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#1 Edited by Deathstroke52 (7006 posts) - - Show Bio

You can put anything related to Batman/The Bat-Family/His Villains

Some of mine:

  • Penguin and Riddler are both poor villains (most of the time)
  • Jason Todd is a very boring character when portrayed as a good guy
  • Batman's love life isn't interesting
  • Carrie Kelly was/is a useless character
  • Deadshot should be used in more Batman stories
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#2 Posted by Rpgesus (5380 posts) - - Show Bio

He sucks

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#4 Posted by william300 (783 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't like how so many people think that Dark Knight Returns Batman is be all end all Batman. I've never really cared for super extreme crazy Batman. He's all right for one standalone story, but he's a badly limited character there's not much you can do with him after you've done the "coming out of retirement" story. He had extreme views are certain things, and it always bothered me how he hated other heroes.

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#5 Edited by deactivated-57dd84d2af8d3 (615 posts) - - Show Bio

-Jason Todd should've stayed dead.

-Barbara is far more interesting as Oracle than she is as Batgirl.

-Dick as Batman and Damian as Robin was the greatest. Both Dick and Bruce should still be operating as Batman.

-Like what @william300: said, TDKR isn't the be all end all for Batman. That version of Batman works very well within the universe Miller created, but he doesn't fit within the mainstream continuity.

-The trunks/undies need to come back. It helps separate the gray in his suit. Batman wears long johns now.

-Batman should never have dumb, "I wanna fight Darkseid too" suits. He's not the brawn of the JLA, he's the brains.

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#6 Posted by Deathstroke52 (7006 posts) - - Show Bio

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#7 Posted by RDClip (2792 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Batman should be 45 right now for his timeline to make any sense
  • He should die pointlessly after taking a stray bullet from some random thug
  • Damien is the best Robin
  • The Joker can be a boring character
  • Scott Snyder isn't the greatest Batman writer (not even in my top 5)
  • Gail Simone's Batgirl run sucked
  • Dick Greyson as a spy is stupid and he should go back to being Nightwing
  • Jim Gordon as Batman is stupid and makes no sense
  • The only thing Jason Todd ever did of note was die horribly
  • Tim Drake's complete reverence of Batman is annoying
  • TDKR Batman is a crazy facist
  • 1989 Batman is the greatest Batman movie
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#8 Edited by Deathstroke52 (7006 posts) - - Show Bio

@rdclip: I like your second opinion

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#9 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (18984 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is the real face is a bovine feces.

Bruce and Bruce Wayne are as real as Batman.

Batman is insane is just bovine feces that people say to sound cool.

Madd Mikkelsen the guy from Hannibal should be Batman.

Jason Todd is better that Damian Wayne, who is an overrated copy that people loves because he is edgy in the edgy age, so that makes him lame.

Cassandra Cain is BatGirl.

Female Robins are a dumb concepts.

Frank Miller was never as good as Dennis ONeill.

The Riddler is a great character that writers just simply dont understand.

The Joker should be used less and only in a huge arc that will change things forever.

TDKR was a better concepts that execution, there is people that could do better.

Arkham Games writing isnt remotly as amazing as the fans want it to be.

Robin shouldnt exist, Dick, Jason and Tim should, no children sidekicks.

Damian Wayne shouldnt exist outside Elseworlds.

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#10 Edited by ScouterV (7764 posts) - - Show Bio

Terry is the best Batman.

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#11 Posted by PayneInTheAss (11151 posts) - - Show Bio

Damian Wayne looks stupid

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#12 Edited by Aahz (1266 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Bruce shouldn't be brooding loner
  • most modern story arcs are to long, and there are too many mega events at the moment
  • Damian doesn't fit into most Batman comics
  • Batman is better without all the hightech equipment
  • Batfamily members shouldn't be in superhero teams like Justice League and Titans
  • Grant Morrison should only write elseworld stories
  • you can't reimagine every classic campy Batman villains, as dangerous master criminals that is a thread for the modern Batman
  • they shouldn't bring Cassandra Cain back, she doesn't really work as Batfamily member
  • Jason and Tim should be around the same age
  • writing Jason like he was nearly Dicks age makes no sense
  • "Grayson" is extremely overrated
  • Jason (just based on background an personality) was far more interesting concept for a Robin than Tim and Dick, it was just poorly executed
  • the ages of the Batfamliy members doesn't fit the way they are written
  • Dick becoming Robin at the age of 8 makes no sense
  • "A Death in the Family" and "A Lonley Place for Dying" are at best mediocre stories
  • The mystic stuff from RHatO was a cool idea
  • They should have made a real reboot of the Batman franchise with the new 52
  • Batman Beyond shouldn't be part of the main continuity
  • Harley Quinn doesn't fit into the comics
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#14 Posted by Dernman (25897 posts) - - Show Bio

@aahz:

  • Bruce shouldn't be brooding loner

oh I don't like this one

  • most modern story arcs are to long, and there are too many mega events at the moment

Disagree with the first part but agree with the second.

