How fast is he currently?

MFTT - massively faster than time.

Anime version? as fast (and as strong) as the plot requires.

Manga version can be scaled to FTL from ssj Gotenks... which should be the minimum to keep up with a non serious Beerus.

@purpledeadragon: Well, I definitely agree that current Goku should be faster than light based on scaling from Gotenks' feats. The MFTT thing wasn't mean to be serious.

@thedarkpaladin: Do you believe he is Quadrillions x times FTL

@blackgoku: There's not much evidence to support it.

I know it wasn't serious... also, I could't prepare the thread before going back to work... I got distracted by the sequel of the Monkey King movie... I couldn't help it...

Combat Speed - Movement Speed ( Short Distances/Short Bursts )

When Goku and Beerus clashed, the resulting shockwaves traveled across the diameter of the mortal universe (which is ~100 billion light years), across the diameter of the Other World/After Life which is equal to that of the universe's, and across the Kaioshin realm which is stated to be 1/10th the diameter of the universe.

This means the shockwaves traveled over 200 billion light years all within a timeframe of 16 seconds in the episode (from 5:57 to 6:13. Dragon Ball Super Episode 12 )

This is equal to 400 quadrillion times FTL.

Yet Goku and Beerus were shown to be able to accelerate, decelerate, and react before their shockwaves could cross the distance between them during close-combat, which isn't more than a few feet.

???

@thedarkpaladin: How about now? Above?

@purpledeadragon: Hey, you gotta enjoy yourself, first and foremost. Just let me know whenever you make it.

The main problem with using the shockwaves to scale their speed is normal humans on Earth were also able to react to them by turning their heads before they could move few feat:

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They were supposedly becoming stronger with distance, so it's not unthinkable that they were also becoming faster as well.

Still no man, that calc was based on a version of the event animated by Toei, the animators made the waves in a way we could see them.

And even if it were totally intended to be the way you say and were a legit feat, it would contradict his combat speed depicted in the rest of the series, making it a massive outlier.

I mean, if the waves grew in strength they could also increase their speed to reach the rest of the universe, I agree SSJ God Goku should be FTL but not to the extend you are saying.

I'm not sure how this is supposed to be a combat speed feat. Is it because Goku and Beerus are supposed to be moving faster than the shockwaves?

You shouldn't use the shockwaves to try and get a speed feat.

The only one who has shown speed near that is Whis by crossing the universe in a relatively small amount of time (while carrying people). There are varying calcs floating around, most put him between 10-100 quadrillion c, using the size of the observable universe.

At least 10% lightspeed.
No feats exist that put him over lightspeed without Kaioken, and given that we know for a 100% absolute fact that when the angels and Zeno use lightspeed, they leave a rainbow coloured trail, I'd suggest that the only time Goku ever went lightspeed was when he moved inside paused time. Dont know why everyone keeps saying he's MFTL without any proof.

Beerus didn't leave a rainbow trail when he followed Whis to that random planet, and he was traveling at 3/4 of Whis speed so MFTL, so no rainbow is required for MFTL travel

@rukelnikovftw: Episode Number? Dont remember which instance you're talking about, but I'm happy to rescind it if I'm wrong.

Its one of the first 4, before they meet Goku, Beerus asks Whis for some specific food and gives him 3 minutes, Whis goes to a random planet, and Beerus being impatient follows him soon after.

Another instance of MFTL flight without rainbow aura is when Beerus and Champa fight, they are going from planet to planet (MFTL) without said trail.

Fast as the plot and the poor writing allows him to be.

@rukelnikovftw: Are you talking about when Beerus gives Whis 3 minutes to acquire the dinosaur meat

Atleast in trillions light speed range, higher if we use shockwave feat but its iffy. There is not much good speed feats other Whis/Vados ones. If Goku finally become stronger than Whis we could scale from him.

Fast enough to keep up with a suppressed beerus in a fight.

Yeah

Beerus and Champa also have good ones, putting them easily MFTL, but hard to quantify

I just watched it, you dont see Beerus travelling to that planet, he just appears.

Do you see when he arrives?

