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    Concept » Dragon Ball Universe appears in 185 issues.

    The shared universe between some of the works of Akira Toriyama such as Dragonball, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Dr Slump, Neko Majin, and other one shot mangas.

    Your version of multiplier for all nine saiyan transformation

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    Tier One - Super SaiyanTier Two - Great ApeTier Three - Super Saiyan God
    SSJ(1st Stage) - 50x Base LevelGreat Ape(Enraged) - 10x Base LevelSSG(Red) - 28,000x Base Level
    SSJ(2nd Stage) - 2x SSJ(1st Stage), 100x Base LevelGreat Ape(Golden) - 50x Great Ape(Enraged), 500x Base Level SSG(Blue) - 50x SSG(Red), 1,400,000x Base Level
    SSJ(3rd Stage) - 4x SSJ(2nd Stage), 400x Base LevelGreat Ape(Mastered) - 10x Great Ape(Golden), 5000x Base LevelSSG(White) - 20x SSG(Blue), 28,000,000x Base Level

    The above table reflect my multiplier for the saiyan transformations. I refer to the SSJ4 form as Great Ape(Mastered) because I view SSJ4 as the final form of the Oozaru(Great Ape). The multiplier for SSG(Red) is 70x SSJ3 because Beerus use about 70% of his power against SSG(Red) but was able to trounce SSJ3 with 1% of his power. For SSG(White) I have no idea for a multiplier so I just threw a 20x in there. So what are your idea of multiplier for the saiyan transformations.

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    FSSJ - x10 (short time limit)

    SS1 - x10 (x50 is too high, of course I would change KK aswell to up to x5 at best)

    2nd Grade/USSJ (Super Vegeta) - x15 with huge ki drain

    3rd Grade/USSJ2 - x20 power, x5 speed

    4th grade/MSSJ - x15 with no drain

    5th grade/SS2 - x20

    6th grade/SS3 - x50 with huge ki drain

    7th grade/Ikari - from x10 (SSJ) up to as much as user's body can handle based on anger

    Oozaru - x5

    Golden Oozaru - x50 (Oozaru x SSJ) (uncontrolable)

    SS4 - x50 (controlable, no ki drain)

    SSG - idk lol

    SSB - 1.5x SSG

    LSS - getting stronger over time to as much as user's body can handle, uncontrolable

    MLSS - same as LSS but controlable

    UI/MUI - shouldn't be a power boost

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    Pseudo super saiyan : more powerful than a 100 x kaioken though the multiplier beyond that is unknown

    Super saiyan : 50 x, it consumes ki and drains the user and can be accessed only temporarily

    Super saiyan Grade 2 : unknown, beyond 50 though less than 100

    Super saiyan Grade 3 : unknown, beyond Grade 2 though less than SS2, it consumes stamina, energy, increase too much mass, and downgrade speed

    Super saiyan grade 4 / mastered SS : 50 x with no downside as if base-form

    Super saiyan grade 5 : 100 x, same issues with SS Grade 1

    Super saiyan Grade 6 : 400 x, same as SS Grade 5 though even grander issues

    bonus information: the author stated that goku was 6 compared to beerus who's 10 and whis that's 15, which means white is 50% more powerful than beerus, and kakarot had 42% of beerus power which is not a lot when you consider that vegeta made beerus use 10% of his power, that's like 10 times Vegeta at best.

    Saiyan beyond God or God-like base-form : God ki instead of ki, unknown to whether it can be measured or not or what the increase or multiplier of god ki to ki

    Super Saiyan God self-form : unknown multiplier or increasement and confirmed as less than 50x

    Super saiyan God super saiyan : 50 x multiplier to God-like base-form, same issues as SS Grade 1

    Perfected Super saiyan God : unknown to be whether it's still 50x or not though it's as SS Grade 4

    Super saiyan God ritual-form : 300 x God-like base-form, can grant the user the power of 6 saiyans whose power are multiplied by 6 then transferred to one saiyan

    Super saiyan 4 : 500 x, Goku is shown to be in base-form alongside a hybrid form of The Great ape whose multiplier is 10 to that of a super saiyan, it is unknown whether the 500 x still present for SS4 as for Golden great ape as the form gains a red skin rather than a Yellow one like the Psuedo super saiyan form

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    Ssj-X50 the ascension phases are no longer used, but they could stack all the way to be close to ssj2 in strength alone.

