The Falcon is a ,surprisingly, tough customer in his appearance on Averngers EMH:
Sam Wilson
Character » Sam Wilson appears in 2472 issues.
A social worker turned hero, Sam Wilson's bleak outlook on life was wiped away the day he met Captain America. Using a winged costume and his remarkable combat prowess and avian telepathy, he became the Falcon - defender of Harlem, and eventually bearer of Captain America mantle.
The Falcon Is A bada@@ in Avengers EMH
@War Killer said:
Eh... Also, his voice just sounded...off for some reason.
Not sure what Eh... means. I didn't care for the voice either but at least they wrote and animated him as formidable fighter.
@War Killer said:
@TheSwordsman said:The scene wasn't that exciting.@War Killer said:
Eh...Not sure what Eh... means.
Well, what's exciting is relative and subjective. I thought it was a pretty good scene. You sure it's not just because you don't like the character for whatever reason?
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
I saw this one. He gets his butt kicked and runs away.
He still took down Hawkeye in hand-to-hand and showed decent offensive capabilities. Looked to me like Hawkeye was the one who got his butt kicked and used some sleight of hand to squeak out the win.
@TheSwordsman said:
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
I saw this one. He gets his butt kicked and runs away.He still took down Hawkeye in hand-to-hand and showed decent offensive capabilities. Looked to me like Hawkeye was the one who got his butt kicked and used some sleight of hand to squeak out the win.
Took him down....and he got up what? 8 seconds later? 5?
@Kallarkz said:
@TheSwordsman said:
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
I saw this one. He gets his butt kicked and runs away.He still took down Hawkeye in hand-to-hand and showed decent offensive capabilities. Looked to me like Hawkeye was the one who got his butt kicked and used some sleight of hand to squeak out the win.
Took him down....and he got up what? 8 seconds later? 5?
Still took him down. And took out his bow. At least they portrayed Falcon as a decent fighter with good offensive skills and weaponry.
@BlackArmor said:
Well he took Hawkeye's lunch money.....you know before he got his feathery butt handed to him
Looked to me like Hawkeye used a sneak attack (nothing wrong with that) to win and that Hawkeye is actually the one who got his butt handed to him. Not sure why so many people dislike The Falcon so much.
@TheSwordsman said:
@BlackArmor said:
Well he took Hawkeye's lunch money.....you know before he got his feathery butt handed to him
Looked to me like Hawkeye used a sneak attack (nothing wrong with that) to win and that Hawkeye is actually the one who got his butt handed to him. Not sure why so many people dislike The Falcon so much.
True and I acknowledged his beat down of Hawkeye but Falcon still took the most damage in the end
note: this is not Falcon hate, I actually think the dude is kinda cool
@mr.obvious said:
He wasn't that badass...
I didn't say he was that badass. I said he was badass. As opposed to not badassed. There was a level of badassery, whatever the extent.
@TheSwordsman said:
@Kallarkz said:
@TheSwordsman said:
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
I saw this one. He gets his butt kicked and runs away.He still took down Hawkeye in hand-to-hand and showed decent offensive capabilities. Looked to me like Hawkeye was the one who got his butt kicked and used some sleight of hand to squeak out the win.
Took him down....and he got up what? 8 seconds later? 5?
Still took him down. And took out his bow. At least they portrayed Falcon as a decent fighter with good offensive skills and weaponry.
He ran away. Not quite sure how much honor and "credit" we can give Falcon here.
The ran away part is really hard to get over.
@BlackArmor said:
@TheSwordsman said:
@BlackArmor said:
Well he took Hawkeye's lunch money.....you know before he got his feathery butt handed to him
Looked to me like Hawkeye used a sneak attack (nothing wrong with that) to win and that Hawkeye is actually the one who got his butt handed to him. Not sure why so many people dislike The Falcon so much.
True and I acknowledged his beat down of Hawkeye but Falcon still took the most damage in the end
note: this is not Falcon hate, I actually think the dude is kinda cool
Actually Hawkeye took the most damage in the end..Falcon just got tased pretty much aside from the fall.
Doesn't really seem like you think he is cool by your initial post.
@Kallarkz said:
@TheSwordsman said:
@Kallarkz said:
@TheSwordsman said:
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
I saw this one. He gets his butt kicked and runs away.He still took down Hawkeye in hand-to-hand and showed decent offensive capabilities. Looked to me like Hawkeye was the one who got his butt kicked and used some sleight of hand to squeak out the win.
Took him down....and he got up what? 8 seconds later? 5?
Still took him down. And took out his bow. At least they portrayed Falcon as a decent fighter with good offensive skills and weaponry.