EDIT: I checked it, we don't see him arriving, that instance doesn't work to prove my point

Anyway, there's also the instance of Beerus fighting Champa, no trail there

"At least several quadrillions of times FTL due to power scaling."

Now if you want a serious answer, then I'll let you know now, if he was FTL then he'd be able to dodge solar flare. The current evidence isn't enough to assume Goku is FTL. However, he is massively hypersonic and has evidence for such feats. He is faster than SSJ3 Gotenks who took several laps around the earth in 29 minutes, so he's at least 810,122.1mph. So Goku is between 810,122.1 mph - 670,600,000 mph. So try to come up with your own head canon from there, because, at this point it's as good as anything else.

(Taken from NemesisReloaded's standardized feat list https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/dragon-ball-universe-1775304/dragonball-universe-standardised-feats-list-1847904/?page=1/ )

My golden rule

Combat Speed vs Travel speed is bullshit. It's an efficient way for authors to create tension when they've realized they've made their character too fast. The funniest thing is, that Authors didn't even come up with that fallacy, because they're not stupid. Calculate it yourself, how quick you can punch or run are only ever 1.15-1.5X faster than each other. This varies from person, to person, however when I took the punching speed of multiple people and their running speed, the multiplier range average (1.15-1.5X) held up, some people's running speed was even faster than their punching speed. I'm not saying this is an accurate test, it's only to prove the point that, Travel Speed and Combat speed aren't as far from each other as everyone likes to say.

Bias much?

I checked it out when it started, i don't give much credit to that thread since most feats are lowballed, this one in particular. I'll admit though nemesis has a better way of lowballing than you, you should check it and learn a thing or three ;)

Fast enough to catch bulets.

Nothing is lowballed in this thread https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/dragon-ball-universe-1775304/dragonball-universe-standardised-feats-list-1847904/?page=1/

Just to let you know, you used the circumference of the Earth in that calc, but Gotenks flew in bigger circles, also, you counted it like 29 minutes, but he didn't started moving right after fusing, people had a short conversation first in the lookout, and then you assume Piccolo arrived instantly after Gotenks stopped, and we know that's not the case... also, try to stick with the manga, where we can see the trails of his aura, and we know those trails don't last long.

Speed of light

Faster than time

slower than superman thats for sure.

@lpnq: In terms of combat?

@rukelnikovftw: Lmao. "I don't like this thread because I think Goku is a faster than time multiverse buster" He didn't lowball whatsoever, he used math and common sense to come to reasonable calculations as to how fast characters are moving. The one calc I don't agree with is the "Goku is FTL during his fight with Hit." I covered the reasons why in my "People who use time-skip as a speed feat."

@purpledeadragon:

1. Don't be an ass about that. That has to do with how drawings and panels work. Toriyama wanted to convey that Gotenks was moving around the earth, if he drew the circles closer to the earth, it would have overlapped with the other drawing (earth) and looked terrible. That's clearly due to manga limitations.

2. No we don't. That's the point, we can't tell how fast someone is moving just from a manga panel. It's a static image, unless the author specifically states how fast the character is moving, or implies it in an obvious way, such as a character catching up to a car that's said to be moving at mach 2, then there's no way of knowing that. Stop trying to use the manga to skew a characters speed, it's common sense that an anime would be more reliable than a manga when it comes to the speed of events that take place.

3. Lmao. The conversation took a maximum of 10 seconds, that's not enough to skew the measurements at all.

it was a joke

Nope

@trebuchetcanthrow90kilogramsof: @thedarkpaladin: hey man, can you check And tell me your opinion on his arguments, I would do it but I am working and my break is almost over.

Edit: I will reply when I get home

@rukelnikovftw: Sick argument bro.

Ty

@lpnq: Actually, joke or not. You're right.

this

Are you talking about the manga or the anime, because I can't find the instance you're talking about. I know it's in the manga, but I cant find it in the anime. In the manga, he two skip between the moons of a planet somewhere. The moons are fairly close together, there's no evidence here of FTL movement. But the anime could be different, but I cant find it.

And while I know you think I'm a lowballer, I consider myself realistic, and rely on evidence.