The stage of the tournament of power is made out of Kachi Katchin , which is even more durable than regular katchin . Katchin is the strongest material in U7 . It easily broke the Z sword , which was strong enough to effortlessly cut through a huge boulder .

Goku (in episode 119) was easily destroying Kachi Katchin in base form . Is this a really good feat for him ? Any science experts here to calculate the awesomeness of this feat ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dghsY3qtMhM

Here's the feat if anyone hasn't seen it .

Some things that might be useful/important .

I am not a science expert so some things could be way off the mark .

1) The strongest thing in our universe is a neutron star ? Katchin should be even stronger , and Kachi Katchin even more so .

2) Goku's punches were strong enough to crack the surface few metres away from the impact .

3) Since the stage is a huge thick chunk of katchin , it would take more effort to crack/destroy it .

4) Goku performed this feat while being tired and in base form .

Can anyone calculate how strong Goku's punches were ? And how strong they could be if Goku was using his full power ?

Does that mean that everyone else who fought in the ToP is neutron star level+, because the stage was damaged/ broken apart in literally every fight.

Gokus powerful, but this isn't a good feat.

@phillip33: Considering that its the tournament that decides the fate of universes , it would make sense that every fighter is star level .

It would be ridiculous if a universe's top ten fighters weren't even neutron star level .

@trololololol: So Krillin is star level now? Good to know

@jashugan: Could be . He did hold his own against SSB Goku . It doesn't make much sense , but DBS has been giving huge powerups to anyone .

The feat is incalculable as Katchin is a fictional metal with no clear level of durability.

Who in the tournament hasn't destroyed it by now?

@thedarkpaladin: Pretty much everyone . But you have to remember that all of them are ten of the strongest fighters in their respective universes .

Destroying the stage is a good feat for them , not a bad one for the material .

@seagod: We do know that it is harder than the hardest material in U7 .

Couldn't a rough calculation be done through using the density of a neutron star instead of the metal ?

@trololololol: right so Krillin and roshi are neutron star level? I think I've heard it all now. It does make sense when you take into account that the db universe is relatively weak when compared to other fictional universes.

@phillip33: Krillin and roshi only destroyed a small part of the stage . And also keep in mind that krillin was able to hold his own against SSB Goku who had the power to shake the entire universe .

Several God level (universal) level characters are fighting at the kachi katchin stage . It has to be atleast neutron star level tough to be in as good condition as it is now .

Not to mention the show itself stated that katchin is the strongest material in the universe .

@trololololol: honestly the stage has to have some regenerative properties, because there has been major damage inflicted to it, only for it to seem unscathed from a full shot of the stage the very next episode. But still, neither roshi or Krillin have any impressive destruction feats. The stage is not neutron star level of durability, and a neutron star would be an inaccurate comparison anyway.

@phillip33: The stage survived a fight between 4 Gods of destruction (all 12 in the manga) . It has to have extreme durability . Keep in mind that a just a fight between SSJ God Goku and a massively holding back beerus was threatening the universe's destruction . The stage handled 4 of them (although it was in a bad shape after that) .

As for the regenerative qualities - we don't know . We haven't been told about it so we can only assume.that it doesn't have any .

However we have a clear statement regarding katchin as the universe's strongest material . This should put is above a neutron star of the same size .

Roshi was moon-buster wayyy back in the second arc of the original dragon ball . Considering the stupid powerups they were given (both roshi and krillin holding their own against Goku) , it isn't too farfetched for them to be destroying small parts of the stage .

No. But shattering the ground and creating an AoE is.

Just to clarify, Katchin is the hardest metal in U7 and Katchi Katchin is the hardest metal in the multiverse. It's not the strongest, it's the hardest. And its only the hardest metal, it's not the hardest think overall.

A neutron star is not not made of metal. Metals are atomic in nature, not subatomic.

If you want the difference between something that's strong and something that's hard, look to the difference between diamond and titanium.

This. Its not going to be an impressive feat until we get an idea on how actually durable it is.

Goku almost busting a universe with a punch during Beerus fight is a better feat.

Also withstanding 70 septillion tons in his base while exhausted and being trapped in black hole.

