2021 High Tier PyP Round 1: Higherpower vs Beatboks

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Welcome to Round One of the 2021 HTT!

@higherpower

Characters:

  • Mu Siyun (composite) - 10
  • Knives Millions - 2
  • Joka - 1
  • Composite Devilman - 1

Perks:

  • Mind/Soul Immunity - 7
  • Perfect teamwork - 5
  • 1 hr prep - 1
  • Spider-sense (Mu) - 1
  • Battle computer (Mu) - 3
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Characters:

  • Starfire (1)
  • Maxima (1)
  • Metamorpho (2)
  • Etrigan (3)
  • Arion (4)
  • John Constantine (4)

Perks:

  • Perfect Teamwork (5)
  • 2 Hours of Prep Anywhere (10)

Rules

  1. Win by Death, Incap, or KO.
  2. Standard Gear.
  3. No BFR.
  4. No reality-warping (powers that may fall under this or have some association will be dealt with on a case by case basis due to the broad nature of reality-warping)
  5. No Summons, constructs, or any other fodder must be no stronger than an MFTL Star Buster.
  6. No Power Stealing, copying is fine
  7. Power Copying is limited to in battle characters for opponents, and only the present team for allies.
  8. Summons, constructs, or other fodder are limited to 200
  9. Cloning is limited to 25
  10. Time Jumping, remnants, speeding up one's own time is allowed. Other forms of time manipulation are banned.

Battleground

Destructible Jupiter-sized Earth inside an indestructible galaxy like ours, with no other people on it except for the fighters. Main Earth will be reformed and reset 5 seconds after destruction

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I thought you two were retired

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I thought you two were retired

Vulcan's retired like 10 times already lol. He ain't never quitting the habit

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⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀I. INTRODUCTION

⠀⠀⠀⠀A prominent quality of investigative journalism is the ability to report facts with startling immediacy, accuracy, and relevance. The same quality is present in the finest debates; from internet discussions such as this to heated courtroom disputes. The information in the post was gathered after surveying years of published work. Over a thousand issues and documents were gleaned from the following titles; Iron Ladies (2016), Trigun (1995), Soul Hunter (1996), Devilman (1972), Midnighter (2007), The Authority (1999), Spider-Man (1992), and Devilman[1] related works, including, but not limited to; Shin Devilman, Devilman Lady, Devilman vs Hades, Devilman G, Amon: Dark Side of Devilman, Devilman Saga, and Devilman Crybaby.

⠀⠀⠀⠀The fictional characters Mu Siyun, Knives Millions, Joka and Devilman comprise the "prosecuting" (advancing) team. See also ¶(the first team to post). Their team possesses five distinct perks, those being: Mind/Soul Immunity, which grants absolute immunity to any attacks that target or affect the mind, soul, or spirit of any of the characters on the team; the mind as defined as "the set of faculties including consciousness, perception, thinking, judgement, and memory." (Mccarthy, Gabby (2018-10-09). Introduction to Metaphysics); the soul and spirit, synonymous terms as defined as "the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life" (“Soul.” Merriam-Webster, Merriam-Webster, Encyclopædia Britannica 2015). Perfect teamwork, as defined as, and necessitates the cooperation of all members of the team, to work in concert both during the stage of preparation for the battle and the battle itself. The team is allotted one hour to prepare[2] for the oncoming battle, ("1 hr of prep") which signifies that the participating characters are aware of the fact they are in a battle, on a team, will be facing an adversary, and must work together to overcome it.

⠀⠀⠀⠀Mu Siyun is in possession of the "Battle Computer", a famed ability belonging to Wildstorm's Midnighter, Lucas Trent, that endows the user with a high level of precognition. Using the Battle Computer, one can "know what special abilities [their opponent] has, detect increased electrical activity in the brain, know what moves [they] are preparing to make". Most impressively, Midnighter claims to have fought an impending battle in his head "a million different ways" allowing him to hit his opponent without them ever seeing him or having the ability to respond (Midnighter vol. 1 #12, December 2007 "Foul Play").