  • Damian doesn't fit into most Batman comics

I don't see why you're saying that.

  • Batman is better without all the hightech equipment

Depends on what you mean by hightech equipment.

  • Batfamily members shouldn't be in superhero teams like Justice League and Titans

I can see why you say that.

  • Grant Morrison should only write elseworld stories

THANK YOU!!!!!

  • you can't reimagine every classic campy Batman villains, as dangerous master criminals that is a thread for the modern Batman

I don't know about that. I'd love to try.

  • they shouldn't bring Cassandra Cain back, she doesn't really work as Batfamily member

I can see that but I don't think you'd have to go so far as push her entirely out of the universe. I have some ideas.

  • Jason and Tim should be around the same age

I do agree they should play around with the Robins ages but I haven't settled on what.

  • "Grayson" is extremely overrated

very extremely

  • Dick becoming Robin at the age of 8 makes no sense

No it doesn't. Neither does Damian. I don't care if he's had LoA training.

  • The mystic stuff from RHatO was a cool idea

I disagree. It put me off Red Hood. It's not right for him

  • They should have made a real reboot of the Batman franchise with the new 52

They should have done both more and less of what they did. I have ideas.

@payneintheass:

Damian Wayne looks stupid

He has the best costume out of all of the Robins.

@scouterv:

Terry is the best Batman.

I disagree. Honestly though I would take much from the show to mainstream I would only like him as elseworlds.

@deathpoolthet1000:

Robin shouldnt exist, Dick, Jason and Tim should, no children sidekicks.

I agree.

Damian Wayne shouldnt exist outside Elseworlds.

As much as I loooooove the little guy I kind of agree. Also if not Elseworlds grow up having never met his father.

@rdclip:

  • Batman should be 45 right now for his timeline to make any sense

Maybe maybe not but I don't want him to be. I rather they found another way to fix the problems

  • He should die pointlessly after taking a stray bullet from some random thug

I rather him die old and broken having alienated everyone from him. Kinda like Batman Beyond but without Terry

  • Scott Snyder isn't the greatest Batman writer (not even in my top 5)

As time goes on I don't like him more and more.

  • Gail Simone's Batgirl run sucked

I sure did. I don't think that's unpopular. What would be unpopular is if you say it's her fault. Her fans would deny it and say it was editorial. I'm not a fan.

  • Dick Greyson as a spy is stupid and he should go back to being Nightwing

Is that unpopular I'm not keeping track. Anyway I wholeheartedly agree.

  • Jim Gordon as Batman is stupid and makes no sense

We're on a role with agreements. If I didn't hear the book was selling well I would question it's unpopularness.

  • The only thing Jason Todd ever did of note was die horribly

Bingo well that movie of his return was good but nothing else. Should have been elseworlds and remained dead in mainstream

  • Tim Drake's complete reverence of Batman is annoying

I didn't notice it's annoyance until now. Thanks alot. :/

  • 1989 Batman is the greatest Batman movie

Dammit we were so close. I really disagree.

@playswithsquirrels:

-Jason Todd should've stayed dead.

The first story he was in was good but that was it. So I agree.

-Barbara is far more interesting as Oracle than she is as Batgirl.

Not sure if that's unpopular but i agree.

-Dick as Batman and Damian as Robin was the greatest. Both Dick and Bruce should still be operating as Batman.

I disagree. I didn't think he made a good Batman and didn't like he wasn't his own man which is Nightwing.

-The trunks/undies need to come back. It helps separate the gray in his suit. Batman wears long johns now.

Disagree.

-Batman should never have dumb, "I wanna fight Darkseid too" suits. He's not the brawn of the JLA, he's the brains.

By brains you mean strategy and detective work then yes.

@william300:

The only thing I liked about that book is the affect it had on mainstream batman of making him darker.

@deathstroke52:

  • Jason Todd is a very boring character when portrayed as a good guy

This is my opinion as well.

  • Carrie Kelly was/is a useless character

She should be left where she was birthed.

  • Deadshot should be used in more Batman stories

That could be good. People have mostly forgotten he's a Batman rogue.

