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#1 Posted by Darkknight819 (134 posts) - - Show Bio

Penguin for me..

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#2 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (3301 posts) - - Show Bio

Least Favorite Major Batman villain or just Least Favorite Batman Villain? Because if its the latter then it'd be some D-lister like Condiment King.

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#3 Posted by lillion1 (149 posts) - - Show Bio

Least favorite A lister, to make things tougher for me. Hmm... Mad Hatter I guess/ Or Scarecrow/ Or Mr Freeze.

Not so tough after all I guess. Main problem is I have not read many good stories with them (actually any at all)

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#4 Posted by wrucebayne (568 posts) - - Show Bio

Hush

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#5 Posted by lillion1 (149 posts) - - Show Bio

@wrucebayne:

I really like Hush,

He kinda makes use of his knowledge of who Batman is in his plans. The villain that connects the two parts. Do not understand why so many people hate him so much

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#6 Posted by jb681131 (3064 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkknight819: Did you read: Penguin: pain & prejudice ?

@lillion1: @wrucebayne: Well it really depends what you've read. Paul Dini's run used him very well in multiple stories.

@lillion1: I therefor recommand you to read:

* Batman: Snow

* Batman, the dark knight: Cycle of violance

* Batman, the dark knight: Mad

As for my choice, I would agree that Mad Hatter is anoying with his Lewis Carol's obsetion.

Ra's Al Ghul never really appealed to me. For me he doesn't fit.

The worst is Harley Quinn since she bacame what she's now (start of New 52 I

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#7 Edited by lillion1 (149 posts) - - Show Bio

@jb681131: Not only Paul Dini did great with him. The new 52 story Batman Eternal did great as well. From a villain that knows the identity of Batman, that is kinda the best laid out plan of destroying him. Wonder why Ra's al Ghul never tried that, or you know, Talia at Batman Inc. Since Bruce kinda created a failsafe of people revealing his identity somewhere in the Batman Inc storyline (or was it The Return?) by spreading rumors and making these kind of revelations seem like trolls, attacking his wealth and weaponry is the most strategic way of taking him out.

Still gonna read Batman Snow, Pain and Prejudice and your suggestions on Batman the Dark Knight stories.

Currently re reading some stories from my guide to see if something has to be fixed or not. Also trying to find Batman annual #14 on comixology to see if I can replace that with The Long Halloween, since at the end of that story Falconi dies, while in new 52 continuity he should be alive cause of Batman Eternal. And looking for a Dick Grayson origin story that is not connected to Dark Victory in case Batman annual 14 fits better in my guide.

I agree with you on the Harley Quin stories in her series. But do like her a lot in Suicide Squad. Probably cause I like villain focused stories.

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#8 Posted by wrucebayne (568 posts) - - Show Bio

Not even Paul Dini can save Hush from being a mess of a character.

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#9 Posted by jb681131 (3064 posts) - - Show Bio

@wrucebayne: How is he more a mess than Mad Hatter or The court of Owls or Azrael ?? They all come out of nowhere with odd pasts.

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#10 Edited by Mutant God (3957 posts) - - Show Bio

Right now Harley, just because they are making her out to be a hero, ugghh. But out of all time I have to say Killer Moth, I don't see anything good between him and Batman.

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#11 Edited by OrangeBat (960 posts) - - Show Bio

Harley Quinn.

Hush.

Harley Quinn.

Calendar Man.

Harley Quinn.

Cluemaster.

Harley Quinn.

Great White Shark.

Harley Quinn.

David Cain.

Harley Quinn.

The Ventriloquist.

Did I mention Harley Quinn?

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#12 Posted by harleyhot (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Harley Quinn, of course !

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#13 Posted by entropy_aegis (20771 posts) - - Show Bio

Harley Quinn

Hush

Lincoln March

Mr Freeze

Great White Shark

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#14 Posted by TDK_1997 (18631 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Harley Quinn
  • Lincoln March
  • Scarface (at times)
  • Maxie Zeus
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#15 Posted by entropy_aegis (20771 posts) - - Show Bio

@lillion1 said:

@wrucebayne:

I really like Hush,

He kinda makes use of his knowledge of who Batman is in his plans. The villain that connects the two parts. Do not understand why so many people hate him so much

That's the problem,without knowledge of Batman's identity he's suck 100%,as it is he sucks 90%. If Hush was the only villain with knowledge of Bruce's secret he may have gotten a pass but there's a whole line standing right around the block.

