Respect the emperor of the universe, lord freeza

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The strongest being in the universe:

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Frieza , also known as Freeza , is the (former) strongest being in the universe. He is the overlord & emperor of a vast galactic empire known as planet trade organization. He is son of king cold, who himself possesses a vast power.

His empire

His rule extends to over 80 and maybe hundreds of planets. These planets are identified by his name and a number. He uses his power of fear and his nearly perfect political skills to rule over the universe. He is the leader and incharge of planet trade organisations, which conquers planets and sells them after exterminating all the life on it.

He was stated to be capable to rule over 70% of the universe.

He has a huge army of thousands of soldiers, even the weakest of whom are strong enough to rival the strongest beings of earth.

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His power:

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  • Even in his weakest form, he starts off as more than 10x stronger than everyone but ginyu out of his forces
  • Vegeta, who was strong enough to trouble the entire galaxy, could've become 10x stronger by transformation, and still be one shot by his weakest form
  • He casually one-shot a planet in his weakest form , which is 10x earth's gravity & not smaller than earth. It'd mean at a bare minimum, this is nearly 3.6 x 10^34 J energy. It is the amount of energy that is produced within sun's core in 3 years!
  • He destroyed namek, a planet much bigger than earth.
  • He is the strongest being in the universe literally, even in his weakest form, from which , he has 4 transformations, and even after all his transformations, he's nowhere near his full power , which he needs to suppress. The only non-godly beings stronger than him, even in his 1st form were:
    • Yakon, from dark dimension (weaker than his true power)
    • King cold (weaker than his true power)
    • Majin buu (was sealed away since 5 million years ago)
  • He was 226x stronger than his 1st form , in actual.
  • Even then, it was not his limit. Born with a power so exceptionally high, he had the potential to become the strongest being in the universe even including super-gods. He trained for 4 months, with no previous knowledge of training, and ended up becoming a threat to the entire UNIVERSE !!!! He achieved this level of power in 4 months, without a teacher , without a sparring partner of comparable strength, and achieved a level of power far greater than SSB, who is far stronger than SSG, who could challenge beerus. Had he trained more, & had a good teacher and sparring partner, he might have surpassed the god of destruction himself , and he did this without any ridiculous zenkai hax, and only one transformation.
  • No scouter has ever survived him in the entire series. Even after his power was outclassed, he was treated as a significant being
    • "The kid who beat even freeza, couldn't fight them"
    • "I also have freeza's cells, so I can survive in space"
    • "We could kill even freeza in one hit, and he killed 4 of us" "AMAZING"
  • He was able to lift hundreds of tons with TK alone, even at 1/40 of his power. (see techniques section), putting him at 10000++ tons worth of casual lifting with TK alone. So, you know what to say when someone says he isn't even 100 tonner.
  • He , at namek , was able to fight the legendary super saiyan , the so called "strongest warrior" evenly AFTER he tanked KK x20 KameHameHa , a spirit bomb from planets and stars energy , a beating from SS when he was still at 50%. (Before his stamina drain)
  • After training, he just pressed earth hard, & it was BOOM! , gone.

Speed:

He , in his weakest form , could travel long distances extremely quickly.

Goku (saiyan saga) traveled 1 million km in 28 hrs.

Speed = 35,714.2 km/h

KK x2 = 71,428.5 km/h

Goku at 23,000 (ginyu goku) PL is obviously faster than goku at 16,000 (KK x2) , and krillin was as fast if not faster than this goku.

Krillin >= 75,000 km/h

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2 hours to go AND come back. So, 1 hour trip >= 75,000 km.

Freeza left for fight just before dende reached krillin.

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And they were in hurry, not wasting any time

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So, in the time freeza reached there, all they did was to dig out DBs & get the two wishes, while in HURRY.

At best, it might have taken 3 minutes, perfectly fitting with how goku needed 40-50 minutes to recover (after put in healing machine) , & his battles were really long.

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This means he crossed OVER 75,000 km in 3 minutes at most.

This puts his speed at over 25,000 km/min , or over 1,500,000 km/h in his weakest form while suppressed.

Yes, suppressed, even in his first form. Here he powers up AFTER his travel.
Yes, suppressed, even in his first form. Here he powers up AFTER his travel.

So, first form freeza's speed (suppressed) exceeds 1,500,000 km/h in long distance travel. Just imagine how fast 100% freeza will be.

His combat speed is MUCH faster. He could do a long, really long fight in 5 minutes. He did an entire fight vs vegeta, krillin , gohan , piccolo , dende in less than 40 minutes.