He ran away. Not quite sure how much honor and "credit" we can give Falcon here.
The ran away part is really hard to get over.
He ran away because they wrote it that way. Prior to that they wrote him as a tough hand-to-hand fiighter with skill and decent weaponry. Not sure why you are turning this into a battle except maybe you just don't like him for whatever reason so you can't give credit for his showing.
Again, They wrote the running part. At least they wrote him as a viable fighter.
I'll admit that he's not on of my favorite characters, but I've never minded his presence in Captain America when written by Ed Brubaker.@War Killer said:
@TheSwordsman said:The scene wasn't that exciting.@War Killer said:
Eh...Not sure what Eh... means.
Well, what's exciting is relative and subjective. I thought it was a pretty good scene. You sure it's not just because you don't like the character for whatever reason?
@mr.obvious said:
@TheSwordsman: I dunno, I would say Hawkeye was more of a badass in that clip than Falcon was...
Hawkeye got beaten, his bow destroyed and then snuck an arrow into Falcons wing. That isn't really badassed, although Hawkeye is a badass.You just cannot give the character credit for whatever reason.
Meh, he didn't impress me...like at all
Now VISION on the other hand...he was a freakin boss (also notice at the beginning how Black Panther's female guard took Hawkeye out faster and easier than Falcon >_< )
@War Killer said:
@TheSwordsman said:I'll admit that he's not on of my favorite characters, but I've never minded his presence in Captain America when written by Ed Brubaker.@War Killer said:
@TheSwordsman said:The scene wasn't that exciting.@War Killer said:
Eh...Not sure what Eh... means.
Well, what's exciting is relative and subjective. I thought it was a pretty good scene. You sure it's not just because you don't like the character for whatever reason?
That is likely why the scene was not exciting for you. To me it seemed just as on par action-wise as any of the other scenes from the show.
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he did his thang and clint did his
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VOice MOS DEFintinely sounded off
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@The Stegman said:
Meh, he didn't impress me...like at all
Now VISION on the other hand...he was a freakin boss
I doubt if anything by the falcon would impress you anyway.
@Kallarkz said:
Of course they write the running away part. They wrote everything.
I'll admit he looked better than usual but for Falcon that doesn't say much.
Not a battle...just not seeing anything impressive from Falcon and I haven't for some time now.
He looked like a good fighter to me.
Sounds like nothing from the falcon would impress you.
@TheSwordsman said:
@Kallarkz said:
Of course they write the running away part. They wrote everything.
I'll admit he looked better than usual but for Falcon that doesn't say much.
Not a battle...just not seeing anything impressive from Falcon and I haven't for some time now.
He looked like a good fighter to me.
Sounds like nothing from the falcon would impress you.
how about him winning the fight?
Step 1: Get there
Step 2: Fight
Step 3: Win
When he gets to step 3 more than once a year I will give him his standing ovation you believe he deserves for this 15 second showing of excellence.
I don't understand why you're taking this so personally, you like Falcon, fine, but just because I'm not impressed by him swooping in and doing mediocre fighting moves against Hawkeye (who to me was more impressive in the scene) and Bruce Banner doesn't mean I'm hating on the character, it's just that the clip wasn't impressive to me.@The Stegman said:
Meh, he didn't impress me...like at all
Now VISION on the other hand...he was a freakin bossI doubt if anything by the falcon would impress you anyway.
@Kallarkz said:
Of course they write the running away part. They wrote everything.
I'll admit he looked better than usual but for Falcon that doesn't say much.
Not a battle...just not seeing anything impressive from Falcon and I haven't for some time now.
He looked like a good fighter to me.
Sounds like nothing from the falcon would impress you.
@Kallarkz said:
@TheSwordsman said:
@Kallarkz said:
Of course they write the running away part. They wrote everything.
I'll admit he looked better than usual but for Falcon that doesn't say much.
Not a battle...just not seeing anything impressive from Falcon and I haven't for some time now.
He looked like a good fighter to me.
Sounds like nothing from the falcon would impress you.
how about him winning the fight?
Step 1: Get there
Step 2: Fight
Step 3: Win
When he gets to step 3 more than once a year I will give him his standing ovation you believe he deserves for this 15 second showing of excellence.
I never said anything about a standing ovation. They barely show BP ever winning a fight anymore without the help of another character. My point was that he shows some skill and toughness. I can't make the writers give him the win, I can only applaud the fact that at least they didn't write him as a wimp. At least you gave him credit for his "15 seconds of excellence" so my job is done.
