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#1 Edited by BloodyFlix (33 posts) - - Show Bio

This is one of my favorite Wizard Magazine articles. While I don't agree with it completely, I did find their breakdown of the battles fun to read. What's everyone's take on it? 
 
I unfortunately couldn't get the pics to come up 
 
P.S.  I wasn't sure if I should post this here or in the general forum though.  
 

LAST MAN STANDING

"WIZARD" RANKS THE 10 TOUGHEST SUPERHEROES IN COMICS

       

Welcome Earthlings... I am Uatu.  I am called many things by many tribes. Your people know me as The WATCHER. The data below was originally printed in Wizard Magazine #70 in June 1997......

It's the one debate that's been raging for over 50 years: "My favorite superhero can beat up your superhero!"  And there's never been a clear-cut answer.   Until now.

What WIZARD has done is gathered up all the superheroes in comic-dom, pitted them against one-another and determined not only who the top 10 most powerful superheroes are, but how they placed on that top 10 list as well.

Our criteria for placement was as follows:

  1. Only superheroes allowed.  No super villians or ridiculously cosmic beings of a higher "universal" order (like Galactus, Highfather, Neron or Mephisto) allowed.  And ...
  2. This was treated as a no-holds-barred, do-or-die contest.  Each character is giving it his all in the battles we've set before them.

With that said, meet the #10 man on the list ...

10)   HULK   

HIS DEAL:   Caught in the heart of a gamma bomb explosion, genius scientist Dr. Robert Bruce Banner finds himself transformed into a 7-foot, one-ton green behemoth with near-unlimited strength, rapid tissue-regenerative powers and nigh-inexhaustible stamina.

WHY HE'S #10: "Hulk Smash! ... and that's about it. Yeah, he may possess Banner's keen scientific mind and the ruthless cunning of Mr. Fixit, but on this list of supermen, warrior women and Norse gods, the Hulk's muscle just ain't enough to overcome the #10 slot.

 
9)
  FIRESTORM

  

HIS DEAL:   Trapped in an experimental nuclear reactor, high school student Ronnie Raymond and Prof. Martin Stein gained the ability to merge into the superhero Firestorm, a being with the ability to alter his own molecular density and the molecular configuration of all inanimate matter.

WHY HE'S #9: Ronnie's a young turk who's easily distracted, even with Stein playing the brainy scientist. While the Hulk's limited powers are something Ronnie could handle, any of the more varied attacks from the really diversified guys on this list would clean Ronnie's clock.

VS. HULK: One heavy-duty adamantium prison cell whipped up outta nowhere, and the Hulk is outta the fight in five seconds flat.

 
8)
  PROFESSOR X      (PRE-ONSLAUGHT)  

HIS DEAL:   Born a mutant, Prof. X is the world's most powerful telepath. Despite being wheelchair-bound, he can read minds and wipe minds clean.

WHY HE'S #8: While the good professor may possess the most powerful melon on Earth, his frail body would prove too much a liability against the powerhouses on this list.

VS. HULK: No contest. Prof. X would sense ol' Green-genes' thoughts from a mile away, and after having zero success trying to reason with him, turn ol' Jade Jaws into a green vegetable.

VS. FIRESTORM: Before Firestorm could think of a way to nix him, Prof. X. would "hear" his thoughts and force Stein and Raymond to separate into their powerless civilian personas.

 
7)
  SPAWN 

HIS DEAL:   Making a deal with the devil, government assassin Al Simmons was resurrected with a price: finite magical powers capable of nearly any feat imaginable but, when exhausted, will drag him back to Hell to lead its forces against Heaven.

WHY HE'S #7: His fear of using his finite powers against the titans on this list would give his opponents an opportunity to get a second shot in --- which, against this crowd, would be one shot too many.

VS. HULK: Spawn has lost body parts in the past without sweating it too much, so while the green skin goliath may punch an arm or two off, Spawny-guy here can take the punishment and blast the big guy to atoms.

VS. FIRESTORM: Though they have similar powers, Spawn has the edge in that he can also create things outta nothing. Bound by common physics, Firestorm wouldn't have a prayer against a guy who has the powers of hell behind him.

VS. PROF. X: When Chuck probes a disturbing alienish mind, he gets all disoriented -- and they don't come more disturbing than resurrected government hit men/generals-in-training for Satan's war against Heaven. The second Charlie taps into Al's noggin, BAM! The Professor'd be stunned for a few seconds and that's all Al'd need to leave Chuck a stain in a wheelchair.

