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    Dragon Ball Universe

    Concept » Dragon Ball Universe appears in 184 issues.

    The shared universe between some of the works of Akira Toriyama such as Dragonball, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Dr Slump, Neko Majin, and other one shot mangas.

    speed of light confirmed in dragon ball before of dbs.

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    According to databooks and official sources characters move at the speed of light since the beginning of dragon ball they kept evolving to the point that moving faster than light is nothing to them. The characters not only use light to disorient their enemies but also use it as a lethal weapon precisely because light-based attacks are so fast that they make attacks almost impossible to dodge.

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    Goku vs Tenshinhan chapter 178.

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    Dragon Ball Super: Broly” Theatrical Program Tatsuya Nagamine Interview

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    Dragon Ball: Adventure Special interview

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    Akira Toriyama Dragon Ball Tankōbon interview

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    Dragon Ball Forever Databook:

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    El manga Legendario Dragon Ball

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    Dragon Ball Kai Official Website

    https://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_kai_2009/episode/list/

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    As you can see several official sources describe the character's energy beams as literally beams of light that are so fast that they could be used either to destroy their opponents, or to destroy planets as well as the characters can use the light for other purposes. As you can see the moon was indeed destroyed by Roshi and Akira confirmed this, as well as the distance from the moon to earth is the same as our universe, which implies many things that the characters' energy beams are not only fast, but the characters are also able to avoid them and even block these destructive beams.

    Now you must be wondering what are Light Bullets really about?

    In fiction it is known as a sub-power of light manipulation where the light is used as a weapon and several characters use the light both as destructive lasers and as a way to increase their agility, we have several examples of powerful characters like Carol Danvers, Monica Rambeau, Sentry,Kizaru... I just wanted to point out that although the dragon ball characters have a preference to use light in their attacks as lasers, in reality this is only a projection of the Ki, since the characters can use Ki to project elements, use psychic powers, create ghosts... and do you know what Akira said about Ki? He said that Ki is invisible, which means again that Ki is used as a fuel and doesn't really have a true form and it is the user who will define in what way he will use the Ki.

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    Now what are Light Bullets in science? And how fast are they in real life?

    Light bullets are the quanta of the electromagnetic (EM) field and are known as photons.

    The Light as an electromagnetic pulse is considered a weapon of mass destruction.

    An EMP can span a continent-sized area, and can affect systems on air, land and in water.

    An EMP lasts for only 1 nanosecond.

    An EMP radiates at 50 km/v, which is at the speed of light.

    Curiosity there is a study on Light Bullets to discover we can control the speed of light.

    In their previous study (Scientific Reports, DOI: 10.1038/s41598-020-68478-1), this group found that by deforming the pulse-front of optical pulses and keeping the phase-front unchanged, the velocity and the acceleration of the generated flying Bessel-Gaussian (diffraction- and dispersion-free) light bullets can be controlled.

    "However, the problem is that only one determined motion form, for example, superluminal or subluminal for velocity and accelerating or decelerating for acceleration, can be achieved in a single propagation path," explains corresponding author Zhaoyang Li.

    In this newly improved method, by using the combination of a deformable mirror and a spatial light modulator, the pulse-front of optical pulses can be arbitrarily deformed, which results in light bullets with arbitrarily-variable velocities (and accelerations) during a single propagation path; e.g., subluminal followed by superluminal and/or accelerating followed by decelerating.

    "This non-diffraction light bullet with nearly-programmable flying velocities may bring new opportunities in a wide range of applications, such as free-space communication, bio-imaging, optical detection and processing, particle acceleration and manipulation, radiation generation, among others,"

    Sources:

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/12/201214090147.htm

    https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/extreme-battle-collection-round-02-toriyama-qa/

    https://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_kai_2009/episode/list/

    https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dbs-broly-theatrical-program-tatsuya-nagamine/?fbclid=IwAR3kDCCN-MTLX8MQr5a50vWWJsCwm-7hAM0jFldIE0gcaHpEJkKYEX1kqR0.

    https://www.kanzenshuu.com/manga/tankobon/vol-09/.