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⠀⠀⠀⠀The veracity of this statement has been proven, emboldened by Midnighter's combat demonstrations and various other statements and allusions. One such example can be drawn from his exchange with an invader in attempts to save a child, during The Authority's quest to take on a small army of Gamorran clones who they had pushed back to the River Thames before Jenny Sparks electrocuted them. The note above is almost an exact reiteration of what Midnighter says in the following page here (The Authority vol. 1 #2, June 1999 - "The Circle (Part II of IV").

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⠀⠀⠀⠀Mu also has Spider-Sense, which is another precognitive ability that comes with the additional effect of triggering involuntary action in response to whatever dangerous stimuli it predicts, allowing for instinctive dodges or counters. It also serves as a radar that can guide the user independent of their senses, like eyesight, enabling Peter to fight in complete darkness or a complicated maze even when deprived of conscious thought or activity (Spider-Man Vol. 1 #26, September 1992 - With Great Responsibility!).

⠀⠀⠀⠀From a purely logical standpoint, the cohesion of Battle Computer and Spider-Sense would make anyone [theoretically] mostly untouchable, given the physical reflexes used in tandem with Spider-Sense to actually avoid the oncoming threats is entirely compensated by Battle Computer's distant foresight and specification of incursion (one shortcoming of Spider-Sense is that it doesn't always discern the nature of attack or warning it gives). Peter by himself would still have to use his speed, but not Mu with Battle Computer simulating the entire fight; Mu running through millions of scenarios every second to view the entire battle and preemptively select the best options (on top of the passive danger warnings and automatic response) should never put him harm's way (Grifter & Midnighter #3, July 2007 - "Uncivil Union").

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⠀⠀⠀⠀To enunciate, the argument here is that: Spider-Sense automatically prepares you to avoid things you have no hope to defend against otherwise, but isn't always entirely aware of what it is that must be averted, and because of that may require further action depending on threat. Battle Computer will know what it is, and have already mapped out counters to it and every possible course of action it could take, meaning one of two things;

  1. The attack is dodged by the time it can be initiated, or
  2. The attack never occurs; the situation where it was instigated was countered and null by actions previously made early into the fight that dictated the following course of events.

⠀⠀⠀⠀In summation, the two abilities in tandem birth a next level Mastered Ultra-Instinct[3], with quite the feat pool to draw form, making a blitz (especially with the existence of prep and cloaking in play, see also, section 2.1) unarguable. Further abilities that will be disclosed eliminate many forms of attack as an option, constructing a solid defense for the advancing team.


⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀II. PROVISIONAL STRATEGY

⠀⠀⠀⠀All characters start on and fight on a single planet, a Jupiter-sized Earth, but the parameters of the battlefield seemingly extend to the entire solar system and galaxy (see, e.g. Darthjhawk, 2021 High Tier PYP Battleground Comicvine 1-18-2021). Mu should be able to station his soul soldiers all across the galaxy. He has soldiers positioned and scattered all over the universe ready to be deployed (only unable to do so in this instance as he was under a military pact (Iron Ladies #184, February 2019 - "Burning All Her Holy Blood")).

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⠀⠀⠀⠀Having backup bodies/soul soldiers dispersed all over the galaxy would prove beneficial to the team. Only characters like Mu have a sensing range that expansive and pinpoint accurate (ch.284). They can also be easily called into the battle for reinforcements as Mu can teleport hundreds of thousands of light years consecutively without fatigue, either by himself warping via black holes (Iron Ladies #188-189, March 2019 - "Wings of Blood Crossing The Galaxy").