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#15 Posted by NthMetalWarrior (375 posts) - - Show Bio

-ZatBat is OTP

-Catwoman and Bats is the most doomed relationship ever, there will be no resolution as long as she remains on the wrong side of the law

-Jason Todd must remain an anti hero

-Barbara is more likeable as Oracle

-Joker should not overshadow everyone else

-Damian is completely unnecessary

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#16 Posted by ARMIV2 (10074 posts) - - Show Bio

He's beatable.

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#17 Edited by Dernman (25897 posts) - - Show Bio

@firebendingwang: Court of Owls is not a great Batman story, if anything, it kinda let me down

Good concept bad story.

- Terry McGinnis is the best and should be the only Batman Successor

Disagree. Though I like him I would keep him in elseworlds. I would be willing to take much of the universe though. Honestly I'm decided I want them to skip immediate successors. My opinion is Bruce should end up broken and alone like in the beginning of Batman beyond. Then years after he's dead someone new becomes Batman.

- Harley Quinn is currently being written like a poorly written Deadpool

Kinda. I miss the old obsessed with Joker Harley.

- Dick Grayson shouldn't of faked his death, it kinda felt like the writers mistook him for jason

Agreed

- Jason Todd shouldn't be an Anti - Hero, he needs to come back as a villian

I don't mind Anti-Heo Villan but he comes off as Anti-Hero hero which I don't like if that makes sense. I mean he comes off as more hero like that the Punisher now.

- Joker is very overused nowadays

yes

- Jason Todd is very overused nowadays

yes

- They should make Terry one of Bruce's Robins

no

- Mr. Freeze is an amazing character, just written poorly in comics

ok

- Why is Jim Gordon Batman? What were the writers thinking?

They are just throwing shit at the wall hoping it sticks. It seems like Marvel and DC's moto is be different just to be different.

- Harley and Ivy shouldn't of gotten together, it kinda feels forced to me.

I feel that way also but that is a HUGELY unpopular opinion..

- Stop Killing Robins

Stop bringing them back.

- The Batfamily is quiet a stupid concept to me

I mostly agree with that

- Tim shouldn't of become Red Robin, nor should of he started the Teen Titans

I both agree and disagree. I'm conflicted.

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#18 Posted by Dernman (25897 posts) - - Show Bio

@nthmetalwarrior:

-ZatBat is OTP

I don't know what you're saying

-Catwoman and Bats is the most doomed relationship ever, there will be no resolution as long as she remains on the wrong side of the law

Oh I think there can be resolution. It just doesn't mean it has to be good. The fact that it's doomed could actually be interesting. You can also have the happy ending where they end up together when she retires do to age but I don't want the happy ending.

Jason Todd must remain an anti hero

depends on what type. I don't like how he is now.

-Barbara is more likeable as Oracle

I wouldn't say more likable but certainly more compelling.

-Joker should not overshadow everyone else

Disagree but with clarification I'd consider changing my mind.

-Damian is completely unnecessary

Agreed. Though I love reading the character he doesn't exist in my version of Batman Universe. At least not as he is now.

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#19 Edited by FuzzyLittleRodent (2087 posts) - - Show Bio

-Most of Batman's mental issues are self-inflicted

-He's not really relatable.

-Dick Grayson is a better character

-Joker as a character is not as great as people make him out to be. Him being all "crazy and unpredictable" ironically makes most of his stories "predictable". He's still the same ol' crazy clown he was 50 years ago.

-We needs moar Terry McGinnis in our lives

-I hate TDKR

-I don't like Cappullo's art. The way he draws the faces makes me really uncomfortable for some reason

-OJ didn't do it

-Court of Owls is the only good New 52 Batman story

-Michael Keton is still my favorite Batman actor

-Batman:TAS has the best portrayal of Batman

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#22 Posted by ScouterV (7764 posts) - - Show Bio

@scouterv said:

@firebendingwang: Curious why you think Terry should be a Robin?

I feel like Terry should of went through a couple of years of Robin before he put the cowl on because I think its more in Bruce's personality to make sure his successor is just as good as he was when he started being Batman.

I would imagine the same training done to be Robin is universal, and can be applied to being Batman though. Granted, Terry's situation is a lot different from that of a Robin. He wasn't chosen by Bruce, he stole the suit. And he's still trained pretty well. Nothing like learning on the job, as they say.

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@dernman said:

@aahz:

Bruce shouldn't be brooding loner

oh I don't like this one

I prefer the bronze age version, where had some kind of social life and was not sitting in his cave all day.

@dernman said:

@aahz:

most modern story arcs are to long, and there are too many mega events at the moment

Disagree with the first part but agree with the second.

There were plenty of good old story with a lenght between 1 and 4 issues, today most stories are longer than 4 issues.

@dernman said:

@aahz:

Batman is better without all the hightech equipment

Depends on what you mean by hightech equipment.