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    https://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/chara/chapter4/no11.html

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    "It lookedlike there was a flash of light"

    We all know it was a ki beam, not a light beam.

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    @absol123 said:

    "It lookedlike there was a flash of light"

    We all know it was a ki beam, not a light beam.

    Exactly. Context.

    Characters who's ftl:
    Jiren
    Dyspo
    Angels (via warp techniques)
    Any instant transmission user.

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    moon feat is 0,33 speed of light

    kaioken x 3 = 0,99 speed of light

    kaioken x 4 = 1,32 speed of light

    Theres nothing wrong with simple scaling boooys

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    @absol123 said:

    "It lookedlike there was a flash of light"

    We all know it was a ki beam, not a light beam.

    Exactly. Context.

    Characters who's ftl:

    Jiren

    Dyspo

    Angels (via warp techniques)

    Any instant transmission user.

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    gotta love db wankers.

    such pure souls

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    #6  Edited By NarutoSolosDBS

    doyou mean travel speed or combat speed?

    travel speed: maybe FTL @ Buu Saga

    combat speed: vegeta saga

    travel speed is usually slower, 99% of shounens are like that: its a energy & plot thing and sometimes they want to sell toys (spaceships etc)

    combat speed ala short burst and reaction time? take any DB feat and use kaioken (we do know its linear).

    maybe it's also because toriyama was/is a boxing fan which would explain the shity lifting/travel speed. combat athletes in general have trash lifting strength and embarrassing "travel speed" but their short bursts/reaction speed is elite.

    Dragonballs main target are 3 year old kids but its still funny that Dragonball is way more realistic than most fictional works whos main target are 14+ .. XD

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    #7  Edited By RDCDesmond

    Piccolo in beginning of z speed feat was Rel speed around 30-35% SoL

    So someone a little over 3 x piccolo would already be baseline for LS.

    Considering late Saiyan saga - namek - Frieza are multiple times higher than that Piccolo you can get FTL + - MFTL by Namek - Frieza Arc by pure upscaling.

    And the gang even has a speed reaction feat in beginning of Ginyu saga of reacting to Ginyu Force spaceships before they reach Namek which can travel to other star systems in days, since they should be based off Goku spaceship speed.

    I don’t however agree with the early incarnations being LS in DB part 1. Staff officer black laser isn’t light speed laser speed it’s more so treated as a laser gun like the Frieza soldiers carry. And the databook stating light energy doesn’t mean real light but the light ki aura gives off. Ki for some reason is referred to as light in the spanish databook there.

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    @rdcdesmond:

    "Piccolo in beginning of z speed feat was Rel speed around 30-35% SoL"

    woah there!! this is not true at all.

    boz picollo is comparable to goku in speed. the same goku cannonically has a travel speed of about 90m/s due to travelling the snake way in 6 months.

    "Considering late Saiyan saga - namek - Frieza are multiple times higher than that Piccolo you can get FTL + - MFTL "

    woah there. not true again.

    considering goku after training with kaio sama cannonically has a travel speed of mach 40.

    that same goku was able to statue nappa, vegeta multiple times, and on multiple different occasions.

    the rest of your argument is scaling from that making it also incorrect

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    A mach 40 goku blitzing nappa and vegeta

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    #10  Edited By RDCDesmond

    @saboyaba:

    @saboyaba said:

    @rdcdesmond:

    "Piccolo in beginning of z speed feat was Rel speed around 30-35% SoL"

    woah there!! this is not true at all.

    boz picollo is comparable to goku in speed. the same goku cannonically has a travel speed of about 90m/s due to travelling the snake way in 6 months.