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At a bare minimum, he was 3x faster than piccolo in his final form, before powering up to his 50%, where he was MORE THAN 20x faster. This means 60x faster than piccolo at least, even at his 50%.

So, freeza is massively FTL in combat speed.

See the last post for detail.

Durability:

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  • His durability, while severely underrated, is one of the best in the entire series
  • He got his tail cut, got blasted by enraged gohan multiple times, by vegeta , got a beating by piccolo , blasted by piccolo in his second form, but he no sold all damage when he transformed
  • He survived a hit from super enraged gohan in his third form
  • He , in his true form, survived the following:
    • Blast & beating from goku, who thought it may severely hurt him , & he was barely damaged.
    • KK x20 kamehameha.
    • Spirit bomb, which "nearly killed" him , by his own words.
    • Beatdown by Super Saiyan goku in his damaged half power state.
    • After he suffered stamina drain, he was easily overpowered by goku & damaged even more.
    • He then got cut in half
    • He then got a blast from angry goku, who thought it is a sure kill blast, but survived
    • He then, nearly dead , survived a planet exploding in his face, with 60% of his body no more
  • Both of times he was killed, he was severely outclassed
    • Vs trunks, he was stated by gohan to be at MUCH lower PL than his namek self. Also, his death was after he was sliced in half, which can be attributed to his mechanical parts too.
    • Vs goku, he was out of his gold form, out of stamina , & really hurt.

Skills and techniques:

1. Flight :

He can fly at incredible speeds, even in first form , exceeding 1,500,000 km/h while suppressed. (see above)

2. Ability to powerup while fighting

He can powerup himself while fighting his opponents.

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He has shown this abilities other times too.

3. Transformation ability :

He can transform to increase his speed and strength multiple times.

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4. He can sense energy attacks (although he can't sense ki)

he feels the presence of destructo disc even when his back was turned on and nearly dodges it.
he feels the presence of destructo disc even when his back was turned on and nearly dodges it.

5. Ability to fire ki blasts

He can fire ki blasts at incredible speeds :

6. Ki suppressing and control

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In final battle vs goku, he was able to tell the exact % of his power "50 , 70 , 75, 80 , 85, 90 , 95 , 100% "

7. The death beam :

He fires a penetrating blast which is thin like a beam but packs more than enough power to kill many "powerhouses". This attack impales the body of opponent with unimaginable power.

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8. Telekinesis

He has one of the most powerful TK in the series, strong enough to actually move superhumans with moon ++ durability, and crush them. It is worth noting that chiatzu and kaioshin have shown "only holding" telekinesis, but freeza has great control over it.

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Here, by goku's size comparison, each rock is atleast 1 cubic metre in size
Here, by goku's size comparison, each rock is atleast 1 cubic metre in size

The lifting strength of this TK can be calculated. For one cubic metre size, density = 2.5 , one rock weights 2.5 tons. So, hundreds of rocks weight 250++ tons. This is 1/40th of his real strength.

So, his 100% strength is casually 10,000 ++ tons with TK alone (lifting).

9. Paralyzing ball

One of the strong attacks of freeza. He uses these moves in desperate situations, and catches his opponents off-guard.

With this attacks, he paralyzes his enemy, and traps them into an energy ball, then Telekinetically controls the ball, humiliating the opponents.

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10. Master in UNARMED combat (literally)

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11. Planet slicing attack :

He can throw attack which can slice everything into half. Hell, it sliced namek planet.

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12. Death ball:

He has created an attack which is capable of destroying an entire planet. How creative!

He used this attack to one-shot the planet which is atleast 10 times heavier & has 10x the gravitational pull of earth.

He was about to use this attack to destroy namek , but got hit by spirit bomb.

He used a low powered version of this attack to set a time-bomb for 5 minutes.

13. Death saucers:

Will cut through everything, literally, even freeza himself.

Will follow you anywhere.

Achievements:

  • He is the only being to kill Mr satan
  • He's the only being who has wiped out all the three races relevant in the story : Saiyans , Namekians , Humans
  • He wiped out planet vegeta, planet namek & planet earth
  • He ruled over 70% of the universe
  • He trained only for four months, and achieved gains so much that it is unbelievable, atleast a trillion times stronger, with one transformation.
  • He trained a dodoria level soldier, and made him stronger than FP PC in 4 months
  • He has killed every namekian except those killed by vegeta , every saiyan except nappa, raditz & goku , every human except roshi, bulma , tien & gohan
  • He is the only person who could order vegeta around to do whatever he wants.
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And most importantly, the intelligence:

  • He realized quickly that the namekians had a secret for DB usage
  • He used his scouters to find namekians & get the DB's
  • He felt like saiyans may rebel against him, so he just destroyed the planet after calling all of them back on their planet
  • Even though he had the power advantage to torture them for eternity, he killed krillin, gohan, vegeta & piccolo quickly (yes, he killed had them if not for dende) , not taking any risk
  • He killed dende as soon as he realized who was responsible for healing
  • He killed vegeta so that no one is potential threat for him.
  • After realizing he may not win the fight, he fired a calculated blast for 5 minutes, so that this is a win-win situation for him, and he wins even if he loses in H2H
  • He decided to kill the earthlings till goku arrived, so that no potential help is available for him
  • He , after being revived , trained so much to beat goku , that he crossed the power of majin buu in his FIRST FORM. It was bad luck that goku & vegeta obtained the power of a SSG. Even then, he had a transformation up his sleeve.
  • Even after so much power, he had a backup in form of sorbet's ring.
  • Even after this, he had his true ace up his sleeve, destroying the planet at the exact moment before he'll die.
  • He is not soft or playing around type person.
  • He can manipulate soft-hearted people.
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#2 Posted by panda_emperorix (3687 posts) - - Show Bio

Good so far. Might need some manga and anime scans though. So people can get a visual representation of his abilities.

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#3 Edited by Omega_kai (3162 posts) - - Show Bio

Why no scans :(

Nice thread though

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#4 Posted by never give up (24994 posts) - - Show Bio

Good so far. Might need some manga and anime scans though. So people can get a visual representation of his abilities.

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#5 Posted by APEX_pretador (20209 posts) - - Show Bio

Combat speed of freeza (minimum) :

Basic points first:

  1. Combat speed = reaction speed >> travel speed
  2. You can't follow someone who's 2x faster than you
  3. Characters get faster when they get stronger (except grade 3 SS)
  4. The speedblitz depends upon the distance in consideration. So, if you can't react to a hit 10 m away, it means you are 5-10 times slower.

Tao pai pai:

He could go 2300 km, kill goku & come back in 30 minutes. So, 15 minutes at MOST.

He uses pillar to travel, but he jumps on the pillar after throwing him. So, his combat / reaction speed >= 2x pillar speed.

Pillar speed (minimum possible speed) = 216 km/min

Tao pai pai (minimum) = 432 km/min.

Goku:

He was able to blitz tao pai pai from about 1-2 m distance. For him to be able to do that, he must have a combat much speed higher than tao pai pai's speed. Tao even complemented his speed, & he was like "how is this even possible". So, at a MINIMUM, goku is 1.2x faster than tao.

Goku = 520 km/min

22nd TB goku:

Roshi was confident in winning the tournament after seeing goku's speed 3 years

ago. So, he must be atleast 10% faster than goku was.

Roshi = 570km/min

He couldn't see goku (vs krillin) >= 1140 km/min

Tien = 1140 km/min

Drum:

He was so fast that tien couldn't see him.

Drum = 2280 km/min

Young daimao:

Goku blitzed drum so fast that the latter couldn't even react.

Goku = 4560 km/min

Piccolo, after seeing this speed, is still confident to beat him without going allout.

Daimao (attacking goku) = 5000 km/min at least

Then goku easily block the hit. Daimao is shocked.

Daimao couldn't even believe goku's speed after a few panels : Goku >= 10,000 km/min

Damiao , since he could see goku's movements, he >= 6000 km/min (at the current moment)

But after that, goku blitzes damiao from like over 10 m away, and daimao can't even react. So, at LEAST, goku is 5 times faster than this damiao

Goku (not all out) >= 30,000 km/min

Daimao powers up, and is close to goku in speed. Damiao (serious) = 25,000 km/min

Daimao goes 100%. Goku has problem with his speed. Daimao >= 48,000 km/min

Goku powers up to his best, and outspeeds piccolo by good margin.

Goku = 60,000 km/min = 1000 km/s

Piccolo = 48,000 km/min = 800 km/s

Popo:

He was so fast that goku couldn't see him.

Popo = 120,000 km/min = 2000 km/s

Kami:

Stated to be incredibly faster and stronger than popo. But since we are taking a minimum, we will assume he is ONLY equal to popo.

Kami = 2000 km/s

23rd TB goku & piccolo

They moved soooo fast that kami couldn't see them with his godly eyes.

Goku & piccolo = 4000 km/s

Raditz:

Now, we just assume that goku & piccolo are same speed as 23rd TB.

Raditz was fast enough to not been seen.