    Ssj2-X4 Ssj, it’s essentially ssj grade 3 that trunks and goku used without the speed loss. Ssj2 probably is slightly stronger.

    Ssj3-X2 ssj2

    Ssjg-X20 ssj3

    Ssb-X50 ssjg

    UI omen-X50 Ssb

    MUI-X2 UI Omen (rage boost makes it 2.5X)

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    @scotchbear: quite interesting, when trunks used Grade 3 against cell, cell confirmed that the form has speed issues, mobility issues, and stamina issues, and that he can use it if he wish so, if that was the case then, cell would have used it against gohan grade 5 or as it is known as a super saiyan 2 though he did not since he knew gohan was still overpowering him confirming that grade 3 has less strength multiplication than that of a grade 5

    Super saiyan God is definitely not 20 x SS3, as it already has an established multiplier, which is 300 x Godlike base-form as to 50 x Godlike base-form like SSB

    though the self-transform SSG is unknown though it is confirmed to be above Godlike base-form and less than 50 x Godlike base-form SSB

    Ultra instinct is not a multiplier, it is a technique that lord of destructions alongside the angels use to pregonite others alongside instantaneous body movement. though it is to be discussed to whether it has an effect to saiyans' biology as it shows one rather than none as The destruction lords and angels.

    Mastered Ultra instinct omen simply is Ultra instinct just not temporarily and mastered.

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    @gaoron: FSSJ is SSJ not a new form.

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    @gokugoat: Yeah I guess u're right. It was meant to be super saiyan but they didn't have a proper design for it yet.

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    @gokugoat: it definitely is not as super saiyan golden form, and goku used kaioken 100 against lord slug, and yet was not able to beat him, meaning the form definitely has more than 100 x multiplier unlike the golden super saiyan who's just 50 x multiplier

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    @gaoron: wouldn't that be the same as stating Super saiyan had originally more than 100x multiplier and different design, and that design would be featured in The TV show after the initial design is already featured in it?, sounds rather too much for a coincidence

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    @phantomshepherdmanga: Going too deep with it. FSSJ is SSJ there no such thing of it existing outside of the movie. Not even heroes has that form in the game.

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    @gokugoat: Games are not canon, so no point in mentioning them, Pseudo Super saiyan has different multiplier and design and lore behind it than its counterpart, Yellow super saiyan, so no, they are not the same, and there are references to the movie in GT, and vegeta soul form resemble similarities to the form with pupils vanishing, red-like aura/hair, it definitely has some references in Both the TV show Z and GT alongside the movie, it's definitely a thing alongside kaioken 100x

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    I used to be a part of a Dragonball roleplay community a long time ago where you raised your power level based on your word count and various multipliers. The first iteration had SSJX50 like the databooks say, but the numbers got unwieldy when you needed to do the math to determine your stats and such and it made transformations so oppressive that even if you worked three times as hard as a Saiyan they'd always be massively stronger than you by going Super Saiyan.

    The second iteration was much better balanced, I feel.

    KaoikenX20 = 1.2X boost
    Super Saiyan = 1.5X boost
    SSJ2 = 2X boost
    SSJ3 = 3X boost
    SSJ4 = 5X boost

    God forms hadn't been invented yet.

    These multipliers made transformations still a significant advantage, but not something you couldn't overcome with enough training and dedication. There were also power ups non-Saiyans could get to close the gap, like the Warrior Namekian's giant form or Frieza's races' transformations. It was also now possible to believably fight against someone in a higher transformation tier than you by being smart and using your techniques effectively.

    It's also about what these forms feel like currently in Super. The gap between Goku's base and his super saiyan form certainly doesn't seem like the gap between 10 and 500. Goku's base form can still fight opponents his Super Saiyan form might struggle with, and that simply shouldn't be possible if the gap in stats was a magnitude of 50.