@The Stegman said:
@TheSwordsman:I don't understand why you're taking this so personally, you like Falcon, fine, but just because I'm not impressed by him swooping in and doing mediocre fighting moves against Hawkeye (who to me was more impressive in the scene) and Bruce Banner doesn't mean I'm hating on the character, it's just that the clip wasn't impressive to me.@The Stegman said:
Meh, he didn't impress me...like at all
Now VISION on the other hand...he was a freakin bossI doubt if anything by the falcon would impress you anyway.
@Kallarkz said:
Of course they write the running away part. They wrote everything.
I'll admit he looked better than usual but for Falcon that doesn't say much.
Not a battle...just not seeing anything impressive from Falcon and I haven't for some time now.
He looked like a good fighter to me.
Sounds like nothing from the falcon would impress you.
I am not taking this any more personal than you. It's a thread. you commented. I commented back. The clip was right on par with most of the other combat scenes in the show. Replace falcon with a character you like and I am certain your view of the scene would be much different. Good luck to you.
@TheSwordsman said:
@BlackArmor said:
@TheSwordsman said:
@BlackArmor said:
Well he took Hawkeye's lunch money.....you know before he got his feathery butt handed to him
Looked to me like Hawkeye used a sneak attack (nothing wrong with that) to win and that Hawkeye is actually the one who got his butt handed to him. Not sure why so many people dislike The Falcon so much.
True and I acknowledged his beat down of Hawkeye but Falcon still took the most damage in the end
note: this is not Falcon hate, I actually think the dude is kinda cool
Actually Hawkeye took the most damage in the end..Falcon just got tased pretty much aside from the fall.
Doesn't really seem like you think he is cool by your initial post.
Eh, it looked like he took more damage than Hawkeye to me but whatever. I'm not a Falcon fan but I'm not a hater, I know he has his cool moments and I take that into consideration when I decide how I feel about the character I also know that he's not as lame as everyone says, but even though I hold marginal good will towards the character I can see he plainly just suffered a loss so my original comment was intended to point out in a somewhat humerus fashion that he did in fact take damage and then retreat after only one blow suffered
@mr.obvious said:
@TheSwordsman: I dunno, I would say Hawkeye was more of a badass in that clip than Falcon was...
exactly
@BlackArmor said:
@TheSwordsman said:
@BlackArmor said:
@TheSwordsman said:
@BlackArmor said:
Well he took Hawkeye's lunch money.....you know before he got his feathery butt handed to him
Looked to me like Hawkeye used a sneak attack (nothing wrong with that) to win and that Hawkeye is actually the one who got his butt handed to him. Not sure why so many people dislike The Falcon so much.
True and I acknowledged his beat down of Hawkeye but Falcon still took the most damage in the end
note: this is not Falcon hate, I actually think the dude is kinda cool
Actually Hawkeye took the most damage in the end..Falcon just got tased pretty much aside from the fall.
Doesn't really seem like you think he is cool by your initial post.
Eh, it looked like he took more damage than Hawkeye to me but whatever. I'm not a Falcon fan but I'm not a hater, I know he has his cool moments and I take that into consideration when I decide how I feel about the character I also know that he's not as lame as everyone says, but even though I hold marginal good will towards the character I can see he plainly just suffered a loss so my original comment was intended to point out in a somewhat humerus fashion that he did in fact take damage and then retreat after only one blow suffered
Oh. So basically it was humorous trolling. Got ya.
That's the thing though, it's not the character that didn't impress me, I have nothing against Falcon, it's just..his moves didn't impress me,@Kallarkz said:
@TheSwordsman said:
@Kallarkz said:
Of course they write the running away part. They wrote everything.
I'll admit he looked better than usual but for Falcon that doesn't say much.
Not a battle...just not seeing anything impressive from Falcon and I haven't for some time now.
He looked like a good fighter to me.
Sounds like nothing from the falcon would impress you.
how about him winning the fight?
Step 1: Get there
Step 2: Fight
Step 3: Win
When he gets to step 3 more than once a year I will give him his standing ovation you believe he deserves for this 15 second showing of excellence.
I never said anything about a standing ovation. They barely show BP ever winning a fight anymore without the help of another character. My point was that he shows some skill and toughness. I can't make the writers give him the win, I can only applaud the fact that at least they didn't write him as a wimp. At least you gave him credit for his "15 seconds of excellence" so my job is done.
@The Stegman said:
@TheSwordsman:I don't understand why you're taking this so personally, you like Falcon, fine, but just because I'm not impressed by him swooping in and doing mediocre fighting moves against Hawkeye (who to me was more impressive in the scene) and Bruce Banner doesn't mean I'm hating on the character, it's just that the clip wasn't impressive to me.@The Stegman said:
Meh, he didn't impress me...like at all
Now VISION on the other hand...he was a freakin bossI doubt if anything by the falcon would impress you anyway.