Raditz = 8000 km/s

Trained humans and piccolo:

Saibamen are equal to raditz. So, yamcha is a bit faster than them, putting tien & krillin ahead of them. Piccolo atleast 1.5x his speed, as he was able to blitz saibaman.

Yamcha = 8000 , krillin, tien = 8500

Piccolo = 10,000 km/s

Nappa:

Nappa is shown to be able to easily evade the hits of Z fighters, including piccolo. However, he was not THAT fast that krillin can't follow him.

Nappa = 13,000 km/s

Goku:

He was faster than nappa. Nappa can't land a hit on him.

Goku = 15,000 km/s

Vegeta:

He was faster than KK x2 goku, but slower than a KK x3 goku.

Since KK multiplies speed,

Vegeta = 40,000 km/s

Cui:

He was rival to vegeta.

40,000 km/s

Vegeta:

Cui couldn't follow his movements. He was having trouble.

60,000 km/s

Monster zarbon:

Was so fast that vegeta had no hope against him.

75,000 km/s

Vegeta: (again):

He was atleast even with Zarbon.

75,000 km/s

Butta:

Self proclaimed fastest in universe was moving so fast that vegeta couldn't follow his movement.

150,000 km/s

Goku:

He was faster than butta, a good deal , without KK.

180,000 km/s.

KK x2 = 360,000 km/s

Freeza:

He faced a goku many times more powerful than this one , and was so fast that his 50% was equal to KK x20.

50% = 3,600,000 km/s

100% = 7,200,000 km/s = 24x FTL.

YES!!! MFTL even after lowballing every possible way.

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#6 Posted by APEX_pretador (20209 posts) - - Show Bio

Good so far. Might need some manga and anime scans though. So people can get a visual representation of his abilities.

Why no scans :(

Nice thread though

@panda_emperorix said:

Good so far. Might need some manga and anime scans though. So people can get a visual representation of his abilities.

Check the thread now.

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#8 Posted by zzagirl (1096 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice read.

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#9 Edited by botanix (1282 posts) - - Show Bio

@apex_pretador:

Tao pai pai:

He could go 2300 km, kill goku & come back in 30 minutes. So, 15 minutes at MOST.

He uses pillar to travel, but he jumps on the pillar after throwing him. So, his combat / reaction speed >= 2x pillar speed.

Pillar speed (minimum possible speed) = 216 km/min

Tao pai pai (minimum) = 432 km/min.

Not even close. I already did math for tao, a while ago, here it is:

One day i did some math to determine Tao Pai Pai strength based on him throwing huge pillar.

As You remember, it was aprox 2m size pillar, weighted roughly 200kg. He used it as a shuttle to travel 2500km in less then 15 minutes.

OK here comes the math.

First to determine the speed needed to throw something that heavy, that far, we do this.

z= 2500km=2500000m

cos10=0,984

x = speed in m/s

z=(x2 * cos10) / 10

2500000=(x2 * 0,984) /10

25000000=x2 * 0,984

25000000 / 0,984 = x2

25406504 = x2

x= 5040 m/s

For the pillar to reach 2500km in less then 15 minutes, its initial velocity would have to be at least 5040m/s = 18144km/h...

Also he was able to jump on it after he thrown it so we can assume ( logically ) he jumped with speed greater than 18144km/h so he could reach it after throwing it.

All this does not account for the time he took fighting Goku etc. So the value would be even higher.

You can even calculate how much power would it take to throw something that far with that speed.

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#10 Posted by never give up (24994 posts) - - Show Bio

Thumbs up :)

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#11 Posted by APEX_pretador (20209 posts) - - Show Bio

@botanix: Did you even read my post? it says km/minute , NOT km/h , & later advances to km/s.

432 km/min = 25920 km/h =< tao's reaction speed.

and since this is FREEZA respect thread, not tao , don't calculate his power output.

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#13 Posted by HighAccuser (9696 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza is my fav DB villain. I know he's dead as of Revival, but he should make 1 more Super appearance somehow.

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#14 Posted by zzagirl (1096 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza is my fav DB villain. I know he's dead as of Revival, but he should make 1 more Super appearance somehow.

Why do you think Toriyama made Frost? :D

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#15 Edited by BloodBlunts (614 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza has the power.

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#16 Posted by botanix (1282 posts) - - Show Bio

@apex_pretador said:

@botanix: Did you even read my post? it says km/minute , NOT km/h , & later advances to km/s.

432 km/min = 25920 km/h =< tao's reaction speed.

and since this is FREEZA respect thread, not tao , don't calculate his power output.

Did you even read mine? I wrote pillar's minimum speed is over 18k km/h = 300km/min not tao's reaction speed. I calculated the speed using an acutal formula for it not calculated reaction time but multiplying speed ( which is still not correct ) times 2 ( why exactly times two anyway - this is just an assumption ).

