For the love of God I'm tired of these lowballers saying the earth exploding killed vegeta

1) Frieza survived both namek and earth exploding while in his final form

2) Saiyans can't breathe in space

3) Goku almost drowned so,etching you can't do if you don't need to breathe

4) The magna clearly stated that Goku fought in the Stratosphere.

5) a base form Goku tanked universe shaking punches and he was weaker than vegeta super saiyan blue

Just stop you digging to far.

Inb4 the comic book fanboys complaining about excessive dbz threads

Hahaha

So Superman beats him by sucking the air out of his lungs like he did vs the Elite ???

Lol

DBZ KRYPTONITE DETECTED !!

DBZ is always being low-balled even when the ball is in it`s court. Most like to find the smallest thing and use it as a way to discredit everything else.

@thegrayghost: not making this Goku vs superman but I never understood how he sucked the air out of him when there is no air on the moon.

@thegrayghost: lol goku would one shot him before he gas the chance

Less than 10 posts...

I hope it wasn't because of the planet because that would be terrible.

I think about 95-99.9 percent of people know this.

Those who don't are just trying to lowball

@theman44:

1) Frieza survived both namek and earth exploding while in his final form

That's irrelevant, as DBZ has these kinds of inconsistencies, just call it a low end feat and let it go, there's no need to think about it too much

2) Saiyans can't breathe in space

3) Goku almost drowned so,etching you can't do if you don't need to breathe

4) The magna clearly stated that Goku fought in the Stratosphere.

And? There is no way Vegeta is going to die from suffocation unless he got knocked out

5) a base form Goku tanked universe shaking punches and he was weaker than vegeta super saiyan blue

Except that it was the shock-wave doing all the work not the actual punches, the power of the punches is un-quantifiable imo

Only feeding the haters more :p Honestly no one cares. The people who do are the only ones that matter because they know these facts. Forget about the ones who don't. They are irrelevant.

Lol. :D

@le0nhart:

What do you mean inconsistent. Whis said frieza can breathe in space so he lived.

What part of Saiyans can't breathe in space didn't you get. And what you said made no sense at all, you can suffocate while still conscious dude.

And what? Since when have shockwaves EVER been more powerful than the actual punch

Frieza survived being cut in half. Could Vegeta?

@le0nhart: "the power of the punches is un-quantifiable imo"

You know your opinion makes no sense right? So if the FORCE of Saitamas punch can bust a mountain, does that mean he couldn't if his fist touched the mountain.. cause that's essential for your opinion states?

Power of the punches are unquantifiable?

The Narrator makes it extremely clearhow strong Goku and Beerus are punching each other.

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

Power of the punches are unquantifiable?

The Narrator makes it extremely clearhow strong Goku and Beerus are punching each other.

hyberboles everywhere.

They created artificial atmosphere

@shonen3 said:

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

Power of the punches are unquantifiable?

The Narrator makes it extremely clearhow strong Goku and Beerus are punching each other.

hyberboles everywhere.

It's not a hyperbole when it's coming from an omniscient narrator nonetheless it doesn't contradict anything

InB4 people don't know what concentrated attacks are

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

@shonen3 said:

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

Power of the punches are unquantifiable?

The Narrator makes it extremely clearhow strong Goku and Beerus are punching each other.

hyberboles everywhere.

It's not a hyperbole when it's coming from an omniscient narrator nonetheless it doesn't contradict anything

InB4 people don't know what concentrated attacks are

That's the definition of hyperbole. It is contradicted by the fact that the universe is not actually destroyed, much less the stupid planet they're fighting on.

@avatar_of_green said:

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

@shonen3 said:

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

Power of the punches are unquantifiable?

The Narrator makes it extremely clearhow strong Goku and Beerus are punching each other.

hyberboles everywhere.