⠀⠀⠀⠀A single soldier of Mu, the Battle Puppet, despite containing 5% of his power, was able to effortlessly teleport 505,000 light years with a black hole, something Mu can forcefully spawn at any given moment[4](ch.256) rather than needs to find. To put this into perspective, the diameter of the entire Milky Way Galaxy is only about 160,000 light years (Hall, Shannon (May 4, 2015). "Size of the Milky Way Upgraded, Solving Galaxy Puzzle" Space.com) meaning Mu and any of his soldiers can very easily teleport over twice of the distance of the entire battleground, or to any location in it, consecutively without anyone catching up to them.

⠀⠀⠀⠀With non-pursuable reinforcements secured, the team can focus on offense, and the one ability all characters have in common is space manipulation. A high degree of space manipulation. Space and spatial manipulation is a formidable power, space as defined as "a boundless, three-dimensional extent in which objects and events occur and have relative position and direction" ("Space – Physics and Metaphysics". Encyclopædia Britannica. Archived May 6, 2008). Space is one of the foundations of the universe and its existence, along with time and matter, the manipulation of both deemed similarly formidable at certain levels. Mu's precision over space is unparalleled. In one of his weakest known forms, he can collapse space in dozens of precise locations, so refined to the point he spawned black holes within his enemies bodies that instantly swallowed them up to the point of irrelevance/non-existence (Iron Ladies #108, January 2019 - "Demon Mu of Melody pt. 2").

⠀⠀⠀⠀The power of a composite Mu's black holes is even scarier. He can spam black holes and has shattered large star sized dimensions with single ones (Iron Ladies #257-258, May 2019, "Seeking Your Own Death").

He [Mu] also calculated the space to be 1/100th of the size of our own Solar System.

If we consider where the Oort cloud starts as the edge of our Solar System, then the minimum distance it is placed at (on various NASA owned domains) is 1000 AU.

A single AU is 93 million miles or 150 million km.

1/100th of 1000 AU is 10 AU. So 1.5 billion km.

The diameter of the Sun is actually 1.4 million km. Mu used the black hole that he spawned to completely shatter the pocket dimension of 1.5 billion km in diameter, which is over 1000x the size of the Sun, so his feat is definitely large star level. His black holes are supermassive (thousands of times the solar mass.)

⠀⠀⠀⠀Another point to raise is that Mu's abilities specifically collapse and destroy space itself. Any physical or material object or being occupies a certain amount of space and volume. Anything that exists on 3-dimensions takes up space[5]. If Mu destroys the space itself that an object or being inhabits, that object or being will be destroyed regardless of its own properties, as the space it must occupy to continue existing on a 3-dimensional plane is erased. Meaning Mu's black holes can one shot any physical entities regardless of its durability or properties. The only circumvention around this from a purely logical standpoint is not being a physical entity; being a soul or something immaterial and spatially intangible. Id.

"The user can deplete three-dimensional space, controlling the distance between two different points of spatial locations. Since space basically acts as a boundary of existence for all, if the space around any matter or energy is depleted, then the said matter would also be erased from existence."

"Space Depletion." Superpower Wiki, 2016 powerlisting.fandom.com

⠀⠀⠀⠀To surmise. Mu can spontaneously manifest a black hole inside the bodies of his opposition with the solar mass and power of a thousand Suns, with the ability to collapse space and erase them from physical existence. He can do this with pinpoint accuracy that none of his teammates would be affected. Id. (see also) Section 2, black holes, Iron Ladies #108. With Battle Computer and Spider-Sense having already determined the relative location and actions all of his opponents will make Id. Section 1, the space will be collapsed where they are poised to spawn when the match begins.


⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀III. Conclusion

⠀⠀⠀⠀The provisional strategy is not the full strategy. Just the primary method of attack to be employed by the masthead character and de-facto leader of the team. The remaining characters will take on support roles if needed. The implication is very much that Mu can solo without much trouble but it depends on what is accomplished during prep time, the Battle Computer will probably be informed of the specific attacks used against the advancing team and the team will respond accordingly.

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Didn’t John Constantine defeat the presence ? How is he allowed here ?

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@higherpower: Bruh your opener took me back to when I was writing Law essays in uni lol.