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#16 Edited by thatguywithheadphones (19859 posts) - - Show Bio

Victor Zsasz only worked as a one off villain . Any more use of him is just stupid.

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#17 Posted by silent_bomber (4930 posts) - - Show Bio

Hush

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#18 Posted by lillion1 (149 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: Thing is, Ra's doesn't make use of it, the Joker doesn't acknowledge the Bruce Wayne persona, Riddler doesn't do anything with it, Bane wants to beat Batman not Bruce etc. Hush is the only villain that attacks Batman by attacking Bruce Wayne. What other villain you know that tried to destroy the weapon caches, or attacked Bruce psychologically by reminding him of his failures while raising Jason Todd?

I agree that Batman Hush did have some problems, but Hush the character does do something no other villain does. It is what makes him a great villain in my opinion.

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#19 Posted by wrucebayne (568 posts) - - Show Bio

@jb681131 said:

@wrucebayne: How is he more a mess than Mad Hatter or The court of Owls or Azrael ?? They all come out of nowhere with odd pasts.

Every newly introduced villain comes out of nowhere. It's called building a broader universe.

odd =/= mess

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#20 Edited by deactivated-5a60370ee1024 (192 posts) - - Show Bio

It seems like Penguin and Riddler always get the short end of the stick when they’ve had some pretty good stories, especially Penguin, I think anyone needs to check out Penguin Triumphant or how Alan Grant used him. Penguin is up there with with the likes of the Joker or Two-Face for me.

I’d have to say Hush because he started off as a bad character. If even the likes of Dini can’t do anything with him, there’s a major problem.

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#21 Edited by wrucebayne (568 posts) - - Show Bio

@b4tm4nish3r3: I'd say Penguin really took off as a character due to his role in No Man's Land, but Grant did use him very well. Can't go wrong with the Grant/Breyfogle combo.

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#22 Posted by OrangeBat (960 posts) - - Show Bio

@lillion1: Uh, Hugo Strange ring any bells?

He does all of what you mentioned and more, plus he doesn't have a stupid motivation for doing it.

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#23 Edited by entropy_aegis (20771 posts) - - Show Bio

@lillion1: That makes each and everyone of them unique to an extent, besides Hush's discovery of the identity itself was stupid. Riddler goes to him for a cure for cancer but Hush doesn't have any, then Riddler find a lazarus pit, baths in it and realizes Bruce is Batman then he goes and tells his doctor about it LMAO.

I would love to have whatever Loeb smokes.

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#24 Posted by HighAccuser (9696 posts) - - Show Bio

Killer Croc

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#25 Posted by jumpstart55 (11025 posts) - - Show Bio

Calendar Man is dull bread..Straight up.

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#26 Posted by DrArcania (393 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Claw

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#27 Posted by Knight101 (420 posts) - - Show Bio

Gotta go with Penguin on this one. It's beyond ridiculous that villain has gained as much popularity as he has.

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#28 Posted by BibbyBoxx2219 (95 posts) - - Show Bio

@lillion1: That makes each and everyone of them unique to an extent, besides Hush's discovery of the identity itself was stupid. Riddler goes to him for a cure for cancer but Hush doesn't have any, then Riddler find a lazarus pit, baths in it and realizes Bruce is Batman then he goes and tells his doctor about it LMAO.

I would love to have whatever Loeb smokes.

After reading and loving Hush I just realized how silly that sounds.

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#29 Posted by BibbyBoxx2219 (95 posts) - - Show Bio
What a scrub
What a scrub

Crazy Quilt.

He sucks
He sucks

Or that Flamingo guy from Grant Morrison's Batman and Robin series.

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#30 Posted by lillion1 (149 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: Again, I admit the Hush storyline did have some problems, but the 3 stories about him written by Paul Dini were great, as was his story in Batman Eternal. He is the only villain I know that attacked Bruce in that way, even Talia did not do it for some reason. And that is his thing, other villains that attack Batman want to finish Batman off, just look at Ra's al Ghul, or Bane. Hush wants to destroy both personas of Bruce at the same time, and he is making use of his knowledge to do so.