 
6)
  DR. STRANGE   

HIS DEAL:   As our dimension's Sorcerer Supreme, Steven Strange stands as the first and last line of defense against all magic-based menaces that threaten our dimension.

WHY HE'S #6: While he's beaten cosmic menaces to save the universe countless times, Doc Strange is only human with limited stamina, speed and reflexes.

VS. HULK: He's beaten the Hulk before (Hulk #300), and he'd do it again. Teleporting him to another dimension, forcing him to sleep, making the Hulk believe he's already won the fight and getting him to walk away ... the list goes on and on.

VS. FIRESTORM: Know how Spawn's mystical powers would overwhelm Firestorm? Doc's spell casting would do it the same way. Just faster.

VS. PROF. X: Wouldn't Prof. X see him coming? Not when Dr. Strange steps out of a side dimension with a host of spells at the ready, kyboshing the Professor before he had time to spin his wheelchair around.

VS. SPAWN: Two things tip it in Doc's favor. First, he's been around a lot longer, traveled to countless dimensions with varied battlegrounds and has forgotten more mystic battles than Spawn's ever experienced. Secondly, while Spawn is cautious with his power, the Doc would just cut loose.

 
5)
  FLASH   

HIS DEAL:   Wally West taps into the Speed Force, a universal force that gives him the ability to run, think and react at near-light speed.

WHY HE'S #5: It's next to impossible to react to this guy's attack. You're not going to see him coming, and by the time you realize he's there, he's already hit you a hundred times over.

VS. HULK: The Flash would just vibrate through the Hulk and, ewww, make him explode.

VS. FIRESTORM: For all his powers, Ronnie'd have no time to react to the Flash or even turn intangible. Flash would be all over this guy like white on rice.

VS. PROF. X: Knowing the Flash is one-tenth of a nanosecond away from clocking you isn't going to do you much good. Bye-bye, Chuck.

VS. SPAWN: 99 percent of Spawn's foes are just big hulking guys relying on raw power. The flash represents a foe unlike anything ol' Spawny-guy has ever faced, whereas Wally has dealt with magic-based foes before. This fight's over without Al ever knowing who clobbered him.

VS. DR. STRANGE: Same deal as Spawn. Doc Strange isn't going to know hitting him and isn't going to stay conscious long enough to find out.

 
4)
  WONDER WOMAN   

HER DEAL:   Spawned by Greek goddesses on the paradise , Diana is an immortal Amazon granted flight, incredible strength, speed, wisdom, and beauty.

WHY SHE'S #4: Raised an Amazon warrior, Wonder Woman isn't just some muscle-bound brawler--- she's a highly skilled warrior who knows how to spot an enemy's weakness and exploit it.

VS. HULK: While the two are pretty evenly matched strength-wise, Diana gets the advantage with speed. flight and warrior skills. As cagey and sharp as the Hulk is, he isn't as skilled in tactical combat.

VS. FIRESTORM: Like Flash, Diana'd use super speed to land one quick punch. And when you're as strong as the Hulk, that's about all you need.

VS. PROF. X: After countless battles of wills through fighting the Greek gods' magic and bending people to her will through her magic lasso, we see Wonder Woman being grabbed by Chuck telepathically. But a sluggish Diana either grabs the Prof with her lasso and commands him to stop or just hits him with some loose debris. Either scenario takes Charlie outta the fight.

VS. SPAWN: She could take the early hits Spawn would probably nail her with, but she wouldn't be hit by that many. Fueled by speed, strength and warrior know-how, Spawn goes down for the count.

VS. DR. STRANGE: Wonder Woman is based in magic, so while Doc is busy unsuccessfully trying to mess with her on that front (no way is he undoing the work of the Greek gods); Diana's super speed has her on him from all fronts battering his shields with near-Superman-level strength. With that kind of onslaught, she's bound to tag him once, which is all she needs.

VS. FLASH: We see Diana hammered relentlessly by hundreds of blows from the as-good-as-invisible Flash. But between her nigh-invulnerability, super speed and canny fighting prowess, she'd eventually detect a pattern in the Flash's attack and stun him with a glancing blow. Long enough for Diana to finish the job and then collapse.

 
3)
  SUPERMAN      (PRE-"ELECTRO-SUPERMAN") 
  

HIS DEAL:   Rocketed from the exploding planet Krypton, Clark grew to adulthood on Earth to learn that this planet's yellow sun and weaker gravity gave him near-invulnerability strength, speed, stamina, hearing, etc. Calling himself Superman, he now fights the never-ending battle for truth, justice and the American way!