It's not a hyperbole when it's coming from an omniscient narrator nonetheless it doesn't contradict anything

InB4 people don't know what concentrated attacks are

That's the definition of hyperbole. It is contradicted by the fact that the universe is not actually destroyed, much less the stupid planet they're fighting on.

InB4 people don't know what concentrated attacks are............

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

@avatar_of_green said:

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

@shonen3 said:

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

Power of the punches are unquantifiable?

The Narrator makes it extremely clearhow strong Goku and Beerus are punching each other.

hyberboles everywhere.

It's not a hyperbole when it's coming from an omniscient narrator nonetheless it doesn't contradict anything

InB4 people don't know what concentrated attacks are

That's the definition of hyperbole. It is contradicted by the fact that the universe is not actually destroyed, much less the stupid planet they're fighting on.

InB4 people don't know what concentrated attacks are............

You're making up a term to defend the hyperboles. That's such a stretch it's unimaginable to me that your judgment could be so clouded.

If you're telling me that it takes a certain amount of power to destroy the universe, and they supplied that via punches but concentrated it into a small point, that proves my point even more so about it being pure hyperbole. The type of localized destruction you would see would be absolutely unimaginable. It would warp space-time itself and break it. That clearly is not happening here, hence people calling it hyperbole.

It does make sense if you read my entire comment, after all the shock-waves are more powerful than the actual punches and they become more powerful with distance

@avatar_of_green said:

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

@avatar_of_green said:

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

@shonen3 said:

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

Power of the punches are unquantifiable?

The Narrator makes it extremely clearhow strong Goku and Beerus are punching each other.

hyberboles everywhere.

It's not a hyperbole when it's coming from an omniscient narrator nonetheless it doesn't contradict anything

InB4 people don't know what concentrated attacks are

That's the definition of hyperbole. It is contradicted by the fact that the universe is not actually destroyed, much less the stupid planet they're fighting on.

InB4 people don't know what concentrated attacks are............

You're making up a term to defend the hyperboles. That's such a stretch it's unimaginable to me that your judgment could be so clouded.

If you're telling me that it takes a certain amount of power to destroy the universe, and they supplied that via punches but concentrated it into a small point, that proves my point even more so about it being pure hyperbole. The type of localized destruction you would see would be absolutely unimaginable. It would warp space-time itself and break it. That clearly is not happening here, hence people calling it hyperbole.

It's not a made up term, why don't ki blast destroy planets concentrated energy.

If you're telling me that it takes a certain amount of power to destroy the universe, and they supplied that via punches but concentrated it into a small point, that proves my point even more so about it being pure hyperbole.

It's not a hyperbole it's concentrated energy

The type of localized destruction you would see would be absolutely unimaginable. It would warp space-time itself and break it. That clearly is not happening here, hence people calling it hyperbole.

None of that would happen since it's concentrated energy it happens all the time in comics

Perfect example of a concentrated attack hits a certain area and the surroundings are fine same with the Flash's IMP Superboy Prime fighting just about everyone,someone one hurting Darkseid without said planet blowing up since Darksied>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>planet.Likewise in marvel comics as well hurting Thanos and the big boys.

They're all Concetrated attacks

@theman44:

What do you mean inconsistent. Whis said frieza can breathe in space so he lived.

If Vegeta died after Frieza blew up the planet. then it's due to the planet blowing up, or him getting knocked out then suffocating, the fact that Frieza survived on Namek or in the ROF movie is irrelevant since DBZ is kinda inconsistent with power scaling, after all Piccolo lost to a guy at Zorbon's level

What part of Saiyans can't breathe in space didn't you get.

What part of that's irrelevant you didn't get?

And what you said made no sense at all, you can suffocate while still conscious dude.

There is nothing stopping Vegeta from holding his breath long enough to reach Whis, go watch how long he stayed under water after fighting Zarbon

And what? Since when have shockwaves EVER been more powerful than the actual punch

We do in Dragon Ball Super

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

Power of the punches are unquantifiable?

