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    Concept » Dragon Ball Universe appears in 184 issues.

    The shared universe between some of the works of Akira Toriyama such as Dragonball, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Dr Slump, Neko Majin, and other one shot mangas.

    Super Gogeta vs Buuhan revisited

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    I had seen this fight many times, with people -- to my surprise -- vastly placing Buuhan over Super Gogeta.

    Now that Gogeta is canon -- and we have seen what he can do (proficient in obliteration of enemies) -- I would like to hear everybody´s thoughts on how this fight would play out, considering that Vegetto beat Buuhan effortlessly.

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    why the hell would some1 think buuhan > super gogeta even before the movie came out?

    ppl realy actualy believe potara is stronger than dance fusion.

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    Some people interpret this because Boo said "Even if they did fuse, they'd still be no match for me." Boo at this point had the knowledge of Piccolo and Gotenks, so people figure he would know exactly how strong a Goku Vegeta fusion would be.

    Obviously there's a lot of problems with this. First of all is the fact that not once has anybody been able to successfully predict the power of a fusion. There is no mathematical equation which told Boo the exact power level of Gogeta. He was basically taking an educated guess. Using knowledge from people who literally already tried guessing the power of a fusion and were shown to be wrong.

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    @arthur_morgan:

    ppl realy actualy believe potara is stronger than dance fusion.

    What's wrong with that? Daizenshuu did say Potara was greater.

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    #5  Edited By Shintoki

    @karkus said:

    @arthur_morgan:

    ppl realy actualy believe potara is stronger than dance fusion.

    What's wrong with that? Daizenshuu did say Potara was greater.

    GREATER but not STRONGER

    potara multiply by tens while dance be dozens

    ideally, Dance > potara

    but no fight is ideal tbf so potara takes the edge for having no power must be close conditions therefore better and plus, the extra multiplies are just 8x more so it would be barely notiecable if say, got max multiply but had to power down for your partner so potara is sorta better

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    #6  Edited By Karkus

    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:

    @arthur_morgan:

    ppl realy actualy believe potara is stronger than dance fusion.

    What's wrong with that? Daizenshuu did say Potara was greater.

    GREATER but not STRONGER

    potara multiply by tens while dance be dozens

    ideally, Dance > potara

    but no fight is ideal tbf so potara takes the edge for having no power must be close conditions therefore better and plus, the extra multiplies are just 8x more so it would be barely notiecable if say, got max multiply but had to power down for your partner so potara is sorta better

    It was said that the power was greater in the Daizenshuu. Dance being dozens was GT only also.

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    #7  Edited By Shintoki

    @karkus said:
    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:

    @arthur_morgan:

    ppl realy actualy believe potara is stronger than dance fusion.

    What's wrong with that? Daizenshuu did say Potara was greater.

    GREATER but not STRONGER

    potara multiply by tens while dance be dozens

    ideally, Dance > potara

    but no fight is ideal tbf so potara takes the edge for having no power must be close conditions therefore better and plus, the extra multiplies are just 8x more so it would be barely notiecable if say, got max multiply but had to power down for your partner so potara is sorta better

    It was said to be stronger in Daizenshuu. Dance being dozens was GT only also.

    dunno about that pal

    Unifying the spirits of the two strongest rivals and merging them together, Fusion has better balance and is able to draw their power out to the max!! Therefore, if it is a short match of thirty minutes or less, then Gogeta should win, while if it is a long battle, then Vegetto should win!!

    if they had the same multiplying set (tens) then neither would be stronger at max.

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    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:
    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:

    @arthur_morgan:

    ppl realy actualy believe potara is stronger than dance fusion.

    What's wrong with that? Daizenshuu did say Potara was greater.

    GREATER but not STRONGER

    potara multiply by tens while dance be dozens

    ideally, Dance > potara

    but no fight is ideal tbf so potara takes the edge for having no power must be close conditions therefore better and plus, the extra multiplies are just 8x more so it would be barely notiecable if say, got max multiply but had to power down for your partner so potara is sorta better

    It was said to be stronger in Daizenshuu. Dance being dozens was GT only also.

    dunno about that pal

    Unifying the spirits of the two strongest rivals and merging them together, Fusion has better balance and is able to draw their power out to the max!! Therefore, if it is a short match of thirty minutes or less, then Gogeta should win, while if it is a long battle, then Vegetto should win!!

    if they had the same multiplying set (tens) then neither would be stronger at max.