WHY HE'S #3: This guy's name pretty much says it all. We've already see the power the Flash has as his command with super speed, so when you mix in super strength, heat vision, invulnerability and the other dozen powers at Supes' command, he becomes fairly unbeatable.

VS. HULK: We actually saw this already in Marvel vs. DC #3, which saw Supes coming out on top. While the Hulk can stand toe-to-toe in strength, Big Blue's super speed, flight and heat vision put him over the top.

VS. FIRESTORM: While Supes would be in trouble if Firestorm got a bead on him (Firestorm once trapped Supes in a kryptonite bubble back in Fury of Firestorm #4), Supes' speed has him getting the drop on Ronnie, and ending the fight before it ever begins.

VS. PROF. X: Though Supes wouldn't take Chuck down as fast as the Flash did, it would only be by a half-second or so.

VS. SPAWN: For those of you not in the know, magic (along with kryptonite) is one of the few things that really cripple Supes. Good thing Supes' Flash-like speed lets him get in close to Spawn and take him down with a super-punch before Al even knows what hit him.

VS. DR. STRANGE: We see Supes having a lot more trouble with Doc than with Spawn, simply because Doc's a sorcery veteran. But even if he bounced off an initial deflective shield, no way can Doc get a bead on him for a direct attack. A super speed delivered punch or zap of heat vision wraps up the flight in under a minute.

VS. FLASH: Yeah, the Flash is faster, but Supes ain't no slouch in the speed department, either, giving Wally only slight edge. Plus, like WW, Supes can take anything the Flash can dish out and eventually land a knock-out blow.

VS. WONDER WOMAN: Now this would be a cool fight! Fairly evenly matched with flight, strength and speed, Supes is still just a little tougher, a little faster and just a tad stronger. Diana would eventually tire, while Supes is a living solar battery with enough power reserves to be the one (barely) standing at the end of the battle.

 
2)
  THOR   

HIS DEAL:   The actual Norse God of Thunder, Thor possesses "normal" Asgardian attributes including immorality, super strength and nigh-invulnerability. He is armed with Mjolnir, the mystical war hammer capable of opening passageways through space and time, blocking all sorts of energy blasts and bending the elements to its master's will.

WHY HE'S #2: This guy is a Norse god warrior, trained and skilled in the art of battle. And he's been doing it for countless ages. Give him a magical hammer and the power over the elements, and he's unbeatable. Almost.

VS. HULK: The Hulk may be as tough and as strong as Thor, but Goldilock's got 'im beat in the skill department, seeing as how he's been fighting gods, armies, trolls and wizards for over a millennium. It might mean a couple days bed rest afterward, but Thor wins the belt in this bout.

VS. FIRESTORM: Surprised by the sheer force of the storm and unexpected lightening bursts. Firestorm loses his concentration and becomes tangible. Yeah, he wouldn't be beaten by the storm, but one shot from Mjolnir would knock the Nuclear Man senseless.

VS. PROF. X: Pushing himself to the limits in his search for the mind behind the storm buffeting the mansion (Mjolnir's magic at work), Prof. X detects Thor's presence seconds before Thor clobbers him into unconsciousness.

VS. SPAWN: Puh-lease! Thor's already faced down all sorts of demonic magic types like Hela (Asgard's ruler of Hell), so while Spawn may take some time to wear down, trapping him in the middle of a hurricane, hailing a blitzkrieg of lightening bolts on 'im and pounding him with Mjolnir would leave Al a pile of pulpy necroplasm.

VS. DR. STRANGE: Magic? No problema! You gotta remember that Thor's trusty hammer Mjolnir can handle any magic tossed Thor's way. Doc might as well be weaving a blanket instead of a spell, 'cause Thor'd make him say "good night".

VS. FLASH: Similar to his bout with Wonder Woman, the Flash would get in some good shots against the Thunder God... but if it's one thing Thor has shown, it's that he can take punishment. Between the monstrous storm that'd spring up out of nowhere, dodging lightening bolts and whirling hammers, the Flash would eventually be tagged and, well that'd be that.

VS. WONDER WOMAN: The coolest fight on this whole list!!! Two super-strong, super-tough warriors battling it out with sheer power and skills in a battle that would leave both warriors horrifically wounded and completely exhausted... with Thor the last one standing. He's just tougher, with a billion more lifetimes of battle-experience beneath his belt.