The Narrator makes it extremely clearhow strong Goku and Beerus are punching each other.

Yes, they are un-quantifiable.The Narrator doesn't know what he's talking about, he's only repeating what other characters said in the previous episode, after all, he said that Beerus was already fighting at 100% when he wasn't

@le0nhart:

Wow you are one serious lowballer to actually think vegeta only has planet level durability.

Where do we see it in dragonball super. You literally just applied that made up concept to super with nothing to back it up.

SAIYANS NEED AIR TO SURVIVE PERIOD. Goku almost drowned twice as a god for Christ sakes. And the narrator is always an omniscient being no matter what kind of writing it is. Beerus for a time was fighting at full power bit lowered it so the fight wouldn't end.

Secondly you just contradicted yourself. How is vegeta holding his breathe Nader water in DBZ relevant and vegeta not holding his breathe isn't

@le0nhart said:

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

Power of the punches are unquantifiable?

The Narrator makes it extremely clearhow strong Goku and Beerus are punching each other.

Yes, they are un-quantifiable.The Narrator doesn't know what he's talking about, he's only repeating what other characters said in the previous episode, after all, he said that Beerus was already fighting at 100% when he wasn't

The narrator doesn't know what he's talking about?....................

That's episode 13 episode 14 ending is when Beerus said he wasn't using his full power

The narrator isn't going to give away information that spoils everything. Try again.

@jloneblackheart: completely different scenario.

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

@le0nhart said:

@l3g3ndarypheonix said:

Power of the punches are unquantifiable?

The Narrator makes it extremely clearhow strong Goku and Beerus are punching each other.

Yes, they are un-quantifiable.The Narrator doesn't know what he's talking about, he's only repeating what other characters said in the previous episode, after all, he said that Beerus was already fighting at 100% when he wasn't

The narrator doesn't know what he's talking about?....................

Yeah, he only repeats what other characters say in the previous episode

That's episode 13 episode 14 ending is when Beerus said he wasn't using his full power

And? How is that related to what i said?

The narrator isn't going to give away information that spoils everything. Try again.

You said that the narrator knows everything, the snapshot i posted above disproves that, end of story find yourself another argument

@midnightdragon18: Not really. Frieza has greater durability than a Saiyan. The faulty logic of power levels makes everyone think a greater power level equals a greater stat (in this case, durability). Just because Frieza can survive a planetary explosion does not mean Vegeta can.

If anything, Resurrection F proved how low a Saiyans durability is.

@theman44:

Wow you are one serious lowballer to actually think vegeta only has planet level durability.

Actually dying from a planet blowing up gives you a durability that is way below planet level, nonetheless, i already made it clear that i consider the whole Vegeta dying thing a PIS, therefore there is no need to come up with silly explanations on how Vegeta died (assuming that he actually died)

Where do we see it in dragonball super. You literally just applied that made up concept to super with nothing to back it up.

Read (Herms Fact checker)

SAIYANS NEED AIR TO SURVIVE PERIOD. Goku almost drowned twice as a god for Christ sakes.

And? i already know that, it doesn't mean that Saiyans can't hold their breath for a few seconds or that they will die instantly

And the narrator is always an omniscient being no matter what kind of writing it is.

Not in DBZ, the narrator simply retells what other characters said

Beerus for a time was fighting at full power bit lowered it so the fight wouldn't end.

You totally made that up

Secondly you just contradicted yourself. How is vegeta holding his breathe Nader water in DBZ relevant and vegeta not holding his breathe isn't

I fail to see a contradiction, you are claiming that when a Saiyan loses access to oxygen, they die instantly, i disproved that already using the Vegeta Vs Zarbon fight

Not really. Frieza has greater durability than a Saiyan.

Who would receive more damage from a punch/blast by SSJ2 Gohan, SSB Vegeta or Namek Saga Frieza?

The faulty logic of power levels makes everyone think a greater power level equals a greater stat (in this case, durability).