Insider suit, Justice Buster and and all the sensors he has now in his suit

@dernman said:

@aahz:

they shouldn't bring Cassandra Cain back, she doesn't really work as Batfamily member

I can see that but I don't think you'd have to go so far as push her entirely out of the universe. I have some ideas.

I fnd the constant demonstration how superior her skill are just annoying and disrespectful to the other characters, and this she is no metanhuman but has basically metahuman abilitys just dumb, and she didn't add much to the team dynamic. If you want a asian martial arts girl in the story there are cooler options (Katana, Shado, ... ).

@firebendingwang said:

- Jason Todd shouldn't be an Anti - Hero, he needs to come back as a villian

Somebody with his competence, an obsession with Batman and the knowledge of Batmans secret identity doesn't really work as a recurring villain. Bane, Hush and Deathstroke had the same problem. You can either dumb such a villain down (but than he looses what made him cool in the first place), you have to come up with a reason why the villain doesn't use his knowledge against Batman (like in Ras al Ghuls case) or the whole thing will escalate similar to what happened in the new 52 with the Joker (and I honestly don't think that can use the Joker in the near future).

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#26 Posted by arkhamace (206 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know why but i don't enjoy the stories anymore were bruce has a suit for everything. I like him more grounded like in batman eternal. He had a suit in batman incorporated and kicked the hell out of the heretic. It was cool but bruce is better for me with his wits and don't the suit. With his suit he is like a wannabe superman. I don't like that. If i want to read superman i buy a superman comic but don't a batman comic who has detective skills. Maybe that will change in the next weeks.

The next fact is that as much as i enjoyed snyders run i don't like the fight with the justice league in endgame and don't like how joker killed bruce. I am a batman fan and i like bruce but he can't win against diana. It was really convenient to have this things in his pockets, the computers for flash and the superglue for aquaman. I would like more if he would retreat and regroup with lex luthor or other guys but he would be dead i assume because jokerized justice league. How could joker jokerize them all? superman has super hearing so i think he must have sneaked upon a sleeping flash and take superman with all of them together... i don't like such story's because batman is a detective for me and an anti hero with moral code but no super hero. For that there is superman. I don't like as a batman fan to make bruce the best human and strongest guy with suits on the planet. That's more crazy than superheroes.

Then ooookay bruce needs a good endfight with the clown but he is a super martial artist. Joker just can't stab him in the dark. He just can't. It was forced and the broken heart with blood on the ground very creepy lol

Then i don't like the "he fights crime because he wants vengeance" and that he can't forget the day his parents died. He should be over it and i honestly think batman must change in all of this to make the next step in the right direction.

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#27 Edited by OrangeBat (960 posts) - - Show Bio

- The Bat-Family concept is completely retarded. And don't give me that "but Robin was there at the start!" horseshit. Robin was there at the start, the family wasn't. As a concept, it didn't exist until the 90's.

- Harley Quinn completely sucks now. She sucked before too, but the Joker obsession sorta gave her some personality. Now she's basically a wannabe Deadpool, except nowhere as interesting or cool.

- Catwoman. Bisexual. Why? More importantly, which idiot thought it was a good idea to approve this?

- Batman has way too many special suits and gadgets now. I miss the days when he could hang with the top tiers and fight crime without needing any super armors. He's not freakin' Iron Man. His body is his greatest weapon.

- The only true heir to the Batman mantle is Dick Grayson. Not Damian. Not Tim. Grayson.

- Ra's al Ghul is severely overrated. As are Joker, Riddler and Bane.

- Mr. Freeze actually works better without Nora's existence. In fact, I wouldn't mind him going back to his "ordinary criminal with super weaponry" origin. It works well enough for 95% of Marvel supervillains, it should work fine for him.

- Why does DC keep pushing Professor Pyg so much? His shtick is ripped off the Mad Hatter with the mind-controlled slaves, and his brand of crazy smacks of trying too hard to be edgy.

- Pairing Harley and Ivy should have stayed in fanfiction land, where Ivy's character is already ruined enough to not be wrecked further by association with Harley.

- The Arkham games all have absolutely terrible writing and missed opportunities, with Asylum as the least offender, and City as the biggest offender in that department.

- Cassandra Cain does not fit in the Batman universe. Stephanie Brown is pointless now that Barbara is back to being the cheerful Batgirl. The only significant thing Tim Drake can do now is die to further Batman's angst. Or else just retire altogether.

- Damian Wayne should have never been created.

- Dick Grayson and Jason Todd are the only only two Robins worth a damn. In my ideal continuation of Batman's legacy, Jason goes full crazy psycho and evil, and becomes the arch-enemy of Dick Grayson when he takes over as Batman.