VS. SUPERMAN: While Supes has the edge in speed and flight (Thor gets pulled by his hammer; he doesn’t really fly.), once again Thor's warrior training and combat experience would give him the edge he needs to have more of his blows connect, eventually laying the Kryptonian flat. It's all in the name: Super-Man; Thor, God of Thunder.

 
1)
  SILVER SURFER   

HIS DEAL:   As the former herald of the world-devourer Galactus, Norrin Radd possesses the "power cosmic," an energy source capable of almost any feat imaginable, making him one of the most powerful beings in the cosmos.

WHY HE'S #1: The Surfer is the fringe character that separates humanity from the omnipotence of Galactus or Eternity, making him tops on our list. His power cosmic is so powerful that it's not a matter of what the Surfer can do, it's what he can't. Matter-manipulation, the power reserves of stars; traveling at light speed ... he may even be able to create life. He's truly in a power class of his own.

VS. HULK: The Hulk may be physically stronger than the Surfer, but c'mon, our boy Norrin would never let the Hulk get near him. He'd zip up on the Hulk at near-light speed, unleash just a fraction of the power cosmic and, when the Hulk came to at the bottom of the smoking crater a couple days later, the Surfer'd be done kicking the crap out of the rest of the heroes on this list.

VS. FIRESTORM: No contest. Whatever Ronnie can do, Norrin can undo. With the skill and far greater matter-manipulation power at his command, Firestorm rates a two-panel fight at best.

VS. PROF. X: Yeah, you guessed it, between the Surfer's incomprehensible speed and indomitable will, Prof. X may give the Surfer a run for his money in chess, but not in combat.

VS. SPAWN: The Surfer's faced down Mephisto, Marvel's version of Satan, so a Satan-flunkie like Spawn ain't gonna do much that the Surfer hasn't overcome before.

VS. DR. STRANGE: Dr. Strange is a human conduit of magic with human frailties, while the Surfer can stand at the center of a super-nova without breaking a sweat. It might take a couple of hours, but Strange would burn himself out trying to dent the Surfer.

VS. FLASH: Sorry, the Surfer is faster than the Flash, with the power of the universe at his command. Once you take away his speed, Wally is just a guy. G'night, Wally.

VS. WONDER WOMAN: Diana may be a better fighter, but the Surfer is faster, tougher and more powerful. Ten bucks says Wonder Woman's bracelets aren't up to deflecting the power cosmic.

VS. SUPERMAN: While Supes might land a couple of blows as the Surfer is trying to talk to him, our bald buddy Norrin could either hammer Supes into submission with the power cosmic or suck all the solar energy out of him with his energy manipulation powers.

VS. THOR: Surfer's power cosmic is fairly evenly matched with Mjolnir (whose magical properties aren't affected by the universe's laws of physics), which would absorb/deflect Surfer's power for a while. While Surfer couldn't do much physical damage to Thor, Thor would hammer the Surfer unconscious ... if he could hit'em. And even though Mjolnir could block Surfer's powerful blasts, some would eventually land. As the battle progressed, more and more of the Surfer's blows would connect until one super-blast of the power cosmic would put the Odinson down for the count. And the worst part? The Surfer, one of the noblest spirits in the universe, would search the rubble after the fight, grab Mjolnir and head off to .


   
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#2 Posted by Silver2467 (16759 posts) - - Show Bio

This should probably be in General Discussion or Off topic. In relation to the thread, I have read it before, and it is absolutely ridiculous. 

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#3 Posted by GT-Man (4039 posts) - - Show Bio

cool
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#4 Posted by Evil-Incarnate (6996 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
"This should probably be in General Discussion or Off topic. In relation to the thread, I have read it before, and it is absolutely ridiculous.  "

Not to mention completely outdated.
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#5 Posted by StrongestOneThereIs (7064 posts) - - Show Bio
@Evil Incarnate said:
"@Silver2467 said:
"This should probably be in General Discussion or Off topic. In relation to the thread, I have read it before, and it is absolutely ridiculous.  "
Not to mention completely outdated. "

And off in many ways 
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#6 Posted by Evil-Incarnate (6996 posts) - - Show Bio
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
"@Evil Incarnate said:
"@Silver2467 said:
"This should probably be in General Discussion or Off topic. In relation to the thread, I have read it before, and it is absolutely ridiculous.  "
Not to mention completely outdated. "
And off in many ways  "

Wizard Magazine is a joke.
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#7 Posted by beatboks1 (9912 posts) - - Show Bio

A lot of arguments can be made for a lot of characters not on that list to be in it. Just as many could be made for a vast shift in order of those currently on it. 
For myself one character I'd ague beats out Hulk, Firestorm and Prof X ( and one who'll never make any list due to the fact he was only published in Australia to my belief) is Dark Nebula.
 