Someone mentioned Hugo Strange, he is not intrested in destroying Batman, he wants to analyze him, replace him in some storylines and overall I find him to be less intresting that Hush.

Motivations of Hush are illogical? Read Heart of Hush, one of the best motivations for hating Bruce I can think off. At least his grudge makes sense.

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#31 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (3301 posts) - - Show Bio

@lillion1 said:

@entropy_aegis: Again, I admit the Hush storyline did have some problems, but the 3 stories about him written by Paul Dini were great, as was his story in Batman Eternal. He is the only villain I know that attacked Bruce in that way, even Talia did not do it for some reason. And that is his thing, other villains that attack Batman want to finish Batman off, just look at Ra's al Ghul, or Bane. Hush wants to destroy both personas of Bruce at the same time, and he is making use of his knowledge to do so.

Someone mentioned Hugo Strange, he is not intrested in destroying Batman, he wants to analyze him, replace him in some storylines and overall I find him to be less intresting that Hush.

Motivations of Hush are illogical? Read Heart of Hush, one of the best motivations for hating Bruce I can think off. At least his grudge makes sense.

Hugo Strange is ten times more interesting than Hush. He figured out more and more about Batman through analyzing him and his methods, whereas Hush completely relied on Riddler telling him who Batman was. His relationship and feelings towards Batman are also more complex than that. For one, he does want to destroy Batman. However, he is also fascinated by him and his motivations. He himself is interested in attaining the same dark power that Batman has, which drives him to emulate and desire to be him in certain ways. He then hates Batman as well, because he is unable to be him. For all his intelligence he also has a very warped view of Batman and what exactly it means to be Batman, which is seen in Batman Prey, where during his analysis of the Dark Knight he manages to get some facts right, but greatly misinterprets various things about him and his reasons for being Batman. Yet he also interprets Batman in a way that makes sense from the perspective of a person who doesn't have an in-depth knowledge of him. I'd take a Strange story over a Hush one any day. Also, Strange directly attacked both Batman and Bruce Wayne, years before Hush was created, so that's not something unique to Hush at all. He also attacked him psychologically, not through Jason Todd (Since this was before Todd had even entered Batman's life), but through his parents.

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#32 Posted by Jeremy1989 (1816 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker

Harley Quinn

Catwoman

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#33 Posted by lillion1 (149 posts) - - Show Bio

@nathaniel_christopher: So you wrote an entire threat, explaining stuff about Hugo Strange that had nothing to do with my topic. I never said Strange was a bad villain, I said he and Hush are completely different, which is something you did not disprove with your comment. They both attempt to do something different.

And your problem about Hush is the way he found out the identity of Batman? I do understand why Batman Hush was not a great story because of some gaping plotholes, but that does not change the fact that in every other story Hush had quite an unique way of fighting Batman, both psychologically, economically and strategically.

Not counting what Paul Dini did with him (which was great) but look at Batman Eternal. Destroying Batman by destroying his weapon caches, bankrupting Bruce and turning the city against him. In what way is this bad? And in what way is this comparable to Hugo Strange? They are completely different villains, with different methodologies and motivations. And his motivations have been explained really well, Heart of Hush did it in such a way that Hush changed from the soulless character from Batman Hush into one of the best villains Batman has.

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#34 Edited by Nathaniel_Christopher (3301 posts) - - Show Bio

@lillion1 said:

@nathaniel_christopher: So you wrote an entire threat, explaining stuff about Hugo Strange that had nothing to do with my topic. I never said Strange was a bad villain, I said he and Hush are completely different, which is something you did not disprove with your comment. They both attempt to do something different.

And your problem about Hush is the way he found out the identity of Batman? I do understand why Batman Hush was not a great story because of some gaping plotholes, but that does not change the fact that in every other story Hush had quite an unique way of fighting Batman, both psychologically, economically and strategically.

Not counting what Paul Dini did with him (which was great) but look at Batman Eternal. Destroying Batman by destroying his weapon caches, bankrupting Bruce and turning the city against him. In what way is this bad? And in what way is this comparable to Hugo Strange? They are completely different villains, with different methodologies and motivations. And his motivations have been explained really well, Heart of Hush did it in such a way that Hush changed from the soulless character from Batman Hush into one of the best villains Batman has.