- Harold needs to come back. Come to think of it, I don't think that's really an unpopular opinion.

- DC needs to stop teasing Batman/Poison Ivy and make it happen already.

- Batman has outgrown many of his classic villains by now, especially Joker. If DC wants to move him forward, they need to start working on some obscure ones, or create new ones.

- I wouldn't mind Batman having more super-powered/gadget-powered villains created for him to throw down with. Something more along the lines of Clayface, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, Mr. Freeze, and so on.

- Gotham's gothic look needs to die already. It's not cool anymore, it's just plain boring. If you wanna differentiate Gotham, make it a futuristic dystopia, or something. Anything but that godawful gothic design.

- Black Mask has been a terrible villain since his inception. If you don't believe me, read his origin story, and how pathetic he is all throughout. He was never meant to be A-List material.

- White Rabbit needs to be fleshed out more. Yes, she has a knock-off Emma Frost outfit. But damn it, she was interesting!

- The Batman was a more entertaining cartoon in many respects than Batman: The Animated Series. Especially with their take on Batman as more humane and friendly rather than cold and rude.

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#28 Posted by Dernman (25897 posts) - - Show Bio

@aahz:

I prefer the bronze age version, where had some kind of social life and was not sitting in his cave all day.

For my the social life is only to keep up the false image of a playboy. I don't like how they've made him too much into a philanthropist and city leader.I don't mind him doing philanthropy work but I rather it be done on the down low like it's not coming from him.

There were plenty of good old story with a lenght between 1 and 4 issues, today most stories are longer than 4 issues.

I don't doubt there are. I just don't think what we have now is too long. I think both are good.

Insider suit, Justice Buster and and all the sensors he has now in his suit

The insider suit and Justice Buster are really bad in my opinion. Concerning the sensors I don't mind some. It can be too much but something like night vision lenses are not bad..

I fnd the constant demonstration how superior her skill are just annoying and disrespectful to the other characters, and this she is no metanhuman but has basically metahuman abilitys just dumb,

I actually agree with you on this portion.

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#29 Posted by Aahz (1266 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:

@aahz:


Insider suit, Justice Buster and and all the sensors he has now in his suit

Concerning the sensors I don't mind some. It can be too much but something like night vision lenses are not bad..

I'm ok with night vision and a computer link, but stuff like a lie detector, or chemical analysis is much. And I don't think that the Batmobil should be able to fly.

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#30 Posted by Dernman (25897 posts) - - Show Bio

@orangebat:

- The Bat-Family concept is completely retarded. And don't give me that "but Robin was there at the start!" horseshit. Robin was there at the start, the family wasn't. As a concept, it didn't exist until the 90's.

Fist bump.

Harley Quinn completely sucks now. She sucked before too, but the Joker obsession sorta gave her some personality. Now she's basically a wannabe Deadpool, except nowhere as interesting or cool.

I don't like what they're doing now but I loved her when she was Joker obsessed..

- Catwoman. Bisexual. Why? More importantly, which idiot thought it was a good idea to approve this?

Fist bump.

- Batman has way too many special suits and gadgets now. I miss the days when he could hang with the top tiers and fight crime without needing any super armors. He's not freakin' Iron Man. His body is his greatest weapon.

Bumpin your fist.

- The only true heir to the Batman mantle is Dick Grayson. Not Damian. Not Tim. Grayson.

For me Dick would reject the Batman role choosing to be his own thing and do it his way. Having said that i don't think the others are right either.

- Ra's al Ghul is severely overrated. As are Joker, Riddler and Bane.

Only because of failed to meet the challenge of the image that want us to believe.

- Mr. Freeze actually works better without Nora's existence. In fact, I wouldn't mind him going back to his "ordinary criminal with super weaponry" origin. It works well enough for 95% of Marvel supervillains, it should work fine for him.

Disagree. What they did in TAS was wonderful.

- Pairing Harley and Ivy should have stayed in fanfiction land, where Ivy's character is already ruined enough to not be wrecked further by association with Harley.

I would fist bump you in agreement if I didn't catch that poor opinion of Harley as a character at the end.

- Cassandra Cain does not fit in the Batman universe.

They certainly failed to make her a place for sure. I have ideas for her but it would be more about Nightwing and set in the future.

Stephanie Brown is pointless now that Barbara is back to being the cheerful Batgirl.

There is truth to this. For me there shouldn't be a Batgirl and Steph would work for Oracle as Spoiler.

The only significant thing Tim Drake can do now is die to further Batman's angst. Or else just retire altogether.