His deal - While fighting a would be conquering alien on the space station Threshold Mark Medula and the alien Cerelus are both killed (Cerelus' body destroyed). The two souls occupy the same dead body giving the body the powers both of Cerelus ( a powerful psionic ) and Mark ,who is unknown to himself a descendant of  witches ( his power amplifies the psionic abilities of Cerelus as well as granting the incredibly powerful Dark Fire .
 
Why he'd be 7 His Telekinetic ability was enough to hold together a fully laden (6 lane city) bridge during rush hour traffic, when bombed.  He.s also used it to simulate super strength in many other ways (bend steel, punch through walls , lift and throw planes ships etc) plus force fields. He's indestructible (already dead so pretty hard if possible at all  to kill). His telepathy has allowed him to sense aliens  who are only just in the solar system (though he rarely ever uses it  to probe anyone's mind) and track someone across country. The topper is his Dark fire which has in blast form destroyed all life on an over populated  planet (Cerelus' race, resulting in their  evolving into a new higher evolved life form, and Cerelus and he reaching detente and longer fighting for control). The Dark fire also was sufficient to make the escaping hordes of hell retreat (apparently the fires of hell were easier to take) and allowed him to transport back from the past to the present  (though to be honest he still doesn't know how) through a portal.
 
Against Hulk  He TK throws him into another continent or blasts the flesh from his bones)
 
Against  Firestorm his TP lets him know he's coming and blasts him b4 he knows what happens
 
Against Prof X his own mental abilities are enough to counter Charles and he lays waste to him with TK

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#8 Posted by RiseofApocalypse (4095 posts) - - Show Bio

Strange wins.

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#9 Edited by judgernaut (11 posts) - - Show Bio

In my opinion I think Thor would easily beat the Silver Surfer for more reasons than one. Here are a few of these reasons:

1) Silver surfer possesses only a fraction of Galactus' power cosmic. Thor possesses the Thor Force which is Thor's version of the Odin Force which is powerful enough to match beings like Galactus. I believe that in this sense the Thor Force wins.

2) The part where it says, "And the worst part? The Surfer, one of the noblest spirits in the universe, would search the rubble after the fight, grab Mjolnir and head off to" is I think misleading. Even though silver surfer may be noble does not make him automatically worthy to carry/lift/possess Mjolnir. It is stated that so far the only beings worthy to possess, "the powers of Thor" are Thor, the Red Norvell, Odin, Beta Ray Bill, and Captain America. Silver Surfer is not on this list. He would not be able to take Mjolnir with him.

3)Thor also possesses the god-blast. The god-blast taps into Thor's life force and he will only use it when he is losing a large fight or really he is desperate. Thor could use this on the silver surfer. The god-blast would make silver surfer's power seems like firecrackers compared to the god-blast. This is the power that caused so much damage that it made Galactus himself flee in fear.

4)Thor is invulnerable to powerful blasts so the blasts that the Silver Surfer can send at Thor wouldn't do much damage to Thor at all. This is considering that Thor doesn't use Mjolnir to defend/absorb this blast. Plus through Mjolnir, if Thor absorbs the power thrown by the Silver Surfer, he can redirect it towards the Silver Surfer, amplified many times over and could defeat Silver Surfer with exactly what Silver Surfer attacked Thor with.

5)Although it can be argued that these two individuals have power/energy levels that are on par with each other Thor is much stronger when it comes to strength and he he is a master combatant and tactician whereas Silver Surfer is not.

I mean Thor is so powerful it is unbelievable. He was able to destroy the brain dome of the mighty celestial, Exitar the Executioner. I am not implying that the Silver Surfer is Weak. Silver Surfer is as well insanely powerful. But I don't think Silver Surfer has a chance against Thor.

Source(s): http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)

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#10 Edited by AngryHulks (3735 posts) - - Show Bio

The writer of this article must be Silver Surfer fanboy judging from the tone in his writing.

Wizard Magazine is very dumb anyway.