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#17 Posted by APEX_pretador (20209 posts) - - Show Bio

@botanix said:

@apex_pretador said:

@botanix: Did you even read my post? it says km/minute , NOT km/h , & later advances to km/s.

432 km/min = 25920 km/h =< tao's reaction speed.

and since this is FREEZA respect thread, not tao , don't calculate his power output.

Did you even read mine? I wrote pillar's minimum speed is over 18k km/h = 300km/min not tao's reaction speed. I calculated the speed using an acutal formula for it not calculated reaction time but multiplying speed ( which is still not correct ) times 2 ( why exactly times two anyway - this is just an assumption ).

Your assumptions are incorrect.

  1. It was 2300 km
  2. Why you assume 10 degree angle?
  3. Minimum speed reqd to throw something at a long range will be :

V = 1.41 x S/t

V = speed

1.41 = root 2

S = distance

t = time

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#18 Edited by botanix (1282 posts) - - Show Bio

@apex_pretador:

Why you assume 10 degree angle?

Because to me it looked like 10 degrees, why didn't you consider an angle at all? You cant calculate that not considering an angle. Of course the output is not entirely accurate because it maybe more than 10 degrees, this is what it looked like, i did the math for what it looked like.

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It was 2300 km

My bad. Still thats only 10% off, so not that much off.

V = 1.41 x S/t

V = speed

1.41 = root 2

S = distance

t = time

But we do not calculate an optimal value here, we calculate considering what we see. He did seem to throw it at an angle of 10 degrees, so we should do the math for 10 degrees.

Anyway it does not really matter, its difficult / not possible to do the math not having an acutall numbers ( an angle so its more like guessing ). He was +15k km/h for sure, thats what counts.

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#19 Posted by APEX_pretador (20209 posts) - - Show Bio

@botanix said:

@apex_pretador:

Why you assume 10 degree angle?

Because to me it looked like 10 degrees, why didn't you consider an angle at all? You cant calculate that not considering an angle. Of course the output is not entirely accurate because it maybe more than 10 degrees, this is what it looked like, i did the math for what it looked like.

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It was 2300 km

My bad. Still thats only 10% off, so not that much off.

V = 1.41 x S/t

V = speed

1.41 = root 2

S = distance

t = time

But we do not calculate an optimal value here, we calculate considering what we see. He did seem to throw it at an angle of 10 degrees, so we should do the math for 10 degrees.

Anyway it does not really matter, its difficult / not possible to do the math not having an acutall numbers ( an angle so its more like guessing ). He was +15k km/h for sure, thats what counts.

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Definitely NOT 10 degree. Also, since I don't want to give lowballers a chance. So I chose optimum value.

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#20 Posted by APEX_pretador (20209 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss

the speed calculation is a bit of bad but I'll improve it.

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#21 Posted by RukelnikovFTW (6132 posts) - - Show Bio

@apex_pretador: In the list of people stronger than him, you should add Dabura.

Besides that, great post!

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#22 Posted by APEX_pretador (20209 posts) - - Show Bio

@apex_pretador: In the list of people stronger than him, you should add Dabura.

Besides that, great post!

thanks, but Dabura was treated as if he belongs to a different universe (or realm / pocket dimension) by kaioshin

Kaioshin: “Of course…He’s the king of the Dark Demon Realm, after all…One of you people is probably the #1 in this world, but in the other world, the world of demons, Dabra is absolutely on top…”

Kuririn: “Th-the king of the Demon Realm, you say?...There’s a world like that?...S-so he’s probably an incredibly dangerous opponent, right…!?”

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#23 Posted by sooperfly (934 posts) - - Show Bio

imagine if Freiza makes a return again to kill Goku but Future Trunks comes back at the same time and the exact same scenario happens...AGAIN!

hahaha

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#24 Posted by RukelnikovFTW (6132 posts) - - Show Bio

@apex_pretador said:

@rukelnikovftw said:

@apex_pretador: In the list of people stronger than him, you should add Dabura.

Besides that, great post!

thanks, but Dabura was treated as if he belongs to a different universe (or realm / pocket dimension) by kaioshin

Kaioshin: “Of course…He’s the king of the Dark Demon Realm, after all…One of you people is probably the #1 in this world, but in the other world, the world of demons, Dabra is absolutely on top…”

Kuririn: “Th-the king of the Demon Realm, you say?...There’s a world like that?...S-so he’s probably an incredibly dangerous opponent, right…!?”

Oh ok

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