Tag for votes.

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A prominent quality of investigative journalism is the ability to report facts with startling immediacy, accuracy, and relevance. The same quality is present in the finest debates; from internet discussions such as this to heated courtroom disputes. The information in the post was gathered after surveying years of published work. Over a thousand issues and documents were gleaned from the following titles; Iron Ladies (2016), Trigun (1995), Soul Hunter (1996), Devilman (1972), Midnighter (2007), The Authority (1999), Spider-Man (1992), and Devilman[1] related works, including, but not limited to; Shin Devilman, Devilman Lady, Devilman vs Hades, Devilman G, Amon: Dark Side of Devilman, Devilman Saga, and Devilman Crybaby.

⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀The fictional characters Mu Siyun, Knives Millions, Joka and Devilman comprise the "prosecuting" (advancing) team. See also ¶(the first team to post). Their team possesses five distinct perquisites (or "perks"), those being: Mind/Soul Immunity, which grants absolute autonomous immunity to any attacks that target or affect the mind, soul, or spirit of any of the characters on the team; the mind as defined as "the set of faculties including consciousness, perception, thinking, judgement, and memory." (Mccarthy, Gabby (2018-10-09). Introduction to Metaphysics); the soul and spirit, synonymous terms as defined as "the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life" (“Soul.” Merriam-Webster, Merriam-Webster, Encyclopædia Britannica 2015). Perfect teamwork, as defined as, and necessitates the cooperation of all members of the team, to work in concert both during the stage of preparation for the battle and the battle itself. The team is allotted one hour to prepare[2] for the oncoming battle, ("1 hr of prep") which signifies that the participating characters are aware of the fact they are in a battle, on a team, will be facing an adversary, and must work together to overcome it.

Is this a tournament or a thesaurus?

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Stop bullying Vulcan lmao. He is trying a different format smh. Could use a bit of cosmetic refinement, but I like the idea

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Stop bullying Vulcan lmao. He is trying a different format smh. Could use a bit of cosmetic refinement, but I like the idea

We ain't bullying lol. Just surprised at his sudden format change.

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Didn’t John Constantine defeat the presence ? How is he allowed here ?

No lol

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I'll try a d get my opener up tomorrow night.

Sorry, this week has been the first heavy TV viewing week I've had in a while. What with American gods back on Mondays, Batgirl and the Watch dropping tuesdays, the expanse on Wednesdays and a few other shows like discovery of witches, always a witch, warrior nun that I'm trying to force myself to not watch all at once in a binge this is the first time in ages I've spend a few hours every night in front of the box.

There's nothing on tomorrow and only Wandavision before Monday 😉so I'll hàve the time innthe next few days

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I’m going to forgo the usual introduction to characters and just cover that in the course of my posts.

PREP ANYWHERE

Here lies my most valuable purchase, because while Arion is a decent mage (say Gandalph the white level) when he can prep anywhere there are several places that enhance his magic significantly. My prep is going to occur basically in these places.

Place 1 Arion’s father’s citadel. This citadel is a vast source of power for him.

Place 2 Darkworkd his mothers dimension. In his mothers realm he stated he felt more powerful than he has EVER felt

Place 3 close to a star. Arion draws on the power of stellar energy (light) to power him. He has one feat where after his I’m going to forgo the usual introduction to characters and just cover that in the course of my posts.

Now the rules for prep state that all prep is in the one location but I asked and since I purchased two prep perks (2 x 1 hour prep anywhere) I can do each hour in a different place. You may ask yourself at this point how does that help me since I just listed three places that are beneficial to Arion and I can only use two. The answer is quite simple really, the citadel of Arion’s father is inside his mothers dimension of darkworld. Additionally one of the characters I have is a source of stellar energy. The only reason Starfire is here is purely and solely to amp Arion with her stellar energy bursts

So my first hour of prep is in darkworld.