    I'm not talking about the Jump statement, I'm talking about the Daizenshuu statement, which says this.

    To use them, the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion.

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    @karkus said:
    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:
    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:

    @arthur_morgan:

    ppl realy actualy believe potara is stronger than dance fusion.

    What's wrong with that? Daizenshuu did say Potara was greater.

    GREATER but not STRONGER

    potara multiply by tens while dance be dozens

    ideally, Dance > potara

    but no fight is ideal tbf so potara takes the edge for having no power must be close conditions therefore better and plus, the extra multiplies are just 8x more so it would be barely notiecable if say, got max multiply but had to power down for your partner so potara is sorta better

    It was said to be stronger in Daizenshuu. Dance being dozens was GT only also.

    dunno about that pal

    Unifying the spirits of the two strongest rivals and merging them together, Fusion has better balance and is able to draw their power out to the max!! Therefore, if it is a short match of thirty minutes or less, then Gogeta should win, while if it is a long battle, then Vegetto should win!!

    if they had the same multiplying set (tens) then neither would be stronger at max.

    I'm not talking about the Jump statement, I'm talking about the Daizenshuu statement, which says this.

    To use them, the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion.

    keyword: Greater BUT not stronger

    A (100 PL) + B (100 PL) x 90 Max Multplier for potara = AB (19 800 PL)

    if they have the same boost then neither would win in an ideal fight. still stands by dance being stronger but inferior

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    Gogeta treats Buu like he did Janemba

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    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:
    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:
    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:

    @arthur_morgan:

    ppl realy actualy believe potara is stronger than dance fusion.

    What's wrong with that? Daizenshuu did say Potara was greater.

    GREATER but not STRONGER

    potara multiply by tens while dance be dozens

    ideally, Dance > potara

    but no fight is ideal tbf so potara takes the edge for having no power must be close conditions therefore better and plus, the extra multiplies are just 8x more so it would be barely notiecable if say, got max multiply but had to power down for your partner so potara is sorta better

    It was said to be stronger in Daizenshuu. Dance being dozens was GT only also.

    dunno about that pal

    Unifying the spirits of the two strongest rivals and merging them together, Fusion has better balance and is able to draw their power out to the max!! Therefore, if it is a short match of thirty minutes or less, then Gogeta should win, while if it is a long battle, then Vegetto should win!!

    if they had the same multiplying set (tens) then neither would be stronger at max.

    I'm not talking about the Jump statement, I'm talking about the Daizenshuu statement, which says this.

    To use them, the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion.

    keyword: Greater BUT not stronger

    A (100 PL) + B (100 PL) x 90 Max Multplier for potara = AB (19 800 PL)

    if they have the same boost then neither would win in an ideal fight. still stands by dance being stronger but inferior

    If the power is greater, then that means it's stronger. The idea of Fusion Dance being equal to Potara wasn't until years after that Daizenshuu statement. You can argue it was retconned, but that statement very clearly means that during that time period that Potara gave greater power than fusion, and was therefore stronger.

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    @karkus said:
    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:
    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:
    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:

    @arthur_morgan:

    ppl realy actualy believe potara is stronger than dance fusion.

    What's wrong with that? Daizenshuu did say Potara was greater.

    GREATER but not STRONGER

    potara multiply by tens while dance be dozens

    ideally, Dance > potara

    but no fight is ideal tbf so potara takes the edge for having no power must be close conditions therefore better and plus, the extra multiplies are just 8x more so it would be barely notiecable if say, got max multiply but had to power down for your partner so potara is sorta better

    It was said to be stronger in Daizenshuu. Dance being dozens was GT only also.

    dunno about that pal

    Unifying the spirits of the two strongest rivals and merging them together, Fusion has better balance and is able to draw their power out to the max!! Therefore, if it is a short match of thirty minutes or less, then Gogeta should win, while if it is a long battle, then Vegetto should win!!

    if they had the same multiplying set (tens) then neither would be stronger at max.