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    @metaljimmor: interesting, though it would be weird for goku to have a PL of 400 as a base-form verses a character whose PL is 20.000, it would be nigh impossible, an equivalent would be kuririn vs Frieza, and The God forms are quite nice as they add features such as the ability as stealth, Waste free, Energy increasement for power

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    @phantomshepherdmanga:

    True, but at the same time there's nothing wrong with running into foes even your best form can't beat. We got exactly that with Beerus after all. With smaller multipliers you get significantly less PIS from instances like Krillin being able to fight SSJB Goku, as an example. As is it's ludicrous. SSJB is something like hundreds, if not thousands of times more powerful than Base Goku, and Krillin likely isn't far beyond that. Mathematically he should never last more than a second in a million years even if Goku was holding back 99% of his power. But if SSJB is only X5 or even X10 it doesn't feel like such an absurd leap for Krillin to be able to put up a degree of resistance.

    It would also make characters moving between SSJ tiers more palatable. Android 17? He trained hard and grew, say, three times stronger than he was so now he can compete with SSJB. It feels more believable than him growing hundreds or thousands of times stronger off-screen.

    Basically, the bigger the numbers the more inconsistent everything becomes with how it's presented in Super. The writers are actively trying to find a place for all the forms now, but that just doesn't work when each form is dozens of magnitudes greater than the last.

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    SSJ=X50

    SSJ2=X100

    SSJ3=X400

    SSJ4=4000-10000

    SSG=30000-40000

    SSB=50000-100000

    SSBKK=matters about X1-20

    UI omen=250000

    MUI= 300000

    SSBE=125000-150000

    SSBeserksr= 500-700

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    @metaljimmor: indeed, the forms kind of break the narrative of the story, though dragon ball was never meant to be a narrative story, at its core it's just a gag manga, in dragon ball super, the so called God ki was not introduced there, in fact, The God ki was present since dragon ball Boo saga, odd though it is true, the thing is that it's not about SSGSS or SSG, the issue is that there is no known conversion between God ki and Ki, par example kiri was introduced in Boo saga as the new scouters and V jump stated that 1 kiri equal 50.000 ki, and that for a planet to be destroyed by a character its kiri would at least have to be 150 kiri, it simplify the power creep of the characters, God ki does not that, and is anonymous and that might be an issue for DBS

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    @scotchbear: Ultra instinct does evidentilly effect the power of the user, though what it does not is effect the ki level of the user,

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    SSJ1 x50 base x1 SSJ

    SSJ2 x100 base x2 SSJ

    SSJ3 x400 base x4 SSJ

    My own opinions and guesses

    SSJ4 x2500 base (stated to be equal to Super Vegito/SSJ x SSJ = SSJ4)

    SSG x2500+ (Stated to be beyond Super Vegito)

    SSB x125,000 (Going SSJ whilst in SSG/ SSG x SSJ = SSB)

    SSBKKx20 x2,500,000 (x20 stronger than SSB)

    SSBE x2,500,000 (As strong if not stronger than SSBKKx20)

    These numbers seem pretty nuts lmao

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    Oozaru 10x

    Kaioken 2-20x

    SSJ 50x

    MSSJ 500x

    SSJ2 1000x

    SSJ3 4000x

    SSJ4 400,000x

    SSG (transformation) 800,000x

    SSB 40,000,000x

    UI 4,000,000,000x

    MUI 40,000,000,000x

    SSG (ritual) 50-100 millionx minimum

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    Oh and I also have SSGSSJ4 at 32,000,000,000x base just under MUI. It’s basically going SSJ4 on top of god just like SSB. Except much more powerful. :)

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    @gokugoat: with your numbers SSBKKX10 goku slaps MUI

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    @ssgssj4_debater: those are the official multipliers, and some are semi official as confirmed more or less just not specific is what i mean

    Pseudo super saiyan = 100 multiply+

    SS1 = 50 multipy

    SS2 = 100 multiply

    SS3 = 400 multiply

    SSG = 300 multiply/collection of 6 saiyans powers SS total power

    SSB = 50 multiply

    SSR = unknown

    Ultra instinct omen = technique of self movement

    SS4 = only official multiply is 500 multiply

    ironically, this means SS4 is still the most powerful form, now imagine it enchanced with god ki, get out of here