I asume it is more durable than anything we got here on earth so yeah i think it is a good feat considering how strong steel,titanium and other metals are...

Yet you wouldnt say the same if someone were to ask, how durable is adamantium

Destroying the stage isn't impressive since everyone is doing it.

Don't know about that, Boo isn't in despite being stronger than almost half of U7's team. And Goten and Trunks...

@mainjp: Everyone doing it doesn't make it any less impressive. Everyone of them are the strongest fighters in their universe .

@trololololol: with varying levels of power. Half the people in this tournament can be beaten by a base Goku, some can be beaten by Roshi and Krillin and Roshi isn't even in the top 10 of his universe. Kachi Katchin is weak

@jashugan:

Being beaten by a base Goku isn't even close to being a bad feat . Base Goku was powerful enough to fight Beerus without getting overwhelmed .

Krillin and Roshi are definitely one of the strongest fighters in U7 .

On what basis are you calling Katchi kachin weak ? Being destroyed by the best warriors of a universe ? (Some of whom are at universal level power) .

Katchin even survived the battle between 4 Gods of destruction at once . Remember that just two G.O.Ds fighting threatened to destroy both their universes .

Could've sworn I told him that that just now. Goes in one ear and out the other.

It lessens the significance of the feat when everyone and their grandmother can destroy it. All we really know is that it's the hardest metal in the universe. The only way we can quantity that is by comparing it to the hardest metals in the real world that we know of.

@trololololol:

On the basis that Roshi can destroy it and he's not in the top 10 strongest fighters of his verse. Characters as weak as Roshi can destroy and characters as strong as a God of destruction can destroy it. Kachi Katchin isn't tough.

Keep trolling and keep ignoring my comment.

@thedarkpaladin: Everyone and their grandmother ? You are downplaying the feat. All the fighters on the stage are the strongest warriors in their universe .

And since it survived a figh between several GODs , it has to be extremely durable . Just regular katchin easily destroyed the Z sword . The same Z sword that cut a giant boulder in half with no effort at all .

@jashugan: Roshi got much stronger in Super . Goku himself admitted it , and Roshi gave Goku a hard fight . He is way more stronger than he used to be . He is not weak at all .

Yes but... materials like this aren't special even in wuxia...

I could drag out instances of characters under mountian level that could break a plot metal stronger then a plot metal.

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From Yun Che’s side, there suddenly came the heavy sound of sniffing. The originally hungry and despondent little girl stood up with a whoosh, and was sniffing the air with her little nose as if her life depended on it, “It smells so good… smells so good! I can smell something nice to eat? Where is it, where is it, where is it…”

As the girl sniffed the air, the saliva from her mouth overflowed. She sucked it back in heavily, but as soon as she did so, her saliva continued to drip to the floor and she could not stop it. The little girl searched for quite a while, but once her eyes landed on the fractured Dragon Fault, they emitted an extremely bright light.

“Something delicious… something delicious!!”

The little girl screeched with joy and practically bulldozed her way forward, grabbing Dragon Fault. Her extremely bizarre actions caused Yun Che’s face to twitch exaggeratedly, as he said in a powerless voice, “Stop messing around, it’s really very heavy… My… my god!”

After the little girl grabbed Dragon Fault, she immediately stood up and carried Dragon Fault in her arms…

Carried it in her arms!!

Even though Dragon Fault was broken and had lost all its energy and presence, its heavy weight had not changed! Each piece weighed at least ten thousand kilograms! But this girl who would feel tired from walking and even collapse from time to time, she could actually effortlessly pick up a piece of Dragon Fault. And looking at her right now, she did not even break a sweat.

Drip, drip…

Saliva uncontrollably poured from her mouth, causing the body of the sword to become drenched in a blink of an eye. The girl sucked in her saliva, and with eyes flashing with excitement, opened her mouth and bit down on the blade of Dragon Fault.

Crunch!

The place where the girl had bitten down on was missing a large piece. The little girl drummed her cheeks, making loud chewing sounds, as if she was chewing sweets, and with a gulp, she swallowed what she was chewing.