    I'm not talking about the Jump statement, I'm talking about the Daizenshuu statement, which says this.

    To use them, the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion.

    keyword: Greater BUT not stronger

    A (100 PL) + B (100 PL) x 90 Max Multplier for potara = AB (19 800 PL)

    if they have the same boost then neither would win in an ideal fight. still stands by dance being stronger but inferior

    If the power is greater, then that means it's stronger. The idea of Fusion Dance being equal to Potara wasn't until years after that Daizenshuu statement. You can argue it was retconned, but that statement very clearly means that during that time period that Potara gave greater power than fusion, and was therefore stronger.

    strength =/= power. so not necessarily

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    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:
    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:
    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:
    @shintoki said:
    @karkus said:

    @arthur_morgan:

    ppl realy actualy believe potara is stronger than dance fusion.

    What's wrong with that? Daizenshuu did say Potara was greater.

    GREATER but not STRONGER

    potara multiply by tens while dance be dozens

    ideally, Dance > potara

    but no fight is ideal tbf so potara takes the edge for having no power must be close conditions therefore better and plus, the extra multiplies are just 8x more so it would be barely notiecable if say, got max multiply but had to power down for your partner so potara is sorta better

    It was said to be stronger in Daizenshuu. Dance being dozens was GT only also.

    dunno about that pal

    Unifying the spirits of the two strongest rivals and merging them together, Fusion has better balance and is able to draw their power out to the max!! Therefore, if it is a short match of thirty minutes or less, then Gogeta should win, while if it is a long battle, then Vegetto should win!!

    if they had the same multiplying set (tens) then neither would be stronger at max.

    I'm not talking about the Jump statement, I'm talking about the Daizenshuu statement, which says this.

    To use them, the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion.

    keyword: Greater BUT not stronger

    A (100 PL) + B (100 PL) x 90 Max Multplier for potara = AB (19 800 PL)

    if they have the same boost then neither would win in an ideal fight. still stands by dance being stronger but inferior

    If the power is greater, then that means it's stronger. The idea of Fusion Dance being equal to Potara wasn't until years after that Daizenshuu statement. You can argue it was retconned, but that statement very clearly means that during that time period that Potara gave greater power than fusion, and was therefore stronger.

    strength =/= power. so not necessarily

    What's the difference between strength and power?

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    #14  Edited By Eragale

    Janemba Vs. Buuhan ( should be Janemba )

    • therefore SSJ Gogeta > SSJ Vegetto

    Elder Kai's Statement states that Potara Fusion better than Fusion Dance

    • Retconned Time Limit
    • Questionable V-Jump Article claiming / stating that Potara Fusion = Fusion Dance
      • this then leads to questioning how much stronger iis Goku & Vegeta from Janemba Movie Vs. Buu Saga ( unless there's no difference )
    • therefore .. SSJ Vegeto > SSJ Gogeta ( likely )

    take you pick, i guess

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    Gogeta wins easily.

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    Stardust breaker GG.

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    people put 2 much stock in what a villian says about power.

    the potara is only greater than the dance when the 2 people fusing have unequal power levels. otherwise the effect is the exact same on both. since goku and vegeta were more than less equals (in the same forms) in the boo saga after vegeta got controlled by baby both fusions will yield the same results. We know ssj3 goku wouldn't fuse with ssj2 vegeta using either method

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    people put 2 much stock in what a villian says about power.

    the potara is only greater than the dance when the 2 people fusing have unequal power levels. otherwise the effect is the exact same on both. since goku and vegeta were more than less equals (in the same forms) in the boo saga after vegeta got controlled by baby both fusions will yield the same results. We know ssj3 goku wouldn't fuse with ssj2 vegeta using either method

    originally, fusing in a powered up form would be deadly to the users, so......

    there is also the thing about dance multiplying by dozens but a lot of people are bashing for being a GT info, even though there is a DBZ vs battle info by jump backing this statement

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    #19  Edited By hudyman

    I legitimately can't believe this thread is a thing. I've said it before and I'll say it again; this fanbase can be embarrassing sometimes.

    There is NO significant difference in power between Vegito and Gogeta. When info stated that Potara fusions were "greater" it merely meant by a tiny margin that would be barely noticeable.