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    #24  Edited By SuperSaiyanYuuki

    Oozaru/Wrathful x10 Base

    Super Saiyan x50 Base

    Ascended Super Saiyan x60 Base

    Ultra Super Saiyan x75 Base

    Full Power Super Saiyan x50 Base

    Super Saiyan 2 x100 Base

    Legendary Super Saiyan x200 Base

    Super Sayain 3 x400 Base

    Golden Oozaru x500-x750 Base

    Super Saiyan 4 x4,000 Base

    Ultra Full Power Super Saiyan 4 x6,000 Base

    Super Saiyan God x5,000 Base

    Super Saiyan Blue x25,000 Base

    Kaioken SSBlue x1.5-x20 SSBlue

    Super Saiyan 5 x540,000 Base

    Ultra Instinct Omen x1,000,000,000 Base

    Mastered Ultra instinct x200,000,000,000 Base

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    #25  Edited By Eragale

    Oozaru = x10

    SSJ = x50

    Grade 2 = x55 - x65

    Grade 3 = x70 - x80

    Grade 4 = x85 - x95

    SSJ2 = x100

    SSJ3 = x400

    Golden Oozaru = x500, x1000 or x4000

    • Golden Oozaru is never specified which SSJ it is .. but we see electricity within the Aura. And since Bebi Vegeta 2 is similar/equivalent to a (mutated) SSJ3 Transformation ... and baring in mind that SSJ Bebi Vegeta bested SSJ3 GT Goku ( Bebi Saga ) ... its favoring the x4000.
    • Who knows, it could be higher

    SSJ4 = there's an official guide that states ... " perhaps stronger than SSJ4 " ( comparing SSJ Potara Fusion to SSJ4 ) … so ...

    • In between
      • Above SSJ Potara Fusion-state
      • Below SSJ Potara Fusion-state
        • GT Trunks & GT Goten suggested to use Metamoran Fusion in order to help combat against Golden Oozaru Bebi Vegeta, but SSJ4 GT Goku immediately said it won't work
          • At the End of Z ... Trunks and Goten promised Goku (End of Z) that they will continue to train
          • Despite at the beginning of GT, GT Trunks did get stronger during the space adventure
          • GT Goku knows that Gotenks can still use SSJ3 .. and yet he still immediately stated it won't work against Golden Oozaru Bebi Vegeta .. and then stated that his SSJ4 Transformation will have a better chance
      • with that said, SSJ4 is favoring being above a SSJ Fusion-state
      • There's a Full-Power SSJ4 and an Ultra-Full-Power SSJ4 to go even further than that

    SSG = Ultimately, unknown since there's nothing official, but ...