Yun Che looked at the missing portion of Dragon Fault which was outlined by teeth marks and his eyes widened. His entire body becoming a statue, his mouth gaping so widely that one could shove a full-grown yak into it.

for reference the dragonfault itself is a couple of levels above other plot metals.

@trololololol:

Everyone and their grandmother ? You are downplaying the feat. All the fighters on the stage are the strongest warriors in their universe .

Everyone and their grandmother is an idiom used for intances like this. It's basically equivalent to saying just about everyone in the tournament by this point has replicated Goku's feat of destroying the material, which is a fact.

And since it survived a figh between several GODs , it has to be extremely durable . Just regular katchin easily destroyed the Z sword . The same Z sword that cut a giant boulder in half with no effort at all .

The tournament arena itself survived a quick skirmish with the GoDs, just like it's survived the actual so far in the actual tournament. Grand Priest noticed some flaws in the design after the fight between GoDs and reinforced the weak spots of the arena, if I remember right.

@thedarkpaladin:

I know what the idiom means . Its still downplaying . Just because everyone can destroy the metal doesn't mean the material is weak , but that the fighters are very strong . If 10 galactus level characters stomp someone like Thor , it wouldn't mean that Thor is weak . It would mean that those characters are very strong .

And Goku didn't 'just' destroy the material . He did it in amazing conditions .

1) He was injured and tired .

2) He was in Base form.

3) He created an AoE by his punches on the stronger than the strongest metal in the universe .

4) Since the stage is one big chunk of katchin , it is even more impressive .

Keeping these things in mind , it becomes a really good feat for Goku .

So , you're saying that the current arena is even stronger than the one that the GODs fought in ? That just makes it an even better feat .

@trololololol: It's not downplaying at all. You're trying to make this feat an impressive showing for Goku when literally 99% of the ToP combatants have replicated it rather casually. I never called the material weak, so your other statement is frankly irrelevant.

How does that make it a better feat when we have no idea what the amount of force required to break it apart really is? The GoDs casually destroyed portions of it and so did the mortals. The only way to quantity its hardness is to use real-world alloys, which isn't going to help your case much anyway.

@thedarkpaladin: Replicated it rather casually ? Would you care to show these characters punching the ground casually and creating shockwaves and causing AoE attacks ?

And just like I said before , breaking the material is a good feat for the characters , not a bad one for the metal . Every fighter is extremely strong .

We do know that Kachi Katchin is extremely durable . That's why the grand Priest must have made the stage out of it . Not to mention that we have a really good feat of regular Katching breaking the Z sword with ease .

And if you review the fight between the GODs , you could see that several of their strong Ki blasts hit the arena . The stage being fairly well after the fight shows how insanely durable it is . These GODs were on the same league as beerus (who could destroy half a planet by just tapping it , and threaten entire universes when fighting a comparable opponent) .

Also , keep in mind that the stage was improved after the fight , so it should be even tougher now .

@trololololol: Punching the ground? How about the fact that Kale was stepping through it like it was made of snow?

Your entire post fails to address the fact that the feat is essentially unquantifiable. You created the thread asking if it was a good feat, yet you seem to be disappointed by most of the answers. If you already considered it a good feat, why ask the question at all?

@thedarkpaladin: Goku did it in Base. Berserker Kale was someone who destroyed SSB Goku, who was much stronger than SSG Goku who himself was strong universe to threaten the universe .

I am just not seeing convincing reasons . Just because some of the strongest people in the universe (some of whom should be galaxy-universal level) destroying the stage doesn't mean that the material is weak .

That's like saying the Living Tribunal is weak because TOAA and the Presence can defeat him .

Hardly

@trololololol:

She defeated a heavily suppressed SSJB Goku. In addition, she was merely stepping on the material, whereas Goku slammed his fist against the ground.

Once again, I didn't say the material is weak, so that's irrelevant. I'm just not seeing what constitutes an impressive feat for Goku here when all we know is that the material is 'harder' than any metal we know of by an unquantifiable amount.

@thedarkpaladin:

1) Heavily suppressed ? I don't remember the show stating that Goku was holding back ?