You mentioned you find him to be less interesting than Hush, I was listing the reasons I find Strange to be more interesting than Hush, along with correcting you on a few points you were incorrect about regarding Strange and his motives, such as the idea that he doesn't want to destroy Batman. So yeah, my post did relate to what you said, specifically regarding the character of Hugo Strange.

That's one of the problems I have with Hush that I listed. Not sure why you'd assume it's the only problem I have with the character.

In fact, you're arguing for different things that I never disagreed with anyways lol. For example, I never made any comment regarding Hush's motives. I also didn't say he attacked Batman in the same way that Strange did. You mentioned that Hush was the only villain you knew who attacked and wanted to destroy both Batman and Bruce Wayne and I corrected you on that in regards to Hugo Strange. You asked earlier about what other villains attacked Batman in a psychological manner as well, mentioning Hush's use of Jason Todd, and I simply pointed out Strange as one such villain, utilizing the Waynes.

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#35 Posted by BruceRogers (17173 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know if she counts as a 'villain' anymore, but I have no love for Catwoman.

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#37 Edited by lxlGiftedlxl (2443 posts) - - Show Bio

Hard to say. Imo they all have their ups and downs with writers but if I absolutely had to choose I would say Hush.

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#38 Edited by MakkyD (6989 posts) - - Show Bio

I find positives with all the major villains, even Killer Moth.

However, I haven't read much with Hush but from what I've seen of him he seems like Hugo Strange with a more generic motivation.

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#39 Edited by lillion1 (149 posts) - - Show Bio

@nathaniel_christopher: I apologize then. Lets agree to this agree on Hush. I find him to be one of the more interesting ones, while he sucks in your opinion. Taste differs. I also have to admit I haven't read many Hugo Strange stories (Strange Aparitions and Prey are the only ones)

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#40 Edited by easywolf32 (197 posts) - - Show Bio

Penguin, Riddler, Old Jokers..latest was improved. Hope these 3 don't show up in movies anymore, especially first 2. 2 face also. Boring mere mortals.

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#41 Edited by DrArcania (393 posts) - - Show Bio

I was say Red Claw. When i watch it again a little, i change my opinion about her !!! Can say that she is now one of my top 3 most favorite Batman villains :)

Least favorite place going to... let be Hush. I still can catch sense why he hate Bruce ??? Bruce parents die, he want it for self parents... start hating Bruce !? WTF ???

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#42 Posted by Jack-B-Nimble (13 posts) - - Show Bio

Riddler

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#45 Posted by jb681131 (3064 posts) - - Show Bio
@easywolf said:

Penguin, Riddler, Old Jokers..latest was improved. Hope these 3 don't show up in movies anymore, especially first 2. 2 face also. Boring mere mortals.

@easywolf said:

Penguin, Riddler, Old Jokers..latest was improved. Hope these 3 don't show up in movies anymore, especially first 2. 2 face also. Boring mere mortals.

I wouldn't like to see any more movies with them, but they are far from the worst Batman vilains ?? 3 of my top 10 Batman story hold on of them:

  • Dark knight, dark city
  • Joker by Azzarello
  • Penguin: Pain and Prejudice
  • Batman: Face the face
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#46 Edited by LilTWill2000 (180 posts) - - Show Bio

Mad Hatter...

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#47 Posted by The_Kidd (11771 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Hush
  • The Court of Owls
  • Bane
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#49 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (3301 posts) - - Show Bio

@jb681131 said:
@easywolf said:

Penguin, Riddler, Old Jokers..latest was improved. Hope these 3 don't show up in movies anymore, especially first 2. 2 face also. Boring mere mortals.

@easywolf said:

Penguin, Riddler, Old Jokers..latest was improved. Hope these 3 don't show up in movies anymore, especially first 2. 2 face also. Boring mere mortals.

I wouldn't like to see any more movies with them, but they are far from the worst Batman vilains ?? 3 of my top 10 Batman story hold on of them:

  • Dark knight, dark city
  • Joker by Azzarello
  • Penguin: Pain and Prejudice
  • Batman: Face the face

Face the Face is one of your top 10 Batman stories?

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#50 Posted by Eto (5223 posts) - - Show Bio