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#11 Posted by GraniteSoldier (12746 posts) - - Show Bio

Spawn should be in the top 3...and their depiction of him being a "Satan flunkie" is insulting. Spawn can give Surfer a handful, and beat Thor or Superman...

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#12 Edited by DeathandGrim (4807 posts) - - Show Bio

no Spidey or Wolvie?

Spawn vote

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#13 Edited by Edude117 (370 posts) - - Show Bio

"Sorry, the Surfer is faster than the Flash..."

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#14 Posted by SheenLantern (7619 posts) - - Show Bio

I like how he calls Thor a better combatant than Superman.

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#15 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (3081 posts) - - Show Bio

In my opinion I think Thor would easily beat the Silver Surfer for more reasons than one. Here are a few of these reasons:

1) Silver surfer possesses only a fraction of Galactus' power cosmic. Thor possesses the Thor Force which is Thor's version of the Odin Force which is powerful enough to match beings like Galactus. I believe that in this sense the Thor Force wins.

2) The part where it says, "And the worst part? The Surfer, one of the noblest spirits in the universe, would search the rubble after the fight, grab Mjolnir and head off to" is I think misleading. Even though silver surfer may be noble does not make him automatically worthy to carry/lift/possess Mjolnir. It is stated that so far the only beings worthy to possess, "the powers of Thor" are Thor, the Red Norvell, Odin, Beta Ray Bill, and Captain America. Silver Surfer is not on this list. He would not be able to take Mjolnir with him.

3)Thor also possesses the god-blast. The god-blast taps into Thor's life force and he will only use it when he is losing a large fight or really he is desperate. Thor could use this on the silver surfer. The god-blast would make silver surfer's power seems like firecrackers compared to the god-blast. This is the power that caused so much damage that it made Galactus himself flee in fear.

4)Thor is invulnerable to powerful blasts so the blasts that the Silver Surfer can send at Thor wouldn't do much damage to Thor at all. This is considering that Thor doesn't use Mjolnir to defend/absorb this blast. Plus through Mjolnir, if Thor absorbs the power thrown by the Silver Surfer, he can redirect it towards the Silver Surfer, amplified many times over and could defeat Silver Surfer with exactly what Silver Surfer attacked Thor with.

5)Although it can be argued that these two individuals have power/energy levels that are on par with each other Thor is much stronger when it comes to strength and he he is a master combatant and tactician whereas Silver Surfer is not.

I mean Thor is so powerful it is unbelievable. He was able to destroy the brain dome of the mighty celestial, Exitar the Executioner. I am not implying that the Silver Surfer is Weak. Silver Surfer is as well insanely powerful. But I don't think Silver Surfer has a chance against Thor.

Source(s): http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)

You actually make some pretty good points. i don't think either of the two don't stand a chance against either I think it would be close.

1) I only remember the Thor Force ever being brought up was when Skyfather Thor renamed the Odin Force. He does not have that on a normal basis and skyfathers are more powerful than surfer, Odin one shoted him twice.

2)I agree.

3)Well Galactus fleed because he was starving and at that point of hunger the god blast would have killed him. But a normal galactus took a blast from Thor amped by not just the silver surfer but also rachel gray as the phoenix.

4)Surfer could do that with lighting or any other blast thor throws at the same time assuming it is not a god blast of course. It would require him to dodge all blasts with mjolnier tho.

5) Surfer can amp his strength but he doesent really. And yes he is a better fighter. He also had the belt of strength when he broke the celestial and Exitar did not even notice it.

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"Sorry, the Surfer is faster than the Flash..."

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Agreed. Horrible list.

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#17 Posted by Stupid_People (1264 posts) - - Show Bio

What is this garbage?

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#18 Edited by Dratini1331 (7916 posts) - - Show Bio

That there WW vs Flash Match up.

"Flash can vibrate through Hulk and make him explode"

"Flash forgets he can make people explode, and hammers Diana, who clearly and obviously doesn't have the durability to take them anyways. Also, We aren't using speed steal, because no reason."

I mean seriously? If you're going to use that as an argument for hulk, someone who could likely regenerate from it, why the flying **** would you not use the same line vs WW...

Not saying Flash should be #1 (I don't think Surfer is the strongest hero either to be fair, but w/e), but lower than Diana? And with that logic too? WTH...

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#19 Posted by Sebast_Allen (2728 posts) - - Show Bio

@edude117 said:

"Sorry, the Surfer is faster than the Flash..."

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This pick got me right on the floor laughing

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#20 Posted by Auction_Sniper (1281 posts) - - Show Bio

And TS was never seen again.