The first three scans are of Calculha"s (Arion's father) Crystal. You'll notice it mention it gives him much power and untold secrets and knowledge. these scans are from issues 7 and 8 of his solo series.. The fourth is when in the heart of his mother's realm he states he us unused to such mighty magic. This scan was much later in the same run indicating that the power he has here is even greater. Scan 5 and 7 are of him calling on the power of many stars. This is after his father's essence moves a star closer to him but he is still on earth and it is in the heavens. Scan 6 shows how easily he moves the citadel of his father and scan 8 shows that it is what he sought out to gain the advantage on his brother (he warns said brother in scan 2 he is flying the citadel to him to fight with it's power.

At the onset of prep Arion will TP link my team, so that I gain better communications improving my perfect teamwork even more.

Once that is done he will summon the weaver who he will make weave a connection to the many coloured threads to his team mate John Constantine. I can here the questions now, why would he need such a thing. Isn’t Constantine a powerful mage in his own right? Well he does wield power but doesn’t really have power. Constantine uses ritual magic that uses energy around him and has consequences. By being connected to the many coloured thread a source of real magic he would have power in his own right

Here is just two of several times he has summoned the weaver to reconnect himself to the magical power.

Now you will notice in one scan the weaver says he will never do tis fro Arion again, but in this case he is doing it for Con John and John is a lot more capable of influencing people to do what hw wants them to.

https://imgur.com/ydwLwxA

Constantine was able to convince god to let him have his way, I very much doubt that the weaver will be a problem

The last thing Arion will do in this first hour of prep is to manipulate the DNA of Starfire, Maxima and Etrigan to make them stonger, Faster and more durable. In post crisis he was responsible for giving Powergirl her powers and in the Nu52 he altered normal people to be meta humans. So this really isn’t a problem. For example he was once able to make himself stronger than Superman

The second hour of my prep will be in the house of mystery

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Here Arion, Constantine and Etrigan will all cast spells to see the future. they will spend 50 minutes of the hour watching the battle that is about to transpire. They will finish by linking those spells to a small center of the brain so that they continue to see future glimpses once the battle starts of anything that changes. they will then each cast a different spell. Constantine will cast a spell of protection on all my team as well. Even without personal power his force fields were strong enough to protect him from Superman and he has stated that if he was prepared to loose an arm he could bind Spectre so these are pretty strong. Arion meanwhile will cast a spell of cloaking. Finally my team will ride the house of mystery to the battlefield.

Ok So my team arrive on the battle field with bodies stronger faster and more durable than Superman and force fields stronger than those that can protect from Superman. with complete foresight of the battle about to unfold and completely hidden from their perception. As superman can withstand Black holes this type of attack will not be a problem for my team as they came prepared for them, fully aware of this type of attck being eminent.

As soon as my team leave the house of mystery on the planet the House transports into space at the edge of the solar system (within the battlefield so that later actions will not be a BFR which is against the rules) and my team begin simultaineously doing the following. Constantine will create a shield around the planet that contains all within. Metamorpho with turn to phosphorous and spread out through the air. Maxima will use her ferrokinisis to pull iron out of the planet and spread it throughout the air. Starfire with fire a full stellar blast at Arion to fully amplify him to maximum energy levels. The next action will see Etrigan, Arion, and Starfire simultaneously blast the atmosphere with the full power of Arion and Starfire's stellar energy and Etrigan's hellfire igniting the planet's atmosphere into a complete fireball. The instant this starts the house of mystery will pull all my team into it's walls for protection and from their they will watch the planet explode and be engulfed in a ball of flame. From this distant point nearer the stars Arion will draw more stellar energy and move stars closer to feed him as he continues to poor devastating waves of destructi

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@beatboks1:

Place 3 close to a star. Arion draws on the power of stellar energy (light) to power him. He has one feat where after his I’m going to forgo the usual introduction to characters and just cover that in the course of my posts.