    "Considering late Saiyan saga - namek - Frieza are multiple times higher than that Piccolo you can get FTL + - MFTL "

    woah there. not true again.

    considering goku after training with kaio sama cannonically has a travel speed of mach 40.

    that same goku was able to statue nappa, vegeta multiple times, and on multiple different occasions.

    the rest of your argument is scaling from that making it also incorrect

    Bro travel speed = / reaction speed

    Their flying speed isn’t as fast as their ki beams speed

    But the short exchanges and movement of their bodies in quick instances are as fast as those beams and is considered reaction speed not travel speed. It can only be travel speed if the ladder is dashing to a long distance location nothing to do with the actual fight.

    Piccolo destructive wave can reach moon in around 3-4 seconds. And someone faster than him can dodge the beam in close range. But piccolo can’t fly to the moon in 4 seconds like in a long range point a to point b that wouldnt even be considered reaction / combat speed anymore it would turn into travel speed with a clear checkpoint / destination in mind.

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    @rdcdesmond:

    Bro travel speed = / reaction speed

    The problem with that is we don't have any concrete idea of their actual reaction speed, that's why I defer to travel speed

    But the short exchanges and movement of their bodies in quick instances are as fast as those beams and is considered reaction speed not travel speed. It can only be travel speed if the ladder is dashing to a long distance location nothing to do with the actual fight.

    As fast as which beams?

    Piccolo destructive wave can reach moon in around 3-4 seconds

    1) Do you have any basis for that number?

    2) Evidence suggests the db moon is actually closer to earth than our moon. if this is true, it would invalidate any calc based on the distance

    And someone faster than him can dodge the beam in close range.

    Well, that depends on the distance the person need to dodge. You can still dodge with much lower speeds than the attack if you only need to move a lower distance than the distance between you and the source of the attack.

    But piccolo can’t fly to the moon in 4 seconds like in a long range point a to point b that wouldnt even be considered reaction / combat speed anymore it would turn into travel speed with a clear checkpoint / destination in mind.

    I agree

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    #12  Edited By RDCDesmond

    @saboyaba: If you agree what was point tagging me. Obviously you did not know difference between travel speed and combat / reaction speed if so why even make a big deal about snakeway traveling feat thinking it is a combat applicable mark. It is only a travel speed feat for him Which has nothing to do with his reaction / combat speed which is far higher than his travel speed.

    Short distances and body movements only pertain to reaction / combat speed. Similar to a character like Spiderman reacting to and dodging a bullet but not being able to run as fast as a bullet on foot. His combat / speed reactions are far superior to his actual travel speed, even with webs. As with majority of Z characters.

    On Namek SSJ Goku and Frieza fly to Porunga which is not even half of snakeway length. The dragon was close enough for them to visually see it. But it took a handful of panels in manga and a minute and some in anime got them to reach Porunga with their travel speed but by this point in speed reactions they are FTL+ via SSJ multiplier and Frieza transformation boosts

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    These ships can travel FTL in space and post guru boost Krillin + Gohan, Nail, and Zenkai Vegeta reacted to them with ki detect before they landed on Namek

    No Z character at this point Even if they could survive in space, can travel even LS in travel speed

    But tons can react to LS - FTL

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    @rdcdesmond:

    If you agree what was point tagging me. Obviously you did not know difference between travel speed and combat / reaction speed if so why even make a big deal about snakeway traveling feat thinking it is a combat applicable mark. It is only a travel speed feat for him Which has nothing to do with his reaction / combat speed which is far higher than his travel speed.

    Short distances and body movements only pertain to reaction / combat speed. Similar to a character like Spiderman reacting to and dodging a bullet but not being able to run as fast as a bullet on foot. His combat / speed reactions are far superior to his actual travel speed, even with webs. As with majority of Z characters.

    Like I said, there's no real evidence for their reaction/combat speed, so I default to travel speed as a baseline

    but by this point in speed reactions they are FTL+ via SSJ multiplier and Frieza transformation boosts

    Based on what?

    The basis of all your scaling is from boz picollo somehow being relativistic, which is far from true in any way

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    Pretty much established facts

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