flying was shown to take up a lot of his stamina, which is why he uses Kintoun at the beginning of Z.

I don't recall it ever being stated that it takes up "a lot" of his stamina,

That's the reason he had to stop flying on Snake Way on his way to Kaio. He used up all his energy just by flying a little.

You have no idea how far he flew when he said that.

And since this is 23rd Goku we don't even know when he learned to fly for that matter.

Irrelevant

People say that Goku could have possibly learned it while he trained with Mister Popo and Kami during the 3-year preparation for the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

Irrelevant

Others think that Goku could have learned it at the last possible moment before he was about to be killed by Piccolo Jr. It’s not known if he was reserving this technique for that precise do-or-die scenario, or if he just figured it out spontaneously. It's not confirmed, all we know is he didn't show it until the very last possible second at the very end of his match.

Irrelevant and entirely speculation

he used the Nimbus at this point because it was faster than his flying technique during this period of the series, he states this to Piccolo.

No, he didn't.

Yes he pretty much did. Goku asked Piccolo if he could keep up with his Nimbus, and Piccolo responded that his flying technique was faster than Goku's so he could, this is stating Goku's Nimbus is faster than his flying technique.

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Not seeing Ohnoki tagging Goku with dust release nor Mei with her poison. Raikage is the only one who can somewhat keep up. Goku is way too powerfull and fast. His casual blasts can vape small mountains which is enough to take out anybody bar Raikage, his kamehameha one shots everybody period. Outside of hax they can't really damage Goku too. Like somebody mentioned already, this Goku is like BM Naruto, both steamroll the war kages.

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@gaoron: What speed feats does Raikage have to suggest he can keep up ? Just curious. Tsunade seemed faster than him when she activated her jutsu.

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@iusemycajonas: Isn't he faster than lightning for outspeeding EMS Sasuke who is > sick Itachi who is a lightning timer? That should be enough to not get blitzed by this Goku.

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#16  Edited By iUseMyCajonas

@gaoron: I doubt Itachi can time lightning lol, I fundamentally don't view his stopping of Kirin as lightning timing, I feel like he preemptively activated his Susanoo' because he was watching Sasuke carefully the whole time and Sharingan can see chakra flow.

IIRC Zetsu who has seen characters faster than the Raikage in action said Kirin was undodgable as well.

Any other feats placing them at lightning speed ?

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#17  Edited By Gaoron

@iusemycajonas: None that I know off unless we use hyperbolic guidebooks that have Raikage at "near light-speed" or Itachi's water bullets at light speed lol, so we're better off ignoring those. All of mid-tier speed scaling is based on that Itachi feat. Take away that and we're left with nothing but part 1 single digit feats.

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Goku stomps. Goku and piccolo at the 23rd tournament we’re both are capable of busting Papaya island which is actually bigger than the average island it was stated to be the size of a small continent

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#19  Edited By iUseMyCajonas

@gaoron: Yeah, then the entire SM fight happens where Pain is giving literal 4 second intervals for things and IIRC Rasenshuriken is calced at hypersonic dual digit mach, Lightning speed Raikage is a little random and would be incredibly inconsistent because they have no other feats placing them at that level until Gai does his kick or maybe the time Toneri shoots the beam which Naruto reacts to.

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Goku

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Onoki the mvp.

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#22  Edited By Token1300

That moment you realize Goku was only small country level in 23rd Budokai but magically jumps to Moon Level 5 years later despite not much training much at all and taking it easy.

https://www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/200/14

N judging by “canon” power levels of king piccolo being 260 and BOZ Goku being 416 would mean Goku was not even twice as strong as a city buster in base w.o Kamehameha amp. Power levels are dumb asf.

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Onoki alone would be a problem. All five is way too tough.

I was sholl about to say "Particle Style, GG".

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#24  Edited By MainJP
@sup3rn0va said:
@mainjp said:

That's the reason he had to stop flying on Snake Way on his way to Kaio. He used up all his energy just by flying a little.