2) Again , Goku destroyed it while being tired , out of energy , and in base . Kale did it in berserker form , which should atleast be comparable to SSG , which is far above galaxy level as well .

3) The metal has a feat as well . It survived a battle between 3 Gods of destruction . It's a really good feat for the metal , especially considering that powerful ki blasts from these destroyer Gods hit the stage and it didn't break apart . Battle between 2 Gods threatened 2 universes , and the Kachi Katchin stage managed to survive in a fairly good shape after a fight between these universal level characters .

@trololololol:

The show proves Goku was holding back given the recent events where he schools both Kale and Caulifla--the former of which increased her power according to Tien and Krillin.

And again, he was punching the ground when Kale was just stepping on it. We have no idea how Beserker Kale compares to SSJG and saying she was stepping on it with galaxy level strength requires even more assumption than trying to quantify Goku's feat of punching it.

Certain parts of the stage were destroyed as a result of their battle. How much power they were using at the time is also questionable. Beerus and Champa traded multiple blows with each other on numerous occasions in the anime, yet it fails to destroy the room they are in along with the planet. The destruction is clearly something that happens over time through unknown means.

Except adamantium has numerical values of what it can tank. We can't say a ki blast has say 50 tons of force so it can take that much. DB has consistency issues that make calcs hard to do.

@thedarkpaladin:

Wasn't kale's berserker form was much more powerful than her controlled one ? That's why she was going berserk when controlled form wasn't enough .

Berserker Kale is definitely one of the strongest people in the tournament . She ate a SSB kamehameha like it was nothing . She is way above base Goku , and possibly up there with people like Toppo . Even Vegeta was amazed at her power , and Jiren had to stop medidating to teach her a lesson .

Goku broke the Katchin floor while being tired , out of energy and in base form . Kale did it at full power and in berserker form which is really strong .

Beerus and Champa's fight was beginning to destroy the universe . Whis and Vados had to interfere in order to stop them . And only 3 punches were required from Goku and Beerus to shatter the universe . Goku at that time wasn't even close to a God of Destruction . Battle between 3 characters who are at beerus level would have been multi-universe level . And also , IIRC , UI Goku (or Jiren) shook the world of void by their power . This is an immense feat considering that the world of void is infinite .

I really find this method of calculating Goku's striking power troublesome.

Master Roshi and Krillin being "star" level is ridiculous.

At the same time we should take into account that this show is written for children. Consistency is the last thing they're worried about on this show.

@trololololol:

Pretty sure Caulifla mentioned that she managed to make the power her own during the fight with Goku.

The way each of them went about breaking the tournament ring also needs to be taken into consideration. Kale did it casually while walking foward. Goku slammed his fist against the ground with effort, trying to shake the arena.

Their fight created an unusual, purple ring of Chi that began enveloping the room. It didn't even manage to destroy anything within the room, I might add, and the 2 GoDs were exchanging well over 3 punches. Goku and Beerus generated abnormal shockwaves that became more powerful as they traveled through space--Old Kai even said Goku and Beerus would be destroyed after the third clash. Not sure what this proves regarding the tournament ring, nor do I have the foggiest clue how shaking an empty void is in any way relevant here...

Nothing indicates or even suggest Katchin is "stronger" than neutron star. Katchi is stated to be the strongest material... neutron star is not a material, it's a condensed matter.

@thedarkpaladin:

I don't remember caulifla saying something like that ? Did you mean that controlled Kale = Berserker Kale ?

Yes , Kale did is casually , but was she in base ? was she out of energy? was she tired ? No . She did that while being in her strongest form which no-sold a SSB kamehameha . Goku did that in base and in a bad physical shape .

Pretty sure that purple chi was the same as Beerus destroying Zamasu . It was the start of the universes getting destroyed in the fight between champa and Beerus . And whis and Vados stopping them implied that they indeed would have unleashed chaos by their fights . Not to mention we have several statements and feats which put the Gods easily at universal level+ .

Goku UI (who shooked world which is infinite) took on an even stronger foe (Jiren) , and the stage handled that too fairly well . It's fair to say that the stage is extremely durable.