@bat_girl_cc: While I thought thought the Cass moment was awesome, I think Tynion over did it. Is she was able to beat the entirety of the league single handed, when every other character could only do a handful, Tynion essentially made her a win all button. It's the main problem I have with his run. He takes a certain character every arc, focuses on them to the detriment of every other character, especially Bruce with consistent verbal and actual showings of how said character is better and surpasses him. Shiva and Bruce used to be rivals, with Shiva still being decisively better than him. While Cass would beat him to an even greater degree than Shiva in a h2h, it was shown in the past that Bruce with standard equip makes it a real toss up, not saying he would win, but it was plausibly debatable. To give Cass her big moment here, Tynion retconned the Bruce Shiva rivalry, and made every other character absolute chumps compared to what is essentially fodder ninja. The league of shadows in this story were never really a threat, Cass just had to find herself apparantly.
I would have much preferred a one on one fight against shiva, h2h, where Cass wins and the rest of the team fights the league. Cass still shows she's better than ANY of them in h2h, best in the DCU, but Tynion wouldn't need to retcon the Shiva Bruce rivalry, wouldn't need to make Ra's al Gul the easy mode of the league, wouldn't have had to have every single member lose. Why would Batwing just stand there? HOW could clayface lose. Honestly, Clayface should have just laughed at everything and ended this in a second.
Cass deserves her moment, and while she got it, I think Tynion overdid it with how he wrote the story and the constant comparisons to Bruce are annoying me about this book. I don't think Bruce is going to do much next issue. I think he will lose and Cass will beat shiva on on one to finish it. Makes no sense, because with gadgets that shouldn't happen. But it's consistent with how Tynion wants to show how great these characters are. He did it with Tim and is starting to do it with Azrael also. I still think the book is really good, it's well written and gives characters that were forgotten a chance to come back and more importantly, it gives fans who identified with these characters a reason to fall in love with them all over again. I think this is exactly what DC needed and I don't think it would be fair to focus solely on the negatives about a book that is clearly written as a love letter to fans of the classic Batfam by someone who is clearly passionate about the source material. I just wish Tynion himself was doing it in a better way than "LOOK everyone!! Batman can't do it! who else could!!??" The only cool thing he's done happened off panel, we never saw him lose to fifty colony soldiers, we actually saw him lose to 4.
I think we have to consider the fact, that as Tim Drake put it, the Detective Comics current team, is pretty much like "Batman's private justice league"...i mean:
Batman: Top-tier fighter; one of the best leaders on the planet; one of the best strategist's on the planet; one of the smartest persons on the planet; one of the best detectives on the planet; full of resources for gear, equipment, tech, etc.
Batwoman: Pretty much a female-Batman, and capabilities-wise they've been hyping her up to be a female-Batman more now than ever.
Cassandra Cain: Most capable fighter in the world, always knows her opponents next moves before they actually make them, and she's so fast in close-quarters that sometimes she even appears to have super-speed.
Batwing: Has a Batman-Beyond like-suit, which allows him to fight metas and he also has a genius-level intelect.
Clayface: Can shapeshift; very strong; is almost invulnerable; pretty much invencible in a random encounter against most opponents.
Spoiler: She's so smart and resoursfull that she can take anyone out with one touch on one single button...
When you have a team like this, PLOT is bound to play a key role, on this team stories...i mean, its like in the real Justice League but obviously to a smaller degree, i mean look at most members of the JLA, most of them can single-handily take on almost any super-powered being in the universe and have a good chance of winning...but you still have to "sell" that there are threats big enough to challenge this team, and you have to make them struggle for the story to not become boring, i mean what i'm saying is, this team is in a way too powerfull for its own good, which means that sometimes the writter, on this case James Tynion will have to look the other way, when writting his stories on this book, because he has characters that can solo entire teams one's with prep others don't even need it...
I don't think that Tynion rebooted the Batman vs Shiva history, because that history had already been rebooted by Flashpoint...in the current continuity, Batman has only faced Shiva once and he lost but she poisoned him before engaging him in hand-to-hand...any other ocasion it toke place off-panel.
I also don't think that Tynion over did it, as i pointed out on a comment that i made earlier on this thread, Cass rescued the others in time for the final fight...if Tnion wantted, he could have Cass solo'ing everyone, and only rescuing the others after the fight was finished...but he didn't, and i think it was great.
I agree that this is a great book and it has the best writter for it, thats what matters at the end of the day, right? :)
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