Did Batman technically killed Ras Al Ghul in Batman Begins?

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Batman says,, "'I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you," then leaves Ras knowing the odds of Ras surviving the crash is very slim. So he knew that he was not going to make it, and this is kinda like him killing....sort of?

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#2  Edited By the_stegman  Moderator

Nope, if I see someone about to be eaten by a bear and don't warn him, doesn't mean I killed him, the bear killed him.

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Batman doesn't kill people, batarangs kill people.

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#4  Edited By silent_bomber

@the_stegman said:

Nope, if I see someone about to be eaten by a bear and don't warn him, doesn't mean I killed him, the bear killed him.

What if the only reason the Bear is there, is because you put it there in the first place?

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#5  Edited By the_stegman  Moderator

@silent_bomber: Batman didn't put Ra's on the train, he was already there. And Gordon was the one who blew it up.

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This thread again.

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#7  Edited By JakeN7

@the_stegman: Do you have a bear analogy for Two-Face's death? :P Lol

Nolan Batman's a murderer through and through.

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Gordon killed Ras.

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#10  Edited By modernww2fare

@the_stegman said:

@silent_bomber: Batman didn't put Ra's on the train, he was already there. And Gordon was the one who blew it up.

Who gave Gordon the tumbler and told him to blow up the monorail beams? who knew the monorail was going to collapse as a result and left Ra's to die? it's like being in a zoo with someone and letting a bear out of it's cage so it can attack that person while you just watch even though you could've prevented that

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Funniest thing was when he was ordered to kill the dude in the League of Shadows base, refused, started a fight, and then blew up the base and killed everyone in it most likely including the dude he just refused to kill LOL.

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yes he did kill Ra's. Batman is a hero and his code dosnt allow him to pick and choose who he saves and dosnt save everyone is under his protection so for him to let someone die is just as bad as if he killed them himself. I mean just check out Batman's reaction after he finds out Dick let Tarancula kill Blockbuster

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also, is it me or does Ra's sound like Batman at 1:43 in the video?

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Based on everything we had seen from Ras up to that point, he honestly should have been able to save himself.

That said, he is guilty of manslaughter at most.

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Same way Superman killed all those babies in the genesis chambers in Man of Steel.

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@farkam said:

This thread again.

My guesses is this thread has been done before.....

My bad.

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#17  Edited By jayc1324

No batman did not kill him. He did not blow up the train tracks, did not put ras on the train, and did not make it so that the train couldn't stop. If you really want to blame someone blame Gordon but it's really ras' own fault

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Same way Superman killed all those babies in the genesis chambers in Man of Steel.

There weren't any babies in the genesis chamber. With the codex, there could have been babies in there but at the time there weren't any of them.

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Funniest thing was when he was ordered to kill the dude in the League of Shadows base, refused, started a fight, and then blew up the base and killed everyone in it most likely including the dude he just refused to kill LOL.

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Who cares if he killed Ghul or not, can we all just agree that Batman pushed Two-Face out of a window, causing him to fall to his death?

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#21  Edited By LordoftheNorth

@jayc1324: but Batman could have saved Ra's but he chose not to Batman's code dosnt allow him to make those kind of decisions if it did Joker would have died a long time ago

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#22  Edited By zrhatch99

have you noticed in almost every movie (except batman 1966/ Batman & Robin) batman has killed one villain?

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@zrhatch99: I notice that too. One being in Batman Forever when he throws all those coins at Two-Face to make him fall to his death.

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#24  Edited By the_stegman  Moderator
@ssjdarthplagueis said:

@zrhatch99: I notice that too. One being in Batman Forever when he throws all those coins at Two-Face to make him fall to his death.

Again, it seems like intent is the thing in question here, cause he didn't actually push Two Face (well, THIS one at least) and make him fall, he indirectly caused him to slip with those coins.

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#25  Edited By zrhatch99

@ssjdarthplagueis said:

@zrhatch99: I notice that too. One being in Batman Forever when he throws all those coins at Two-Face to make him fall to his death.

Again, it seems like intent is the thing in question here, cause he didn't actually push Two Face (well, THIS one at least) and make him fall, he indirectly caused him to slip with those coins.

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but also (in the 1989 original) batman kills the joker with no doubt.

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#26 rogueshadow  Moderator

Been done.

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He didn't kill him, he just didn't save him. The TRAIN killed him lol.

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The concept of "kill" or "murder" is more complicated than I realized recently.

Is it considered "killing" if I choose not to help a person who will clearly die without help? Some laws will state that depending on the scenario, it is considered killing.

Is it considered "killing" if I choose to tackle a person in a dangerous position that resulted in his death without the intent to kill?

etc etc

Clearly, from most countries' laws, Batman of the Nolan movies did kill, just that he did it in ways when its absolutely necessary. As much as fanboys hated it, their idea of Batman is not theirs to write. Batman of the comics did kill in times of absolute necessity.

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Yes, yes he did.

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Batman did not kill Ra's. lol

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He is guilty of Ra's death but he didnt kill him

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Now I see it more as Ra's put himself in that position, Bruce had to blow up the rail and Ra's is the on that chose to stay on the train eventhrough it was all gonna blow up.

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It's culpable homicide

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#34  Edited By zaied

Bruce doesn't deny that he killed Ra's when Talia says that he 'murdered' him. In fact, he uses his plan of destroying Gotham as justification.

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He didn't murder him. Batman is responsible however for the causation.

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Ra's al ghul was guilty if he did not wanted to die he could have apologized to batman and said i want to change my ways plz help me i will not kill anyone else. he did not . batman could have saved him but he chose not to do so because batman knew he would not change at all. and if he was going to he could have told him so.