The only reason Starfire is here is purely and solely to amp Arion with her stellar energy bursts

Scan 5 and 7 are of him calling on the power of many stars. This is after his father's essence moves a star closer to him but he is still on earth and it is in the heavens.

Starfire has never had power comparable to an actual star, which if nothing else should be evident by her point value. She can manipulate solar energy, and her nova blasts sometimes share the superficial characteristics of one. But it's standard energy projection. Saying that the only reason you chose her was to amp Arion with Stellar blasts makes her quite useless and throws a wrench in your plan. Arion won't have a fraction of the power he requires to carry out the rest of your strategy with him if you assume he's operating on star-level energy values.

Once that is done he will summon the weaver who he will make weave a connection to the many coloured threads to his team mate John Constantine. I can here the questions now, why would he need such a thing. Isn’t Constantine a powerful mage in his own right? Well he does wield power but doesn’t really have power. Constantine uses ritual magic that uses energy around him and has consequences. By being connected to the many coloured thread a source of real magic he would have power in his own right

Very doubtful this would happen. You conveniently chose not to post the full scene of Arion's first encounter with the Weaver. After summoning him the Weaver refused to help Arion, and then he immediately tried to kill him. He would have succeeded until Bzil threw at rock at him (Weaver's weakness is physical contact)[1].

Arion, Lord of Atlantis #28
Arion, Lord of Atlantis #28

You acknowledge that the Weaver told Arion not to summon him again after this, but it goes much deeper than you're letting on. Weaver and Arion are nothing short of mortal enemies now. Some time after these events they had a major fallout and Arion banished Weaver to the Darkworld for eternity, along with other enemies of Atlantis ("Dark Gods of Evil").

Power Girl vol. 1 #3
Power Girl vol. 1 #3

Power Girl's entire solo series revolved around Weaver trying to kill her in revenge for Arion (who at the time was believed to be her grandfather) exiling him into the Darkworld forever. Weaver himself said he couldn't leave the Darkworld if he wanted to (Power Girl vol. 1 #4, September 1988 - "Destiny").

Arion summoning him would not be in-character, especially since your prep strategy contradicts the only reason Arion ever summoned him before. Arion was depowered and couldn't use any magic in that issue, he was weakened to the point he failed to grow a flower for Bzil. Id.

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So he needed Weaver's threads to restore his magical ability. If you thought to argue that Starfire would amp Arion to his strongest levels possible, then why would he ever think to invite his mortal enemy to the battlefield? To compensate for Constantine's shortcomings, that he wouldn't know of beforehand? Unless you propose that Constantine would willingly volunteer the information himself, in hopes that Arion or a member of his team would have a solution to it? That wouldn't be in-character for him either. He's too haughty for that.

This is a very implausible and illogical strategy that isn't consistent with other aspects of your own prep, and assumes characters acting outside of their normal behavior and best interests to realize.

The last thing Arion will do in this first hour of prep is to manipulate the DNA of Starfire, Maxima and Etrigan to make them stonger, Faster and more durable. In post crisis he was responsible for giving Powergirl her powers and in the Nu52 he altered normal people to be meta humans. So this really isn’t a problem. For example he was once able to make himself stronger than Superman

Arion needed special talismans and relics to transform into a grotesque Cthulhu-type monster in order to be faster and stronger than Superman.

(Superman 1939 Annual #13)

And it was only for a brief moment as Superman stomped him after he got semi-serious. Id.

Though Arion was able to transform the New Gods into Leviathans as well. Superman was clearly holding back in this instance and they weren't able to overwhelm him. Just stall him while Arion looked for the relics he needed to power up and fight him. Id.

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Hardly usable for scaling. You might mention Phantom Stranger's magical protection at the beginning of their fight. But Superman is famously vulnerable to magic so they just balance out.

Even if they could scale Mu would stomp an army of Supermen so this entire thing was pointless.