Durability depends on Ki though

Just because Frieza can survive a planetary explosion does not mean Vegeta can.

That depends on plot IMO

@le0nhart: But durability doesn't necessarily depend on ki. While they do use ki defensively, and the amount of ki you have will dictate what type of attack you can defend, it doesn't change the physical characteristics of a species. Whis even says it all right in your scan.

If SSJ2 Gohan hit both, Vegeta would be unscathed because he has greater ki to defend. Both with guard down? Vegeta dies but I'd bet Frieza could survive (although I doubt he'd be getting up and would most likely require healing).

I still dislike the laser thing in RoF. Goku was not depleted of ki, nor was his guard completely down. Very bad showing regarding his durability as well as speed and senses.

You don't breath in space people.

Whis states Frieza's species can survive in a vacuum.

Start at 7:40

@jloneblackheart: then how come trunks sliced up frieza, but not goku ?

Edit- I read the post wrong lol

@midnightdragon18: Because Trunks had a greater ki than Frieza, but not greater than Goku. Trunks was faster too and caught Frieza by surprise. Personally, I've always wondered what that sword was made of...

See my post above. Goku (and everyone else) use ki for defense.

@jloneblackheart said:

That's weird though because androids don't have ki.

Android 18 was able to break the sword.

Vegeta and goku tank a planet+ (probably more than that) attack in base form without ki and this was a part of Whis training. This was the same attack that it took a full powered ssg kamehameha to stop. Now if things don't change in the upcoming freeza episodes. They stop at star level durability when in base and no ki since at that point in the story they have been training with whis for longer. It was stated that they would have been likely killed by beerus star busting ki blast back in the ROF manga, while in base and no ki.

@never_give_up: Add it to the inconsistency pile

@juzacloud: I have not watched episode 18 yet.

@jloneblackheart: it actually states that androids use a different type of energy, as stated by piccolo when fighting gero. scratch that

Also, why can't androids have better durability than freeza without ki? And why do you just immediately "throw it in the pile of inconsistency" without any proper research?

Its seems like you just lack understanding to me. With an easy to understand series.

A puny ring laser nearly killed Goku when he was caught off guard.

Vegeta was caught off guard...but you say an exploding planet couldn't kill him? Lol. Right. Done here.

they were just caught off guard in episode 18 by a planet+ attack in base form and tanked it.

@juzacloud: I havnt seen it yet, I'll get right on it. Forgot DBS was a thing.

@juzacloud: Ok, I take it you're referring to Beerus. Although they were suprised, it's not quite the same as Vegeta's supposed death. When they were struck by Beerus, they were actively engaged in their task, fully prepared to react when given a chance. When Whis teleported them into Beerus's blast, they were still holding the weights that took an immense amount of effort to hold. In other words, in both instances it would completely make sense their ki would be up, or in the former at least some level of preparation.

When Goku got shot, we are led to believe that his downfall ties in to Whus's earlier point and his ki was in fact lowered. In Vegeta's case, he was literally in the process of finishing Freeza when Freeza nuked the Earth and...Vegeta stopped completely. Why, Idk, but if anything that's the PIS, not the fact it killed him. He could have just blasted him but instead he openly did something completely out of character and just...shut down lol. However, given Whis is stupid ftl and Vegeta was basically just a few meters in front of them, there's no reason at all he couldn't be saved, but they immediately start referring to him as if he were dead. He didn't suffocate in like 5 seconds, the only thing that could have possibly killed him that fast was the blast.

@juzacloud: Its possible they do have greater durability than Frieza. Don't talk to me about understanding or "proper research." I see all of your posts. And if the series is so easy to understand, why can't fans of the series even agree?

@juzacloud:

1 - That seemed like a gag scene

2 - There is no solid proof how much Ki Beerus used in that attack

3 - We have no idea how much Ki Goku was using

4 - Until Sorbet's energy beam gets rewritten, current Goku without Ki is not very durable