@Kallarkz said:
Of course they write the running away part. They wrote everything.
I'll admit he looked better than usual but for Falcon that doesn't say much.
Not a battle...just not seeing anything impressive from Falcon and I haven't for some time now.
He looked like a good fighter to me.
Sounds like nothing from the falcon would impress you.
I am not taking this any more personal than you. It's a thread. you commented. I commented back. The clip was right on par with most of the other combat scenes in the show. Replace falcon with a character you like and I am certain your view of the scene would be much different. Good luck to you.
for example, let's replace him with say Batman, who I adore, and if Batman did the following:
1. Swoop in and throw batarangs to disable a surprised Hawkeye
2. Kidnap Banner and swoop away only to be stopped by Hawkeye
3. Fall and rebound with two punches only to be stunned by a arrow stuck in his wing, and fly away.
then yeah, I wouldn't be that impressed by Batman either.
As for the claim that it's on par with most other combat scenes, no, it's not, I just showed Vision talking down the Avengers pretty handedly, I think it's the next episode or so actually, as well as many other characters showing much more impressive feats throughout the series.
@TheSwordsman said:
That is likely why the scene was not exciting for you. To me it seemed just as on par action-wise as any of the other scenes from the show.
So your job is to make us see that Falcon did a good job?
Keep trying.
You really need to be able to detect sarcasm better.
And if you were referring to the Black Panther you really haven't been reading his books. Don't know where you are getting that information from.
@TheSwordsman: I don't see how it was trolling, I basically summarised there hand to hand fight, he took down Hawkeye, then he got taken down, and might I add when he got taken down it was for longer, I didn't say anything offensive, I didn't try to provoke any one into an argument, I didn't even necessarily disagree with your original point about Falcon being a badass because I never said he wasn't but if I had gone even so far as to say that he preformed horribly in that fight (which I'm not saying) it still wouldn't be trolling ,I simply stated facts He beat Hawkeye then he got beaten.
@The Stegman: I love Black Panthers female guard....they may even be what I miss most about this show when it's gone, they were just so awesome and badass
@Kallarkz said:
My Job isn't to do anything. I made a thread because I was happy to see that they showed Falcon as a decent character, not that he was better than anyone, but that at least he wasn't a wimp. I was referring to BP in the EMH series. God you people treat every thread like a battle thread or an opportunity to troll.
@The Stegman said:
I wasn't saying he was better than vision or anyone, only that he had a showing in which he did well. God you people treat every thread like a battle thread or an opportunity to troll.
I'm done. Looks like you can't even have an enjoyable, decent. conversation in a thread. Yes, yes, everyone sucks but the people you guys say don't.
THOR! and how he just says things like "NAY VILLAIN, YOU SHALL FALL!'' or "FOR MIDGARD!!!'' out of nowhere before tossing his hammer.
@TheSwordsman said:
Was it you or I who said "at least you gave him credit, my job is done". -_-
Nobody here is trolling and it's not a battle.
You made a thread claiming that a character looked badass.
We are telling you that he did nothing impressive. Plain and simple.
You not liking that does not classify our comments as trolling.
...Dude, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to belittle the character, just because I have a difference of opinion than you doesn't mean I'm biased against Falcon, you can replace him with ANYONE and if they do the same thing he did in the fight, I wouldn't be impressed by them. You made the thread to get commentary, not compliments, and for me, Falcon wasn't impressive in this scene.@The Stegman said:
I wasn't saying he was better than vision or anyone, only that he had a showing in which he did well. God you people treat every thread like a battle thread or an opportunity to troll.
I'm done. Looks like you can't even have an enjoyable, decent. conversation in a thread. Yes, yes, everyone sucks but the people you guys say don't.
@The Stegman: Yeah, those things along with many others were awesome. Why must Marvel destroy everything good?
I'll admit that after going back and reading some of Ed Brubaker's run on Captain America, I found myself enjoying Falcon's presence. I know the idea of him "talking" to birds sounds silly, but the idea of being able to see what every bird in New York City can see is a pretty handy ability.
The Falcon is like Aquaman...but lamer. But, seeing as how the next Avengers has The Falcon as somewhat of the main character, they might make him cooler. But, being that it's part of the current Spiderman cartoon continuity, I doubt it.
@Osiris1428: I wouldn't say that I just don't think Falcon has had a good writer or portrayal yet. Aquaman was the same way until he was revamped into something better than that lame Super Friends version.
As for the scene (yes I know this threads a bit dated) Hawkeye owned Falcon though I'm not complaining Hawkeye was a beast in the show, and Falcon also had the drop on him still made him fly the coop. Pun intended.
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