If DC didn't screw up the Teen Titans so much I would disagree with you. Still though I wouldn't want to copy Jason Todd's thing.

- Damian Wayne should have never been created.

I looove the little guy. Still though I agree to some extent. At least have Talia raise him in secret and only meet in the future when Batman is older and Damian is an adult. Damian would never have been Robin and would heavily be Ra's al Ghul league of Assassins influenced. No interest in Gotham.

- Dick Grayson and Jason Todd are the only only two Robins worth a damn. In my ideal continuation of Batman's legacy, Jason goes full crazy psycho and evil, and becomes the arch-enemy of Dick Grayson when he takes over as Batman.

Never liked Jason Todd as Robin. In my universe he stays dead (it's an important thing). Someone else becomes Red Hood and rival of Dick after having harassed Batman with the memory of Todd who Batman originally thought was Todd. Tim Drake would be the only Robin to be officially active. He wouldn't have a relationship with Batman. Instead he figured out who Dick is was and confronted him not Batman. Dick sends him off to trainers using all the connections he's made in the second generation hero community and Tim works as Robin on the TT team where all young heroes are learning the ropes.

- Harold needs to come back. Come to think of it, I don't think that's really an unpopular opinion.

I think it's unpopular because everyone wants Batman to be the one to build his own stuff. You know because Batman can do everything apparently.

I actually agree Harold should come back. Though I wouldn't keep him in the cave and he wouldn't know who Batman is.

- DC needs to stop teasing Batman/Poison Ivy and make it happen already.

Universe no. I don't want them hooking up at all. I don't see this teasing you speak of. Only time I've seen it is when Ivy is trying to drug him to do her bidding but it's not real interest. It's just what she does.

- Batman has outgrown many of his classic villains by now, especially Joker. If DC wants to move him forward, they need to start working on some obscure ones, or create new ones.

I disagree but I would like new ones anyway.

- I wouldn't mind Batman having more super-powered/gadget-powered villains created for him to throw down with. Something more along the lines of Clayface, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, Mr. Freeze, and so on.

Only if their low tier IMO.

- Gotham's gothic look needs to die already. It's not cool anymore, it's just plain boring. If you wanna differentiate Gotham, make it a futuristic dystopia, or something. Anything but that godawful gothic design.

Universe no.

- Black Mask has been a terrible villain since his inception. If you don't believe me, read his origin story, and how pathetic he is all throughout. He was never meant to be A-List material.

He can be fixed with work. I have some ideas but it would mean changes.

- White Rabbit needs to be fleshed out more. Yes, she has a knock-off Emma Frost outfit. But damn it, she was interesting!

White Rabbit should find out it's rabbit season and die. Actually if I got my hands on her and absolutely was forced to use her she would be nothing more than a tool for Mad Hatter to distract Batman. She would have no powers. Maaaybe have some gadget Made by Hatter she uses to project misdirection.

- The Batman was a more entertaining cartoon in many respects than Batman: The Animated Series. Especially with their take on Batman as more humane and friendly rather than cold and rude.

I disagree.

@fuzzylittlerodent:

-Most of Batman's mental issues are self-inflicted

I don't believe I would say most.

-He's not really relatable.

There is some truth to this.

-Dick Grayson is a better character

I disagree

-We needs moar Terry McGinnis in our lives

Strongly disagree unless it's the separate beyond universe.

-I hate TDKR

Props

-Court of Owls is the only good New 52 Batman story

That's true and though even that was mostly because of concept. I think they could have done it even better.

-Michael Keton is still my favorite Batman actor

Groan

-Batman:TAS has the best portrayal of Batman

It was very good. Though I'll never forgive them for hooking up Batman and Batgirl

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#31 Posted by Dernman (25897 posts) - - Show Bio
@aahz said:
@dernman said:

@aahz:


Insider suit, Justice Buster and and all the sensors he has now in his suit

Concerning the sensors I don't mind some. It can be too much but something like night vision lenses are not bad..

I'm ok with night vision and a computer link, but stuff like a lie detector, or chemical analysis is much. And I don't think that the Batmobil should be able to fly.

I agree with this.

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#32 Posted by PayneInTheAss (11151 posts) - - Show Bio
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#33 Posted by Dernman (25897 posts) - - Show Bio

@payneintheass: How? Half the time he looks like the rest of the Robin clones the other half are terrible artists.

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#34 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (18984 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce did got over the death of his parents, the fanboys didnt got over the fact he got over, so DC had to destroy character development.

Cold emotionless Batman is a terrible dumb and boring character.

Bruce should have a life, is getting terribly boring to read Batman comics books, where they keep telling you Batman is human, but they never show him doing anything human.