    It's like comparing Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates in terms of Networth.

    Jeff Bezos may have more money but they are so rich that it doesn't matter.

    Gogeta is still as strong as Vegito just slightly lower; he'd still humiliate Buuhan.

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    #20  Edited By Shintoki

    @hudyman said:

    I legitimately can't believe this thread is a thing. I've said it before and I'll say it again; this fanbase can be embarrassing sometimes.

    There is NO significant difference in power between Vegito and Gogeta. When info stated that Potara fusions were "greater" it merely meant by a tiny margin that would be barely noticeable.

    It's like comparing Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates in terms of Networth.

    Jeff Bezos may have more money but they are so rich that it doesn't matter.

    Gogeta is still as strong as Vegito just slightly lower; he'd still humiliate Buuhan.

    if they both multiply by tens. then yeah

    if dance multiply by dozens then nope. pick your one i guess

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    #21  Edited By Jooosh1996

    @shintoki: Originally the Potara was stronger than the Dance (Stated by Old Kai & in the Daizenshuu) Also bear in mind that the Dance required two people with identical power levels to otherwise it would not work. Yet the Potara would merge any two beings together regardless of their strength. The potara was also superior due to being a permanent fusion unlike the Dance.

    Obviously this was all retconned, Potara is no longer permanent and more recently it has been confirmed Vegito and Gogeta are equally matched in terms of power. So the only superiority Potara has over the Dance is the extra 30 minutes time limit.

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    @shintoki: Originally the Potara was stronger than the Dance (Stated by Old Kai & in the Daizenshuu) Also bear in mind that the Dance required two people with identical power levels to otherwise it would not work. Yet the Potara would merge any two beings together regardless of their strength. The potara was also superior due to being a permanent fusion unlike the Dance.

    Obviously this was all retconned, Potara is no longer permanent and more recently it has been confirmed Vegito and Gogeta are equally matched in terms of power. So the only superiority Potara has over the Dance is the extra 30 minutes time limit.

    does dance time limit get shorten as well if the users are too strong?

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    Fusion Reborn SSJ Gogeta gets shit-stomped. In fact, even base Super Buu is enough to win easily.

    Broly SSJ Gogeta one-shots Buuhan.

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    Fusion Reborn SSJ Gogeta gets shit-stomped. In fact, even base Super Buu is enough to win easily.

    Broly SSJ Gogeta one-shots Buuhan.

    How does fusion reborn gogeta get shit stomped? IIRC goku just by powering up to SSJ3 was shaking hell all the way up to grand kais planet. And when gogeta first fused they literally lit up the entire universe.

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    #25  Edited By noobsnowman

    @standardized: Both of your statements are false.

    Because SSJ Gogeta can't stand up to SSJ3 Gotenks/Super Buu, he is simply way below base Super Buu's level of power, so Ultimate Gohan's strength isn't needed here. Goku knew perfectly well that without the Potara, even base Super Buu would be far too strong for him and Vegeta to handle - and he has knowledge of the Fusion Dance.

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    @standardized: Both of your statements are false.

    Because SSJ Gogeta can't stand up to SSJ3 Gotenks/Super Buu, he is simply way below base Super Buu's level of power. Goku knew perfectly well that without the Potara, even base Super Buu would be far too strong for him and Vegeta to handle - and he has knowledge of the Fusion Dance.

    How are they false?

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    Heres goku shaking hell all the way up to grand kais planet.

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    Skip to 1.10 gogeta just going ssj lit up the entire universe.

    Super gogeta hits buuhan with stardust breaker GG

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    @standardized: All you did was post youtube videos of stuff that did not match your claims, lmfao. Not to mention providing zero reasons why Gogeta would win.

    If Gogeta tries that move it would do zero damage to Buuhan and he gets one-shot afterwards, sorry buddy.

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    #28  Edited By Standardized

    @noobsnowman said:

    @standardized: All you did was post youtube videos of stuff that did not match your claims, lmfao. Not to mention providing zero reasons why Gogeta would win.

    If Gogeta tries that move it would do zero damage to Buuhan and he gets one-shot afterwards, sorry buddy.

    It didn't match my claims...? Can you read my guy? My original claim was that SSJ3 goku just powering up was shaking hell all the way up to grand kais planet which if you actually watched the video you'd see that.