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#21 Posted by judgernaut (11 posts) - - Show Bio

@bronze_surfer: yes I would also like to mention that if Thor is truly desperate and is losing he will enter a state called the warriors madness which grants him limitless strength and stamina which means he cannot get tired or weary from anything the silver surfer throws at him. Unfortunately that can only be when he i truly desperate as it is forbidden by Odin.

You are right about the belt of strength is another thing that Thor possesses so it gives Thor the upper hand to any battle. I mean Thor was known to be able to fight off the entire jotunnheim army for 9 months without food, water, nor rest and wasn't even weary in the slightest bit.

Thor also has the anti-force. The anti-force is so strong it is able to match any force that the Surfer can throw at Thor. Hence the reason it is called the anti-force. But it is still incomparable to the god-blast which will ensure a victory for Thor.

I believe the above info is misleading and should be changed as many aspects of both the Silver Surfer and Thor are not covered. I think in a battle between Thor and Silver Surfer would be tight but I think Thor would eventually come out on top with his Thor-Force, anti-force and god-blast.

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#22 Posted by Jhaigo99 (178 posts) - - Show Bio

Mr Majestic should have won and Flash should have been third unless we're counting Kyle Rayner (White Lantern) as he might beat Majestic... But regardless this is a terrible list.

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#23 Edited by Gracetrack (4629 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk should have won. He's the "toughest" of the bunch. (talking about traditional, "savage" green Hulk, of course)

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#25 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (5847 posts) - - Show Bio

this is so wrong it would take us hours to correct this article you COPIED

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#26 Posted by Dratini1331 (7916 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk should have won. He's the "toughest" of the bunch. (talking about traditional, "savage" green Hulk, of course)

depends on how you define "tough" i suppose

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#27 Edited by Gracetrack (4629 posts) - - Show Bio

@omnicrono said:

Hulk should have won. He's the "toughest" of the bunch. (talking about traditional, "savage" green Hulk, of course)

depends on how you define "tough" i suppose

Indeed.

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#29 Posted by Captain_Clown (288 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally is always #1 here on comicvine

But Superman is the true #1... in MY HEART

Screw logic

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#30 Posted by Dratini1331 (7916 posts) - - Show Bio

@omnicrono: I'm still miffed about the inconsistency in the article alone, not including other characters (Really, Mister Majestic and MMH aren't here? There's not even a GL here? seriously -.-), they can't even keep their own darn arguments consistent.

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#31 Posted by Moonman78 (1736 posts) - - Show Bio

if this is a list of toughest meaning most durabile, half the people on the list don't belong here. Only Hulk, superman and surfer can stay, the rest are not in the top 10 no way. I think they actually meant the most powerful note worthy characters to which they come close but still fail. Ive seen that list before long long time ago.

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#32 Edited by Gracetrack (4629 posts) - - Show Bio

@moonman78 said:

if this is a list of toughest meaning most durabile, half the people on the list don't belong here. Only Hulk, superman and surfer can stay, the rest are not in the top 10 no way. I think they actually meant the most powerful note worthy characters to which they come close but still fail. Ive seen that list before long long time ago.

This is pretty much what I was thinking exactly.

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#33 Posted by jodema (921 posts) - - Show Bio

This thread made my day. Gratitude for the laugh.

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#34 Edited by Dratini1331 (7916 posts) - - Show Bio

if this is a list of toughest meaning most durabile, half the people on the list don't belong here. Only Hulk, superman and surfer can stay, the rest are not in the top 10 no way. I think they actually meant the most powerful note worthy characters to which they come close but still fail. Ive seen that list before long long time ago.

Thor has durability to hang with supes...

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#35 Posted by deactivated-579e79a09210d (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

The battle against Mephisto wasn't really accurate. Mephisto was kinda having his way with SS. Until Mephisto made SS into a thought, but found that his will unbreakable which weakened Mephisto to a very sufficient amount. So, that battle isn't very good evidence.

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#36 Posted by judgernaut (11 posts) - - Show Bio

@omnicrono: No he is not. Thor even without Mjolnir can lift much more than Hulk can. I mean come on. Not only is he the Norse god of thunder, he is also the Norse god of strength.

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#37 Posted by judgernaut (11 posts) - - Show Bio

@moonman78: I believe Thor deserves a spot on the tough ten list as he is one of the most invulnerable character there is.