Batman isnt facing any character development anymore, based on poor excuses.

Harold, Lucius and the others were great things for the Batmythos, this whole Batman is an expert of everything and builds everything is just a boring thing and adds nothing to the character.

Making Batman relevant by making all the rest of JLA member pointless at long makes Batman even more pointless.

Scott Snyder is better at making the plots and concepts, that at writing the comic, he should be working with another writer.

Begins Ras Al Ghul is better that comic book one, at least his mission is millions of times better.

Batman is the real face is the biggest excuse they use, so Batman never faces any character development.

Batman needs less haz$pulling gadgets.

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#35 Posted by entropy_aegis (20770 posts) - - Show Bio

Supporting characters created by Scott Snyder and Gail Simone and bad and derivative, we dont need Harper Row,Strix,,Misfit and Duke Thomas.

Grayson is a very good book but the writers need to cool it with the fan service and fanboyism.

Tim Drake is obsolete,retire him DC.

Jason Todd should be a ruthless vigilante,a black sheep of the family and Batman's greatest failure as much as Grayson is his greatest triumph, enough with the Batgirling of Todd.

James Gordon Jr is stupid villain.

Harley and Ivy should should never be a couple.

Deathstroke should never be a Batman villain.

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#36 Posted by The_Kidd (11769 posts) - - Show Bio

  • Terry is one my favorite characters but should not have entered the main continuity.
  • Zero Year was pointless as most of Batman's history remained intact.
  • The Bat family has grown to big.
  • The Robin concept was dumb to begin with.
  • Barbara should of stayed as Oracle.
  • The Joker and Hush are overrated villains.

Supporting characters created by Scott Snyder and Gail Simone and bad and derivative, we dont need Harper Row,Strix,,Misfit and Duke Thomas.

Grayson is a very good book but the writers need to cool it with the fan service and fanboyism.

Tim Drake is obsolete,retire him DC.

Jason Todd should be a ruthless vigilante,a black sheep of the family and Batman's greatest failure as much as Grayson is his greatest triumph, enough with the Batgirling of Todd.

James Gordon Jr is stupid villain.

Harley and Ivy should should never be a couple.

Deathstroke should never be a Batman villain.

Agreed with everything except the Gordon Jr., they tried too hard to make him a hyper-competent psychopath trope but he is an interesting villain for the Gordon family(and by extension Dick) to have.

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#37 Edited by Tsukumo_Yuma (31 posts) - - Show Bio

Here are mine

Batman is crazy

Damian is one of the best Robins

Tim is my least favorite Robin

Terry should still be alive

I don't like Tim as Batman Beyond

1989 Batman movie is the best out of every Batman live action movie

Dark Knight trilogy was bad, only 3 was somewhat ok

The ages of the characters don't make sense, Bruce and Catwoman should be in their 40s, and Gordon should be in his late 50s or 60s

Red Hood/Arsenal is good and funny

The New 52 Batman need to show more Bruce when he isn't at work as Batman, and I don't mean the New Bruce.

Just get together with Catwoman already Bruce

Its already clear no matter how many times you say you are, you are not a loner Bruce, especially with the mini army that is the Bat-Familly

New 52 Batman needs more Alfred

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#38 Posted by Maverick93 (782 posts) - - Show Bio

I never found Dick Grayson interesting in any way.

Batman is not a particularly good character, only his villains and supporting cast make him great.

Alfred is the most interesting and likable character in the Bat-Family, Batman included.

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#39 Edited by Kingthunder99 (164 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Damian Wayne is the best robin

2. Tim is my least favorite robin

3. Dick and Jason have a lot of potential to become great characters but DC fails to capitalize on them

4. Ra's Al Ghul is the best Batman villain, but hasn't been written effectivly

5. Joker is overrated, their are plenty of other great Batman villains

6. Talia and Bruce should be a thing, but due to past writers it not going to happen

7. Bruce and Damian should have more bonding time outside of crime fighting

8. Poison Ivy, Bane, Mr.Freeze, Killer Croc and Clayface need to be taken more seriously and stop getting pushed to the way side (or jobbered Im lookin at you Croc and Bane). Their Batman's meta villains they should be more of a threat to him