You have no idea how far he flew when he said that.

And since this is 23rd Goku we don't even know when he learned to fly for that matter.

Irrelevant

People say that Goku could have possibly learned it while he trained with Mister Popo and Kami during the 3-year preparation for the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

Irrelevant

Others think that Goku could have learned it at the last possible moment before he was about to be killed by Piccolo Jr. It’s not known if he was reserving this technique for that precise do-or-die scenario, or if he just figured it out spontaneously. It's not confirmed, all we know is he didn't show it until the very last possible second at the very end of his match.

Irrelevant and entirely speculation

It's all very relevant. You can't assume he'll fly here if he didn't fly during the entirety of his matches with Tenshinhan and Piccolo until he was about to die in a literal final act of desperation, that's the point. Goku, as pictured, as far as we've seen in those fights, can't fly. Saying he can pre-final desperation attempt is also speculation.

He literally didn't display the ability to fly during fights with two combatants who can yet we're supposed to buy that he'll take to the air here. I'm not seeing it. Pictured Goku stays on the ground just like he did in his 23rd fights.

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Yes he pretty much did. Goku asked Piccolo if he could keep up with his Nimbus, and Piccolo responded that his flying technique was faster than Goku's so he could, this is stating Goku's Nimbus is faster than his flying technique.

You said he did as if it were a direct statement.

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23rd budokai goku is honestly around mach 50-100; kage stomp.

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#26  Edited By MainJP
@token1300 said:

That moment you realize Goku was only small country level in 23rd Budokai but magically jumps to Moon Level 5 years later despite not much training much at all and taking it easy.

https://www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/200/14

N judging by “canon” power levels of king piccolo being 260 and BOZ Goku being 416 would mean Goku was not even twice as strong as a city buster in base w.o Kamehameha amp. Power levels are dumb asf.

Maybe the moon feats are just outliers. Oooor Diazenshuu power levels are wrong.

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@mainjp said:
@token1300 said:

That moment you realize Goku was only small country level in 23rd Budokai but magically jumps to Moon Level 5 years later despite not much training much at all and taking it easy.

https://www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/200/14

N judging by “canon” power levels of king piccolo being 260 and BOZ Goku being 416 would mean Goku was not even twice as strong as a city buster in base w.o Kamehameha amp. Power levels are dumb asf.

Maybe the moon feats are just outliers. Oooor Diazenshuu power levels are wrong.

Power levels don't scale linearly like that. Just because character has twice the number doesn't mean he's literally 2 times faster/stronger/more durable etc.

Also accorsing to Daizenshuu 23rd Budokai Goku was already Moon level so there is that

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Also also don't forget amehameha multiplies power by more than twice as shown against Raditz so 416 Goku would actually be around 1000 when using it.

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#29  Edited By Mee09

Goku is far too much. He has attacks capable of destroying moons and is too fast for any of them to tag.

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#30  Edited By alextheboss

Either Goku wins or Onoki particle styles him.

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nobody on the kage is multi moon level. goku one shots.

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Goku five shots. FTE to casual lightning timers>>>Five Kages.

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nobody on the kage team has multi moon level durability.

goku stomps.

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Goku five shots. FTE to casual lightning timers>>>Five Kages.

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Goku five shots. FTE to casual lightning timers>>>Five Kages.

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#36  Edited By Wushu59

No sells Jinton and laughs at them. lol

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Goku stomps

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#38  Edited By AnimeFreak1

Onoki blitzes and one shots with Jinton

Lol at this Goku no selling a sub molecular level attack

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Goku is faster have more experience and its a bloody moon buster he got more power than current naruto with baryon mode lets be real.

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Onoki blitzes and one shots with Jinton

Lol at this Goku no selling a sub molecular level attack

how does onoki blitz? the fodder isnt even faster then lightning

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Goku stomps the fodder verse as a kid

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Goku blitzes and one shots each of them.

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@frostaku said:

nobody on the kage team has multi moon level durability.

goku stomps.