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#38 Posted by Gracetrack (4629 posts) - - Show Bio

@omnicrono: No he is not. Thor even without Mjolnir can lift much more than Hulk can. I mean come on. Not only is he the Norse god of thunder, he is also the Norse god of strength.

While I completely disagree with this statement (because it's utterly false), we're not talking about lifting strength here.

We're talking about "toughness," and "toughness" typically refers to durability, not lifting strength.

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#39 Posted by gokuwarrior (4399 posts) - - Show Bio

@moonman78 said:

if this is a list of toughest meaning most durabile, half the people on the list don't belong here. Only Hulk, superman and surfer can stay, the rest are not in the top 10 no way. I think they actually meant the most powerful note worthy characters to which they come close but still fail. Ive seen that list before long long time ago.

Thor has durability to hang with supes...

so does wonder woman,who has taken a lot of hits from a bloodlusted superman more than once,flash has the speed force that protects him and allows him to take hits from superman level characters too.

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#40 Edited by judgernaut (11 posts) - - Show Bio

@omnicrono: Okay then. If in durability, Thor would still win. Thor has shown capable of withstanding blasts from celestials. Blasts that are capable of disintegrating adamantium, the virtually indestructible metal. A blast that would completely obliterate a being such as the Hulk. With half his strength drained in battle he was able to withstand a full on blow from the axe of Skurge the executioner which has the deadly force of an exploding star. Hulk's skin can easily be punctured by metals like adamantium and vibranium. Thor was able to take on multiple direct blasts from the asgardian destroyer. Hulk wouldn't stand a chance to one of those blasts.

Just keep in mind that the creator has stated that he created Thor to be an overpowered superhero that would surpass all other marvel superheroes in all aspects. It would be hard to create a scenario where Thor is in any believable amount of danger.

And that statement is not utterly false. It is completely true. Although Hulk has no limit to how much strength he has due to his rage, he normally can lift around 100 tons. However to get stronger he needs to build his rage and get angrier. Thor can normally lift 100 tons. And being the norse god of strength, the norse embodiment of strength, Thor does not need to get angry to reach incalculable strength.

Oh and by the way, if you would try to retaliate please don't reference any of the movies that Thor appears in because he was seriously depowered in the movies, as really, who would want to see a 10 minutes film of Thor kicking other people's asses.

Sources: http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_(Thor_Odinson), http://marvel.wikia.com/Robert_Bruce_Banner_(Earth-616)

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#41 Posted by Dratini1331 (7916 posts) - - Show Bio

@judgernaut: The movies aren't even applicable for 616 Thor. Marvel's movies take place in their own separate universe (Earth-199999). Everyone on comicvine knows that...

Also, try not to reference the wikias, they tend to lowball most characters actually.

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#42 Posted by deactivated-5b2e798651249 (7245 posts) - - Show Bio

I read this FOREVER ago. Putting Firestorm in it is just plain absurd.

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#43 Posted by ManInTheMountain (1706 posts) - - Show Bio

@judgernaut: Thor would be SS's toughest fight, but there is no way Thor can win. SS can travel faster than light, faster than Moljnr, and he has full control over the Cosmic Force. SS doesn't need water, air, sleep, or food. He can create black holes and smash Thor with cosmic bolts until Thor is down.

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#44 Posted by bigcimmerian (10340 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer, Thor, Flash.

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#45 Edited by Iragexcudder (9464 posts) - - Show Bio

I smell a flame war

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#46 Edited by Dratini1331 (7916 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

I read this FOREVER ago. Putting Firestorm in it is just plain absurd.

but he's so cool :O

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#47 Posted by kgb725 (18390 posts) - - Show Bio

@judgernaut: Hulk's regeneration is just as goodbif not better than Thor's and it doesn't matter who said what he was created to be Sentry was smacking him around pretty easily. And if Hulk's skin can be pierced so easily then why does Wolvie have a hard time cutting him ?

Zarathos would beat everyone on this list

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#48 Edited by IamGod12 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

@kgb725 the reason why sentry was smacking the hulk around is because the sentry is one of the strongest beings in the whole marvel universe. He has the power of million exploding suns. I think the sentry should be on this list

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#49 Edited by schillenger420 (1633 posts) - - Show Bio

@iamgod12: I agree. They could have easily dropped off Firestorm

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#50 Posted by Pokeysteve (12017 posts) - - Show Bio

......I can see why this magazine was canceled.

The people at Wizard don't even know that Wonder Woman is NOT immortal!!