The second hour of my prep will be in the house of mystery

Here Arion, Constantine and Etrigan will all cast spells to see the future. they will spend 50 minutes of the hour watching the battle that is about to transpire. They will finish by linking those spells to a small center of the brain so that they continue to see future glimpses once the battle starts of anything that changes. they will then each cast a different spell. Constantine will cast a spell of protection on all my team as well. Even without personal power his force fields were strong enough to protect him from Superman and he has stated that if he was prepared to loose an arm he could bind Spectre so these are pretty strong. Arion meanwhile will cast a spell of cloaking. Finally my team will ride the house of mystery to the battlefield.

All three of their future visions together wouldn't help them against Battle Computer. Midnighter can see trillions of potential versions of an entire day ahead (even conversations), and not just millions per second but *every* possible outcome of a battle before the first punch is thrown. He states after finding a "closing scene he loves" he works his way back to discern how it all went down. (Midnighter vol. 1 #7, July 2007 - "Fait Accompli").

Unless you can see more potential futures, more per second, more detailed than he can, and reverse plan every move more carefully then him, your future sight would be outstripped and you'd still fall victim to my attacks.

The opposite would not be true with Spider-Sense working in tandem as well as Mu's natural speed which is tiers beyond your characters. Spider-sense would enable characters to instinctively react to attacks massively faster than what they could dodge naturally. It's allowed Peter to narrowly escape attacks expressly faster than himself on multiple occasions. Including the speed of light. Like here in his battle with Lightmaster and Dazzler (The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #203, April 1980 -"Bewitched, Bothered and Be-Dazzled!").

Dazzler being possessed by Edward Lansky who Spider-Man fought on another occasion and dodged a few attacks before being tagged by a full frontal light speed blast. Peter was blinded by the light of his attacks and explicitly mentioned he was solely relying on his spider-sense in that scene to get by.

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Worth mentioning he also replicated this feat by preemptively dodging Nicolas Powers lasers stated to move at the speed of light (The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #336).

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Another cool thing about Spider-Sense is that on top of all it's shown to do it can slow down your perception of time massively (The Spectacular Spider-Man Vol. 2 #2, September 2003 - "The Hunger: Part 2 of 5").

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One of Mu's weakest forms, Dragon Queen, was able to complete a picosecond level feat at less than 10% of her power[2]- and this took place well before a large power spike in Mu's abilities. Meaning he would be in the high femtosecond range currently. The feat takes a bit of calculation but the numbers are expressly given so there is no need for indulgence.

A cornered Battle Puppet's decided to use a last ditch attack called Silver Shower Needles (ch. 85) that propelled millions of MHS projectiles across a city to kill everyone. Dragon Queen stated it took her 3 seconds to individually calculate the trajectory of each and every needle, and she suspended them in midair before they could harm anyone.

Iron Ladies #86

The first scary fact given is that the needles were going to kill every person within 500 kilometers had the Heaven Tier Angels not intervened, and it traveled that distance in seconds. (The Angels who are unbelievably fast themselves could only protect people for thirty seconds, but the needles covered the range of the giant city Alkaid--which is actually 800km--in seconds). (ch.79).

This makes each individual needle at least mach 1-2000+ or many times faster than natural lightning (which is mach 286).

In addition to their speed, there is the number of them. "Fifty hundred thousand" is just a rough Chinese translation. It equals five million (add the zeroes).

So basically Dragon Queen was fast enough to calculate the trajectory and freeze five million quad mach needles fired omnidirectionally before any of them could land on people, despite some being inches away, in 3 seconds. Which equals 1.6 million per second.

Taking the one that almost struck Ding Yuan as an example, it had a few inches to reach her, and it moves at at LEAST mach 1000. This would give Dragon Queen a timeframe of approximately 0.0000002221574 seconds to stop not just that one, but 1,666,666 other projectiles of similar speed within that second, while they are moving but before they can hit anyone.

In order to calculate the trajectory of 1,666,666 needles across hundreds of kilometers in a timeframe of 0.00000022 seconds, she would have to be fast enough to calculate a single one in a matter of picoseconds (actually hundreds of femtoseconds, pico is 1e-12 and she did a single needle in 1.32e-13, but this is easier to say).