    Anyways Gogeta blitzes with stardust breaker destroying buu and saving gohan.

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    #29  Edited By noobsnowman

    @standardized: Thought you said King Kai's planet. But still, so what if Goku powered up and it can be felt from another planet? Dosen't change the fact that Goku outright admitted inferiority to base Super Buu, and isn't that much superior to Fat Buu.

    Your opinion is irrelevant until you have a legitimate reason, but then again most of the DB fans can't do that anyways without letting their emotion get in the way.

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    @standardized: Thought you said King Kai's planet. But still, so what if Goku powered up and it can be felt from another planet? Dosen't change the fact that Goku outright admitted inferiority to base Super Buu, and isn't that much superior to Fat Buu.

    Your opinion is irrelevant until you have a legitimate reason, but then again most of the DB fans can't do that anyways without letting their emotion get in the way.

    Wow you do realize i'm talking about fusion reborn goku? This isn't the same goku from z.

    The afterlife in db is the size of the universe and goku shook it.

    Gogeta >>>> SSJ3 goku.

    Gogeta legit blitzes and one shots with stardust breaker destroying the evil within buu.

    This isn't my opinion this is facts.

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    @standardized:

    You can't possibly talk about facts when your first statement is already wrong. Based on what did Fusion reborn Goku is stronger than Z Goku?

    And based on what is the afterlife in DB the size of the universe? You do realise that universe shaking feats are GoD level, right?

    Not to mention making absolutely no attempt to address what Goku said and his feats against Fat Buu. Now that is facts. And somehow concluding that Gogeta would speedblitz Buuhan without making any attempt to compare them directly. That is a typical DB debater who obviously has no clue how to debate properly, and why the mods have to restrict DB discussions.

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    @standardized:

    You can't possibly talk about facts when your first statement is already wrong. Based on what did Fusion reborn Goku is stronger than Z Goku?

    And based on what is the afterlife in DB the size of the universe? You do realise that universe shaking feats are GoD level, right?

    Not to mention making absolutely no attempt to address what Goku said and his feats against Fat Buu. Now that is facts. And somehow concluding that Gogeta would speedblitz Buuhan without making any attempt to compare them directly. That is a typical DB debater who obviously has no clue how to debate properly, and why the mods have to restrict DB discussions.

    All dbz movies are non canon and take place in different timelines. You really don't know much about db do you?

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    Based on this official map that was released. And yes I do know that universe shaking is a god level feat that just goes to show you how op movie characters are.

    What main z goku said against buu is irrelevant unless you wanna show z goku shaking an entire universe just by powering up?

    Gogeta lighting up the universe just from going ssj is better than anything buuhan ever did.

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    #34  Edited By KeyFirstnaten

    The effect of the Potara is greater than Fusion because it lasts longer. That's what it does.

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    @keyfirstnaten: Daizsnshuu also said the power after using Potara is greater than Fusion. You can argue now it's retconned, but when the Daizenshuu came out, Potara was intended to be superior.

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    @karkus said:

    @keyfirstnaten: Daizsnshuu also said the power after using Potara is greater than Fusion. You can argue now it's retconned, but when the Daizenshuu came out, Potara was intended to be superior.

    Post the statement.

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    #37  Edited By Karkus

    @keyfirstnaten said:
    @karkus said:

    @keyfirstnaten: Daizsnshuu also said the power after using Potara is greater than Fusion. You can argue now it's retconned, but when the Daizenshuu came out, Potara was intended to be superior.

    Post the statement.

    To use them, the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion.

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    Featwise Gogeta stomps . Only in super saiyan , he was much stronger than either Goku or Vegeta were in their SSB forms !

    You know what that means ? If Goku turned SSB in buu saga , then his power would still be lower than if he fused into Gogeta and turned into a regular SSJ . This power is even greater the Vegito's multiplier , which was lower than SSG's for Goku not to consider it to fight Beerus .

    At the very least , going by the new information , Gogeta is at least as strong as Vegito , if not more . This owes to the greater balance of that fusion . Gogeta would wreck Buuhan harder than Vegito did . The guy has likely higher power , and he feels much bloodlusted than Vegito .

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