9. I hate Jim as Batman and Scott's reasoning for Bruce not being Batman

10. Batman villains need some upgrades and Batman should get some more low tier meta humans as villains

11. Batman and Shiva need that rematch (Batman gonna give her the hands)

12. Batman is the World's Greatest Detective (Sherlock Homes isn't the better detective)

13. Batman and Bronze Tiger/Silver Monkey need that rematch (they gonna get them hands to)

14. Batman skill set should be consistent all across comics

15. Ace the Bathound needs to return

16. Damian makes sense in Batman's time line. He was born 10 years ago in comic time and Bruce was unaware of his birth.

17. Talia needs more appearances to truly showcase how deadly she is as a villain.

18. Ivy and Harley should not be a thing

19. Catwoman being Bi-sexual is pointless

20. DC continuously screws Bruce Wayne out of true happiness so that he can remain dark and broody

21. Ivy is the best member of the Gotham City Sirens

22. Tomasi is a better Batman and Robin writer than Morrison

23. While I did like Dick and Damian as Batman and Robin, Bruce and Damian as Batman and Robin was way better

24. Jason Todd should be a villain or anti-hero like Punisher who kills.

25. Barbara as Oracle is way better than her as Batgirl

26, Barbara and Dick should be a thing

27. Get rid of We are Robin, Gotham doesn't need any more young heroes running around.

28.Stephine is my least favorite Batgirl

29. Cassandra is overrated

30. Christian Bale is the worst live action Batman

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#40 Posted by lordraiden (9663 posts) - - Show Bio

@rdclip said:
  • He should die pointlessly after taking a stray bullet from some random thug

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#42 Posted by StaticDwanyeMcduffie (7017 posts) - - Show Bio

Supporting characters created by Scott Snyder and Gail Simone and bad and derivative, we dont need Harper Row,Strix,,Misfit and Duke Thomas.

Grayson is a very good book but the writers need to cool it with the fan service and fanboyism.

Tim Drake is obsolete,retire him DC.

Jason Todd should be a ruthless vigilante,a black sheep of the family and Batman's greatest failure as much as Grayson is his greatest triumph, enough with the Batgirling of Todd.

James Gordon Jr is stupid villain.

Harley and Ivy should should never be a couple.

Deathstroke should never be a Batman villain.

Duke is kinda stereotypical in a way but he is alright, Haven't read it

DC doesn't know what to do with Drake now

Yes

Yes

Yes

Idk who thought it was good idea to even think Deathstroke was a Batman Villian, adding fuel to Bat-hype

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#43 Posted by Deathstroke52 (7006 posts) - - Show Bio
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#44 Posted by deactivated-5a04a566e9ae3 (12864 posts) - - Show Bio
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#45 Posted by Aahz (1266 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Batman Year One is great but it should have been elseworld
  • the pre crisis Jason Todd stuff is quite good, better than most of the stuff about Dicks time as Robin
  • Killing Joke shouldn't be part of the new 52 continuity
  • Dick is not an A-List, and not close to becoming one as long as Bruce is around
  • Dicks Gypsy heritage was a dumb retcon, and the only thing that resulted from it was one of the most annoying support charaters
  • Dick didn't made a good job in Blüdhaven

Tim Drake is obsolete,retire him DC.

I think it is actually not bad if the Titans Members are full time on the Titans. Since the 90s most incarnations of the Team suffered from stuff that happened in other series and cross over events.

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#46 Edited by entropy_aegis (20770 posts) - - Show Bio

@aahz: Dick or Robin is more recognizable than everyone in DC save Batman and Superman. For a long time he was part of DC trinity,until they needed a token female to appear politically correct.

@staticdwanyemcduffie:

Duke is Tim Drake clone,Luke Fox is far better.

Drake outlived his usefulness back in Identity Crisis.

Deathstroke has shown up in 2 recent Batman video games,an animated movie and even an animated series as a major villain,believing he's a Batman villain wouldn't be unreasonable,I just dont want him to be one.

@sprior93 said:
@rpgesus said:

He sucks

You dont like Batman,you dont read Batman,yet so spend an awful lot of time commenting on Batman and even making threads about him,clearly there's something wrong with you.

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#47 Posted by StaticDwanyeMcduffie (7017 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: I don't like his hype, I think there a lot better characters then him, but still like some Batman books because of the concepts.

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#48 Posted by Aahz (1266 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: But he is still not A-List as Nightwing or Agent 37 and hasn't been Robin since the 80s.

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#49 Posted by entropy_aegis (20770 posts) - - Show Bio

@aahz said:

@entropy_aegis: But he is still not A-List as Nightwing or Agent 37 and hasn't been Robin since the 80s.

He's been Robin in all Robin adaptation,BTAS,The Batman,YJ, the Schumacher movies,Teen Titans show,no other Robin even comes close really.

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#50 Posted by Aahz (1266 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: Alfred, Barbara and Gordon have been in nearly that many show but they are also not A-List.

Dick doesn't have his own support cast, rouges gallery and setting and doesn't have any really iconic solo stories as Nightwing or Agent 37.