    • In between
      • Above Base Potara Fusion-state
      • Below Base Potara Fusion-state
        • (1) SSJ3 Vegito is only canon to DBH/SDBH - it did not occur in the DBZ Timeline .. and neither in DBZ Kai. Even if you did include SSJ3 Vegito in your calcs for DBS, the same thing will then be applied to DBGT since Teen Bebi ( let alone SSJ Bebi Goten, SSJ Bebi Gohan and SSJ Bebi Vegeta ) ... was already stated to be stronger than anyone before - that would therefore include SSJ3 Vegito.
          • " Goku knows how strong Base Vegito is .. and Goku also knows how the strong the SSJ3 Multiplier is … so Goku should therefore know how strong SSJ3 Vegito will be, right? "
            • No he will not - that's only an estimation and nothing exact. Being able to detect someone else's ki, is like asking a friend of yours to identify another individual with whom they never met before ; a persons' Ki is basically a way to identify someone else - to know who they are. Such as when Piccolo died against Imperfect Cell, the Z-Fighters knew it was him because that's how he's identified with. In short, its like comparing a transformation to another individual that is unknown in the " eyes of the beholder "- i.e. Goku doesn't know SSJ3 Vegito, but he knows SSJ Vegito.
            • As a result, SSJ3 Vegito should've never been used in calculations to begin with. Even if you did, as mentioned .. it'll basically amount to nothing since BOTH DBGT and DBS will have changes in calcs … both, essentially, " canceling each other out " in the long-run
        • (2) Base Kefla ( which is literally a Base Potara Fusion-state ) .. demolished SSG
          • (a) " Goku was tired. So he couldn't exert most of his Ki against Kefla "
          • (b) Caulifa and Kale are not equivalent to Base DBS Goku/ Base DBS Vegeta. And neither is Cabba . Some people like to think that .. since SSJ Caulifa & "Berserker" Kale gave Cabba trouble .. that this magically puts them in base DBS Goku and base DBS Vegeta's league. It doesn't
          • (c) Caulifa & Kale doing fusion … is very similar to Kid Trunks & Kid Goten doing Fusion to confront Super Buu. I'm not saying they're similar in power, but rather similar in regards to the situation as a whole ( i.e. Kid Trunks nor Kid Goten was not close to Super Buu … the same as Caulifa and Kale not being close to Base DBS Goku ) - i'm just saying that base Kefla defeating SSG Goku should be enough of a clue to conclude that SSG is not stronger than a SSJ3 Fusion-state ... And apparently not stronger than a SSJ Fusion-state too
            • I know - the two individuals' base is very important for this (even though base Goku was casually defeating SSJ Caulifa), but Kid Trunks and Kid Goten was also not close to Super Buu either. We see Kid Trunks & Kid Goten keeping pace with a suppressed Android 18 when they disguised themselves to enter the Adult Division for the World Martial Arts Tournament
          • (d) Vados did state that their … " potential " … probably resulted in a better-than-expected Fusion between Caulifa and Kale. With Champa complimenting that
            • Champa honestly didn't know and was just kissing Vados' arse - pretending as though that was his plan.
            • More importantly … everyone in DB has potential at this point in the story ( such as Kid Trunks & Kid Goten achieving SSJ at an early age ) and Vados's statement honestly has no value since its backed behind multiple writers who couldn't fabricate a consistent story.
              • Such as Whis saying that Caulifa is a " brawler " fighter with no skill … then in a few minutes later, even Whis' observation was changed.
              • and many more inconsistencies, but I won't get into that
    • So despite there not being anything official, its favoring the low-end of being below a Base Potara Fusion-state

    SSB = x50 or x10 of SSG .. via … ( SSB favoring the low-end of a being below a SSJ Potara Fusion-state … but higher than a Base Potara Fusion-state - in between )

    Perfected SSB = 100% of SSB / Struggling to maintain 100% usage of SSB Ki / attempting to negate the drawbacks from SSB.

    • In other words .. there's (ultimately) no difference between Regular SSB and Perfected SSB other than being able to last longer. Despite this, if pressured, the user still needs to try to maintain control and this indirectly means that it still has drawbacks, only .. not as much as before - as shown in his fight with Merged Zamasu

    SSB Kaioken x(…) shouldn't be on this list , but its self-explanatory. It shouldn't be on this list because its a Transformation (SSB) being used simultaneously with a Technique (Kaioken) … and Kaioken is its' own thing

    • " questionable " if its stronger or weaker than Perfected SSB , but we know that Perfected SSB will last longer. Whereas SSB Kaioken will not

    Ultra Instinct (Black Hair) = x2 weaker than SSB Kaioken x10 or SSB Kaioken x20 … but x2 " faster " than SSB Kaioken x10 or SSB Kaioken x20

    • " faster " ... as in .. we know its more so Reaction Timing and not truly speed
    • SSJ2 Kefla literally states that Ultra Instinct Goku's Attacks are wimpy
    • While its " likely " that DBS Goku was using SSB Kaioken x20 against SSJ Kefla … I included the SSB Kaioken x10 just in case
      • " likely " as in .. we know how inconsistent DBS is as whole - and the T.O.P. Saga / Universal Survival Saga is the epitome of that

    True Ultra Instinct = Since its scaled off of Full-Power Jiren … and since we don't know the difference between Suppressed Jiren, Powered-Up Jiren and Full-Power Jiren … its ultimately unknown

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