Some may point out this is processing speed, but the fact that she did this and suspended the needles in midair using a space manipulation technique called Void Shift makes it a reaction speed feat applicable to combat. Especially since I'm arguing Mu spawning his black holes here, which is another thought-activated space manipulation ability. Additionally Dragon Queen did it at 10% of her power, so there's no doubt in my mind that at full power she can physically keep up with femtoecond timers anyway. With Battle Computer and Spider-Sense meshing together to create a form of MUI as explained between my two posts, I don't see any possible way you could avoid the black holes and there are very few characters in this tourney fast enough to keep up with him.

Ok So my team arrive on the battle field with bodies stronger faster and more durable than Superman and force fields stronger than those that can protect from Superman. with complete foresight of the battle about to unfold and completely hidden from their perception. As superman can withstand Black holes this type of attack will not be a problem for my team as they came prepared for them, fully aware of this type of attck being eminent.

Superman can fly through black holes or potentially survive being inside of one but what I'm arguing is completely different. Mu can and will create a black holes inside of your characters bodies. If he spawns a black hole in their brains or hearts there's no way to dodge or escape it, especially when considering that this is a supermassive black hole with the mass and destructive power of 1000 Suns. One that expressly collapses space—not just bend it—to erase your physical existence. This is a poor counterargument against the attack even if Mu wasn't obscenely powerful than Superman and your scaling to him was faulty.

As soon as my team leave the house of mystery on the planet the House transports into space at the edge of the solar system (within the battlefield so that later actions will not be a BFR which is against the rules) and my team begin simultaineously doing the following. Constantine will create a shield around the planet that contains all within. Metamorpho with turn to phosphorous and spread out through the air. Maxima will use her ferrokinisis to pull iron out of the planet and spread it throughout the air. Starfire with fire a full stellar blast at Arion to fully amplify him to maximum energy levels. The next action will see Etrigan, Arion, and Starfire simultaneously blast the atmosphere with the full power of Arion and Starfire's stellar energy and Etrigan's hellfire igniting the planet's atmosphere into a complete fireball. The instant this starts the house of mystery will pull all my team into it's walls for protection and from their they will watch the planet explode and be engulfed in a ball of flame. From this distant point nearer the stars Arion will draw more stellar energy and move stars closer to feed him as he continues to poor devastating waves of destruction

There are many problems with this. Some already stated like 1) Starfire not being star level, and by proxy neither would Arion unless he absorbs energy from the Sun in the system directly. 2) burning the atmosphere would definitely kill Starfire and Metamorpho and Maxima. Etrigan Arion and Constantine (assuming they make it into the HoM on time) would be protected from the planets explosion but 3) that's self-BFR as the HoM exists outside of reality. 4) Destroying the planet wouldn't scratch Mu. One of his soul soldiers no-sold 5,000 volcano eruptions of a sentient planet named Cloud Immortal. These explosions were stated to have the power of nukes. Just 258 nukes in the Iron ladies world (22nd century technology) could blow up a planet[3]. So he can just bathe in nearly 20x planet busting energy.

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5) Mu's black holes devour and one-shot your team before any of this happens as they will spawn inside all your characters as soon as the match starts.

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great post

"great"? Ehh

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great post

"great"? Ehh

Why can't it be "great"? The standards for "great" as an adjective just put it one step above "good"

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@naronu said:

great post

"great"? Ehh

Why can't it be "great"? The standards for "great" as an adjective just put it one step above "good"

cuz it isn't

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I think I preferred the poetry

LOL.

T4V. I seriously meant to enter this tourney but time got away from me. Tuff.

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@higherpower:

So sorry dude. I didn't realise how time poor I am these days. This is the first chance I've had to get on line for even a few minutes in over a week. I'm going to have to forfiet, best of luck in the tourney. I really should have kept to not joining